Based on what we know of their abilities so far, how would you compare them?

I wonder if Surya is starting to regret not answering summons from Saha during the Cataclysm

Raw:

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dO-aapZfD95JaHZnx0z9drdfDiqh5e_IRhMEOldq7RM

Just finished watching arcane episode 7 and I couldn’t stop thinking if some shit like that happens to Yuta and Leez I’ll cry so much, pls,pls currygom give them a happy ending 😭😭😭😭

Currently reviewing for a Board Exam and I wanna go back to reading some things I haven’t touched in years. I want to catch-up on Kubera but I’ve already re-read the thing twice in the past and I don’t think I have the time to re-read it a third time to remember all the things that happened…

Any tips?

Somehow I missed it on the first read, but Garuda and Airavata-Kinnara (who I will call Kinnara for simplicity henceforce) are clearly up to some sneaky things.

During the Fiendish Magic Incident arc, Garuda comes to save Vinata and Akasha from Kinnara when she gains the advantage in the fight and is on the verge of killing them. It's revealed that Garuda and Kinnara worked on a plan together so grand and secretive that not even Akasha and Vinata are aware or would even be able to comprehend. In this plan, Garuda asked Kinnara for her help since Garuda "set the strongest race as [his] enemy", that race likely referring to the god realm.

Garuda also took a role in their plan she was originally going to do, to make up for the fact that his #2 and 3 attempted to kill her. I'm not sure what this could be.

My theories on this:

• The plan's goal is at the very least, against the god realm and the primevals that lead them (Brahma and Vishnu). Besides the fact that the gods are the strongest race, both Garuda and Kinnara lost important things in the Beginning.
  • Kinnara was:
    • Given a flawed name by the primevals to pave the way to Airavata becoming King, who would lead the Kinnaras in the best possible universe.
    • Manipulated by Brahma and Ravana into believing she needed to kill Airavata
    • Regardless of whether the above is true or not, this is what Kinnara believes based on her conversation with Kubera and Yama
  • Garuda's first love Taraka was erased as a mistake and well, he just loves her a lot
  • Garuda having Yuta with Kali, or at least his involvement with Kali may be intentional. Beside helping in creating Yuta himself, Garuda may have gained some information in exchange
    • Kali being able to control Yuta's body and Garuda being able to control Maruna's body may be the same mechanism, likely related to sharing names (since Yuta's name may be Kali and Maruna's name is almost definetly Garuda)
  • When Aruna was sent on a lone planet to grow in safety, it was done at the advice of Kinnara who did the same for Shess. It's probably not a coincidence. Kinnara and Garuda were likely already actively advising each other and may have been trying to achieve the same thing with Shess and Aruna.
    • I don't know what that would be, but I assume Shess is also expected to be a Rakshasa that can surpass nastikas, like Maruna
    • We also know that in the university of possibility that Lorraine did not kill Leny despite her being a vessel because she and Shess were critical to the future to the Kinnara clan.
    • Side Note: Akasha and Vinata believed Kinnara snitched on Aruna and got him killed, but seeing as Garuda was completely unbothered, it's probably not the case. Especially when Ananta suggested to Maruna that the culprit was someone who could meddle with Time
  • Kinnara and Garuda both show great interest in accepting the Taraka clan
    • When accused by Asura for being a madman who cares more for his love than his clan, Garuda says that the Garudas being dead (mostly killed by Tarakas) is a matter of perspective, implying acceptance. Who knows, maybe he wants to take over the Taraka clan...
    • Airavata-Kinnara was also interested in re-accepting Tarakafied suras back into society and only seemed to backed off to stay with the consensus.
  • Multiple times, Kinnara has been characterized as "neutral, but is she really?" character. Leez also observes that there's some motive about Kinnara that she can't grasp that is neither for her personal gain or her role as a King. Because of this, I'd like to re-examine Kinnara's actions in terms of "ostensibly neutral for the purpose of hiding a greater plan"
    • Kinnara played a strong role in protecting Yuta throughout the story while other nastikas seek to kill him. If her and Garuda were colluding, this could very much be a favor to him or a part of their plan
    • Kinnara was always on good terms with the higher ups of the dragon clan, especially Taksaka, and still seems favored by Vrita, who protects Yuta the most consistently
    • To support this further, when Kinnara arrives with Hanuman and the other nastikas, Vrita fights all the other nastikas, but completely ignores Kinnara. This may indicate that he believes she has no intention of actually killing Leez
  • Kinnara just happened to be in possession of the Black Sword, which belongs to Garuda, so he gave it to her for some purpose
  • Side note, but Garuda and Kinnara were both characters that were aware of the existence of Time schenanigans. Kinnara was eavesdropping on a conversation between Time (in the form of Rao) and the planetary gods, and Garuda condemned Ananta for destroying possibilities and free will.

Something like "the part where Maruna mpregged Ran was peak fiction" as an example

Round 1 : Asta vs Grid (overgeared)

Round 2 : Maruna (5 Stage Kubera) vs Grid

Rules : -No restriction -First to die win

Edit: I reread even more kubera so I am kind of sure where the story is heading. Some things here are not quite correct.

Rereading Kubera (not done yet) and here are my thoughts

• Leez will gain the power of Ananta and become the new time axis. This is already guaranteed at this point in the story because as we see from Ananta, once the time axis is set, it’s impossible to escape
• Nobody, including Vishnu can see what happens beyond that point. This is why he is moved when he sees Ran desperate to return to the future Vishnu no longer exists in. and why Kubera and Agnis insight can’t see how it ultimately ends.
• The time travel arc was completely set up by time Leez. This also means she is the one responsible for collapsing the universe of possibility, for saving ghandarva and menaka, for giving Maruna a chance, etc. this goes into the part of forgiving all her enemies. Also, every single character who is not aware of her as Time at this point is not the one who will be with her until the end because this is her end.
• if I had to guess, the one who will be with her to the end is Rao but still not sure
• Leez is not walking the path of Vishnu or Brahma, but is like a benevolent Kali in the sense that when testing Maruna, she always leaves the final decision and agency to him. In contrast Brahma will force a outcome by her end (killing the ancient humans herself when Maruna refused to choose) and Vishnu will sacrifice all possibilities to force a future
• This is one of the unique qualities of Leez that Kali did not expect and showed her respect for. It was because of this quality Kali failed to manipulate Leez into killing Asha. In her words, Leez made a decision to respect the path of the one in the past, and by extension, respects the agency of the creations of the universe itself beyond that of the creator
• Leez’s entire existence (personality, power, etc) was designed from the beginning to become the new time axis and replace Ananta and perpetuate the universe. As we see in the side story with Ananta, this is a depressing lonely existence and the ones who want Leez dead (Kaz, Kubera) are the ones who pity her the most.
• Kali’s interference by placing Asha in the game disrupted this plan, but not in a way that could change her becoming the Time axis and in fact reinforced it many ways by making her more self-sacrificing and risk-taking
• the largest unintended consequence of Kali’s interference compared to her original life was that Leez became broken and isolated to the point of only having Yuta and fell irrationally in love with him. This directly leads to her valuing all possibilities as much as the true universe. This is unlike Vishnu who valued a single best possible future more than any of the possibilities. This unintended consequence is also why Kali rewards Leez for showing deep affection for Yuta, because Leez shows Kali something Vishnu didn’t plan.
• Kali was never satisfied with how the universes were destroyed since she felt Vishnu foresaw them all, so she even delays the destruction of the universe by rewarding Leez. Remember, Kali is not the goddess of destruction but of chaos. She hates the universe because it’s a machine that only gives the outcome Vishnu wants/expects and may be willing to extend it if its very nature changes.
• Leez has Ananta’s soul. Airavata’s soul was returned to the cycle of reincarnation and went to Leny because it was separated from the name of a nastika via the spear and therefore never had to go to the 0th dimension. Ananta was killed via the same mechanic, so his soul returned to the cycle of reincarnation. In addition, she has many of Anantas personality traits and it is proven by the Teo-Menaka arc that Nastika souls also contain their personality.
• If Leez does have ananta’s soul, then considering Ananta told Maruna he is sparing him to kill all beings related to time to break the cycle, at which all of Ananta will disappear, I would say that Ananta wants Maruna to kill Time Leez somehow
• Kubera treasures and maybe even loves Leez
• Ancient humans with resentments were ground up and turned into the universe itself. The universe itself make up the nature of astikas themselves. Suras can consume the universe itself as vigor. The shadowy figures that sometimes control Ran are the resentments of the universe itself that he consumes in sura form. Reading the dialogue of Ran’s mother during emotional resonance, the emotional resonance was caused by the king(s) being overwhelmed by the universe’s resentment
• Manasvin loved Sagara more than anything. Multiple times, he gives her the option to stop the resurrection. Sahara’s observation that he loves her more than she can ever understand is literal.
• if I had to guess, the ideal Kings for each clan ( the ones that have enough info) in the original best possible future that no longer exists were Airavata or Shess (hence why Kinnaras name was manufactured with a flaw to bring her down), Menaka or reformed Ghandarva, Vasuki (saved by Taksaka with Vishnus help during the Ananta killing campaign)
• The technology developed by the ancient humans to fight the suras was an energy that had the ability to extend the range of magic and had been rediscovered by Lorraine. She used it to power the car that Asha eventually exploded. When Brilith and Agni investigate the site of Asha’s Hoti Vishnu, they recognize the energy and realize the energy extended the range of Hoti Vishnu.
• in total, the players in this game are Brahma, Ananta, Vishnu, Kali, Chandra, and Kubera which each represent different visions for the universe, while Asha is a sort of tool gone free agent. Chandra also loses when his card (Laila) betrays him and Laila becomes a card of Brahma. Kubera, Kali, and Vishnu are now all fighting over the card of Leez. Leez and Ananta may be fighting over Maruna, as Ananta intends for Maruna to kill Leez.
• I think the story is pointing to Kubera ultimately winning, but I feel like there may be a wild card end regarding who takes leez’s existence
• The End that devours the world aka Yuta true nature may not be some unintended consequence of the universe but an intentional design to end the universe in a situation where none of the primeval gods are present to end it anymore. It’s hard to see these control freaks (esp Brahma) being ok with the possibility of a perpetual universe they can no longer exist in, so the whole system of resentments may also be intentional as a failsafe
• the ownership of the Sword of Re functions similar to Yakshas heart. So Kubera of a different timeline pulled it at the test, then dropped Leez and the Sword of Re off at a location where the current Kubera was. He then leaves the timeline and the sword of re loses its owner. Leez then awakens and pulls it.
• Agni and Kubera both believe that Yuta has the ability to truly love and spared him in the early days because of this

Raw:

https://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail?titleId=131385&no=669&week=thu

Script translation by BKS:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yWnfutQOIFormLjDT76y6M54JG4IfQhFsTvR21ayigY

In S3 341, Sagara says:

'That which was once Manasvin' made the choice himself. Handed over the power to Asha, and disappeared.

Why does Manasvin do this? Was this actually explained or is it a mystery? I mean my current theory is that Leez's has Ananta's soul and Manasvin perhaps figures it out so decides to... die? Idk that sounds a bit convoluted though.

Hello, I want to know other people's thoughts on kubera

What is your power ranking on the main characters right now? i think mine will be something like this (they are not restricted by human realm / priest):

1. Yuta
2. Agni
3. Maruna / Ran (But he does not last that much in that form)
4. Ran (But he does not last that much in that form) / Maruna
5. Asha/Kubera/Sagara
6. Kubera/Asha/Sagara
7. Sagara/Kubera/Asha
8. Brillith
9. Leez
10. Gandhavra
11. -If leez has the sword of RE and the golden knight she can probably kill sagara and fight with asha and kubera properly...
12. -Im not that sure about Maruna and Ran overpowering Asha or Kubera because the last Asha that we seen was an Asha without that much of Ananata's power, and as the last episode show us, she has a incredible high trascendental level, and the last thing that we see about GK was the whole sura realm thing, he was probably the no.2 Astika after Agni and he shows a lot of feats too... But we can't be sure about GK power right now and the last matchup that we see between Maruna and Asha was 1 second long because maruna obliterate Asha xD.
13. - Even when she is a High level Nastika Sagara seems to be a type of Nastika with very high good stats and very low bad stats (Leez just oneshoted her by going melee? Really?) -I think that Yuta is no.1 because umm... If he reach 4th stage he just eat everything? including FUCKING VRITRA? -I think that Ran overpower the ones behind him, but the sura-ran state seems to not longer that much because of lifespan and the use of vigor is high, so we can say that if he wants can kill them but if not maybe he is at the level of Brilith or even a bit higher? (He is a beast pyshically anyways but Brillith have the staff of Agni so... its a complicated matchup).
14. iirc they say that gandhavra is right now something like a high level 4th stage rakhsasha? Leez can beat one 4th stage rakhsasha for sure

Raw:

https://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail?titleId=131385&no=668&week=thu

Script translation by BKS:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ibfYxxCFq5paLmiVah_0dOKT8N8FUhUFO-aAF27FsHo/

Guys, this is not a theory, more like a feel / wish. Dont you think that Yuta begin the first Sura to reach "Enlightment" to restrain him for his "cursed love" so he can help Leez but taking away his feelings to Leez until she becomes Time-Leez or something like that would be an amazing and also tragic way to drive the path of Yuta as a character? I would really love if something like this happens, because yuta as a character itself is kinda stacked since S2, only having little momments between arcs until now, and more like a way to show character develop or actions of other characters (Leez, Maruna, Kali) rather than developing himself... Sorry for bad english btw

[Spoilers for S3 up til Kubera & Kubera]

I've wanted to know for a while more about the apparent weaknesses that each transcendental/magic attribute has with every other type, but I haven't found a complete list yet, excluding the examples the main story (I have not delved deep into Curry's Korean blog or Finite yet though).

The only 5 interactions I can remember off the top of my head are that:

1. Light >>> Darkness - one of the main reasons for Yaksha's dominance of Asura
2. Sky >>> Light - Currygom said Garuda is more "powerful" than Yaksha, implied to be due to an attribute elemental advantage.
3. Water >>> Fire - likely reason why Varuna was able to kill one or many Vritra clan Nastikas and almost Vasuki as well.
4. Taksaka can rival Vritra because Tak's source attribute (Destruction) counters Vritra's (Order). [Destruction >>> Order or Creation]
5. Any of the 2 Airavata can low diff Taksaka. Assuming that Kinnairavata also has the same attributes as the OG Airavata, this suggests that Wind+Fire is a stronger combo than Fire+Destruction. Maybe because Wind and Fire complement each other?

Source for #2, #4 & #5 --> HERE

Does anyone else remember of other attribute advantages???

#Introduction

2 years ago I read through this whole series completely blind liveblogging my experience in the Kubera discord. It ended up becoming my fave story all time, but that’s not really what I’m here to talk about. As I began this series and was introduced to both Maruna and Leez, I had a gut feeling. Call it a hunch, but I just knew there was going to be something special between them. Admittedly the first thought that came to mind was a Guts and Griffith type relationship. The things I longed to see most as I read was when these two would meet again, and certainly the encounters they’ve had are some of the highlights of the series.

Of course, as we all know it ended up fairly differently. Asha was both a Guts and Griffith and completely betrayed Leez. Maruna ended up more a… idk he’s fairly unique actually in his role. I’ve not really seen another character like him. The closest character he compares to imo is Char Aznable from Gundam, but afaik Curry has never stated anything related to Gundam.

Rambling a bit here, but as I’m going through s3 and seeing Maruna’s incredible development, I start to realize something more and more. Maruna and Leez aren’t just rivals. They are quite possibly the two most thematically important characters in Kubera, possibly the two true protagonists of the 10, and Maruna may end up more important to Leez in the long run than even Asha. Let me explain my crack theory.

#Similarities/Parallels/Juxtapositions

Some of these are obvious, some not so much. Where do I even begin?

• Their color schemes of green/black and red/white are opposites.

• They both rock the furcoat, chest open look with long hair. Leez during her time in the Sura Realm has a ponytail just like stage 5 Maruna.

• Both have been heavily involved in time travel, meeting their past selves, and all sorts of crazy things.

• Both wield a big sword (at least based on the snippets of future Maruna we’ve seen) with contrasting colors (Leez’s is white when activated, Maruna’s black).

• Both have also been involved with each other’s sword (Leez dual wielding it with her own, Maruna almost grasping it before future Leez grabs it for him).

• Both had someone close to them betray them and kill a parent.

• Both have something extremely funky going on with their names (Leez Kubera ANANTA and Maruna originally being Aruna).

• Maruna has technically been around since the beginning of the universe, and Leez is implied to be the one who will be at the very end of the universe.

• Both had their whole lives changed at an incredibly young age.

• Both are prophesied to die horribly with not a shred of dignity, and something related to the sins they’ve accumulated.

• Both are fairly straightforward and honest, and tend to have a very black/white morality that gets further muddled as the story goes along and they develop.

• Both have big tits and abs

There are more I can list, but you get the point. I want to now dive further into what actually makes them work as characters and how similar their arcs are.

#Character Growth and Themes

Tbh, it can be a little hard to extrapolate what exactly the main themes of Kubera are. This isn’t a bad thing. There’s just many different themes and multiple different characters with their own beliefs and worldviews, and the story shows them clashing against each other. There’s also the exploration of a lot of fucked up hypotheticals we just don’t really ever have to worry about irl. But if I did have to choose, I’d go with Kubera heavily explores identity, autonomy, and what the “truth” means. And maybe most importantly, how either love or hate can effect that truth. To take a page from Umineko cuz they’re extremely similar stories in vibes, “Without love, it can’t be seen.”

To expand on this, I don’t think calling Kubera “a story with no villains, just victims” really does it justice. Some characters are just straight up evil especially the Primevals, which basically every problem in Kuberaverse comes back to them in some way. Not counting them however, Curry does an incredible job of showing every side of the 10 protagonists and most of the side characters. You understand and see why they do the things they do. You may often find yourself pitying them. Maybe you even root for them to win. Or maybe you just end up hating them. Regardless, Curry encourages you to critically think about these characters and determine your own thoughts on them.

At the same time, the characters are doing the same. They evolve as people questioning their identity and beliefs, they come to terms with their actions, they may change what they even think about a whole species. Quite a few ultimately come to understand the reality of it all. They’re all just pawns in this game of 5D chess between the Primevals.

And who is more of a pawn in the story than Leez and Maruna themselves? Pretty much Leez’s whole life is a lie, and she’s been constantly manipulated by Asha, God Kubera, Kali, and probs a few others i’m forgetting. Her life was never really her’s. It’s a similar story for Maruna. He was made to be the “strongest Rakshasa”, and was trained to be nothing more than your typical Garuda soldier. He simply followed orders over and over never really doing anything for himself or thinking for himself. They weren’t living beings, they were just tools.

Over time both considerably develop as “people” (beings?). Leez is exposed heavily to Suras, and sure enough Maruna is exposed to the ancient humans. Because of Leez’s love for Yuta and her exposure to the Sura Realm, her view on Suras as a species widely expands. In recent chapters, she’s even met Shakuntala and now Gandharva, and is reconsidering her feelings on him. Because of the AHR’s love for Maruna regardless of him being a Sura, he learns to begin caring for humans as well and seeing them as actual living beings. He heavily reconsiders what it means for him to be a Rakshasa and a Sura in general. Both also learn the gods can be just as troublesome and bad.

What happens when they have to explore themselves and engage in self-reflection? Often, they both deny it at first. Both are often a little delusional about it (tho Leez generally more so), and aren’t true to themselves. Partially, because they’re still trying to figure out who they even are. And that leads to my next point.

#Autonomy, Ananta, and The Future

It’s not really till Season 3 that both Leez and Maruna began to act for themselves and what they want. They still are trying to help those close to them sure, but both are actually allowed to be selfish and make unexpected choices here and there. Leez has always been a people-pleaser and Maruna a loyal soldier, but when confronted with having to think for themselves they struggle… a lot lol. Something something shared brain cell.

As much of a cryptic asshole he is about it, God Kubera has gradually pushed them both to think about what they truly want to do and truly see. Maruna finally being able to see Yuta in Enemy arc. Leez pursuing the truth from GK himself. Multiple people besides GK have heavily challenged them both morally and critically.

And then there is their relation to Ananta. Leez obviously has Ananta’s name, and has some relation to the Time Axis considering whatever Time/White Leez is. We see her as a “Time that cries for Possibility” and she can maybe finally be the one to break the cycle. But what about Maruna? Not only has he met him more than once in the past, he is the only character in the story that can be said to be Ananta’s pawn. He was given the mission to stop all those that interfere with time.

With Leez being “Time” and Maruna being this almost “Anti-Time” character now… what does it all mean? Only Curry knows lol, but we do have some hints. If anyone is going to kill the soul candidates, it would most likely be Maruna. It’s been foreshadowed several times Maruna will attempt and possibly succeed in killing Ran’s children. I’m not sure if Leez and Maruna will be enemies in the end, but I assume the ending of this series will be something like no more time travel, no more creation and destruction of the universe, and the Primevals out of the picture.

Leez has yet to quite have a moment like this, but Maruna’s goals feel fairly concrete now. In my favorite scene in the whole manhwa, we see the culmination of Maruna’s arc so far. He saves Rao, takes in Ananta’s sins, meets Time Leez, develops into 5th stage, and accepts everything. He never wanted nor expected forgiveness, and (partially pride and partially his attempt at atonement) swears he’ll walk the unforgiving path going forward. He will fight to protect the universe, and those he loves. Much like Leez is doing at this point, but she still has some soul searching to do. And now let me get into my own thoughts on the future of this series.

#Crack Theories and Predictions For The Ending

I don’t remember the exact chapter. I believe it’s in S2 when Agni is fighting surafied Gandharva. But there’s a scene that has wracked my mind more than any other in Kubera. It’s Agni telling Leez that there will be someone that stays with her to the very end. The answer to that person being Yuta feels too obvious. I think it’s someone else, and I have 3 options. The main one I want to focus on is it possibly being Maruna.

How does Leez reconcile with the fact Maruna never actually killed anyone in her village? How would she take his development and basically now wanting to be her ally to a degree? How would she react if Maruna had the chance to tell her he saved her father? There’s a lot of potential interactions these two can still have in the future. I don’t think we’re gonna get something so crackheaded as like Maruna x Leez, but I do believe they will become the strangest of allies over time. She’s almost smiling at him, when she reaches for the Sword of Re in Weight of Time. Something I can’t see even the current Leez doing to him. It all just feels a little strange, right? These two are so deeply connected, it can’t be all for nothing. Even if he’s not the one that stays with her till the end, they absolutely will interact further and evolve in crazy ways as they already have.

So what about the other two options? Honestly, it could be Sagara imo. My reasoning for this is that basically every other of the 10 protags besides her have gotten multiple arcs mainly focusing on them. The last arc mostly focused on Sagara is… in season 1. We might be finally getting that now since the current arc is called “King of the Snakes”, but I digress. Sagara has been mostly stuck in the background plotting, scheming, and sometimes seeing some action. I’m unsure if we’ll get considerably more stuff in this story after the supposed reincarnation of Ananta that seems extremely close to happening now, but I hope so cuz there’s still a lot left of Sagara’s story to tell. If Leez IS Ananta in some way or another, well the connection is obvious. Maybe we get some more time travel with Leez and Sagara together, but I won’t hold my breath.

The third and final one I consider is to be Gandharva. They both begin the story, and they may well end it. Gand’s role in the end is def unclear. Some think he’ll reach enlightenment. Some think he may be the one credited for Leez’s accomplishments as stated in the prologue for s3. Not much to say other than I think it could work well as an option.

And that’s all I really have. I can definitely update this as we get more information, but yeah. Thank you for reading all this if you made it this far. I’d love to hear y’all’s thoughts.

I just finished season 2 of kubera and was just wondering if there was anywhere where I can find a recap of the series so far. (I know this question has been asked before but all the post I’ve seen were from a couple of years ago)