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Every new mouth needs more biodiverse lands converted to monoculture.

Sometimes the bitter truth is the only solution in the long run. To all the liberals and leftists who claim they value equality and human rights, you need to wake up and see how big corporations want poor countries to stay overpopulated and poor. How are you going to promote worker's rights when the workforce overwhelms job availability? Even if you are the nicest CEO or business owner, you can't hire every qualified candidates. Most qualified candidate will have to get the short end of the stick. You can have whatever government system installed and scream "revolution" all you want, it will not change the fact most people in the upcoming generation will be jobless no matter how many college degrees they get. When there are too many people in the world, individual rights and equal opportunities will no longer matter. When too many people have been competing too long, they lose their sense of empathy. Even if you can get rid of every billionaire and wealth person, you will still get the same result. When you let the population grow beyond the sensible number, nothing will ever be fair for anyone again.

Currently, most middle class millennials and Gen Zs will probably have to rent or live with their parents for the rest of their lives. If we already have all these problem with 8 billion people, what is going to happen when we reach 10 billion? If your solution for the housing and hunger crisis is to destroy more natural habitat, then what separates you from a god fearing alt-right Republican who denies climate change and hates women's right to their body? Don't even start with the "we need more people to solve our problems" argument. Most of our current problems are due to too many people on this planet in the first place.

I would like to express myself as directly as possible.

India is the most populated country in the world at the moment.

India needs a one-child policy RIGHT NOW.

It is time for us to REALLY put our familial needs aside for the time being.

Even if the issues that arise out of this do not affect you directly, please, please, think about them.

You be hearing the same people saying things like “yeah we can fit everyone on earth in Texas, therefore there is no such thing as overpopulation!” They completely ignore the fact that everyone has to consume resource and produce waste. Too many people on this planet, regardless of citizenship status, will put a huge strain on the environment. You need to destroy more natural habitat to build more houses and make room for farms. The destruction of biodiversity will be irreversible. Consequently, this will screw up earth’s natural recycling processes. No amount of imaginary monoply money can fix that. At that point, all we gonna get in the end is over 10 billion people living in absolute misery. The truth is there is still time to prevent all that if population growth remain stable. The so called “population collapse” is more like popultjon stabilization. Some people are just mad about “population collapse” because they cant treat women like baby incubators like the “good old days”. The people who want every family to have 5 or more kids dont see women or children as people.

If population growth can explode in some of the poorest regions on earth, then human population will overshoot well beyond 11 or 12 billion if the government encourage more reproduction. It looks like both sides of the political spectrum are using "population collapse" to scare people into supporting their agenda. The right wingers aim to take away reproductive rights so they can finally achieve their theocratic wet-dream. The left tries to use "population collapse" to promote more government spending on child-bearing and childcare. Both political camp want the population to explode while ignoring the devastating consequences.

... Or "face disaster" are alarmists with zero substance. Every time they are confronted, you could go point by (vague, overblown) point and refute every single one of them with a viable, workable solution. They don't care. They are impervious to logic or reason. They insist population must continue increasing not because they really believe in what they say, because if they thought about it for a nano-second, they'd realize the only reason why we have such large "aging" populations now is because people in the past used the same "logic": "just keep growing and let the future generations deal with it. Not our problem."

These growthists insist on this lie most likely because they want to have a boatload of kids and want to feel morally justified in doing so -- like they're "maintaining the [health of the] economy" by doing what they already wanted to do anyway... These are the "sleeper agents" the always-grow-no-matter-what propaganda works best on. These people don't even know they're "sleeper agents", which is the saddest part. They also insist they're "thinking for themselves" even though it's uncanny how identical the words they use are to all the mainstream articles about this topic. They repeat the same (hollow, substance-less) talking points word-for-word. Not only do they not think for themselves, they have someone else think for them about a topic they already decided they don't want to think too closely about because it might turn out that their desire to have six (or more) kids isn't compatible with creating a healthy world for them and their descendants to live in.

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Population growth has increased 5x since 1900

I repeat: 5x population growth in only a century and 24 years. This is not healthy and not sustainable long term for our own environment.

“Saying “it’s only consumption, it’s not the number of people that counts” is like saying “the area of a rectangle is determined only by its width, not by its length”. Certainly, consumption is a big problem. So is population size. The two multiply together to give you your impact on your life support systems.”

https://populationmatters.org/quotes/

Two or three years ago, most Canadians would've scoff at the idea of "overpopulation". In 2024, most Canadians would agree with the things that are said on this sub. National Bank of Canada literally stated that Canada is in a "population trap" which occurs when overpopulation impede economic growth. If the rest of the world doesn't learn from Canada, then there is no hope for a better future.

Its population went from just 220 Million in 1950 to 1460 Million today and is expected to reach some 4 Billion by 2100. So many people - so quickly - are a destabilizing force for the continent as well as other continents.

Many people here whine about overconsumption - while not caring about this elephant in the room. But the amount of new people being born there is far more concerning than anything else.

There is no humane way to solve this crisis. When climate change famines really start to be felt, much of the continent will sink into chaos and hundreds of Millions will try to get to other continents. If these dont defend themselves they will be swept away by the flood.

Population growth in Africa could quickly become the most pressing and dangerous event in the 21st century.

Nature been evolving for billions if years. And when a creatures environment has been changed. It will naturally evolve to be better suited towards it. So all we have to do is just wait until we evolve to better deal with the changing climate. Am I missing something?

The reason why the most wasteful, resource-hungry regions of the world still has a growing population, despite below-replacement fertility.

We have become a cancerous growth. Cursed to forever grow, lest we perish.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-factory-boomtowns-fear-far-right-anti-immigration-policies-hamper-growth/

My worst nightmares have come true. Traffic congestion is getting serious in villages, towns, and small cities. Many cities are facing Serious water shortages. Places get more crowded.

Everything is getting expensive. Employment is getting harder ( Upcoming AI will make it worse) .

There is no room for error. And no future for the average and under performers. No fresh air to breathe. Everything is polluted.No land left for houses.

But no human addresses the problem and hence the population is yet increasing.

I have an environmental background and can’t help but occasionally bring up overpopulation. Generally when someone starts talking about the rate we are using natural resources or how low population growth in certain developed nations is hurting the economy.

The problem is either:

A) I make people depressed as fuck and kill the mood.

B) If someone has kids or wants kids they sometimes take it as a personal attack. I have a kid and that fact appears to wind some people up even more.

Over the last six months I pretty much stopped bringing it up and when pushed on the matter I just say my views are pretty bleak and don’t want to share.

And the overall intelligence of our world continues to decrease as dolts such as this are allowed to reproduce.

As a father of 3, I am reluctant to discuss overpopulation. I don’t regret my children, I’ve just come to realize this issue in the last few years. I know ecological overshoot is the overarching predicament but I don’t think I have a say somehow since I have children.

What are some practical ways we can all contribute to depopulation? We can vote for policies that discourage reproduction, such as providing financial incentives for sterilisation or implementing population control measures.

Individually when we speak to others in real life or online we can promote antinatalist philosophies and encouraging people to choose not to have children.

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Have you felt overpopulation in South Korea as well?

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I am a South Korea nationality, and I feel that South Koreans are generally overpopulation deniers and have a lot of ethnic natalists.

We have a billionaire, who is probably the most influential person in the world, telling people to have kids, which somehow (without any explanation) equates to "saving the world". 😂 He probably thinks he's Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne. I think he's more like Lex Luthor and Alpha from the Walking Dead, a total sociopath.

Question: How many liberals or leftists still have respect for him? Nowadays the only people who likes him are rightists and white supremacists.