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Mesopotamia is a name for the area of the Tigris–Euphrates river system, which corresponds to modern-day Iraq, Kuwait, the northeastern section of Syria and to a much lesser extent southeastern Turkey and smaller parts of southwestern Iran.

This subreddit is for discussing history and archaeology related to all civilisations that inhabited the Mesopotamian region before the Muslim Conquests in the 7th century AD.

Welcome to /r/Mesopotamia! The subreddit is for discussing history and archaeology related to all cultures that inhabited the Mesopotamian region before the Muslim Conquests in the 7th century AD.

Post away if you have anything fitting those themes.


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Age of Empires Mobile if it was good

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2024/12/01
12:18 UTC

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SUMERIAN TEMPORAL CLAUSE

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2024/11/28
08:34 UTC

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Trying to revive ancient Akkadian and Mesopotamian traditions

Hello everyone! I am an Iraqi Arab trying to revive the Akkadian language, my idea is to document and learn the language using transliteration, finding cognates similar to Arabic words and inventing non-existent words similar to how it was done with modern Hebrew, and using the Neo-Aramaic alphabet as a substitute for cuneiform (nobody is going to learn that easily). Since everyone living here is a native Semitic speaker, I think it is going to be quite easier than some expect. I need help finding dictionaries, records and any info about this language, any help is appreciated, thanks in advance!

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2024/11/27
21:36 UTC

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Scythian conquest of 652 BCE

Anyone else find it interesting that this happened on a lunar eclipse? Seems to me the Scythians were guided by the stars, or astrologists of their time. Scythians had warrior queens…as we enter the age of Aquarius today it is important to note the time of the female warrior has returned. Now, all you men can advise me in the comments 🤣

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2024/11/22
03:44 UTC

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An Incantation against Anxiety in Akkadian

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2024/11/19
17:00 UTC

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Crown

Hey there. I'm working on a kind of costplay (in a scientific manner). I try to recreate the clothes of a mesopotamian king (namely Gilgamesh). First I had problems finding anything about the matter but a doctor from the LMU Munich helped me out. I found out which kind of clothes they wore and decided for a yellow closed "wrap-around garment". But the headgear is the real problem now. I won't use the crown with the horns I often saw but a kind of crown that is somewhat similar to a fez. But now I need to recreate it and I seem unable to find out what this kind of crown was made of. I read something in one of my sources about a word used for braiding baskets but also used for hair and crowns. But a pure braided crown seems to be a bit too simple for royal headgear. Has anyone an idea?

Here examples for the hats with horns and the ones I mean

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2024/11/18
10:59 UTC

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Quick question: is there any art books based on Mesopotamian or even Sumerian culture? • [Book recommendations.]

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2024/11/16
14:23 UTC

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Mesopotamian cloth and Agal?

I noticed that in some depictions of the Mesopotamians, they wear headbands [like the Arab Agal], and I am not able to discern whether or not they are wearing cloth under them:

https://preview.redd.it/tsjn6oxih61e1.jpg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d27c64c46878fc3cb6a2fd670d5f7502622fa40d

Like this depiction above, I don't know if those ridges on the top of his head are patterns of a sort of ghutra/turban being worn under the headband, or if that's just his hair. There is also this:

https://preview.redd.it/p28drzmqh61e1.jpg?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77bb1afaf473b626397f3a6ac1edfad9bcd24103

There seems to be no style of whatever is above the headband, so maybe that is a cloth being worn like a Ghutra and Agal? And this depiction of Hammurabi [or maybe Gilgamesh?]:

https://preview.redd.it/vk549hivh61e1.jpg?width=208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfcb6e687da3484856ff11bcd8e0cb841fb432d0

Those ridges below the headband doesn't look like hair to me.

So did they wear a sort of proto-Ghutra and Agal?

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2024/11/16
02:59 UTC

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How accurate is the claim that the Persians "saved" and "freed" the Babylonians from their own tyranny?

This is a theme in the Cyrus Cylinder and other Neo-Babylonian accounts, but the problem is that this DEFFINETLEY sounds like some Persian propaganda, due to its savior complex.

We were given this idea that, after conquering Babylon, the Persians never raided, never slaughtered, never corrupted, etc. How true is this looking at the sources for the Persian conquest?

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2024/11/13
15:40 UTC

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I've created Herodotus : an app to learn history through bite-sized lessons and games

Hi everyone!
I'm excited to share the latest improvements to my app, Herodotus, which is designed to make learning history fun and engaging through interactive quizzes and lessons. I aimed to create something like Duolingo, but for history enthusiasts.

With the app, you can play quizzes in the "Challenges" section, explore longer lessons in the "Long Lesson" section, and review previous questions every day, following a "spaced repetition" principle. It's currently available on the website and for Android on Google Play.

As the app is still young and light, I'm hoping to gather feedback to help improve it. I'd love to hear any thoughts on the user experience, and I’m especially interested in ideas for future quizzes or lessons. If you enjoy learning through history quizzes and want a fun way to explore historical facts and events, please give it a try! Any feedback or suggestions would be amazing as I work to make Herodotus the go-to app for history learning.

Thank you to everyone who gives it a go – I really appreciate it!

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2024/11/11
15:32 UTC

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Books about Mesopotamian architecture in general

Hi everyone ! As stated in the title, i'm searching for books about ancient Mesopotamian architecture specifically. My researches have been vain for the moment, so i'm asking you now if anybody has a recommendation, thank you !

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2024/11/11
14:02 UTC

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Family tree of the Akkadian Empire's royal dynasty founded by King Sargon of Akkad, c. 2334–2154 BCE

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2024/10/07
17:05 UTC

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Mesopotamian languages

The great Mesopotamian language (𒍜𒅴 𒀝𒅗𒁺𒌑(𒌝) - Lishanum Akkaditum), also known as Akkadian, emerged in Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) around 3000 BCE and continued until 500 BCE. Its academic and liturgical (religious) use persisted until 100 CE. It spread to become the official language of the Fertile Crescent and large parts of Western Asia and North Africa, and it is classified within the group of West Asian (Semitic) languages. Akkadian is the mother tongue of the Mesopotamians, and all Mesopotamian languages originated from it. Over the centuries, this language influenced the peoples of the region and the entire world, remaining in use for more than 3,100 years.

However, the Amorites (𒀀𒈬𒊒𒌝 - Amurrum), who were referred to as the "Westerners," had the greatest impact on the mother language of Mesopotamia (Akkadian). The Amorites were an ancient Semitic-speaking people from the Bronze Age. They first appeared in Sumerian records around 2500 BCE and expanded to rule most of the Levant, all of Mesopotamia, and parts of Egypt from the 21st century BCE to the late 17th century BCE. One of their most renowned and famous emperors was Hammurapi (𒄩𒄠𒈬𒊏𒁉), who ruled from approximately 1792 to 1750 BCE. Since their occupation of Babylon and Assyria, changes began to appear in the Assyrian and Babylonian dialects of Mesopotamia. This gradual fundamental change continued from the beginning of their rule over Mesopotamia, around 2000 BCE, until 1600 BCE. Their influence reached its peak during the Old Babylonian period when they established their capital in Babylon and ruled much of southern Mesopotamia. This change in the language of Mesopotamia led to the emergence of new languages, such as Mandaic, Syriac, and others (Hatran, Talmudic, and Arabic). There is no scientific evidence to support the claim by biblical archaeologists that the Mandaic and Syriac languages are Aramaic dialects; rather, they are languages of Akkadian origin that were significantly influenced by the language of the Amorite occupiers. This is exactly what happened to the English language.

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2024/09/28
15:21 UTC

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Assyria: The Rise and Fall of an Ancient Empire

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2024/09/19
10:52 UTC

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A Massive 2700-Year-Old, 18-Ton Statue Of An Assyrian Deity That Was Excavated In Iraq In November 2023

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2024/09/10
14:00 UTC

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Hello, I am doing a research paper for my school. Any good resources I could use?

It's about the culture of Mesopotamia

any help is appreciated

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2024/08/29
01:54 UTC

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Looking for Illustrated Book

Hi!

Could anyone point me towards books in English that are similar to this:
https://www.zinnfigur.com/en/Books-Media/Book-series/Military-history/Heere-Waffen/Schertler-O-text-Lunyakov-S-illustrations-Die-Heere-im-Alten-Orient.html

I already know about the Osprey books, but the ones I found all have the illustrations separate from the text, in the back of the book, which I find less useful and more bothersome to use.

I'm looking for books about ancient Mesopotamian civilizations (Sumeria, Akkadia, Babylon, etc.) with large amounts of colored illustrations of clothing, armor, weapons and buildings.
The linked book is mainly about military, but I'd be happy if someone could recommend one about the working, regular people and their clothing as well.

The colored illustrations would be important because I'd like to use the books as reference for illustrations and character design.

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2024/08/27
06:12 UTC

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Research Source Concerning Gilgamesh

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2024/08/26
20:43 UTC

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Ancient Tablets Foretold Doom Awaiting Babylonian Kings

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2024/08/25
19:02 UTC

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Sumerian language being taught in northeastern Syria

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2024/08/24
16:25 UTC

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Cuneiform?

I found this alleged “Near East” antique online and I am considering buying it for an Assyrian friend. It looks to me (I know nothing) to be pre-Islamic (non-Arabic) script and perhaps cuneiform. Does anyone recognise the type of writing, could it be cuneiform?

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2024/08/19
04:28 UTC

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Why is Iraq not credited with Mesopotamian history by historians, but every other country are credited with their ancient cultures?

I have always heard from both laymen and historians, in documentaries or otherwise, refer to past civilizations in Egypt as "Egyptian" or "Ancient Egyptian" and Aztecs and Mayans as "Mexico". But I rarely hear Mesopotamian civilization being referred to as "ancient Iraqi", and I always see that people make a strict distinction between Iraq and Mesopotamia, when it isn't so much the case for everywhere else. Why is that? Why do people have such a hard time admitting that Mesopotamia is Iraq?

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2024/08/16
20:54 UTC

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How many Babylonian ships would 30,000 people fill?

Hello! I'm writing a fantasy novel that takes place in ancient Babylon (and also other ancient civilizations are present). Due to plot reasons and my -kinda- wild imagination I want to create my own Exodus story -sort of-, but with a catch - Instead of the wilderness they'll wander around in the sea. I want to get acquainted with the nuances - How many ships we need, how easy will it be for ships to communicate with eachother or deliver messages, what dangers they might get across etc. The amount of people that are migrating is between 20,000 and 30,000. I'd really appreciate if someone could help!

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2024/08/03
16:30 UTC

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What where the tablet's found in the White Temple about?

I've found a couple articles regarding the Anu Ziggurat who have mentioned 19 gypsum tablets. Does anybody know anything about the contents of the tablets, beyond, "temple accounting," which multiple of these articles seem to parrot?

**Edit: It's very late; I meant to type, "were," in the title.

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2024/07/28
04:06 UTC

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Assassin's Creed Mirage: In-game Baghdad vs. Real Life

AC: Mirage is a fantastic representation of Baghdad during the Golden Age. This video shows a direct comparison between the game and real life.

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2024/07/24
19:38 UTC

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