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Welcome to r/ATC, a subreddit dedicated to the art, science, and career of air traffic control. Please feel free to join our community and contribute! Please read the rules, though. Thank you!

For the discussion of everything Air Traffic Control related worldwide. Current, Past, and Future air traffic controllers from anywhere in the world are welcome--as well as pilots and anyone else who is curious about ATC.


Please familiarize yourself with our rules before posting:

1-1-1. No front-page posts relating to the US hiring process

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1-1-4. No spamming
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1-1-5. Downvotes are for off-topic posts or comments
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1-1-6. Memes are OK, but no shitposting
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Related subreddits and websites:

r/2152 - Controller-only ATC sub (requires verification)

r/Flying

r/Aviation

r/NATCA Verified Members

r/Flight Sim

r/Aviation Pics

Pointsixtyfive US ATC hiring FAQ - Start here with your questions about US hiring

StuckMic - ATC-related discussion forum

123atc.com - Website with information about US ATC facilities

AvCanada Forum - Discussion board with NavCanada hiring information


ATC References:

JO 7110.65 - US ATC Procedures

JO 3120.4 - US ATC Training Order

MATS Part 1 - UK ATC Procedures

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Is Canada closed today?

Looks like lots of traffic is getting routed just outside (south) of Canadian airspace. Is Canada closed? Mad about upcoming tariffs?

5 Comments
2024/12/14
19:33 UTC

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Drones on radar

In light of all the NJ Drones malarkey. Wouldn’t drones be picked up on radar?

8 Comments
2024/12/14
18:54 UTC

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Waiting for FSS interview

Hi, i passed my FEAST in june this year for FSS only but still waiting to get an interview invite or even a background check email, anyone in same boat as me or did anyone get an invite who passed fss around the same time?

15 Comments
2024/12/14
00:57 UTC

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Privatizing ATC - Good or Bad?

https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/proposal-to-strip-atc-from-faa-reappears-ahead-of-second-trump-term/161111.article

Seems the movement to privatize ATC is gaining momentum again. As a 121 pilot, I'm genuinely curious if you all are for or against this. I realize this could have retirement/pension implications, but I have to imagine the reduced bureaucratic BS and potential to bring your technology into the 21st century is appealing.

My only experience with contract towers was back in my GA days and I can tell you the experiences were hit and miss with many controllers seemingly hating their jobs. Just curious if this is something you support or are fighting against. Either way, I respect the hell out of the work and job you all do. Keep up the great work.

Edit: Don't understand all the down votes. I'm not pimping out privatization, merely posing a question to see where you all stand. Guess I should stick to flying jets.

163 Comments
2024/12/13
18:16 UTC

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SMF Live ATC not working?

Anyone know why Sacramento International Airport doesn’t have live ATC for ground, tower, etc? Only shows NorCal approach.

6 Comments
2024/12/13
17:35 UTC

0

Uh oh

IBM is working on taking our jobs! Do you think AI will ever be used to aid in the separation of air traffic?

18 Comments
2024/12/13
03:29 UTC

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visible tattoos

i was wondering if there are any restrictions for tattoos that are visible or can’t be covered up? i have a cross behind my ear

15 Comments
2024/12/13
03:13 UTC

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What should GA pilots ask of ATC when they're suffering from task saturation?

Hey all, I'm not a pilot but I am interested in aviation. I watched this video from the Air Safety Institute today and was just wondering what pilots should ask for from ATC when they get behind the airplane and are overloaded with tasks?

As I said I'm not a pilot, but if I had to guess I'd say the very first thing would be to let the controller know I'm experiencing some difficulty and ask them for clear and basic instructions to get back on track. I think a lot of people end up dying because they're too embarrassed to admit they need help, but that's what ATC is there for.

12 Comments
2024/12/12
23:05 UTC

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What is the max shift length in the US?

Can someone work 12 hours so long as they take the next 8 or 10 hours off? Or is this totally missing how the shift length is structured?

16 Comments
2024/12/12
22:25 UTC

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Retirement question.

I did 8 years prior federal service, if I do 20 years as a 2152. Would I be able to retire early or do I have to do my 20 years first and my 8 years will be applied towards the end?

9 Comments
2024/12/12
21:07 UTC

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4x10 Holiday Pay

For those of you on 4x10 schedules how does Holiday pay work? I’d assume if you work the holiday you get 10 hours holiday pay but what if it falls on one of your off days: Do you get 8 or 10 hours of holiday pay?

15 Comments
2024/12/12
19:15 UTC

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What to expect in the Air Force

Hello everybody I was just wondering if anyone had any information they could give me about what I should expect for ATC tech school for the Air Force. I’ve been told that it’s a lot like the academy and I was curious as to whether they would train me on both terminal and en route or if I just get one of the two. I’ve also been told that it is a rigorous course and that you have study hard, aside from that is there any device that anyone has to be successful?

6 Comments
2024/12/12
17:20 UTC

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AF to FAA

Hello, I’d like to ask how things would translate if I were to transfer from being an air traffic controller to being one of under the faa.

How will the transferring generally work?

Is it true that I’ll still have to go through the FAA’s 3 month training even if I had that in the Air Force. And that they’ll want 4~5 years of experience, so it’ll be better if I get a 6 year contract instead of a 4 year.

How do the work years pile up? I’ve been told that you’ll need 25 years for retirement under the FAA, and they’ll count in the years in the military.

I’m sorry if these questions too Air Force heavy, and I posted this in the wrong subreddit. I’m just not sure if the information I got is accurate enough, all the information I’ve got has been from different sources.

So please correct me if I’m wrong. Thank you

17 Comments
2024/12/12
07:55 UTC

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Ontario CA airport

Hello, I’ve been looking into this job for a while and I’d like to see how the job is in person. I’d also like to interview someone experienced about some questions.

So I’m asking if anyone working in Ontario airport in California can let me see what a typical shift at work is. The holidays are coming up, and I’d also love to see how that’s different.

I totally understand if this is a difficult task, but I’m passionate about this job and want to have a better understanding of the experience as an air traffic controller.

9 Comments
2024/12/12
06:15 UTC

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Thanks for the food UPS. Tech ops loved it!

8 Comments
2024/12/11
22:51 UTC

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Child Custody Hardship

Understand upfront this is a long shot but wondering if anyone has seen anything work.

Getting hired prior experience with 50/50 with ex wife in current state. How would I go about trying to remain in my state or pretty close by to maintain my custody?

If that isn’t an option, would there be a window in the near future (say, I get sued for full custody) to file hardship? Thanks

11 Comments
2024/12/11
22:18 UTC

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Hemophilia- medical condition.

Hey guys, in the process of going through the early stages of NAVCAN for ATC. I have a medical condition called severe hemophilia. I’m wondering if there is anyone out there in Canada or internationally that also has this medical condition and has been able to make it through getting your medical for this role. Any info from anyone would be great. Thanks!

6 Comments
2024/12/11
21:39 UTC

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DOD GS-12 VS FAA

4 months before terminal leave in the Navy. The other day, I submitted my resume to my Chain of Command to apply for the opening DOD ATC position in my current command, it is a GS-11 step 7 then after 1 year I’m guranteed to move up to GS-12 step 3 since I am already fully qualified here. 2 hours after I submitted my resume, I also got my TOL from FAA.

Pros that I think if I pick the DOD is that I can just show up the next day as civilian when my 60 days terminal leave starts from the military, I can possibly rack up 2 source of incomes until my terminal leave ends. Cons will be it’s not FAA. I heard FAA is really where it’s at so I am really on this situation where it’s hard to pick which one is good for my future.

Anybody here who worked in DOD and moved to FAA and vice-versa? I need ya’lls input please. Thank you for your help!

39 Comments
2024/12/11
18:23 UTC

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What does a day in the life of an aTC look like?

Hi! Currently considering a career as an ATC. NAV Canada offers paid training and I want to make an educated decision before I even consider applying.

Would love to hear from people (and if anyone would be willing to connect 1:1) about what a normal day of work looks like for you.

Some direct questions I have:

  1. Whats the work/life balance like?
  2. Do you feel fairly compensated?
  3. What's the overall teammate environment look like? (Perspectives from young women of colour would be really helpful)
  4. What was the most difficult part of the job for you?
  5. How steep is the learning curve?
  6. Any resources you would recommend for someone looking at this as a career option.
  7. I know most roles are unionized, if you make it past training, how likely would an individual be to land a first role at an airport like Toronto Pearson or Billy Bishop?
  8. What are traits you think would immediately disqualify a person from being successful?

Thanks in advance!

Edit: I guess the field culture is speaking for itself. This post keeps getting upvoted, then shoots back down again lol. Just trying to get some advice guys ✌🏽

25 Comments
2024/12/11
17:49 UTC

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Community Poll/Inquiry

For those who have added their ATC job to their LinkedIn profile, when is it socially acceptable to do so? After graduating the academy? CPC? Coming from a community that was very strict on not claiming it until you're fully qualified, I'm just curious what the culture in the ATC career field is like.

6 Comments
2024/12/11
15:02 UTC

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How do I do a tour of ATC towers? (specifically ORD)

Yes, I know this question has already been asked on this subreddit but I didn't find any answers.

14 Comments
2024/12/11
13:46 UTC

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ATC (ACC) working conditions around the world

Hi, i am working as an Enroute ATC (ACC) in Germany and would like to know about the working conditions, like hours per week, rest days and salary in other countries (except US/Canada). Thinking about moving somewhere else, for example Austria, Australia or UAE. Can someone recommend anything? Have a nice Day :-) Phil

10 Comments
2024/12/11
10:37 UTC

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Nav Canada Process (Not Selected)

Hey everyone,

I wanted to share my experience with the NavCanada air traffic control application process. It's been a challenging yet rewarding journey, and I hope this helps those considering applying, currently in the process, or even those who have faced refusal.

Here's my timeline and what you can expect at each stage:

Initial Assessment (June): The first step is an online assessment that you complete at home. It's nothing too fancy but involves mental exercises designed to gauge your problem-solving and decision-making skills. It's a great way to get a feel for the type of thinking this role requires.

FEAST Assessment (August): If you pass the initial assessment, you'll be invited to the FEAST I & II test. This is a full day, in-person assessment. NavCanada has recently introduced a prep test to help applicants prepare, and I highly recommend taking advantage of this. The prep test gives you a clear idea of what to expect, and it truly helps. Make sure to get plenty of rest, stay hydrated, and focus on the tasks at hand.

Background Check:(September) If you successfully pass the FEAST, you'll be asked to complete a background check. This step is straightforward but essential as part of the screening process.

Panel Interview:(November) The final step is the interview, which is a half-day assessment. Although it might feel relaxed, it's critical to stay sharp throughout. This stage assesses your ability to:

Work in teams, Perform various tasks under pressure, Articulate your thoughts clearly and concisely, Demonstrate professional behavior and self-awareness.

The interview is intense but rewarding, and it's an excellent opportunity to showcase your skills and personality.

Unfortunately, I didn't make it to the next stage after the panel interview. It's disappointing, but I've gained so much from the process-resilience, preparation strategies, and a better understanding of what I need to work on. I will be applying again in 3 years and trying other ways to get my foot in the door. This company is exactly the place that I want to commit my future to.

For those who are thinking of applying, in the process, or have faced failure-do not despair. You've lost nothing and will gain so much from this experience. If this is truly what you want, work on yourself, persevere, and try again.

8 Comments
2024/12/11
00:16 UTC

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FEAST II Test

hey i wrote the FEAST test a couple days ago and i passed the first part of the test, and was one of the few candidates that got to write the FEAST II Test. but i didn't know what to expect for the second test, because there was no practice no were to do on the EUROCONTROL web. So with a lack of knowledge and not knowing what to expect i unfortunately didn't meat the requirement passing mark. i was wondering if maybe they would give people a second chance, instead of waiting the 2 years to rewrite the test again. is there any email/number or something that i could maybe contact? or is this it and i should give up and move on.

2 Comments
2024/12/10
21:59 UTC

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Nice job last week , New York Center!

My friend showed me this. New York was great! I could never be a controller!

30 Comments
2024/12/10
13:10 UTC

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Peaceful

Ignore bro in the back, he wanted a cruise.

0 Comments
2024/12/10
09:58 UTC

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LVNL - Full average yearly salary starting controller and training process

I'm in the selection process for air traffic controller at LVNL, and it is still unclear to me what would be the full yearly compensation for a starting position.

I'm aware that starting salary for a fully qualified TWR/APP/ACC is currently around 7000EUR/month (CAO: G35-0), but with added irregularity allowance, holiday pay, transport allowance, bonus, and other benefits like health insurance etc, how much does that usually add up to in total yearly in the beginning?

And regarding the training process: before receiving your full ATC license, you're a student for about 3-4 years in Denmark and the Netherlands. The CAO indicates compensation raises on multiple moments, but could you indicate how long after the beginning of the training these steps are reached? And are there also extras on top of the student salary during the training?

Start of Training: E19-0
Start of pre-OJT (UT placement): E19-9
Start of OJT: E19-15
Qualifications: G35-0 and so on

7 Comments
2024/12/10
09:12 UTC

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Christmas present suggestions for our local tower

We fly out of a busy controlled airspace, and have a hard working tower full of the normal middle aged drunks with anger problems and a hatred for pilots who seem to end up in this career (god bless).

We get along famously with a few of the genuinely good controllers, but we’re keen to get them all a Christmas gift that makes the lot of them smile, even if they know we’re digging a bit.

Any suggestions for books or other gifts? We’re thinking a book on anger management or other self help type.

36 Comments
2024/12/10
00:51 UTC

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