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In the movie Mememto, did Jimmy actually say “Sammy”? Or was that Lenny’s hallucination?

MASSIVE SPOILER! Do not read if you haven’t watched the movie Mememto (2000) directed by Christopher Nolan. Story was written by his brother Jonathan Nolan. This is the third time I’ve watched it.

Near the end of the movie when Leonard was dragging Jimmy’s body down the stairs, Jimmy whispered “Sammy”.

If Jimmy was dead, how did he whisper a word? It is possible he just passed out and whispered one word before he lost consciousness again. But that’s kinda weird. If that’s the case how the heck did he know about Sammy? According to Teddy (who’s a big liar), Teddy said the hotel front desk guy called Jimmy and told Jimmy about Leonard. So that implies Leonard told the front desk guy about Sammy Jenkins and front desk guy told Jimmy? That’s kinda weird the front desk guy would share so many details with Jimmy.

Another possibility, Jimmy knew Leonard personally and might’ve even be friends with him. When Jimmy first met Leonard in the abandoned house, he looked as if he recognized him. Jimmy immediately called Leonard “the memory man”. So maybe they were friends and Leonard told Jimmy about Sammy Jenkins.

If dead Jimmy didn’t whisper “Sammy” we wouldn’t get the ending of the movie. It was because he whispered “Sammy” that made Leonard realize Jimmy wasn’t the real John G and that Teddy was manipulating him into killing the wrong man.

So, did Jimmy actually whisper “Sammy” or was that all in Leonard’s head?

Nolan brothers always trying to mess with our heads hahaha

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2024/04/29
06:02 UTC

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Timeline issue in T2: Judgement Day

Here's something I noticed in watching this film tonight: Supposedly the movie is set in 1995, and Judgement Day is supposed to be August 29th, 1997. Sarah asks Arnie how Cyberdyne came to be as powerful as they are at the time of Judgement Day, and Arnie explains that "in a few months" Dyson will create a revolutionary type of microprocessor, and "In 3 years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14am ET, August 29th. In the panic, they try to pull the plug."

If the movie is SET IN 1995, and Dyson is still a few months away from creating the "revolutionary type of microprocessor" and we're also.... either 3 years away at this time - or once the microprocessor is made we're 3 years away - from Cyberdyne becoming the largest supplier of military computer systems..... .... wouldn't Judgement Day be too soon for this all to fit together?

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2024/04/28
11:38 UTC

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Kung Fu Panda 4

How on earth did the chameleon copy Po's moves? Doesn't she have to suck the ability out of his soul so that he can't fight anymore? She says it herself, she can't take an appearance and just fight like them. This had me confused.

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2024/04/28
01:14 UTC

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Knee Deep, Zac Brown Band

Wishing I was knee deep in the water somewhere

Got the blue sky breeze and it don't seem fair
Only worry in the world is the tide gonna reach my chair

If you're knee deep in the water, the tide has already reached your chair.

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2024/04/26
05:07 UTC

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Question about the first Shrek film

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2024/04/25
10:12 UTC

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The Little Mermaid breathing underwater?

She has the upper body of a woman. How can she breathe (and talk, for that matter), with a human’s respiratory system?

21 Comments
2024/04/25
04:35 UTC

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In the Ted movies and streaming show, how does Ted get drunk and high?

He's a teddy bear who came to life, so he has no bloodstream, which is essential for carrying alcohol and THC. His body is just stuffing which can't absorb or be impacted by those substances. There's really no reason for him to be drinking and smoking, and especially not having the same effects they have on a human.

27 Comments
2024/04/24
22:56 UTC

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The explanation for the Matrix makes no sense.

The explanation for why they are all in a simulation is so that the robots can harvest the humans’ energy. However, this begs 2 massive questions:

  1. Where are they getting the food to grow the humans if all plants died due to lack of sunlight?

  2. It is a basic law of nature that the higher up the food chain, the more biomass is lost, so the more the animals need to consume to survive (eg. a lion may need 1/2 a gazelle a day, but a gazelle only needs a fraction of that mass in grass). This is due to the digestion process requiring energy, as well as not all biomass being digested, and some energy going to the brain to function and the heart to beat.

This means that the robots would be much better off using the energy from the biomass they are feeding the humans, rather than just eating the humans.

28 Comments
2024/04/24
15:22 UTC

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Barbie Princess Charm School

I'm confused about Dame Devin.

It was revealed that she was also a lottery girl and graduated as a lady royal.

But the point of being a lottery girl is that a commoner gets the chance to go to school.

BUT Dame Devin shouldn't be a commoner, because Queen Isabella was her sister in law, which meant that her bother was King Reginald.

How can she be a commoner when her brother is a king?

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2024/04/23
20:08 UTC

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The Last of Us 2 How did Abby know about Joel?

Like how did she even know his last name? He wasn’t famous among the fireflies, and they didn’t really know anything about him. The only thing that was known was that he was a smuggler taking the immune girl to Salt Lake City. The flashback where it’s revealed that Joel killed her dad she only heard Marlene say his name, but that’s not really enough to narrow anything down. And she just managed to somehow get a tip about his brother Tommy

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2024/04/23
18:48 UTC

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Shouldnt future versions of BTTF characters know exactly what the past version of themselves are doing?

Hi I just rewatched Back to the future 2. Theres a scene where Jennifer sees her other self and they are both shocked and pass out. I was thinking shouldnt the future old Jennifer know that her younger self is in the house at that moment and know not to go in because she wouldve experienced everything her younger self is doing at that moment. Old jennifer should be morphing and changing while young jennifer learns new stuff about the future.

Docs one makes sense because its old doc that intercepts young doc. But with marty its the same issue where old marty should know that young marty is there. As I am writing this im realising a bigger issue here. How is old marty and jennifer even here at all? They shouldnt be able to be there because the young versions time travelled to the future and didnt experience anything for 30 years. They shouldve just vanished.

These films hurt my head with how many issues there are with the time travel but theyre still super good lol.

25 Comments
2024/04/21
21:28 UTC

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Fallout TV Series - Plot Hole Episode 1

Hi everyone, I hope I am not to late for party. Just finished watching Fallout and was wondering why Overseer McLean fell for the raiders Trojan Horse attack. Is Valt 31 really giving the other Overseers so little information, that McLean didn't know that Vault 32 was completely dead for two years? Or am I missing something?

17 Comments
2024/04/21
19:24 UTC

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Just recently rewatched Recess and this has been bugging me

The entire premise of the Thanksgiving episode depends on the Ashleys not being in TJ's class. The classes are competing to see who can collect the most cans and TJ's class is trying hard to beat the Ashleys, who always win.

In all other episodes, the Ashleys are in TJ's class. They're there when the class fixes an old bus. They're among those TJ gives valentines too. They're there when the pageant guy comes and announces the pageant contestants. They're always in Miss Grotke's classroom in every class scene.

5 Comments
2024/04/19
13:13 UTC

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Vault-Tec makes no sense as a company (Fallout)

I've had this plot hole kicking around in my head for a while, but watching the new Amazon show brought it to the forefront of my mind, so here it is: Vault-Tec is an idiotic company that makes no sense.

So, for the uninitiated, in the world of Fallout, Vault-Tec is an American private corporation that managed to win federal government grants to build underground bunkers that would house and protect the citizens of the United States in case of nuclear war. At least 118 of these vaults were constructed around the country, and when the bombs fell in 2077, thousands of Americans piled in to their salvation... SIKE!

Actually, a vast majority of the vaults were designed to treat its inhabitants as guinea pigs in grand convoluted experiments designed to gather data on its inhabitants. A small subset of "Control" vaults acted as normal, but most others had sadistic plans in place, from cloning experiments to water shortages to cryogenic stasis to cruel social experiments. All of this in service of collecting data so that... so Vault-Tec could... the government would... uhhhhh...

Yeah, once you start to think about it, what WAS Vault-Tec/the US Government even planning to do with all this data? While on paper one could argue that social, medical and scientific experiments done on humans could be incredibly valuable, all of that kind of falls to shit when you realize that the only way these vaults would get used in the first place was in case of a nuclear apocalypse. Meaning that there really wouldn't be anyone left to actually utilize the data.

Oh, sure, the Government had their own underground bunkers for politicians and scientists. They probably planned to use that data to help them rebuild the world... but, uh, that whole repopulation plan was going to be pretty difficult without, ya know, people. And since most of the vault experiments were designed in a way to inevitably fail and kill the inhabitants, the actual number of people left to rebuild the world and make use of that data is practically non-existent.

We can even do some math on this. Of the 36 canon vaults that we've actually seen/know about from the games and TV show, only 4 were control vault. If we extrapolate this, we can assume that ~11% of the vaults in America were control vaults. I'll even bump that up to 15% to be generous.

We also have a rough idea of how many vaults there were in the country. It seems like vaults were numbered based on where they were located with the lower numbers on the west coast and the higher numbers on the east coast. Since the highest numbered vault we know of was 118 located in Maine, it's pretty safe to assume that there weren't too many vaults beyond that. But just to be safe, let's call it 150 vaults.

We also know that each vault didn't have a ton of people. Vaults generally held a few hundred people, but could have less than 100 as well. Let's just be generous again and say that each vault held 500 people.

So, taking all that math into consideration, Our generous estimation for how many people would emerge from the Vaults is... 11,250. An absolutely paltry sum the would be thinly spread across the country with little means of transportation and communication. If the people in the vaults really were the only people to survive the apocalypse, humanity would be goddamn doomed. And if you use more realistic numbers, the actual number of people left for Reclamation Day could be less than 3,000.

Vault-Tec is basically throwing people into the meat grinder for the express purpose of making humanity less likely to be able to bounce back after a nuclear apocalypse. Basically, a villain being evil for the sake of being evil. It would have been more easier, cheaper, practical, and useful to just build the vaults to do what they were advertised to do.

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2024/04/17
06:56 UTC

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The Office - Angela’s & Dwight’s baby

The DNA test came out negative. Then, voila, Dwight is the father. DNA test being wrong would be a weak explanation. What happened?

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2024/04/16
22:39 UTC

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National Treasure (2004) dialogue error that lives rent-free in my head

I have not seen this movie for 15 years or so and I am not even a native English speaker but this dialogue did not sit well with me, and I would like an explanation if it was a plot hole or not:

After Nicholas Cage finds the message “The secret lies in Charlotte” he parts ways with his father. Later he finds the ship named “Charlotte” so when he reunites with his father the following dialogue takes place:

  • We found the Charlotte!
  • THE Charlotte? You mean she was a ship?

How did he reach to that conclusion from the use of a definitive article? Why not a river, a newspaper, or something completely unique?

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2024/04/16
08:40 UTC

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3 Body Problem - the ship attack "solution"

A lot of other issues with the plot, but this one REALLY bugs me and doesn't get a pass in my opinion.

Disclaimer: I watched the series not in English, so if there's a chance they somehow explain this, my bad, but I really doubt it.

When the characters discuss the need to raid the ship and retrieve the San Ti data, they talk about how it needs to be discreet and with little firepower to avoid damaging the database. Pretty logical so far. So how can COMPLETELY DESTROYING THE ENTIRE VESSEL count as the safest way?

I mean I get why they wanted to do it this way from the story standpoint - they wanted to have a reason for Augie to reboot the nano-fiber project, feel bad for doing something for the organisation and then try to do something good, like she did with the water filters and sails. But the ship cutting is just so stupid and makes no sense:

  • The hard drive would've been cut easily and is only safe due to plot armor
  • Everyone on the ship were in the state of panic, I get it, but someone would definitely be able to escape, considering the speed at which the net was going
  • I know they portray the organisation as the ruthless "whatever the cost" type, but would they really simply kill everyone on board just like that? What about potential sources of information, in case there are other bases? Or maybe someone knew the whereabouts of the other San Ti worshippers around the world?

This is especially baffling since Da Shi actually proposes other options, like aerial strikes and gas. And I objectively see no difference between these options and the fiber net. Yet they said something along the lines of "It's the only way" several times.

EDIT: Thank you very much for the replies. The precision of the cut definitely makes a good argument, so now it's less of an overall gripe, and more "please explain your story better" issue. Especially considering how it is already explained better in the book. Hopefully they improve in the future seasons, if those get approved.

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2024/04/16
05:45 UTC

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Fallout TV Show - Major Plot point in Episode 8

!So in the last episode, we find out that The Ghoul's ex-wife was pretty ghoulish in her plots and apparently all the other big CEOs of the Robco, Reppcon, BIG MT were intrigued by Bud Askins' plan.!<

!The main thrust of it is that there is no way to ensure results that people will buy into the vaults if peace talks continued but that's when the ex-wife states that they could set off nuclear bombs themselves. Now, this makes no sense at all. If the bombs go off, there isn't even enough time to sell vaults! How would that even work?!<

!Not to mention that the plan to cultivate the perfect is utterly ridiculous, none of the big company owners will be around to reap the financial and societal rewards in an irradiated wasteland.!<

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2024/04/16
00:18 UTC

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Fallout TV Show - Major Plot point in Episode 3 isn’t mentioned after it.

The Water Chip in vault 33 breaking. The guy says they will run out of water in a couple months.

Later on the Vault 33 population moves half the people to Vault 32. But there are still people in Vault 33 left behind… in a doomed vault…

There is no discussion of how they are going to fix the situation.

Note: Vault 32 was a possible option when the water chip was broken in the first place. But they still said they were doomed.

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2024/04/15
19:49 UTC

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In Harry Potter how could the Basilisk have been getting around the school just by “using the plumbing?”

Even if it’s been traveling through the pipes inside the school walls, where exactly would it be sticking its head out for the people to end up petrified? Especially Hermione in the library. Why would there be a sewer opening there, and how did it get unnoticed? It’s unlikely that she would even be in the library alone.

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2024/04/15
06:20 UTC

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Fallout TV series - why kidnap Overseer Maclean at all?

Just got done watching the Fallout TV series. While I enjoyed it overall - it's well-cast, looks good and deals with some interesting and timely themes - I feel there is a pretty major plot hole that renders the entire main plot basically pointless.

My question is this: Why did Moldaver need to kidnap Overseer Maclean at all?

The denoument offers this by way of a reason: Moldaver was relying on the fact that a father's guilt at having lied to and disappointed his daughter would have been impetus enough for him to give up the code needed to activate the cold fusion module.

Not only does this seem a little maudlin, implausible and cheesy, there would also have been far simpler means for the NCR to attain this code.

They could have first focused on getting hold of the cold fusion module, and once they had that, then gone ahead with their plan to get the code needed to activate it.

Having broken into Vault 33, instead of kidnapping the Overseer - why not simply torture him right then and then until he gave up the code? They might have used his daughter, who we know from the series' climax, he seems to genuinely love, as leverage. Or, if Moldaver thought revealing the dark truth behind Vault Tec to the Overseer's daughter would push him to give up the code, why not just tell her (and all the other vault dwellers in 33) at this moment?

And if, upon being tortured, Overseer Maclean didn't give up the information even if they threatened to or even killed his daughter? Well, then just kill him. They could have used Overseer Maclean's wife's pip boy to access Vault 31, where they are aware they would find a multitude of individuals who would also have been privy to this code, each having been ordained by Vault-Tec in the past as potential rulers of civilisation at its new dawn. Moldaver knows the entirety of Vault-Tec's ruthless, immoral and monopolistic machinations, and the climax reveals she knows all about Vault 31.

Once they'd obtained the code, they could have simply transmitted it to someone standing by the machine where the cold fusion module was already in place, and bingo. There was no need to have the person who was privy to the code in the same room as the machine into which the code had to be entered, hence no need for the kidnap plot at all.

I feel like the writers may have even been aware of this plot hole and attempted to cover their asses in the following ways:

a) In the scene where The Ghoul uses Lucy as bait for the gulper, he claims that "torture doesn't work". However, he doesn't really explain why, and I think there are some strong counter-arguments to be made here. It depends on who's being tortured and what's at stake.

b) They seemed to make efforts to suggest that telecommunications was scarce tech in the wasteland. Only the Brotherhood really seem to use it, and the squire assigned to Maximus when he's posing as Titus needs to get to a radio tower to contact the brotherhood at one point. However, it seems like the New California Republic, which after all was led by a science genius, would have been able to develop, or at least, using their vast armouries, have stolen this tech from the brotherhood.

You could argue, I suppose, that Moldaver 'knew' Lucy would bring the cold fusion module to them because of her curiosity and love of her father, but I don't buy it. It would be too high-risk a course of action to take, even if Moldaver did (inexplicably, having never met Lucy before she kidnapped her father) perceive both a unique curiosity and a tenacity in her, as well as an indomitable devotion to her father.

But why rely on a wet-behind-the-ears vault dweller to deliver the payload needed to accomplish the NCR's noble mission, when they were better equipped and skilled to get a hold of it themselves?

I feel like it's the Eagles in Lord of the Rings all over again - a whole-ass quest that could have been easily avoided by taking the path of least resistance to the goal at hand, using resources we know are available to the characters in this fictional world.

38 Comments
2024/04/13
22:36 UTC

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Mission Impossible: Fallout plot hole

The trade itself makes no sense.

1: Apostles have plutonium, and want Lane. 2: Widow has men who already have the intel, tools, and plan to extract Lane. 3: Lark... wants plutonium.

What does Widow get out of this? What do her men get out of this? "The seller isnt interested in money", so, what, did Apostles pay Widow's men to extract Lane? Then why also put up the plutonium to another party at all?

Lark is an uneccessary middle man.

8 Comments
2024/04/13
00:58 UTC

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Oblivion (2013) ending plot hole

Warning: contains spoilers for one of the final twists of the 2013 movie 'Oblivion', starring Tom Cruise.

Just watched this movie again, and while I love it, I noticed a potential plot hole that I just can't seem to find any discussion about.

On Jack's trip up to the Tet, Sally asks him about the second passenger in his ship. Jack states that it's Julia Rusakova. This is a lie, and Sally seems to accept Jack at his word. Only a few minutes later, Jack says he feels bad about his insubordinate behaviour, and Sally says:

"Voice analysis indicates you are lying to me, Jack."

So Sally can detect lies through vocal analysis? But she still lets Jack inside the Tet after seemingly not catching his lie about Julia being on board? Sally later expresses surprise when Beech emerges from the pod, indicating that she genuinely didn't know it wasn't Julia, and thus indicating that she did actually believe Jack's lie.

So if Sally has a lie detector, what explains this inconsistency?

It seems like such a clear plot hole, but the fact nobody seems to have mentioned it when discussing this film makes me think there's an explanation.

9 Comments
2024/04/12
23:29 UTC

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One Direction - What Makes You Beautiful centers around a logical contradiction

So in this song about a romantic interest who is unaware of their own beauty, halfway through the chorus we get the line:

'you don't know your beautiful'

While the following lines go:

"If only you saw what I could see, You'd understand why I want you so desperately"

However, they round off the chorus by singing:

"you don't know you're beautiful, That's what makes you beautiful."

But this creates a clear logical contradiction, as if the love interest saw what the singer could see, she would see that she was beautiful; however, as her beauty is attributed to the very fact that she is unaware of that same beauty, the entire meaning collapses and descends into absurdity.

21 Comments
2024/04/11
16:37 UTC

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MindF*ck Series bt S.T. Abby

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2024/04/11
14:39 UTC

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Rogue One Plot Hole Question

Given the advanced capabilities (from their star destroyer likely orbiting geosynchronously) of the empire, how were they not able to track Jyn in the opening sequence?

13 Comments
2024/04/10
00:08 UTC

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Question about the Beautiful Mind

If John Nash believed that the razzians were using the American newspapers to send coded messages to their agents on the ground, wouldn't that mean that the owners of those newspapers also work for razzians? I mean how the razzians would be able to insert their messages into text otherwise, without the collaboration of the owners of those same newspapers?

So after realizing that, wouldn't he be supposed to demand his imaginary boss to investigate the owners of the newspapers?

But for some reason he doesnt get to that realization, even though an intelligent person as him should.

13 Comments
2024/04/09
14:21 UTC

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I’ve been trying to find legitimate plot holes in BB and BCS, and I came across this on some website, it’s not a plot hole. Here’s why:

#From the website:

“Tuco Claims To Be The Only Drug Distributor… But There’s Gus

While Tuco isn't one of the smartest Breaking Bad villains, he is one of the most ruthless ones, and he proves that early in season 1 by mercilessly assaulting Jesse and warning him that no one moves crystal meth in Albuquerque but him. Redditor allthishardcore comments: “All this despite, you know, Gus.”

Gus Fring shows up in the series later than Tuco, but he had been in the drug business for a long time and was even more established than the Juarez cartel member. Though not a member, Gus was also an associate of the Juarez cartel hence it’s unlikely that Tuco didn’t know about the other major drug distributor in the state. A possible explanation for this plot hole is that by the time Tuco made these claims, the writers still had no plan to introduce a character named Gus.”

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Here’s why it’s not a plot hole:

Tuco specifically says “No one moves crystal in the South Valley but me, BITCH!”. This is just one small portion of the greater Albuquerque area. Also, in BCS, Gustavo, Don Juan, Hector Salamanca, and Don Eladio have a meeting, wherein it’s announced that “the South Valley will remain Salamanca territory” and this all takes place long before Tuco, Walter, and Jesse meet. ALSO… we know from what Saul said, and Gus’s distribution network, he has a tendency to ship much of his product elsewhere.

14 Comments
2024/04/09
11:59 UTC

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