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Shizuki Soujuurou's "Fate": A Breakdown of Possible Lore Implications (FGO x Mahoyo Collab Spoilers)

"In coordinates unknown to all, the wraith's thrust kills the evil spirit"

For such a cool line to be Sono-G's official chant for his Noble Phantasm in FGO, it sure does hold some intriguing hints. Said hints will never be answered unless Nasu decides to release the rest of the Mahoyo trilogy. For the time being, let's try to dissect this line using all the information we have so far. Bear with me, this might be long.

Note: This is NOT a theory. I'm simply making inferences or speculations using whatever current information we have, scarce as they may be. Theories tend to have more substantial information.

We have three hints: "coordinates unknown", "wraith", and "evil spirit" Let's try to break them down in order.

1. "Coordinates Unknown"

With the word "coordinates" itself, this is obviously referring to a location. Since this is Soujuurou's NP chant, our major hint would be the background in his NP: a snowy place filled with ruins. According to Mahoutsukai no Yoru Privilege (the material book that comes with the release of Mahoyo VN), Shizuki Soujuurou's "day of decisive battle" says "土の上にも三年". If translated, it means "three years on a stone", which is a Japanese proverb of "perseverance prevails". Whatever that means, it's clearly not describing a location. However, if we go to Aoko Aozaki's profile from the same material book, her "day of decisive battle" is on "snowy ruins" (廃墟に雪). I also looked up Alice's "day of decisive battle" and it says "Tower of London" (ロンドン塔), which is clearly Clock Tower-related.

While the location is the focus, let's not forget taking note of the time too. The events of Mahoyo VN were set in late 1980s, so around 1986 to 1989. In Mahoyo Collab, Soujuurou used up all of his might to punch the Shiny Star last 1999 to give Aoko a window of opportunity to delay the Singularity. It was also noted that he did the same feat 8 years ago. That makes the possible timeline for Mahoyo 3 to be around 1991. I also looked up the winter season of London and apparently it happens at around December to February. British folks, please feel free to correct me on this.

With those information provided, we can make an inference that Soujuurou's decisive battle will happen on snowy ruins alongside Aoko Aozaki and possibly Alice Kuonji, and that he will persevere on doing it. It's also possible that the event will happen around the winter season of 1991 at the Clock Tower.

2. "Wraith"

This one's a bit tricky to find. To start, a wraith is basically a disturbed soul of a dead person that remains attached to the world because of strong regrets, grudges, or even unfinished businesses. Matou Zouken himself is an example of a wraith. However, in Nasuverse, wraiths can become stronger by consuming the souls of living people and increase their Magical Energy. Some wraiths increase their potential to the point that they could rival Heroic Spirits. Cursed Arm Hassan is an example of the latter statement.

In Tsukihime, there's this particular wraith called Stanrobe Calhin. He's one of the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors (still remains in the Remake) and is particularly at 11th rank. According to Kagetsu Tohya, he was a DAA that got killed by the Church. However, his soul remained as a wraith and still has enough power to cause immense destruction to everything near him. As such, he received the titles "Duke of Predation" and "City Devourer". Him as a wraith is so strong that he still has 200 years left before his soul eventually dissipates.

The reason why I mentioned this character is because of Aoko Aozaki. In MBAACC, there was this particular scene of Aoko confronting Dust of Osiris. The latter was conducting a ritual that's world-threatening. Aoko then said that such a huge ritual might attract "Stantia: the First Wraith", which is referring to Stanrobe Calhin.

With those information provided, we can infer that Aoko Aozaki has some history of Stanrobe Calhin. We just didn't know when it happened. This makes Stanrobe a potential candidate of being Soujuurou's final enemy.

However, there's an obstacle to this inference. The line obviously implies that the "wraith's thrust" is Soujuurou's punch (or in this case, his NP in FGO). Does this mean that Soujuurou is a wraith? Or rather, did the reversal of his death courtesy of Aoko did something to him? Perhaps we'll never know until new Mahoyo content arrives.

3. "Evil Spirit"

With barely any clues at hand, it's clearly hard to decide on where should we begin with this, as "evil spirit" is a pretty broad term. But thankfully, I wouldn't get to search much on this thanks to Petrikow's (TM translator on Beast's Lair) Twitter post regarding Soujuurou's NP. They mentioned a character named Gazamy.

Obviously I didn't know who the hell this "Gazamy" character is (also my first time hearing this character), I had to look up on TM wiki if he has a page. Seems like he has one.

The first-ever mention of Gazamy happened in Fate/hollow ataraxia, when Rin Tohsaka was talking about disasters in the Mage's Association (Clock Tower). Apparently, Gazamy is ranked 1st. This was further supported in Fate/complete material III when it mentioned Gazamy was treated as the number one disaster mage and was locked up below the Clock Tower, alongside other dangerous sealing designated mages. In the same material book, Nasu also said in an interview that Gazamy has a magical attribute that's troublesome for magi to deal with. In later works, which is the material book for Lord El-Melloi II Case Files, we now know that Gazamy disappeared at the end of the last century, which is around the 1990s.

Just like what I've said earlier, it's possible that Mahoyo 3 will occur around 1991 due to the "8 years" hint coming from the Mahoyo collab. In connection with Gazamy, we can make an inference that the Mahoyo trio will probably make an encounter with him as he managed to escape prison in the Clock Tower. We could also infer that Soujuurou will be the one that will deal the final blow on Gazamy, seeing as he has apparently a troublesome magical attribute for magi.

Alright, to sum it all up, here's a TL;DR:

The setting for Shizuki Soujuurou's final decisive battle will probably be on the winter season of 1991 at the ruins near the Clock Tower. His possible final enemies are either Stanrobe Calhin and Gazamy. It's also possible that he's a wraith himself or Aoko throwing his death away did some unfavorable consequences to him. And most of all, he will persevere on this final battle.

And that concludes my post. What are your thoughts about it? Also, if you think I missed some other important points, please do feel free to add them as I gladly welcome them.

8 Comments
2024/05/05
09:16 UTC

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Is Chaldea Xenophobic?

I read that they want to ensure that humanity reaches the age of humans which is not really a bad thing until you realize that they want to do that to every possible time line not just there own so they basically go into other worlds and ensure the age of humans happens which forces basically every other race to retreat to the reverse side of the world or they starve.

That just sounds fucked up to me I mean I get ensuring your own world is like that but you are basically poisoning the home of the phantasmal races forcing them to move away so humans can live there.

I never watched beyond the first few episodes and that was years ago so I might be wrong but after looking at the wiki and from what I’ve heard this sounds like what is happening feel free to tell me if I am wrong though.

7 Comments
2024/05/05
04:44 UTC

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What makes people regard Suzuki Soujjouro as one of Type Moon's best characters?

I've seen many people refer to him as one of Type Moon's best written characters but I have never been able to register or understand why. So why is that?

His fight with Beo was certainly badass and he is really likable but I don't get how people say he is better than characters like Shirou, Shiki and Kiritsugu?

6 Comments
2024/05/04
19:17 UTC

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What do you all think of Shiki and Mikiya as a couple?

So I think Shiki and Mikiya are not discussed enough despite being the oldest couple in all of Type-Moon So today I wanna talk about them as a couple.

So what do you all think of Shiki and Mikiya as a couple? Do you like there relationship???

41 Comments
2024/05/03
19:17 UTC

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MBTL has released this “find the difference” photo and my eyes could not find the remaining 4. Can anyone find all 10??

8 Comments
2024/05/03
07:58 UTC

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Studio BB - What Should Be Next?

As we all know, the game development TYPE-MOON studio BB headed by director Kazuya Niinou that was established in 2019, announced three titles in development. Those three projects are a game related to an existing Type-Moon title, A new title set (in a broad sense) in a world created by Type-Moon co-founder Kinoko Nasu, and a brand-new, Type-Moon-style title (in an even broader sense). Nasu said he had always wanted to create more high-scale 3D games in collaboration with third party game developers, as well as small-scale 2D games in-house. I find this news to be both exciting and and as a wonder opportunity for Type Moon to branch out into multiple genres. I also have a wish list of my own that I would love to have checked off by Type Moon.

Tell me what games do you guys think Studio BB should work on along with their already existing list of projects?

Here is my list:

  1. 2D Fate strategy turn-base game
  2. A 3D farming/dungeon crawler style game like Rune Factory
  3. An open world free to roam platformer
  4. An MMORPG like Final Fantasy XIV
  5. Turning the visual novels into 3D games
  6. 3D games with gameplay based off Tales and Trails
  7. Tsukihime 2
  8. The other two sequels for Mohoyo
  9. Fate Unlimited Codes remake
  10. A game that allows you to work for the Mage Association or Church
  11. A mobile game with gameplay like Honkai Impact that allows you to play with the servants from FGO
  12. A HD-2D RPG design like Octopath Traveller
  13. A fist player shooter
  14. Collaborations with Cygames, Mistwalker, Key, Leaf, Frontwing, Mages, Idea Factory, Vanillaware, Game Arts, and Arc System Works
17 Comments
2024/05/01
14:39 UTC

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how to get into tsukihime, where to start, remake or og, etc?

i know this question has been asked a lot but ive yet to find a concrete, up-to-date post about it.

context: basically went down a mahoyo rabbit hole because i got aoko in fgo and thought she was cool. then found out its connected to tsukihime, which i know very little about but i do like arcueid's fgo unit.

questions: 1) what is tsukihime about? 2) should i start with the original or the remake? 3) are there any content warnings/triggers to be aware of (i can handle a lot of topics but i am vaguely aware of the amount of SA in the original) before i head in?

thanks!

5 Comments
2024/04/30
15:10 UTC

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Kara no Kyoukai 6: Oblivion Recording [Complete Translation]

An offering to commemorate May Day. Consign the infamous movie 6 to oblivion and rewrite your records.

PDF
EPUB

5 Comments
2024/04/30
14:31 UTC

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How strong are the DAAs and how are the burial agency supposed to fight them (remake)

I'm not too knowledgeable about Dead Apostle Ancestors and the burial agency, but looking around online I've seen people claim that DAA are pretty powerful in lore (with exceptions, e.g. Vlov, weak by DAA standards) but if that's the case, how is the Burial Agency supposed to fight against them considering Vlov put up a good fight against Ciel in her route considering he's not a proper DAA.

I'm aware Ciel has already defeated 2 but we don't know how it happens (too my knowledge)

Does the Church has weapons/gear that can close the seemingly insane gap between DAA and Burial agency members, or the Burial Agency members are close to DAA power level despite being human*. Do they only go after the weaker ones?

Unless I'm severely overestimating DAAs in the remake

88 Comments
2024/04/30
11:51 UTC

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Why do some fans say that Sakura didn't deserved a happy ending?

I simply don't understand this take. A lot of people always insist that Sakura should have died to pay for her sins. Even though all the civilian deaths were caused by the Shadow and Sakura had no part in it.

The only people Sakura willingly killed were Shinji and Zouken who deserved that very well and even after she snapped and became Dark Sakura she didn't killed any innocents.

Her biggest crime was having distorted and unhinged thoughts about Shirou and others but she herself regretted those immediately.

So can anyone please explain it?

104 Comments
2024/04/29
07:00 UTC

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How likely are we going to get Mahoyo 2 & 3 in YOUR opinion in our lifetime?

I absolutely love mahoutsukai no yoru and I love Aoko, the story and everything about it, but it has been a real long time since we actually got anything new but now we at least got the trio in fgo. We got a bit of information here and there, and apparently Mahoyo 2 will happen, and Nasu wasn't really sure if it still will be a visual novel.

But honestly, it has been a long time since it came out, and I really hope I will see it before I die. The main problem is for me personally that he's not sure if it actually will be a visual novel. I LOVE visual novels and I really hate that they fell out of favor and aren't as big as they were in the past (never really THAT big but at least bigger). For me the ultimate media form, you can do long stories with beautiful visual telling. Mohoyo stood out for me as honestly one, if not the, best.

But now I'm a little bit afraid. Because honestly, Fate Grand Order is the one thing that makes bank. That really makes a shit ton of money. And I don't really know if the Mahoyo movie will actually be a success. Visual novels are clearly not that big anymore. But honestly, I don't want any musou games or grinding games. I just want the pure visual novel story. While I trust Nasu normally, I'm genuinely afraid that we will have some strange format for it. Because while this might sound a little bit emotional, this story was with me for a long time. And I actually was over the years often looking up new art on Pixiv or on Twitter or looking for more information about any upcoming release.

Now, my question is, do you think that we will actually get it? That we will actually have the full conclusion to the stort. The full, complete story of Aoko, Alice and Soujuurou? And I mean if he is not even sure WHAT FORMAT Mahoyo 2 will be... We at least can be sure he hasn't started developing the novel/game. But perhaps the story is finished? What do you all think?

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ohBut now I'm a little bit afraid. Because honestly, Fate Grand Order is the one thing that makes bank. That really makes a shit ton of money. And I don't really know if the Mahouyou movie will actually be a success. Visual novels are clearly not that big anymore. But honestly, I don't want any mozo games or grinding games. I just want the pure visual novel story. While I trust NazoNormally, I'm genuinely afraid that we will have some strange format for it. Now, my question is, do you think that we will actually get it? That we will actually have the full conclusion to our core story. The full, complete story of them. Because while this might sound a little bit emotional, this story was with me for a long time. And I actually was over the years often looking up new art on Pixis or on Twitter. Looking for more information.But now I'm a little bit afraid. Because honestly, Fate Grand Order is the one thing that makes bank. That really makes a shit ton of money. And I don't really know if the Mahouyou movie will actually be a success. Visual novels are clearly not that big anymore. But honestly, I don't want any mozo games or grinding games. I just want the pure visual novel story. While I trust NazoNormally, I'm genuinely afraid that we will have some strange format for it. Now, my question is, do you think that we will actually get it? That we will actually have the full conclusion to our core story. The full, complete story of them. Because while this might sound a little bit emotional, this story was with me for a long time. And I actually was over the years often looking up new art on Pixis or on Twitter. Looking for more information.But now I'm a little bit afraid. Because honestly, Fate Grand Order is the one thing that makes bank. That really makes a shit ton of money. And I don't really know if the Mahouyou movie will actually be a success. Visual novels are clearly not that big anymore. But honestly, I don't want any mozo games or grinding games. I just want the pure visual novel story. While I trust NazoNormally, I'm genuinely afraid that we will have some strange format for it. Now, my question is, do you think that we will actually get it? That we will actually have the full conclusion to our core story. The full, complete story of them. Because while this might sound a little bit emotional, this story was with me for a long time. And I actually was over the years often looking up new art on Pixis or on Twitter. Looking for more information.

20 Comments
2024/04/28
19:48 UTC

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The 4 Great Heroines

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2024/04/28
15:48 UTC

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What do you all think of Hisui and Shiki as a couple?

So we all know Hisui's route is often considered the best route in Tsukihime. But I think the main couple of the route isn't talked about enough.

So what do you all think of Shiki and Hisui as a couple? Do you all like them as a couple?

20 Comments
2024/04/27
18:11 UTC

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Weird but may be stupid question: How would Meodp work on VR?

I remember seeing an official knk artwork with Ryougi Shiki wearing a ( presumably ) a vr set with Mana and I just thought how would meodp work on it? Would she see lines on some game enemies like Resident Evil vr or something?

This is probably stupid question as I am a newcomer fan to type moon so yeah

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2024/04/25
20:44 UTC

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Quick question abt mahoyo extra chapters

I've been playing Mahoyo for a few days now, and since i'm doing in very short periods, i feel like something went over my head while playing the chapter 1.5. English in not my native language, so this can also be a cause.
At the very start, is said it's late November, The day Aoko met Sizuki. And this chapter covers, as i remember, Aoko whole day.
But then, at Seven Days os Spinning, vol 4, the first words were "Let us rewind a moment in the recent PAST. The scene took place on a Saturday moning in EARLY DECEMBER" And is shown a event where Aoko already knows Sizuki. Which makes sense, being in december, if they met in november. But:

How come early december is written as past, if the chapter 1 is still late november? Shouldn't this be a extra future chapter?

5 Comments
2024/04/25
16:04 UTC

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Hypothetical: A Reality Marble in Space?

If the World will fight back against a reality marble on Earth, what if you went into space and used it there? Could you create a permanent alternate reality around you without the World fighting to return it to normal? Would this work? Why or why not?

38 Comments
2024/04/24
18:35 UTC

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Was this scene supposed to mirror the Shirou and Saber one?

11 Comments
2024/04/23
12:08 UTC

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Which should I read to understand Magecraft better?

I've always been curious about TypeMoon's Magecraft, unlike magic systems which are can get boring at times because of how systematic it is, I find that Magecraft is more chaotic and experimental, sure you can do a lot of cool things with it but at the end of the day it's an incomplete study.

Any suggestions?

4 Comments
2024/04/22
13:28 UTC

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Could the Quetzalcoatl from FGO be summoned in a regular Holy Grail war?

So from what I understand that wasn't the actual Quetzacoatl it was a fraction of them while they were possessing the body of a priestess who was really into lucha libre which means she doesn't posses full divinity to make her count as a full on god.

Does that mean it's possible or was the circumstances of FGO the only reason such a thing was possible?

14 Comments
2024/04/22
03:15 UTC

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If every story in Nasuverse seems to hint at a final ending to Humanity

What I meant is that humanity seemingly either will face extermination from the Ultimate ones when Gaia finally perishes, or face evolution(?) if they survive and become a star spanning species as Gil sees in a vision.

Is this the theme of Nasuverse? Humanity’s unyielding resilience toward the inevitable while facing it head on?

Is that why despite Magecraft and mystery deteriorating, and nothing can be done about it, Magnus or Magicians continues to do their best to preserve what little the wonders from the age of gods was left, all while dealing with eternal threats from the void of space seeking to destroy humanity(Ultimate ones) and themselves?

Is that also why Zelretch despite all his powers, can’t really do anything even with the second magic, and can only observe from afar.

It just feels like despite all the beauty seen from the effort done by all the characters throughout the series, even if you gain significant power it seem to only put you in a better situation unlike the common mook Magnus and you can live your life to the fullest before Entropy inevitably reaches you, and it doesn’t matter what power you have, because it won’t change anything, not in this setting.

That honestly is pretty sad if you ask me.

Can someone explain in better context? Because I feel like I’m still missing something or getting something wrong; either that the Nasuverse tells stories about the inevitable decline and ending of everything but still facing it to the end all while “living”, or the “Pruning” affect occurring when something is not right in the timelines.

25 Comments
2024/04/22
02:57 UTC

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Did anyone felt that the UBW anime messed up the Gilgamesh vs Shirou fight?

So while I do believe the UBW anime by Ufotable is an okay adaptation. The way it adapted the final fight between Gilgamesh and Shirou was really stupid.

We all saw from the VN that the UBW reality marble is supposed to completely shut down Gate of Babylon but in the anime Shirou is instead blocking Gilgamesh's attacks easily with his own swords. It basically looked like UBW was pointless in that fight. It's completely nonsensical since even Heracles wasn't able to fight this well against Gilgamesh's GOB spam.

Also another slight thing that I felt was stupid was the way Gilgamesh used EA during the whole segment. In the VN Gil used a fraction of it's power to tell Shirou how weak he actually is. But in the anime they instead made him use it against the Grail mud. Seriously why would he use his most precious weapon against some filthy Grail mud???

Not to mention they made it look like Gil is hesitating too much when it comes to using EA. In the VN Gil immediately was going to use EA after realizing that Shirou is overpowering him. But in the anime it can feel a bit plot armorish that Gil was screwing around this much before eventually pulling out EA.

5 Comments
2024/04/21
18:52 UTC

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Can someone tell me what Aoko is referencing here?

7 Comments
2024/04/21
13:00 UTC

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A very crucial information about Mahoyo sequels

Apparently Mahoyo the VN fully adapt its novel and Mahoyo sequels was suppose to be books he wrote after book 1 but never got time for it

"How will the three parts be organized?

Nasu: The original Mahoutsukai no Yoru only contains one episode, mainly because when I finished writing it, I told myself "I'll write part two when I have settled down a bit" while at the same time writing Kara no Kyoukai. As a result part two still doesn't exist. Now that part one has been remade, it would be nice to finish part two and three as well, then it'll be a brand new work that spans over a period of 10 years. It'll be an important topic for Nasu Kinoko, but I have no idea when I'll finish it (laughs)."

https://www.tsukikan.com/misc/the-secret-of-mahou-tsukai-no-yorus-birth.html

Which might explain why Mahoyo sequels are in state they are yes FGO happened

But Mahoyo 1 have OG Mahoyo to be based off for but Mahoyo 2 and 3 are something that are suppose to be from book he never wrote ..... so that's why we are in state that we are Mahoyo 1 have og novel in skeleton Mahoyo 2 and 3 would be something completely new of things which he have thought about in head in 1996-97 after finishing OG mahoyo .... as a writer I can understand the dilemma.

Also seem like robbing TM museuem for Mahoyo novel might be futile cause og game did adapt Mahoyo novel 1 .... rob it for Tsukihime 2 content.

3 Comments
2024/04/21
11:38 UTC

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Aoko Aozaki (shintyoi)

6 Comments
2024/04/17
00:22 UTC

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What do you all think of Arcuied and Shiki as a couple?

So today I want to ask about my favorite Nasuverse couple. What do you all think of Arcuied and Shiki as a couple together???

Do you all think their relationship is great or not and do you all wish that anything about their relationship should have been done better?

47 Comments
2024/04/16
17:24 UTC

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Aoko photo.

5 Comments
2024/04/16
01:32 UTC

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