When reading and thinking about these sorts of ideas I often feel like a hypocrite since I am in my home, on my computer, etc.

I am wondering how you all deal with these feelings if you have them. Also if I do end up moving into a "cabin in the woods" at some point like I have wanted to, I would still want to have a computer, access to modern medicine etc. But this feels partially anthropocentric still.

Am I misinterpreting many of these ideas? I cannot full tell if they are a call to full go back to hunter-gatherers or not. Even if not, saying the good things about those periods makes me feel hypocritical. Is there something I am missing?

Orthodox Christian here. I'm curious about similarities between anarcho-primitivism and Orthodox asceticism, particularly the concept of 'Death to the World.' In Orthodox practice, 'Death to the World' represents an almost radical (in the eyes of others) of worldly values, materialism, and societal norms in favor of spiritual growth. The way I would descrive it is essentially 'dying' to worldly passions and desires to become fully alive in Christ. Do anarcho-primitivists see any similarities between their critique of civilization and technology and this ascetic practice? Both seem to advocate for a rejection of modern societal structures and a return to a simpler way of life. How might anarcho-primitivists view this spiritual rebellion against materialism (which is caused by industrialisation) in relation to their own anti-industrial and anti-technological stance? I'm really interested in how both philosophies approach the idea of rejecting modern comforts and embracing a more austere lifestyle, albeit for different reasons. Could the Orthodox concept of finding freedom through detachment from worldly pleasures sort of resonate with anarcho-primitivist ideals of liberation from technological dependence?

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I'm feeling tired of seeing nature in cities and really all over the country being sold off and being destroyed by government with neatless waste of spending. I don't know if I feel like my ancestors land is being sold off like it's nothing to people. Like they don't see what the value of beauty of this country like my people did and I feel like it's going to get a lot worse now.

I own 25 acres of land on my people's reservation. I feel like even though greed is taking over this country. I take solace in the fact that I can at least have my what feels like to me my own oasis. Feels like I'm part doing my part to preserve what I can. I live on well water with forested hills and a river I feel like I'm doing my part of living in the land and preserving my family's legacy and my people's legacy.

It feels like I'm rambling but I don't know if I'm trying to prepare myself for the day where in two more generations trees won't be a common thing anymore. I've been reading about this ideology I feel like what I'm feeling about the decline of nature and wildlife is at the point of no return due to greed and corporate America. I want to know if anyone else is tired of this decline were at and for humanity's reliance on technology is the point we're were basically batteries for the corporate machine. Everyone talking about AI and neurolink and willing to be controlled like that and what that in every say life. I miss the times we're tech wasn't a necessity and people can step back and stand up for the future of humanity and the preservation of the world cause we serve more of a purpose to the land than the greed of humans.

These are the things that eat away at me when I preach the idea of going back to nature and living as we once did.

How do you approach these? Is it that civilization itself is the cause of the disease and suffering that we have to solve through modern advancements?

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It's been a long time away.... If you excuse my absence, I would rather go on to say I am now in pursuit of an Enviromental Studies degree. All things considered, I feel this is the best platform for me to effect any worthwhile change. Leaning from my primitives roots and being so inclined, I came across the Earth Liberation Front Documentary: If a Tree Falls and couldn't help be notice the time period and Eugene activities must have intersected with John Zerzan and very likely an prim members. I mean, where else would a pool of fitting members be drawn from in such close proximity?... it seems impossibly difficult should one be so clueless as to miss the proverbial mark of this reasoning.... (This will probably give way to follow-up research, so please provide sources if you have any!)

Also, the time periods line up quite agreeably. The Earth Liberation Front hayday was around the early 2000s if I'm not mistaken. Where would be a good point to start my research? Are any other good documentaries far as beneficial 'monkeywrenching'? Where do you feel ELF sabotage has failed/succeeded? Is this ever the right approach? I couldn't help but feel some of their actions might have worsened our plight rather than offset it. These matters become even more tricky to navigate since ALL our resources, even the best of our reasoning and mental health are drawn from, as all matters which pertain to us rely on the preclusivity so defined and made possible by the all encompassing "E" word. So our resources are finite and dwindling as these flagrant offenses are continued as their impacts weigh heavily on our mental health, and so it takes on a new form as it become a limited resource in its own right.

I really want to know of any critiques from an AnPrim perspective. Again, my goal is to utilize my future training in Environmental Studies to effect the most worthwhile change as far as sustainability ecology and conservation are concerned. Yall know what I mean if you dont then the forest is Truly Lost for the the trees (please pardon the pun!) If of All groups you don't know that it's all about our love for such things then I'm really devasted and alone... anyways, what can I glean and hope to use in the future, both near distant at hand or somewhere on the relevant time spectrum?

Though I'm not currently protecting the final frontier out west, but rather in Chicago, I'd like to point out, as a reminder that we're all connected (even if it is only to justify my own actions and substantiate and so satisfy my ethical angle). While sustainability and environmentally friendly practices can still be upheld or practiced here, so that natural resources might remain somewhat intact, it is most realistically where I will remain since there is much work to do. Reasonably, I can expect the next steps of my life's journey to be geared around work, which consists of putting environmental restrictions and limitations on "developmental" projects as viable options for the least destructive outcomes. I think in scope and scale, as it concerns society, we might hope to avert, or at least stay some environmental havoc long enough to breed more sustainability. Not to get to carried away so the point is totally lost... I am glad to be back and doing something community oriented with my time. I know my re-emergence will bring about new life by one means or another. This just so happens to be where I'm at now....

LIFE MOST GO ON EVEN IF I HAVE TO MAKE DEALS WITH THE DEVIL TO GET THERE!

Most fantasy worlds are set on primitive worlds where modern industrial society doesn't exist, places like Skyrim or Lord of the Rings.

I have already seen a person saying how they wish to live in a world which was just as beautiful as Skyrim, that's of course kind of ridiculous because we already live in a way better place, but people are so poisoned by their modern surrouding that it basically destroys their perception of the world, almost like they never really actually lived even though they exist on this planet for decades already.

And of course there are also people who say that they wish to live in a fantasy world because our world is "boring", some people say that is because in our reality there are no "dragons" or other magical beings, but for me this is just a superficial analysis, the real reason is that people want a natural life, our world (nature) is already fantastic and more beautiful than anything that some human author can imagine.

Other thing that is odd is that until some centuries ago literature seemed to be pretty much set on our planet and there was no need to imagine other worlds totally different from ours, but nowadays more and more literature is pretty much set on totally fictional places without any kind of connection to our real world. Probably because of our expansion of our modern society and destruction of the planet, so it gets harder and harder to imagine something fantastic, magical, beautiful and full of adventure happening in our reality.

Don't support electoral politics. No change will come from choosing between two candidates who support the same system. Any difference between them is nothing but an illusion. Both anarchists and primitivist reject voting.

Instead of voting, keep preparing for the bigger thing. It's immoral to participate in this failed system.

I own 17 acres of river-access land in rural Maine. While that's not really enough land to support a community, it is adjacent to thousands of miles of timber company land which is open to the public to travel, hunt, fish, forage, or sleep on. The only issue is you aren't allowed to take down any trees on timber company land, which in the boreal forest is a death sentance - which is where my patch of land comes in.

If a group of people wanted to come together to form a primitive community, I'd be willing to open up my riverside land so that they could take firewood and build some sort of longhouse or something to stay in through the winters, and the rest of the year they spread out among the rivers through the logging lands gathering food. It's sort of a half measure to a completely primitive lifestyle, but it's a step in the right direction.

We all know how immediate our predicament is. AMOC collapse has put a definite lifespan on civilization and very soon we will be forced to live without it. What skills and organizations do we need to build in the time we have to make sure we stand a chance of surviving through it? Of course this will vary depending on your immediate environment so feel free to bring up regionally focused strategies.

is anyone trying it out?

Hello very much,
Lately, I’ve been feeling overwhelmed by the fast pace of modern life/technology. I find myself drawn to the idea of living more like people did in the past—settling down, growing food, and disconnecting from all the distractions. I know it's not really possible to fully live like that today, but the idea is really appealing to me.

I wanted to ask if this sub is the right place to explore these ideas, and if anyone has any book or recourse recommendations or sources to get me started on this journey. Any advice or thoughts would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Obviously these are speculations only and there is no way to profess anything for sure, which is also mentioned by Kaczynski as he talks about how things never go the way people want to but become somewhat a combination of will forces (cant find the exact fragment right now but its in Anti-tech revolution: why and how). Let's daydream and think about the steps of it. Comment your ideas and I shall do it aswell once I finish thinking.

The idea came to me from thinking about how unlikely it is for everything to go the right way so that technology would actually become a thing of the past completely and universally.

Multiple times I have tried to explain the estrangement of people from nature in the current societal climate, to people I am affiliated with. These conversations come up organically and I eloquently explain the principles of the anprim worldview. This is usually met with a STRONG response, commonly consisting of 1. Denial of the environmental havoc we are wreaking upon the planet 2. An ignorant perspective of primitive life and the belief we are somehow above our ancestors in importance / morality 3. Fear due to pondering a reality devoid of current technological advancements and luxuries.

It is very isolating to live in an era where the populous has been conditioned since birth to think all of this is normal. School, prisons, jobs, it’s all BULLSHIT made up by humans and everyone accepts it like we’ve been doing this since the dawn of humanity. If you say anything that questions the current norms, people have echo chamber buzzwords ready for you like “sovereign citizen” or say you’re lazy/worthless for not wanting to participate in this fabricated system. People are scared to see outside the veil of comfort (fast food, Amazon delivery, social media, streaming services) because they’d have to acknowledge everything is a lie and they have wasted their life on a meaningless rubric of success. They’re scared of being shunned by colleagues or ostracized by other conformists.

What truly infuriates me is that people believe primitivism is beneath them, that they are too “civilized” for such a thing. Their ego is programmed into them by our greed driven culture; the more nice things you have, the more regarded you are. If we were so “civilized”, we’d find a way to live in unison with the planet, not actively destroy it. We are just a bunch of smart monkeys… but if you put us in some suits and jewelry and automobiles and houses, suddenly we think we are the center of the universe. Our “sophistication” has done nothing but create a dystopian nightmare that only functions so long as the earth can provide enough resources to sustain our parasitic existence.

I'm writing about Kaczynski's ideas and need to know if there are any physical copies of the book available, and if so, where exactly? I cant find any on sale and Im yet to find any information about amy physical copies

What do you guys think about the possibility that human species can end up like star wars. What if we managed not to destroy ourselves and spreaded all over the galaxy? sorry for not perfect english

Our only solution is a revolution against the industrial civilization. Let's get actually organized ! https://www.antitechresistance.org/en

Just reading thought latest version of ISAIF and something stood out that seems to be happening as Ted K mentions in regards to breaking down and weakening the immense social machine as quoted below. In some ways It seems as though it is happening of its own accord and quite possibly getting a helping hand from various areas in society such as those who own and run social media, those who partake in it and how people have reacted to it over the past 15 to 20 years or whatever it has been. Just thought it was an interesting topic to share here. What are your thoughts?

Paragraph 41: For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled). One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest. Thus the money-maker constantly strives for more and more wealth. The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next. The long-distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster. Many people who pursue surrogate activities will say that they get far more fulfillment from these activities than they do from the “mundane” business of satisfying their biological needs, but that is because in our society the effort required to satisfy the biological needs has been reduced to triviality. More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs autonomously but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine. In contrast, people generally have a great deal of autonomy in pursuing their surrogate activities.

Paragrapgh 166: Therefore two tasks confront those who hate the servitude to which the industrial system is reducing the human race. First, we must work to heighten the social stresses within the system so as to increase the likelihood that it will break down or be weakened sufficiently so that a revolution against it becomes possible. Second, it is necessary to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial system. Such an ideology can become the basis for a revolution against industrial society if and when the system becomes sufficiently weakened. And such an ideology will help to ensure that, if and when industrial society breaks down, its remnants will be smashed beyond repair, so that the system cannot be reconstituted. The factories should be destroyed, technical books burned, etc.

Apart from the most obvious few (all the anprim and Kaczysnki subs), I follow r/Anticonsumption, r/collapse, r/fuckcars, r/GuerillaRewilding, r/nosurf, r/OffGrid, r/preppers, r/procollapse, r/reclaimedbynature, r/Survival, r/TaoistAnarchists, r/UrbanSurvival, and r/vagabond. I'm trying to improve what I see here on reddit; are there any gems I'm missing?

This might be more of a rant, but I’m grateful for ideas.

I live in a city in Europe, with hot and humid summers. It’s getting close to unbearable for me and I’m trying to find ways to live elsewhere. There are several problems:

• Living in the countryside would mean, I need a car. I almost died in a car crash when I was 18 so I never finished my driver’s license (I didn’t drive the car, but still). Driver’s licenses are very expensive here and about six months of school. Gas and cars are expensive. Plus I fucking hate cars. It’s absurd that if I want to live closer to nature, I’d need a car.

• There are less or no jobs in the countryside in my profession (social work) which I hate, too, but at least it pays more than let’s say working in a warehouse or some mindless office job and I can do it part time.

• I have a small plot of land here in the city and I feel connected and obligated to it. It’s becoming more wild and animal friends start living there because the conditions are right. Still. It’s in the city. But when I leave, someone will take it over who will turn it into a garden for humans only again.

So I guess my questions are:

How can I stay while somehow live with the heat, the noise, the unbearable and ongoing destruction of earth?

Should I leave? Where could I go? How could I survive in the capitalist system without a job?

I remember reading an article by an anarchist primitivist on “how to live in the city without being of the city” but I cannot seem to find it again.