I own 17 acres of river-access land in rural Maine. While that's not really enough land to support a community, it is adjacent to thousands of miles of timber company land which is open to the public to travel, hunt, fish, forage, or sleep on. The only issue is you aren't allowed to take down any trees on timber company land, which in the boreal forest is a death sentance - which is where my patch of land comes in.

If a group of people wanted to come together to form a primitive community, I'd be willing to open up my riverside land so that they could take firewood and build some sort of longhouse or something to stay in through the winters, and the rest of the year they spread out among the rivers through the logging lands gathering food. It's sort of a half measure to a completely primitive lifestyle, but it's a step in the right direction.

We all know how immediate our predicament is. AMOC collapse has put a definite lifespan on civilization and very soon we will be forced to live without it. What skills and organizations do we need to build in the time we have to make sure we stand a chance of surviving through it? Of course this will vary depending on your immediate environment so feel free to bring up regionally focused strategies.

is anyone trying it out?

Hello very much,
Lately, I’ve been feeling overwhelmed by the fast pace of modern life/technology. I find myself drawn to the idea of living more like people did in the past—settling down, growing food, and disconnecting from all the distractions. I know it's not really possible to fully live like that today, but the idea is really appealing to me.

I wanted to ask if this sub is the right place to explore these ideas, and if anyone has any book or recourse recommendations or sources to get me started on this journey. Any advice or thoughts would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Obviously these are speculations only and there is no way to profess anything for sure, which is also mentioned by Kaczynski as he talks about how things never go the way people want to but become somewhat a combination of will forces (cant find the exact fragment right now but its in Anti-tech revolution: why and how). Let's daydream and think about the steps of it. Comment your ideas and I shall do it aswell once I finish thinking.

The idea came to me from thinking about how unlikely it is for everything to go the right way so that technology would actually become a thing of the past completely and universally.

Multiple times I have tried to explain the estrangement of people from nature in the current societal climate, to people I am affiliated with. These conversations come up organically and I eloquently explain the principles of the anprim worldview. This is usually met with a STRONG response, commonly consisting of 1. Denial of the environmental havoc we are wreaking upon the planet 2. An ignorant perspective of primitive life and the belief we are somehow above our ancestors in importance / morality 3. Fear due to pondering a reality devoid of current technological advancements and luxuries.

It is very isolating to live in an era where the populous has been conditioned since birth to think all of this is normal. School, prisons, jobs, it’s all BULLSHIT made up by humans and everyone accepts it like we’ve been doing this since the dawn of humanity. If you say anything that questions the current norms, people have echo chamber buzzwords ready for you like “sovereign citizen” or say you’re lazy/worthless for not wanting to participate in this fabricated system. People are scared to see outside the veil of comfort (fast food, Amazon delivery, social media, streaming services) because they’d have to acknowledge everything is a lie and they have wasted their life on a meaningless rubric of success. They’re scared of being shunned by colleagues or ostracized by other conformists.

What truly infuriates me is that people believe primitivism is beneath them, that they are too “civilized” for such a thing. Their ego is programmed into them by our greed driven culture; the more nice things you have, the more regarded you are. If we were so “civilized”, we’d find a way to live in unison with the planet, not actively destroy it. We are just a bunch of smart monkeys… but if you put us in some suits and jewelry and automobiles and houses, suddenly we think we are the center of the universe. Our “sophistication” has done nothing but create a dystopian nightmare that only functions so long as the earth can provide enough resources to sustain our parasitic existence.

I'm writing about Kaczynski's ideas and need to know if there are any physical copies of the book available, and if so, where exactly? I cant find any on sale and Im yet to find any information about amy physical copies

What do you guys think about the possibility that human species can end up like star wars. What if we managed not to destroy ourselves and spreaded all over the galaxy? sorry for not perfect english

Our only solution is a revolution against the industrial civilization. Let's get actually organized ! https://www.antitechresistance.org/en

Just out of curiosity, how would you make humanity go back to its roots?

Just reading thought latest version of ISAIF and something stood out that seems to be happening as Ted K mentions in regards to breaking down and weakening the immense social machine as quoted below. In some ways It seems as though it is happening of its own accord and quite possibly getting a helping hand from various areas in society such as those who own and run social media, those who partake in it and how people have reacted to it over the past 15 to 20 years or whatever it has been. Just thought it was an interesting topic to share here. What are your thoughts?

Paragraph 41: For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled). One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest. Thus the money-maker constantly strives for more and more wealth. The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next. The long-distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster. Many people who pursue surrogate activities will say that they get far more fulfillment from these activities than they do from the “mundane” business of satisfying their biological needs, but that is because in our society the effort required to satisfy the biological needs has been reduced to triviality. More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs autonomously but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine. In contrast, people generally have a great deal of autonomy in pursuing their surrogate activities.

Paragrapgh 166: Therefore two tasks confront those who hate the servitude to which the industrial system is reducing the human race. First, we must work to heighten the social stresses within the system so as to increase the likelihood that it will break down or be weakened sufficiently so that a revolution against it becomes possible. Second, it is necessary to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial system. Such an ideology can become the basis for a revolution against industrial society if and when the system becomes sufficiently weakened. And such an ideology will help to ensure that, if and when industrial society breaks down, its remnants will be smashed beyond repair, so that the system cannot be reconstituted. The factories should be destroyed, technical books burned, etc.

Hi, I understand this subreddit isn’t a kaczynski fan club, I’m not treating it as such, but my question is why does he suggest (and some of you) anti technological revolution? I believe abandonment of civilization is much better. In other words, it’s better to abandon civilization than revolt against it. For one, to remain actually anarchistic, the movement mustn’t be forced in another person (our number one criticism is the treatment of the disabled). I think we would be hated a lot less if we just abandoned civilization instead and did not participate in anti technological revolution. It would also hurt far fewer people. The only time I could see anti technological revolution as morally acceptable is if it were in self defense(e.g Fossil companies threatening water supplies, development of land. etc). Curious to hear what others have to say.

Apart from the most obvious few (all the anprim and Kaczysnki subs), I follow r/Anticonsumption, r/collapse, r/fuckcars, r/GuerillaRewilding, r/nosurf, r/OffGrid, r/preppers, r/procollapse, r/reclaimedbynature, r/Survival, r/TaoistAnarchists, r/UrbanSurvival, and r/vagabond. I'm trying to improve what I see here on reddit; are there any gems I'm missing?

This might be more of a rant, but I’m grateful for ideas.

I live in a city in Europe, with hot and humid summers. It’s getting close to unbearable for me and I’m trying to find ways to live elsewhere. There are several problems:

• Living in the countryside would mean, I need a car. I almost died in a car crash when I was 18 so I never finished my driver’s license (I didn’t drive the car, but still). Driver’s licenses are very expensive here and about six months of school. Gas and cars are expensive. Plus I fucking hate cars. It’s absurd that if I want to live closer to nature, I’d need a car.

• There are less or no jobs in the countryside in my profession (social work) which I hate, too, but at least it pays more than let’s say working in a warehouse or some mindless office job and I can do it part time.

• I have a small plot of land here in the city and I feel connected and obligated to it. It’s becoming more wild and animal friends start living there because the conditions are right. Still. It’s in the city. But when I leave, someone will take it over who will turn it into a garden for humans only again.

So I guess my questions are:

How can I stay while somehow live with the heat, the noise, the unbearable and ongoing destruction of earth?

Should I leave? Where could I go? How could I survive in the capitalist system without a job?

I remember reading an article by an anarchist primitivist on “how to live in the city without being of the city” but I cannot seem to find it again.

I recently made a post similar to this over on r/transhumanism asking what their reasons were for being in favor of that concept, so now I'd like to go to the opposite end of the spectrum and see what y'alls reasons are for rejecting technology. The main questions I have are as follows:

1. Do you think our default state is to live a primitive lifestyle? If so, then why?

2. Do you think there is a way to implement this way of living on a mass scale via revolution or do you think it would take a large scale societal collapse?

3. Why do you feel like more technology isn't the answer to the problems our society faces?

4. What would become of people with genetic health conditions, or people with disabilities?

5. Does a sense of spirituality inform your beliefs at all?

6. How large of a tribal structure do you think we could live in before it is considered a form of civilization? Would tribal confederations similar to the ones that the indigenous tribes of the Americas set up be considered an "acceptable" form of civilization or even a civilization at all?

7. What distinction if any would you make between technology and simple tools? (This came up a lot over on r/transhumanism, many people asserted that getting technology implanted in your body is no different than using an Atlatl or wearing glasses. This seems like an error in logic to me. What do you think?)

8. And lastly, what steps do you take in your own life to reacquaint yourself with the ways of our ancestors?

Civilization is incongruent with the evolved disposition of human beings. We evolved a dual ambiguity towards both submission and domination, which allowed our ancestors to live for hundreds of thousands of years in relatively egalitarian groups. Compulsory participation in centralized hierarchy causes a lot of mental and emotional turbulence. Some of that is expressed in misplaced notions of persecution, and these misplaced notions are themselves incredibly destructive, while also making us more vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation by the ruling class.

READ THIS for a further exploration of the idea of human beings as the persecuted ape.

Good day everyone! So I'm new to Anarcho primitivism. I came up with the idea as a teen and I thought I was the only one. But then I found Ted K, George Henry Thoreug and came to find I didn't create this idea. Which excited me. I'm in a position now to engage in some light AP activities. My end goal is to some day start up a homestead built on the idea of Anarcho primitivism. I'm only 23 right now and stuck in a trade school. What are some skills and hobbies I can indulge in now that can help me in the long term to becoming a primitivist? One idea I had was learning better sewing and crocheting skills and harvesting materials for making clothes.

I think the best chance for hunter-gatherers to make a comeback is for global civilization to collapse entirely and leave little-to-no traces. Like a mass extinction and civilization collapse event like global nuke war, supervolcanoes, asteroid, and solar flares.

The ideal scenario would be that civilization collapses globally, that way modernity doesn't have a chance to expand and take over.

Like if all those extinction/collapse events would happen globally, and let's say a small pocket of humans survives by hunter-gathering, over thousands of years when the Earth's geosphere recovers and becomes more habitable again, hunter-gatherers would be able to make a comeback.

If all traces of modernity are forgotten and removed, the only issues then would be humans developing agriculture and modernity again. There's gotta be hunter-gatherer friendly habitats all across the world otherwise humans will resort to agriculture and eventually, modernity.

Some native-american tribes remained hunter-gatherers for so long because they had plenty of bison and ways to survive without being forced to develop/rely on agriculture; other native-americans did develop agriculture but at least not an advanced modern society like the Europeans.

But Inca society and others, and even most native-american tribes developed a government system. So for anarcho-primitivism to be the human, global norm it has to be free from external enemies and also remain in anarcho-primitivism.

I feel the best way for it to stay that way is with a low human population/density and enough environment pressure that keep the populations in check and from expanding too quickly, leading to agriculture and modernity. Like it could be a reliable super-predator, disease, etc.

Overall I feel the conditions for anarcho-primitivism to be sustained are very ideal. Enough time will pass and the conditions will shift to favor agriculture and modernity.

I think the best we can do for now is try to merge the pros of anarcho-primitivism with the pros of modernity and also try to eliminate its cons; And being smart about it. Otherwise I think we all are gonna become extinct from the lack of balance; Too much modernity is gonna lead to a collapse. The original, sustainable, natural state of human affairs for most of their existence/history has been anarcho-primitivism.

Like one of many examples of the negative effects of modernity/agriculture have been our anatomy/physiology: Myopia (glasses), dental issues (braces), etc have been a side-effect of not chewing hard foods (raw meat, nuts, etc.) like we used to and also being indoors all the time makes our eyes not morph correctly. I think it's in our best interests to try to emulate the most pros we can about anarcho-primitivism.

But my cynicism tells me that that's not enough. And that the human species is going to cause it's own extinction by holding onto agriculture/modernity. It keeps getting worse with time and more developments. I think we can't escape this fate. We are a ticking time-bomb.

Let me know what y'all think:

Are humans doomed to extinct themselves through agriculture/modernity?... Earlier than a natural (external) extinction if anarcho-primitivism was the norm?

Is modernity inevitable? ie, will it eventually always develop and take-over if anarcho-primitivism became the norm again?

Can modernity lead to a successful space/advanced civilization that doesn't extinct itself and is worth living in (ie, utopia-like)?...Or do you think a dystopia and extinction are inevitable and more likely to happen?

Can humans use modernity wisely?

Looking for recommendations and suggestions on any and all books and other reading materials related to anarcho primivitism. Doesn't matter how old or new, short or long, academic or more pop oriented, fiction or non fiction, thanks!

Estimation of course.

What do you guys think about people who have read Kaczynski's work and are preaching it in an even more right-wing manner? With a strong will to be authoritarian? For example, I stumbled upon a guy on a poetry website who have written something like this, and I think it's a good example: https://allpoetry.com/poem/17967325-One-Thousand-Sorri-s-by-Jason-James

I for example think that they are making us (I'm partly AnPrim, but no "going back" thing, roads won't disappear like that) bad reputation and lead to a confusion about the concepts of primitivism. After all, they preach everything against Anarchism. And the word "preach" can be interpreted in many ways, this guy for example is making a cult or something.

But I've also seen people here who could potentially agree with some of his arguments. Which makes me think that it can actually be an open discussion and that I could hear the other side. Not to bend to arguments, but to understand the perception and position. So I'm interested in hearing your opinions about the subject of Kaczynski-inspired preaching.

(Note that I'm aware that Kaczynski wasn't an Anarcho-Primitivist)