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• Jinx: EIE (Beta NF)
• Vi: SLE (Beta ST)
• Caitlyn: IEI (Beta NF)
• Viktor: ILI (Gamma NT)
• Jayce: LIE (Gamma NT)
• Mel: IEI (Beta NF)
• Ambessa: LSI (Beta ST)
• Singed: LII (Alpha NT)
• Heimerdinger: ILE (Alpha NT)
• Ekko: LSE (Delta ST)
• Vander: SLI (Delta ST)
• Silco: LSI (Beta ST)
• Sevika: SEE (Gamma SF)

I finally looked upon the post of our fella u/Apple_Infinity bit more carefully - and I've realised two things.

1. My first glance was accurate and I should've answer then and there.
2. This case needs to go public since I didn't.

While first claim is not important here, the reason behind the second is so crucial that I've decided to make an exception (people know what I mean).

Fi. Matter of right and wrong.

When it's correct, people do a huge mistake (or simply do not take one thing in consideration).

And that is... When Fi is a sense of right and wrong - it doesn't mean ego Fi types will consider what's right and wrong for you.

People are always dumbfounded when they hear that Hitler was IEE, EII may be a hypocrite and ESI can double-cross people for breakfast, how SLE really can respect your boundaries etc. - but all they need to always remember how much Socionics is about mirror duality.

It's both within: Good or Evil, noble and ugly. The only real thing here is:

One will reap what he will sow.

Title. It is said they are “common, everywhere”. Where’s their natural habitat? Definitely gonna hang out there. I have only met like 3 in person so far in my life.

I was wondering if anyone had any articles defining how the elements evolved?

I saw a post talking about the evolution of elements and I thought it was interesting, so I wrote my own thoughts about this. I think all types are necessary to survive and I am not saying one type is more primitive then the other. I am trying to break up the focus of importance in life through SF/NT and NF/ST dichotomies in this post as I don't really see many people talking about these groupings as much, either that or I just don't really pay attention to those posts. This is probably the most IEI Ti mobilizing shit I have done, bear with me.

Original Elements of Survival (Fi, Fe, Se, Si)

Se on its own is needed to grasp and measure what forces it takes to survive and apply those forces.

Si on its own is used for survival as a way to grasp what things are most comforting and what things will bring harm. I.E Disgust which might've been an emotion to help humans navigate what to stay away from as it will bring harm although studies show this feeling might be complicated by cultural aspects as wells.

Fi on its own makes me think of the aspects of connections usually through the instincts of maternity and paternity. Maternity and paternity instincts mold an emotional closeness which in turn allows the cultivation of prominence for the next generations as a means for future survival. 

Fe makes me think of group dynamics and cohesion. Under the cultural survival theory, it suggests culture is formed as a way to survive by maintaining groups.

SeFe: Maintain group survival by force (SEE,ESE)

SeFi: Maintain offspring survival by force (ESI,SEE)

SiFi: Maintain offspring survival by removing discomfort (SEI, ESI)

SiFe: Maintain group survival by removing discomfort (ESE, SEI)

This is the basis of survival, then other evolutionary elements come into play as humans no longer have to focus their attention to just trying to survive. Humans needed structure/efficiency and humans needed direction/innovation so humanity can modernize. (Ti, Te, Ni, Ne)

Te as a means to manage recourses and people effectively while also providing a basis of noting the objective facts of the world. (I know that sounds Ti, but its less about categorizing and more dynamic)

Ti as a means to provide structure in the world as groups become larger and more complex, like systems of governing.

Ne as means to grasp the hidden possibilities which provide innovation and exploration rather than focusing on the superficial reality of the world.

Ni as a means to find meaning beyond everything and also provide a basis of a new direction by working from the past.

My definition of Te is lacking, it's my PolR okay :(((((((

TeNe: Provide possibilities in the realm of what recourses are in front of them (ILE, LIE)

TeNi: Provide direction through efficiently using recourses (LIE, ILI)

TiNi: Provide direction through structure (ILI, LII)

TiNe: Level out possibilities through structure (LII, ILE)

However, I focus a lot on the NT/SF dichotomies of survival which is probably the purest form of evolutionary survival for humans, but the other groupings are also important in their own realm.

Allowing for meaning and bridging the gaps between individuals/groups. Focusing on future orientation and cohesion of relationships. (Ni, Ne, Fi, Fe)

NiFi: Provide meaning in relations to others therefor sustaining relations through "ideas" (IEI/EII)

NiFe: Provide meaning through groups by giving individuals a role, basically importance through group identification (EIE,IEI)

NeFe: Provide possibilities to groups welcoming harmony (or disharmony) towards one another (IEE, EIE)

NeFi: Provide possibilities to relationships bridging openness towards one another (EII,IEE)

For ST it is less about innovation and more about maintaining recourses for survival of the present for the future. (Se, Si, Te, Ti)

SeTe: Maintaining recourses effectively through force i.e capturing and taking what is needed before something else takes it. (SLE, LSE)

SeTi: Maintaining structure through force. (LSI, SLE)

SiTi: Creating structure that can sustain itself on the basis of generating "balance". (SLI, LSI)

SiTe: Managing and sustaining recourses for the comfort of oneself and others. (LSE, SLI)

I don't know what I was getting at here or how to properly explain my conclusions, but I think this rant was about me trying to understand aristocratic vs democratic dichotomies. SF/NT are about sustaining their individual survival through innovation or vice versa, while NF/ST might be more about maintaining "humanity" through sustenance of recourses or vice versa.

It's between either Expending (NT) /Capturing (ST) recourses and Defending (SF) /Expanding (NF) relations. Both of these relations can be used as a means of survival for humanity. This ofc also sounds like Si/Ne vs Se/Ni, but I think in the end all NT like to expend or play around with the recourses they have while ST do not as much even SLE who still wants to expend themselves only if they are getting something in return. SF is about respect for different relations/feelings while NF is about connecting them. I know this post was very long and seemingly meant nothing nor do I expect people to really agree on me with how I group together all of them, but I think it's interesting to see the similarities in "opposite" quadras while also understanding the respective roles each type takes up in their quadra and why they are needed for each other. Theres also something here about why NT and SF are duals versus ST and NF that I can't just explain coherently. Again, sorry for the weird post, but I need some other people's thoughts about dichotomies and what they mean!

P.S I am not calling SF types primitive, in actuality I think they are probably the most useful in terms of maintaining human survival that is why they are probably common because they are most needed. (By my opinion ofc)

The rules I used for estimating percentages of types are: more peripheral than central, more sensors than intuitives, more irrational sensors than rational sensors as well as more rational intuitives than irrational intuitives, and greater deviation between the amount of ethical mirror types than logical mirror types. Since this is just speculative and just for fun, here is the list of what I believe is most to least common types:

1. Peripheral Sensors (~40%)
2. Central Sensors (~30%)
3. Peripheral Intuitives (~20%)
4. Central Intuitives (~10%)

And:

1. SEI (~11.5%)
2. SLI (~10.5%)
3. LSE (~9.5%)
4. SEE (~9%)
5. ESE (~8.5%)
6. SLE (~8%)
7. LSI (~7%)
8. EII (~6.5%)
9. ESI (~6%)
10. LII (~5.5%)
11. ILE (~4.5%)
12. EIE (~4%)
13. IEE (~3.5%)
14. LIE (~3%)
15. ILI (~2%)
16. IEI (~1%)

Note: This is just my own take and is only in broad sense... obviously, a broad sense. Feel free to disagree with me, but either way I'm hoping to have people engage with this post constructively and not respond with something like "types don't have roles in society" or my personal favorite, "you have weak Ti." I'd especially appreciate people giving suggestions to improve the wording for descriptions and adjustments/corrections you might have since I'll be making edits to this post.

The format of this post is: peripheral/central + sensor/intuitive, 3 single word descriptors for each type (courtesy of Gemini AI), and my own thoughts on their role(s) in society.

Peripheral Sensors ("where would you be without us")

SEI

Nurturer, Harmonizer, Peacemaker

Any art or craft that involves using creativity, knowledge, and skills in order to create aesthetic/sensual experiences that improve and sustain the physical and emotional states of people.

For example: music, film, art/design, cooking, teaching, nursing, hospitality, homemaking, parenting, etc.

SLI

Artisan, Tradesmen, Connoisseur

Any art or craft that involves using creativity, knowledge, and skills in order to improve or sustain aesthetic/sensual experiences through the use of functional and/or technological aspects of society.

For example: engineering, architecture, most trades and crafts, medicine, agriculture, education, etc.

LSE

Optimizer, Logistician, Executive

The establishment and improvement of functional and technological productivity/efficiency, especially within groups and organizations, while having consideration for physical needs and aesthetics.

For example: management, analyst, consultant, coaching, entrepreneur, accountant, real estate, government/military official, policymaker, etc.

ESE

Host, Unifier, Cheerleader

The establishment of social groups and social relationships within otherwise impersonal/formal organizations through the use of emotional/sensorical intelligence, improving moods and fostering a shared positive experience/atmosphere.

For example: HR, PR, fundraising, marketing, networking, broadcasting, journalism, tour guides, activity directors, etc.

Central Sensors ("just going with the flow, the water would soon stagnate")

SEE

Influencer, Promoter, Socialite

Use of physics and ethics towards making an impact or change, taking control over, or leaving a legacy/mark on the surrounding environment and people.

For example: sales, marketing, acting/performing, athlete, influencer, coach, counselor, PR manager, politician, etc.

SLE

Challenger, Leader, Realist

Use of physics and logic towards making an impact or change, taking control over, or leaving a legacy/mark on the surrounding environment and people.

For example: athlete/soldier, politician, lawyer, military/police, firefighter/paramedic, salesperson, fitness trainer, etc.

LSI

Systematizer, Enforcer, Guardian

Use of laws and physics+aesthetics towards pushing and "returning" society towards a state of integrity and/or order, opposing corruption and/or chaos.

For example: judge, law enforcement, administrator, analyst, inspector, programmer, city planner, etc.

ESI

Advocate, Protector, Moralizer

Use of morals and physics+aesthetics towards pushing and "returning" society towards a state of integrity and justice, opposing corruption and evil.

For example: social worker, volunteer work, healthcare, counseling/therapy, community organizer, religious/spiritual leader, teacher, etc.

Peripheral Intuitives ("there's more to this world than meets the eye")

EII

Empath, Individualist, Mentor

Use of own morals and emotional sensitivity to form within the metaphysical-- implicit concepts and processes-- an understanding to communicate stories, themes, or motifs of emotional significance in order to grow and connect.

For example: counselor/therapist, storywriter, volunteer worker, spiritual leader/guide, philosopher, teacher/educator, artist/musician, etc.

LII

Analyst, Logician, Theoretician

Use of logical relations to bring order to and organize the metaphysical-- implicit concepts and processes-- into translatable language and systems.

For example: theoretical scientist, mathematician, economist, data scientist, software engineer, writer/author, etc.

ILE

Inventor, Innovator, Theorist

Using intuition-- peering into the implicit possibilities of objects-- to frame and then reframe logical systems, with an understanding of technology and functioning, to generate ideas and solutions.

For example: theoretical scientist, researcher, inventor, engineer/architect, entrepreneur, writer/author, philosopher, programmer, etc.

IEE

Humanist, Idealist, Inspirer|Using intuition-- peering into the implicit possibilities of subjects-- to learn and share an understanding of the intricacies of the human mind, relationships, and interactions.

For example: psychologist/therapist, counselor/social worker, teacher/educator, writer/journalist, artist/musician, HR, PR, diplomat, foreign relations, linguist, etc.

Central Intuitives ("we will learn from our mistakes and drive us forward")

EIE

Unifier, Catalyst, Advocate

Using emotions to stir a catharsis within others, inciting an inspiration-- feeling of purpose and significance-- towards achieving something more meaningful than the mundane.

For example: artist/performer, actor, religious/spiritual leader, politician/activist, creative director, writer/journalist, etc.

LIE

Entrepreneur, Visionary, Strategist

The optimization of functional and technological productivity/efficiency in order to achieve progress and improve society.

For example, entrepreneur, inventor, executive, politician, analyst, consultant, etc.

ILI

Critic, Analyst, Skeptic

Using intuition--seeing the implicit relationship between processes over time-- to identify the best solutions to functional problem and separate what is logical from what is illogical. For example: investigation, editor, lawyer/judge, scholar, risk manager, analyst/consultant/advisor, programmer, etc.

IEI

Dreamer, Mystic, Empath

Using intuition--seeing the implicit relationship between processes over time--to lead by example as well as guide others towards both individual and collective growth, in both interpersonal and intrapersonal relations, and socio-cultural development.

For example: religious/spiritual leader, philosopher, writer/journalist, therapist/psychologist, teacher, film/acting, etc.

ILE (affective-labile, cyclothymic): characterized by changes in state: joyful events - thirst for activity, increased talkativeness, racing thoughts; sad events - depression, slowness in reactions and thinking. An elusive turn of events is enough for a change of mood. Sometimes: center of attention, instigating - other times: closed and silent. Sometimes: overcomes complex obstacles, achieves professional success - other times: periods of suppressed feeling; first very active and talkative - then slow and speechless. Cheerful and lively in society. Among their own they can complain, be hypochondriacs. Good at speaking, articulate, has a way with words, can be very talkative under the influence of alcohol. Deep emotions, mood swings are typical: sometimes lively and funny, other times calm and modest. After a stimulating event, you continue to "vibrate" in tone of excitement or seriousness, although the event itself is already "off the agenda." He is easy-going, tender-hearted, compassionate. Admiration and amazement at great works of art. Sometimes suicidal inclinations.

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I sense the key point is: vulnerable hate criticism, less caring about strengths but enjoying the cover of a strong one.

I kept wondering how SEI-ILE get along with each other since my hubby who’s likely an SEI hates my critics on his Te. He just makes extremely awkward mistakes from time to time and won’t take any suggestions on efficiency improvement. Later I experimented and found out a solution: I stopped lecturing on how to do but demonstrated and let him watch and learn. He became much more comfortable and cooperative.

I wonder if this is usually how xLEs do with Te.

Comment the specific type out of the two options if you want. Oh, and comment if you choose other.

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If you are ego Fi please take this into account in how you act in the future.

Here's the issue: Fi is very determinant of what is right and wrong. Strong Fi = Weak Ti. In short, Fi types will always argue with you while being sure they're right, and won't be swayed at all by logic, meaning even if you logically prove them to be incorrect, they will not realise it and continue to argue based of of their Fi judgements.

Feel free to share your experiences with this, or you opinion if you disagree, and Fi type, please think about whether your actually right.

As I promised(well...soft promised) several days ago, here is my review of IEs. It's gonna contain not only my reflection on them, but also how I define them(perhaps in my own words).

Se: The will to power, ability to just do things(regardless of obstacles), energy and stamina ; ability to notice the amount of willpower in others(and other openings) and fully exploit them. Awareness(of the outer world). How do I relate to Se? It's ... peculiar. Firstly, I do not worship it. Secondly, if you give me an opening, I am going to command the shit out of you. This means, either lower in hierarchy or of lower Se. Finally, I do admire "get shit done" and being self-assured, but please do mind the consequences!

Si: Ability to compare physical sensations in one and others, ability to fine tune physical sensations and perceptions, being in tune with environment and this mostly involves dexterity etc. What about Si? Honestly? Yes, I am a hedonist. While I do admire Epicurus, sometimes I wonder whether I agree with Bacchus more. I can help with this, but I really prefer others to do these things. I would even like if others took care of my body. Haha.

Ne: The ability to generate possibilities, to see things from other / unexpected angles, to mentally rotate things and see potential of things ; divergence. Ne? When I am in a familiar environment, I can generate quite some possibilities. This envelops things I have (ample) experience with. But I do not like to dwell on this too long. It is an useful thing though. Again, I just don't prefer this open ended approach.

Ni: The ability to prognosticate(both short and long term), to dwell on deep things, to have a well developed inner world ; convergence. Ni? While I am not in tune with deep things like spirituality at all(and neither do I value that), all the other domains of Ni are a slam dunk for me. Predictions, time passage sensitivity etc come easily to me. Ok, I am not about Long Term at all.

Fe: The ability to convey and transmit emotions(both good and bad), as such the ability to create or change emotional environs ; unitarianism(as in Unity of people, not as in Religion). Fe? While I do like good emotional atmospheres as much as the next person, I both do not really care about this nor do I want to take care about that. Even when others do it, it's best in moderation ; I am easily annoyed by this. Hordes and other loud nonsense do NOTHING for me. Oh, another thing. I REALLY want to be emotionally free. Trying to control me here is like a capital insult.

Fi: The ability to notice and adjust relations between oneself, others and even other things(like, hate etc). Deep connections(typically) and emotional frankness ; individualism. Fi? Yes, I do need this one. How do I say this? I suck at this. To the point of not even being aware of it(I approach relations in rather mechanical "if then else" way). I really appreciate being helped with this ; but please do notice: I do not have much experience with this. I can easily miss or wrongly evaluate relations easily. You wouldn't believe things I have overlooked. Having Fi info is always useful. And even that kind of loyalty. Ok, SEE can be flaky, but they do have their charm.

Te: The ability to evaluate things, to be effective and do things(but not in Se way). Also, plain descriptions. The important thing is that any form of comparisons(efficiency / measurement) is NOT Te! Me and Te? Well, that's rather plain. Yeah. I fully believe this to be a slam dunk. Be it sourcing data or being money savvy or just doing things in time ... what can I say? I also love just doing things.

Ti: The ability to create and adjust systems, to measure things(comparisons of x and y of any form must be an Intro IE), to analyze, deconstruct and construct things. Nuance. Rules. Finally, Ti? I do not have any problem with it and I do like to measure and to analyze things. But it feels kinda like a second tier priority. Like something that's meant to be done on the fly, for other reasons, not for itself.

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There, as I promised. To whomever might be interested. I tried to both explain what they are, how I see them and how I relate to them. Cheers!

Hey there folks.

This is a great sub. I’ve been enjoying reading the posts and the responses in here, it’s an overall tighter and might I say more intellectually oriented community than MBTI subs.

Would be great if you could help type me based on the long questionnaire.

1. How do you work? Why do people go to work? Are there any parameters that determine whether you can do work or not? What are they?

Intermittently. Sometimes I'm really on. Sometimes really off. But I always have the energy to give anywhere between 1hr-2hrs a day at least. The rest is tough for me at times, because I guess, I lack willpower to do it or something? I get exhausted.

People go to work because they have to. The world runs on sustained value creation, and we're all part of it, contributing to it together. Without a farmer getting something of equal value from somewhere else, there wouldn't be food distributed around. We're all just creating value for each other. Work is the way humanity contributes to each other's lives.

The only real parameters IMO are physical/mental/emotional energy, how capable you are at something (which is also subject to improve) and desire. All else is vague conversation.

2. How do you determine the quality of work? How do you determine the quality of a purchase? Do you pay any attention to it?

The quality of work must satisfy the basic criteria of being fit for the job. Since clearly, we need a defined purpose before we do something we call "work."

The quality of a purchase to me is about it fitting what I need the purchase for, its long term use to me, its sustainability in how well it proves itself over time again and again, and whether it stands the test of time in being durable and excellent in its function. Copy paste that to everything.

3. There is a professional next to you. How do you know they are a professional? How do you evaluate their skill?

Elements like passion, dedication, willingness to constantly educate.

Skill comes down to many, many factors. Track records are important. But what I truly look at is an innate drive towards excellence. Does the other person have "the edge." The burning desire to excel, and become truly exceptional at something. Without that, you can have someone who works well but they'll never be a rockstar.

4. If you struggle to do something, how do you fix that? Do you know if your performance is better or worse than others?

I break the problem down into its components.

Am I capable? if so, is it an emotional problem? If not, is it something I need education for? If not, do I need to just give it time? There's no such thing as an unsolvable problem, only lack of competence and time.

I can only tell if my performance is better or worse than others when I compare it. The second marker is public evaluation, however this is subject to the times we live in. Van Gogh died unrecognized.

For my own personal satisfaction, I go for three markers: 1) Was I deliberate in doing my best and kept improving on my best? 2) Was I honing in ONLY on the main goal, without letting any other motivations side track me? 3) Did I study everything that came before and improve on it - or created something entirely new?

If these criteria are met, I know I've done an excellent job.

5. How do you measure the success of a job? What standard do you use? Do you pay attention to it? When should you deviate from this standard?

You get what you want. Plain and simple.

I've described the standards above.

Meta-analysis:

Seems fairly straight forward to me.

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1. What is a whole? Can you identify its parts? Are the parts equivalent to the whole?

A whole is anything with a specific attribute that separates it from the rest.

You can identify its parts if it is divisible.

The parts are not equivalent to the whole, but there is often the fractal nature of things leaving their trace.

Technically, an ocean is a huge water body, but when all of those drops of water come together they create magnificent movements geographically.

A drop is a drop, but it can still teach you much about the nature of the ocean.

There's the fractal nature of life, you can spot the patterns everywhere.

2. What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view? How do you know you are being logical?

To me logical is about standing on solid ground with what you've found as the truth for yourself.

And then going a step further and arguing with your own perspective to find different ways you could be wrong.

And then still keeping an open mind to possibly being wrong, having the meta-awareness to see that life is formed up of infinite varied factors, which if you don't factor into your calculations, you're already wrong by default.

For this reason, I believe you can't find the truth. There is no such thing. At any given point of time, the access to information is the factor that keeps us from having a full picture of reality. Our job is to get the best information we have access to, make our best conclusions, and the possibility to being utterly and horribly wrong anyway.

I'm not sure if this correlates with the common view. Most people are dumb and terrible at thinking.

I'm being logical if I've taken in the MOST amount of information possible, created conclusions, proved them to myself as many times as possible, and still believe they're falsifiable.

3. What is hierarchy? Give examples of hierarchies. Do you need to follow it? Why or why not? Explain how hierarchy is used in a system you are familiar with.

A hierarchy is a system of power.

Military. Politics. Even Hollywood.

You don't necessarily have to follow it. A hierarchy is a system of values, therefore it's upto you to adhere to it or not.

Following it has advantages. You get to learn, and advance up it, and avail new advantages based on the value system of the said hierarchy.

I personally think hierarchies are for the unconscious. But I understand them, respect them, and follow them where they align with my goals.

Heck, being logical itself is hierarchical in nature. The best conclusion wins. All the other conclusions merely serve as a means to the end, for you to falsify against the strongest.

Evolution doesn't leave even the mind of man from participating in the survival of the fittest. We're merely living in the illusion that our minds are safe from hierarchy. It's everywhere.

4. What is classification? How does classification work? Why is it needed and where is it applied? Give examples.

Classification is the act of drawing boundaries around certain abstract or even physical entities so we can define them properly.

Classification helps you determine what you're dealing with, it's scope of definition and purpose, and where and how to use it.

A pen is a writing instrument. A paint brush is not.

But depending on where you use either, you can switch their purposes.

5. Are your ideas consistent? How do you know they are consistent? How do you spot inconsistency in others' ideas?

I don't deeply bother with other people's ideas being consistent.

Merely mine. And I try to make them as rock solid as possible.

I spot inconsistency in other's ideas via this indescribable hunch. It's simply that the conclusions they're coming to may have weak premises being disguised as solid ones.

Each person's understanding of the world is different, but some people let their logic be colored by that understanding to a fault.

Meta-analysis:

Seems straight forward. I did have to think through some parts. Especially the classification bit - mainly because I don't really know the definition of classification itself so well. So I had to google that. But otherwise, seems like questions that I could answer with some thinking involved.

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1. Can you press people? What methods do you use? How does it happen?

I usually don't press people. Unless I have to or I get angry.

The methods I use can come off fairly crude or obnoxious. But if I do so, it's usually dependent on the more important question of "do I need to?"

2. How do you get what you want? What do you do if you have to work to get what you want?

Analysis, plans, I get to work eventually. And I push myself, ridiculously hard to go towards what I want. I don't always get it, which is something I'm improving at. But my plans are impeccable.

I think that's a straightforward question. If you have to work to get what you want, you work to get what you want.

Unless again, I have issues in that department. For example, you can be hard working but believe you aren't worth the things you want.

My biggest weakness in this area is around the ability to get things done - something I've been resolving for a while now and should succeed at because I've figured out mental and emotional models to replace my default ones.

3. How do you deal with opposition? What methods do you use to defend your interests?

I usually like to logically reason.

If the opposition resorts to force, then I the path is clear and it's time to take up arms. I'm not scared of people. Only scared of what I can do if I get angry.

So, usually I try to logically and emotionally appeal to the other person's desires, interests and values. The value based manipulation of someone's psyche is something I've learned recently, thanks to realizing most people aren't good thinkers and you can't use that everywhere. It depends. I use the tool that gets the job done.

4. When do you think it's ok to occupy someone's space? Do you recognize it?

I like to give other's space and have adequate space for myself.

But again, I'm a tit for tat person, if I meet someone who's trying to occupy mine, I'll seek to crush them entirely and completely.

This has led to confrontations before. But I don't back out once I've decided someone is being unreasonable and also giving others a hard time.

But by my usual nature, I'm a very "I'm going to get what I want, just don't get in my way" kind of guy.

5. Do others think you are a strong-willed person? Do you think you have a strong will?

I think others do. I realize horribly the limits of my own will. And therefore, I'm constantly working to expand it.

Everything can be trained.

Meta-analysis:

I experienced feelings of anger/confrontation inside at some point. This isn't an area I feel deep ease in. It's something I'm getting better at, but in the meantime, I realize there's clearly emotional turbulence when I specifically come across people are trying to be bullies. I'm very much the kind of person who tries to bully or get inside the heads of people who bully others.

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1. How do you satisfy your physical senses? What examples can you give? What physical experiences are you drawn to?

Through hot showers. I love drinking. Alcohol makes me feel unhibited and loose, and I really enjoy that. I love sex.

I'm deeply drawn to beautiful women. To beaches, mountains, to feeling the wind on my face when I ride a bike.

I love the feeling of touching others. I find comfort in listening to different parts of a song, hidden instruments that aren't so obvious.

2. How do you find harmony with your environment? How do you build a harmonious environment? What happens if this harmony is disturbed?

"Everything right where I need it" is the definition of harmony for me. If this is about physical things, my room, etc.

When it comes to social situations, I define harmony as having a good time with others.

Building a harmonious environment is about contributing good feelings, even stories to others that people can relate to. Giving others a good time while being true to myself is my way of creating harmony. If it's disturbed, I usually excuse myself from the company if I know for a fact that I do not like the other person, in case I do like them, I try to resolve the situation with them trying to understand their point of view, their feelings, and finding a common negotiation ground where both of us can be happy.

3. What does comfort mean to you? How do you create it?

Sleep. Relaxing. Watching TV. Being away from people every once in a while.

Comfort to me is about introspection. Journalling. Even lying down in bed doing nothing. Watching movies that make me understand more about this world. Or just watching movies that make me feel something deep.

4. How do you express yourself in your hobbies? How do you engage yourself with those things?

I'm not sure how to answer this. I enjoy my hobbies. I try to be competitive and good at all that I do.

5. Tell us how you'd design any room, house or an office. Do you do it yourself, or trust someone else to do it? Why?

I prefer to do this myself. Lots of small lights. Good smells. Minimalistic room, with a big mirror, a very comfortable bed. Soothing lights, warm, higher temperature lights. Lots of books.

Meta-analysis:

Seemed like I'm answering what my preferences are. Easy enough.

##Section 5

1. Is it acceptable to express emotions in public? Give examples of inappropriate expression of emotions.

I usually don't do this unless it creates a positive environment.

I don't take up space talking about negative things from my life.

To me inappropriate is when someone is childishly taking up too much space, killing the vibe of the group without realizing they're doing it.

Another inappropriate use of emotions for me, is when a person does it solely to gratify their desire to be in the center. Such people, I usually fuck with.

2. How do you express your emotions? Can you tell how your expressions affect others in a positive or negative way?

As honestly as possible. I'm not sure how my emotions affect others. I merely know that I try my best to say what's true to me. I do read other people's faces to determine what they feel and adjust what I should tell them accordingly, since I don't like to talk about myself with those who would rather not listen.

3. Are you able to change your demeanor in order to interact with your environment in a more or less suitable way? How do you determine what is suitable?

I would say so.

Suitable, in my opinion, is whatever adds to the enjoyment of the environment around me.

4. In what situations do you feel others' feelings? Can you give examples of when you wanted to improve the mood of others?

When others are sad, it hits me rather easily. Or extremely joyful.

When I want to improve the moods of others, I try to tell them what they wish to hear. Or sometimes I go into my own life stories. Sometimes, I'll just listen.

5. How do others' emotions affect you? How does your internal emotional state correlate or contrast with what you express?

I'm usually deeply unaffected by what others feel. It's either that or I'm still unaware of it? It's possible.

Usually, I express what I feel clearly. Though, I usually cut out the emotions I feel internally while I express them outwardly, because it's likely I'm ashamed internally of being found out as someone who is weak, or can't handle his own emotional stuff.

Meta-analysis:

Insightful. I learned things about myself.

##Section 6

1. How can you tell how much emotional space there is between yourself and others? How can you affect this space?

This depends deeply on what someone shares with me. It also depends on how clearly they're speaking their mind, and how controlled their expressions or their energy are.

I think I can usually affect this by putting others at ease by being non-judgmental. However, I try not to since usually the people I like open right up, and those I don't, are the ones I have to "try" with and I'd rather not.

2. How do you determine how much you like or dislike someone else? How does this affect your relationships?

How much I like someone is deeply affected by how much I feel safe about being myself around them. Speaking about things that I'm uncomfortable talking about.

I also think it's very important to me for the other person to see me as emotional, but capable. I usually need encouragement more than I do solutions.

I think this affects my relationships by making me usually emotionally muted. My emotions aren't up for discussion. And also, I think there's immaturity behind how I take the blows when directed towards my emotional "body." At least, that's what I think is true for now about this area.

3. How do you move from a distant relationship to a close one? What are the distinguishing characteristics of a close relationship?

In close relationships, a sense of "togetherness" develops. It's rather easy for me to create, except, I don't like to do it artificially. Even though if I put my mind to it, I'd do it fairly well.

The distinguishing characteristic of a close relationship for me are respect during vulnerability, belief in each other, understanding, and empathy while giving each other suggestions.

4. How do you know that you are a moral person? Where do you draw your morality from? Do you believe others should share your beliefs on what's moral? Why?

I don't know that I'm moral. I merely try my best to be. I think morality is very, very subjective.

There are cannibalistic tribes in the world. And if killing a human is considered murder, then so shall all the slaughter that happens for us to eat animals, or even plants that feel pain.

I draw my sense of morality from a sense of rightness/goodness or bad/evil about the world. It seems primordial to me, this sense of being moral or amoral, but it works for me. I also refer to the times we live in, the prevailing values are, regardless of being accurate or not, still the way we conduct ourselves as a society. It might not be the best model there is for values, but it is what we have for now.

I don't think others have to share my beliefs on being moral, as long as it doesn't hurt who I am or what I want from this world.

And even in that last sentence, it shows how my morality is as subjective as any other person's. Morality in my opinion comes down to "what hurts me" vs "what doesn't hurt me."

And many of us expand our consciousness to other objects, humans, even nations, therefore feel hurt by their pain.

But I wouldn't necessarily call a person amoral for not choosing to do anything about the state of the world.

Overall, morality is confusing for me. I don't completely understand it. It baffles me, I know it exists, yet I think it doesn't and it's all an imaginary construct.

5. Someone you care about is acting distant to you. How do you know when this attitude is a reflection of your relationship?

I can only know if I ask. All else are my thoughts and beliefs about it.

I prefer to ask. And I try to dig into the answers.

I also watch for behavior, tone of voice, how the other person is speaking about other people in their life, many other such factors.

Meta-analysis:

Again, made me think and dig into aspects of myself I usually don't like to visit.

##Section 7

1. How can you tell someone has the potential to be a successful person? What qualities make a successful person and why?

Their ability to gather information and act on it.

2. Where would you start when looking for a new hobby? How do you find new opportunities and how do you choose which would be best?

I like to DO things. Something that gets my body moving. Something that gets me out of my mind is awesome. Bonus points if it's fun.

3. How do you interpret the following statement: "Ideas don't need to be feasible in order to be worthwhile." Do you agree or disagree, and why?

This really depends.

If your idea is to fly an airplane without wings, I'm not sure why entertain it at all.

Yet, without us thinking about an airplane without wings, we might limit our conception of what's possible to only what we know.

In this regard, I like to keep my mind as wide open as possible.

I read astrology skeptically, and I learn science like it's magic. There's so much to this world that's undiscovered. It's our duty to keep our mind open, even in the face of wild inner skepticism.

4. Describe your thought process when relating the following ideas: swimming, chicken, sciences. Do you think that others would draw the same or different connections?

A chicken swimming in science. How interesting, a nerdy chicken that's a harvard professor and perhaps likes to go for a swim in the afternoons, sips a couple of margeritas while learning about quantum physics.

I don't know. I know I drew this one, lol.

5. How would you summarize the qualities that are essential to who you are? What kind of potential in you has yet to be actualized and why?

I'm tremendous at understanding systems, at implementing systems and being a very thorough thinker who goes to the bottom of the barrel.

My potential around being willful, action-oriented, and also my ability to let go of reason entirely, so I can dive into the world of emotions headfirst are qualities I'm working to develop.

Meta-analysis:

I liked this section. It felt like fun.

##Section 8

1. How do people change? Can you describe how various events change people? Can others see those changes?

People change through direct work, emotional insight, philosophical insight, or through epiphanies.

Whatever changes a person is very personal, and what we know from the external circumstances are merely the precursors.

There are way too many factors involved that change a person. Not to even describe the fleeting thought that might solidify into an intention. One day a person might be an artist, tomorrow, they may be a businessman, and it all starts with different intentions solidifying.

Eventually, change happens in the world of intentions. In the invisible realm of the thin line between the unconscious and the conscious minds, where thoughts exist in a state of limbo until something, and I'm not sure what this something is, jolts them awake, causes that intention to become a dominant intention in someone's mind, and makes them want to act on it.

Until this jolting happens, a 1000 events can happen that should've or could've caused a direct change but didn't.

Eventually it's the solidifying of an unconscioius intention coupled with desire and capability that bring change into a person's life.

2. How do you feel and experience time? Can time be wasted? How?

Time is a flow of sense perceptions solidfying, disintegrating, assembling, becoming, falling apart. Time is for our mortal purposes linear, but it's right now, and it's forever.

From our mortal perspective, yes, time can be wasted. But time is never wasted. Because time is what gives birth to the self-identity that we call ourselves, and so all time does is merely convert our sentient consciousness into different identities, sections of which may awaken or go out at different times which we call life and death. Today I am this person, writing what I'm writing here.

Tomorrow, I'll be another person, forged with different memories to convince me I'm someone else. Time borrows its identity from the space it's currently in touch with, locally, but globally, time is eternity itself and free of all identity and sense perceptions.

3. Is there anything that cannot be described with words? What is it? If so, how can we understand what it is if language does not work?

There is. It's experience.

Experience is its own language. Words are meant to carry experiences, therefore, they're symbols. They're not the experience themselves. Words are packets of information that try to take another person's consciousness to the exact coordinates of your experience. But in doing so they're always doomed to fail and at best you can draw an intersection in two venn diagrams, but an overlap is extremely unlikely because each person's "idea" of what those words mean (experience) is going to be guided by their local identity (who I am right now in time) based on their past perceptions, and so, what they'll think about when you say something is entirely different from what you think about. It's beyond comparable.

We can understand it where language doesn't work by abandoning language.

I can tell you have a cup of coffee. Or I can give you a cup of coffee.

While the coffee I taste is going to still be dramatically different from the coffee you will taste, there will be massive overlaps because now we're looking at the source material (experience) to derive our symbols from.

Therefore, when two people drink coffee, they can both agree its nutty, or has a berry flavor, or other shit.

4. How do you anticipate events unfolding? How can you observe such unfoldments in your environment?

I'm usually good at predicting far ahead in time fairly easily. But I don't try to anymore.

The unfoldment of events is merely about connected intents, or predictable essences of different events.

With humans, the essence is their intentions, with nature, the essence can be the different constants like gravity, vibrations. There's an essence to everything in the universe, if you open up your mind and study things closely, you'll see they all follow a pattern. History repeats itself in reassembled different forms.

The universe in the most macro level - cosmic assemblies of stars, and at the micro level - the human mind, is cyclical in the way it operates. So are humans, and the collective events that are formed up of humans coalescing together into combined intentions that form patterns.

I can tell where something is going to go by looking at where it's been, and where its mind (intent and direction) is. The only difference between me and others is I'm looking at 100s of factors to come to that decision, since intentions collide and eat each other up in the mind, leaving the most dominant ones alive. But you can still spot them.

This where my earlier answer about "what solidifies an intent" comes in. I'm always questioning, but I'm uncannily sure too. It's weird to describe.

5. In what situations is timing important? How do you know the time is right to act? How do you feel about waiting for the right moment?

Timing is always important.

But experience has taught me so is the will to act.

By biding your time, you can act at the right moment.

And by force of will, you can cause time to show up before it is its turn.

They're inseparable. After all, time is just entropy measured. And the will to act can modify entropy.

Thank you for reading through this. I appreciate you taking your time to type me.

If it's an actual thing, which based on probability, it's likely to be, I guess it's down to certain traits sticking around more than others during evolution.

For example: I've noticed a lot of Indians are the Fe/Si types (Alpha quadra), a lot of Brits, Australians and Americans are the Fe/Se types (Beta quadra).

Feel free to differentiate in your answer:

• praise as a motivation
  • as a signifier for a product. ("What you created is awesome!")
  • as a signifier for yourself. ("You are so awesome!")
• praise as an action
  • Enjoyment out of getting praised.
  • Enjoyment out of praising others.

My answer:

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that the only real motivation unconditionally giving me energy is the expectancy of creating something other people will appreciate. I don't like this about myself. In fact, I'd like to believe that I act very independently and never "bow before the hive". In this sense, I have a hard time accepting that outside appreciation strongly motivates me.

However, I'm certain that I always like "my product" (in the widest sense of the word) to be the center of attention. I want people to like my work - them saying that "I'm so funny, smart, etc." is a bonus I don't really care about.

Ironically, in the moments where I am praised, I get a really awkward feeling and like the thing to end asap. Don't get me wrong: Overall I am happy that people liked what I did, but I cannot really enjoy the moment. It gets even worse when I notice that others appreciate my product "the wrong way". I internally despise the person in such moments and don't think they've earned to appreciate it, at all.

I also like to hype things up that others did. I should say: I cannot not hype up what I find fascinating, beautiful, cool, smart, whatever. If something "triggers" me in this sense, I can praise a thing to death, so to speak. Sometimes in a way that shocks the person themselves.

Here's an example of how the expectancy of "creating something of high value" can give me an extremely strong work morale. I remember working in a supermarket throughout school. I was famous in there for doing everything to perfection, correct and fast. This kind of effort is not at all expected in this environment, which pushed me even further.

Conversely, when there is nothing outstanding about my task, or I feel that I am not good enough, I get extremely unmotivated, feel lost, empty, and will procrastinate. In this case, I have 0 energy. Whereas in something like the upper example, the work seems to get done by itself - like in auto pilot - everything falls into place. This either/or energy switch and work morale is probably what holds me back in life the most.

If you have any tips what I could do, I'd be happy to try them!

I sadly don't understand the concept of Fi at all, and I kind of need it to determine my cognitive type, which currently sits between SLE and SEE. How do I tell? What should I look for, what kinds of life experiences make me either an Fi or Ti user?

So I am going to refer to the 4 functions in this post:

Feeling:

• I like harmony, but I also like when it's a bit chaotic. I like raw emotional expression: anger, lust, sadness. I love to bring it out of others and I can provoke this a bit in them by saying things that brings that out of people. I love being yelled at by my husband, for example, because he is very emotionally detached and all his true feelings come out by anger when I get him to this point. (I sound bad I know but we both agreed it is very releasing).
• I am very connected to my own emotions, I am good at verbalizing how I feel about things, but when it comes to actually feeling them deep down inside - I am quite detached. For example; when with people I tend to be very emotional, passionate, especially when it's a topic I care about. But when I am alone I just dont feel any particular feeling like angry/sad/happy. Just... Meh. Unless I am writing my thoughts down.
• I can be emotionally manipulative, for the better or worse. Trying to do this for the better in the past few years and not manipulate others for selfish reasons, but for their own good (like helping a friend understand she needs to stay tf away from her abusive bf or that she is capable of succeeding she just needs to drop a few people who are getting in the way with that for her).
• I am driven by what feels right, most of my decisions are ethics based.

Thinking:

• I gotta have a logical explanation for everything someone tells me. If it doesn't have a good reasoning behind it I won't believe it, even if I see it with my own two eyes, without reasoning I'd just think it's an illusion.
• I hate being questioned on my logic. That's the way to get me hate someone. When they treat me like I am dubm.
• I am not good at practicality very much when acting, but I am good at directing others to work in a more practical way.
• I am good at planning.
• I like challenges and complex topics that I can think about, I am good at math but I don't enjoy it very much, am more into "human logic" rather than "numbers logic".

Sensing:

• I care about what's happening right now. I always question what's going to happen next in the short term.
• I can be overly in tuned to other's body languages and over interpret them.
• I am adaptive and I don't panic when shit happens, even if it's bad (like a life threatening event). I am good at keeping my cool and doing what it's right to survive. (As I said I am a good planner so I often already imagined most of scenarios in my head so I know how to act in real time).
• I don't dress very amazing, I do care about how I look but do not care too much to actually spend lots of money on clothes and stuff I'm gonna wear once and that's it. But when I do buy expensive clothes it has to be something very unique, like a one of a kind dress. Very often I forget to look in the mirror before leaving the house so when I'm in a hurry I can find myself going out with my shirt upside down etc. this is happening since I am a kid.

Intuition:

• it's easy for me to visualize things that I want to happen. When I am depressed that's the first thing.in me that shuts down, the inability to visualize my future or other's.
• I am highly spiritual, but not religious. I sense things that I believe are real, like karma, God, etc. not sure it is really intuition related though.
• I learn complex subjects and concepts pretty easily. I can always tell what's missing and how to perfect things even with little information about the topic. I always things about how to make something that's already existing better.

That's pretty much it. Your help would be appreciated ❤️

I have been typed as EIE by three different people. When taking tests I usually get EII, though I did get IEI on one test based on Gulenko's model. How do I determine which method is the correct one as I feel a bit unsure. I also consider myself an ambivert as I am neither strongly an introvert or an extrovert and find myself fluctuating between the two. Also my mbti type is either INFP or ENFP if that counts for anything. Here is a video of me as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB06Ab4kLWI. I assume that if I am an EIE I would probably be either an ENFP or ENFJ.

i wanted to introduce myself and to ask for advices on typing. My name is Fanny . I’m a trans girl, and after experiencing different degrees of psychological shifts and revelantions in the past years , I was really wondering at this point what my type really is , and what my tendencies have to say about this .I think that after during this ongoing changing process many things feels a little imposed in my mind , like a superposition of attitudes, desires, and views. Recently I founded in the site some interesting set of question that can be useful for introducing myself , and if You found any north in regards to socionics typing I will gladly thank you so much .

What kind of car do you drive, color, make, ,model, year… kick ass stereo? I don’t own a car, never learn how to drive .

What's your hair color, hair style, eye color, skin tone etc..? Brown hair, curled, brown eyes, olive skin. Ethnicity? Latin

Sexual orientation? (e.g. Lone Ranger, Giddy up cowboy, wham bam, thank you ma'am, all the above). A little confused in this regard. Mostly submissive , and passive , with wants for deep and intense energy in sexuality , a certain state of wildness and flux being dominated .

Have you ever, been to church, black mass, a sporting event, a rave, Woodstock, head start class? I’ve been in church in my childhood , it leaved an estrange feeling on me , the rituality and sensory stimulus that accompany the ceremony . I’ve had some gruppie phase in relation to music, occasionally in raves , with some characterized state I enter in that contexts, like a decay in inhibition , being carried away dancing and engaging in excesses.

Do you collect anything? Like what? (e.g. dolls, stamps, baseball cards, hand me down porn mags…eeeew) I collected memories from little trips and day activities that I had with my grandfather, in certain point all of them disappear .

Do you paint, write, draw, write your own music/lyrics, play an instrument, sing, dance? I have a sense of not been able to explore my qualities in art through life , like a latent state in this regard of my own qualities . I have some type of poetic quality in my being , writing in unordered ways poetry and journals . I like movement and it’s relation to the energy states that I feel , some catalysis of moments . In this way I like some aspects of dancing and declaiming, without being able to put them to use in active ways .

What are your sleep patterns (e.g. insomniac, dead to the world, early to bed, early to rise) I always lived at night from the point I left home . My cycles change gradually through the year but I’m mostly a night person , usually sleeping at day .

What do you usually dream about? Nightmares? My dreams were always a very important part for trying to figure out what the world is, in general act like a continuation of day thoughts , mostly without narrative like a kind of reflective dreaming in which there is a continuation of mind patterns but also the possibility for seeing them in physical forms . For example a constant theme with labyrinths and hallways , patterns of nature , and elements intertwined . Like seeing some kind of flow of mind happening in different forms, they feel like eternity , and are very nightmarish in some ways. In my teen years I was mortuary afraid of sleeping suffering very vividly the moments previous to the start of this alternate perception , it’s initial falling , the disappearance and the surge of mode of existence that felt so familiar and disimilar at the same time in relation to the conscious experience .

What is your sexual style? (e.g. I put it on ya, give it to me baby, I'm super freaky). I always have problems for really expressing myself sexually , mostly I need to be in some way ravished or forcefully enter the situation in some ways , like being possessed by another person for then unleashing my inner desire . I lose control of myself in this way and in the past indulged in this .

Who would your celebrity parents be? (e.g. Mother Teresa + James Dean =, Madonna + Lil Wayne =… choose as many as you like. Perhaps Medea and some type of nosferatu?

Financial status? (e.g. my paper stacks so high when I look down on ya, all I see is the top of your head, skid row baby, now pass me that bottle, or anywhere in between.). I’m not very well for financially manage my life , but I have some willingness for going through difficulties and finding comfort , even without the support of figures In my life

Any deep, dark secrets? I try to live in connection with the dark aspects of the mind , perhaps there is a continuos coming and going between wanting to retreat and cholerically advance . I needed freedom to be who I am , but at the same time there is a sense of dispersion always present . With time I managed to live with this too, but deep down I always feel an obliterated energy manifesting in different creative and destructive ways .

If stranded on a desert island what three things would you need to survive? (e.g. my partner, my dog, my bible, my straightening iron, my vibrator) Perhaps it’s a little corny , and surely I know that my survival skills in a practical ways are scarce , so I probably choose a partner , and that the decision of the other items rely on the better judgement of other person around this type of issues .

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Typology, mostly socionics is highkey stuck in my brain and became a main system to classify and to explain people’s behaviours. Not just to full types but and mostly to dichotomies and quadras too.

Hi guys,

I found this graph.

According to it, wouldn't an ESE be better suited for an EII than an LSE ?

Because they ESE makes other people win and an LSE makes other people lose (although slightly) ?

The EII loses and suffers enough already ??

Thank you in advance

Edit : here's the graph

some of the stuff ill say will not really make sense, but im here for yall to tell me about it.

im M18. probably too early for now to get typed but it was a good way to get to know myself deeper. since around 15-16 years ive been typed as an ESFP by majority of the tests and people around me - however, some descriptions of ESFP really didnt fit me at all (and extrovertness in general - i was sociable and pretty charismatic, but the first thing in my own mind was ME, MY feelings, MY ego and etc.) i didnt care about it mostly cuz i took my ESFP-ishness for a fact and lived with it for some time.

however, recently i moved out and noticed big changes in my behaviour - first of all, i stopped putting on some "mega charming guy" persona and started acting based on how i just feel (for example, avoiding the people i dont feel like talking to, even though earlier i wouldve present myself as an extremely social and warm individual) - a guess of mine - this could happen because i found a girlfriend on a new place and i didnt need social approval anymore. ive talked about it with some people and it made me think that i could actually be an introvert (ISFP).

yesterday i went to the socionics club and after chatting for a while, around 80% people agreed on me being an IEI - they said i fit all the functions and give off such vibe in general. now this wouldn't be bothering me if IEI wasnt equal to INFP in MBTI (important moment - do these typologies really differ so much? i know they shouldn't be compared, but damn - IEI fits me 100%, INFP doesn't, so that put me into confusion). i could've seen myself as ISFP, but INFP? ive never even considered it. however, after thinking about all of that i realised i KINDA posses intuitive quialities.

basically, im confused. if someone could help me figure this out - ill be very grateful

could ADHD affect the mistype? or could it be that a person can be an ISFP in MBTI and IEI in socio?

also, fun thing ive noticed. the first time i took the test (i was 12, lmao, i was an INFP too. maybe thats just a coincidence but who knows)

I hate the fact that I physically exist. I wish I didn't have a body.
I wish I existed just as a soul-like entity .
I hate the fac that my body touches anything. I hate wearing clothes. I hate having to take care of this mass of flesh (eating, sleeping..ect)

What type/placement of IME could corrolate with this?

How do I tell between SLE and ILE? Is an SLE actually capable of abstract thinking or is it not possible? I'm suspecting myself of being an SLE, but I'm never quite sure.

Heres my gift to you

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=o1v9t4WEd8U&feature=shared

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tei_Shi

Static, evolutionary, positivist, Si suggestive, Fe mobilizing

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=mfha0a8IXKs&feature=shared

The problem is not with V. Gulenko himself - it's with some who claim to have been his students (current or past) and some others who claim to adhere to his system.

These people regularly give TEXT-based typings over Reddit and other forums, often based on just a few sentences of text. Sometimes they claim their typings are "obvious" and such, to boot. This is false confidence. You can't accurately type someone by text alone, and you especially shouldn't be claiming your TEXT typing is vErY oBvIoUs or such bullshit. Moreover, text-based typing is NOT aligned with Gulenko's own diagnostic methods! Gulenko acknowledges that people behave differently in different contexts and at different distances due to situational adaptions. But y'all act like people behave exact same on Reddit/online versus real life. There are massive differences - when I see online posts from my real life friends, they're almost unrecognizably different.

If you're typing someone over reddit, especially if you think their typing is so OBVIOUS, you're probably seeing their situational adaptions and mistaking this for their core type. The true core type is rarely OBVIOUS and especially not via TEXT alone.

These people are destroying Gulenko's credibility - well, they're destroying their own credibility first and foremost, but because they reference and associate themselves with Gulenko, they also destroy Gulenko's credibility.