Every instance of time travel in the show follows the same formula.

Dean (and sometimes Sam) is sent back in time. Being sent back in time causes the events in the future to happen. Nothing they do in the past changes the outcome of the future because the past is set in stone.

Cass teaches Dean this lesson the first time he time travels.

Because he sent Dean to the past, his mother was doomed to die. The only thing he could have done to stop this is to not time travel at all or to not interfere at all. But that wasn't in Dean's nature so the result was inevitable.

Same thing when Dean goes back for the Phoenix ashes. They know the Colt kills a Phoenix. Dean is the one that kills the Phoenix but they don't know that. They spend the last bit of the episode waiting for Colt to show up but he doesn't. Because Dean was always the one to kill the Phoenix.

Time travel works on Harry Potter logic. Time is a straight line and cannot be changed in any way. Dean always interferes to try and save his family. Dean always shoots the Phoenix....

But that brings me to the next big instance. The submarine. We don't find out until the end of the episode that the German ship was destroyed by a huge blast (hand of God) but if the logic stays consistent, this always happened. Dean is literally just a witness in all of these events. Sort of. He can't change anything. Not time traveling at all would create a multitude of paradoxes but....

Idk it's very sad to think about. And a lot of the time it ends in failure, despite the best efforts of the boys.

Edit: I thought I'd add this as well. The submarine episode. Yeah, it was doomed to sink but it was never the Germans that sunk the sub. Delphine using the Hand of God is always what sunk the sub. So that trip to the past also always ends in failure.

I love time travel stories. Especially if they're done right. But I hate time travel in Supernatural because you want the boys to win for once but....you know it isn't possible.

And there's further proof that events are set in stone. At least for humans.

Balthazar goes back in time and prevents the Titanic from sinking and completely wrecks the timeline, causing a Sister of Fate to step in. Events of the past cannot be changed because if they are....millions will end up dying as a result.

So when John was possessed by Azazel, what was the thing that made him be able to break free of the demons hold? Oh, that's right, he was hurting Dean. What about when Bobby was possessed by that demon in season 5? He was able to overpower the demon and kill it by stabbing himself rather than stab Dean. Sam was able to break free of Lucifer's hold when he was possessed because of his love for Dean after beating him up. Finally, Cas was able to control himself even after he had been brainwashed by Naomi because he refused to hurt Dean. Over and over the monsters they fight tell Dean that his family doesn't love him like he loves them, but that isn't true. Their love for him is so strong that they are able to overpower impossible things to keep him safe. Anyway, just thought it was sweet and I would share.

I know it's not a hot take but I just love Mrs Butters. The episode is such a nice break from the over all arc. I really wish she hadn't gone full nurse ratchet so soon though.

I actually think an interaction between her and Chuck would've have been hilarious.

On a slightly more serious note I do think this episode shows that Dean was well on the way to forgiving Jack.

So I’m rewatching the show right now and I’ve never finished the ending. I’ve never had the courage to do it because I just can’t stomach it. I know what happens but I can’t bring myself to watch it until now. I just finished 15x19 and I’m genuinely confused as to why they didn’t end it there. I understand it would’ve been a bit corny but honestly knowing what’s coming next it feels not necessary. Like they went out of their way to do this and for what. Why would you off dean and do that to Sam ? Why end it like that. I’m sorry but after everything it feels cheap. The shows suffered with the changing in writers before sure. But honestly this is so bad I sometimes ignore it as canon. It’s like when dean went to purgatory and Sam didn’t look for him at all really. Supernatural has always suffered from some bad writing here and there. Don’t get me wrong I grew up with the show and I love the boys and the show of course. But it feels like a huge disservice and disappointment to the show and the fans and everyone involved. I also understand at the time COVID was a major issue for the show but I feel as if there could’ve been work arounds. Even a hiatus not knowing how long could’ve been better than the ending. Y’all can call me crazy but for a 15 season show it’s not the most unreasonable. Sure it’s an out there idea but the ending is just that disappointing. My apologies for my ranting this last episode had me in my feels. I haven’t brought myself to watch the last episode yet. But what do y’all think ? My apologies again for the ranting and the talk to text it breaks my heart. At least we have fan fiction I guess.

I know the show is a bit PG/PG-13 with the gore and violence due to it being a CW show, but there are definitely a few decently brutal scenes, any standouts to anyone? I am watching Season 8 Ep19 - Taxi Driver and the opening scene of Kevin Tran hallucinating Crowley removing his hands was surprising to me.

They literally just kept each others corpses bc they refused to accept the others demise.

Been pirating the show on a few sites but for some reason, on most of them, several seasons are missing. Anyone know where I can go to watch all the seasons?

FIRST TIME WATCHER PLEASE NO SPOILERS

I thought Abaddons death was so anticlimactic. All that build up. The entire storyline with Crowley and her fighting for reign and she dies from such a pathetic kill 😭 I wish there was more of a fight or maybe if we got to see Abaddon actually ruling hell and actually seeing a proper storyline, then the kill might have been a little bit more worthy. Seeing Dean managing to fight against her powers through the Mark of Cain definitely had me on the edge of my seat but I just wished there was more. Just wasted potential 😅

Ok I’m a first time watcher of Supernatural. I just finished the French mistake, so please please please for the love of god don’t spoil anything past that episode in season six.

But I’m so curious—the Tweets that Misha posted in the episode—I’ve heard he actually posted them in real life when the episode aired. Is that true?? For anyone who watched it when it premiered, what was that like??? Was there a trailer before this episode aired, so did you know already what was going on? Or was it all a surprise because this episode was one of the eps I already knew about going in, so I didn’t get to experience figuring out that they were in Jared and Jensens world.

Anyway I’m just curious what it was like watching this when it aired if anyone here did that.

I love this show so much like I can’t even begin to talk about how much I am enjoying watching it for the first time. Sam is by far my favorite character and I am SO happy he’s not Souless anymore because I really, really hated that.

How do you convince future you you’re you?

I wanted to read + download the Supernatural comic books online but I can’t find a good place to find all of them. Im specifically looking for Beginning’s End but help to read any of then would be so so helpful!

Hi all! My mother in law is a supernatural super fan. This year she is turning 60 and is planning to attend the super natural convention in June.

I’m starting to search for gifts for her and was wondering if any one has suggestions on super natural gifts ideas I could get her? I do not have a budget, and want to make this a very special birthday for her!

Any and all suggestions are welcome! Thank you in advance!

I’ve been thinking on this topic for a while.

And I’m going to try my best to ask this question(s)

As we all know the music within the show spans 60’s through the 1990-2000’s

In some cases the song came out either when or well before you were born.

Let’s take the song Nighy Moves for example. Song came out in 1976.

Ie it would be ‘your’ parents music. I mean i was 4 years old when Night Moves came out.

My question is before supernatural would you listen to “parents” music (classic rock) or write it off as old people music. And then as you got into this show, did your opinions change on “old people” music.

What if any Are songs that you wouldn’t be caught dead listening to before but now you’re like damn this song is awesome!

Thanks and Carry On.

Eta: for the record I consider my self old people.

• The end Good bye Dean:

such an obvious choice, Right! Before i watched i knew Dean would die, u would think this will make it easier… but no. The part that broke me to pieces, when Dean mentioned the first time he went to get Sam out of his dorm, how he wasn’t sure if Sam will go with him, or he would tell him to go hell. I so badly wanted to strangle John for this, but also poor Dean, his insecurities always got the best of him, he wanted to believe that Sam doesn’t love as much as he loves him :(

• Dean death Season3:

Another obvious choice. We had many deaths on the show, but by far this death was the saddest. It actually left me feeling unwell for a while. We had a full season, a full 16 episodes with anticipation, clock is ticking, and until the last moment i thought Dean would be saved, then our worst nightmare came true. Everything the characters feared happened. Man that was awful..

• Dean throwing away the amulet

Such a minor scene, but it said too much. Up until that point the amulet was Dean prized possession. Sam wore it when Dean was hell. But him throwing it away like that, spoke too much (i give up, i am done, after everything i did for you, your heaven didn’t even include me). Not only Dean gave up on saving the world and his brother, but even his happy memories were tainted now. He lost the past/ present/ future all at once. Dean was completely broken.

• Sam facing Lucifer in Season 11

Up until that scene, i wasn’t sure or convinced that Sam was sexually abused in the cage. Also Sam and Dean face all kinda of horrible creatures, we never see fear in their eyes. But in this scene we see everything, the pure terror in Sam face, facing the thing that took everything of him, abused him in all way possible. As afraid as Sam was he needed to face him, he need to show lucifer that he didn’t get the best of him, Sam didn’t lose himself and didn’t lose his faith in his big brother. In the early scene when Crowley tells Dean to loosen the grip, we are supposed to laugh. But with all the hell that Sam went through, i am glad he at least had Dean. And i was so proud of Sam for facing his biggest nightmare.

I'm getting a bit pissed off at everyone, even Cass, saying that it's the brothers fault, especially Sam's, if Lucifer was released. Yes, Sam's means to do so were... questionable, to say the least, but the plan to kill Lilith was both Sam and Dean's plan and IT MADE SENSE (at first), since she was breaking the seals.

IT'S THE ANGELS FAULT. If they'd told Sam and Dean that killing Lilith was the final seal, they never would have killed her. Take responsibility, idjits !

I saw an article about season 16 ideas and all felt cheap to me, so I came up with my own.

Season 16 starts after Sam's funeral as his son goes thru his possessions and finds his diary. He's surprised to see how often his dad missed his brother, and that despite his happy life he never gave up unsuccessfully trying to find a way to resurrect Dean. Sam's son realizes from various entries that he could time travel by archangel but there are none. He also reads about alternate realities and decides on a complicated and risky scheme to go to an alternate reality, convince an archangel there to help him time travel to undo dean's death and come back. He succeeds and dies in Dean's place in the past. Sam and Dean fight The Akrida themselves the rest of the season. Alt-Archangel stays in the past as possible season 17 villian?

Honest thoughts and ideas appreciated thanks

Does anyone else think that the Styne Family stole Doc Benton's formula and enhanced it with magic to achieve what they achieved? Or maybe Doc Benton stole Styne Family secrets and reworked it for his immortality formula?

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They are very similar. Both come from the early 1800s. Both replace body parts.

So I'm watching the show for the first time and I'm on season 3 episode 16 (I'm exactly where Dean and Sam are preparing to go after Lilith) and I'm so upset at how Dean trapped Ruby because he doesn't want her help. It's really pissing me off because he literally has 30 hours to live and he really needs all the help he could possibly get considering their going up against LILITH but because of his own issues & mistakes he won't let Sam get Ruby's help and he's willing to risk not only his but his brother's life too and betting on the knife. I feel like this plan will terribly fail on them and they need to tap into Sam's gifts.

Hellooo! I just recently saw an edit on TikTok where Dean played a song on a jukebox for a girl they apparently rescued. I don’t think I have seen the episode, but I also can’t seem to find it. Can someone tell me what episode that is? Thank you :)

So ive been wanting to listen to the soundtrack of all the songs they play like cary on my wayward son and back in black but it seems like every where i look none of them have all the songs from every season! I was just wondering if any of you have an accurate playlist yall can link or share? It would help alot thx

I was grocery shopping when I started singing along to the radio. Then I realized what song it was and then realised what day it was. I heard Heat of the Moment in the wild on a Tuesday. I glanced around for Gabe for a second. No one in my life watches SPN so no one can appreciate the experience.

So I’m going to a SPN convention in a few months and decided to make friendship bracelets to give out/trade. I’m trying to think of some short, funny quotes I can put on them but, I’m having a hard time thinking of anything that’s not a full sentence that won’t fit on a bracelet. Any suggestions? I’ve done “I’m Batman,” “Low Sodium Freeks,” and “Hey Assbutt” but I want some more.

Sam is more careful and meticulous. Dean on the other hand is much more careless, so him not having contracted something is likely. I can see Sam carrying a different knife for cutting himself and one for use in fights or prying something open but Dean probably uses the same knife for all occasions, nor do I see him cleaning them thoroughly, sharpening most definitely but as far as cleaning it, just a quick swipe on his pants is good enough for him.

I just learned about this show. Has anyone seen it? How does Jared come off?

Room 401 was a show that appeared on MTV in 2007. It's basically like the show Scare Tactics -- it's a prank show where real people are put into a situation that shows them getting scared by horror-like scenes --- ghosts, dismemberment, etc.

TW: sexual assault, incest

I've actually never watched supernatural except for possibly one episode? I remember watching it home sick from school one day maybe 12 years ago. It was about a young girl who was kidnapped, and it turns out her family were obsessed with keeping their bloodline pure and wanted to unconsentually get her pregnant in some weird full moon ritual. I thought it was about werewolves but i couldn't find it on the supernatural wiki page for werewolves.

It also could have not been supernatural at all. I'm not 100% sure. If you have any insight it would be appreciated B^)

Edit: thank you all for your comments and thank you to mannida in the comments for finding the episode!