/r/ATC

Photograph via snooOG

Welcome to r/ATC, a subreddit dedicated to the art, science, and career of air traffic control. Please feel free to join our community and contribute! Please read the rules, though. Thank you!

For the discussion of everything Air Traffic Control related worldwide. Current, Past, and Future air traffic controllers from anywhere in the world are welcome--as well as pilots and anyone else who is curious about ATC.


Please familiarize yourself with our rules before posting:

1-1-1. No front-page posts relating to the US hiring process

more info  

1-1-2. Refrain from sharing personally identifiable information about yourself and others
more info

1-1-3. Be respectful
more info  

1-1-4. No spamming
more info  

1-1-5. Downvotes are for off-topic posts or comments
more info  

1-1-6. Memes are OK, but no shitposting
more info  

1-1-7. Controllers on this subreddit do not speak on behalf of any agency nor organization
more info  

1-1-8. Please flair your posts
more info  

1-1-9. Mods reserve the right to use their judgment in removing content or restricting users' privileges
more info  


To search posts by flair (category), click on a link below:

COVID19

Discussion

Question

Other

News

NavCanada

NATS

EuroControl

Medical

Meme


Related subreddits and websites:

r/2152 - Controller-only ATC sub (requires verification)

r/Flying

r/Aviation

r/NATCA Verified Members

r/Flight Sim

r/Aviation Pics

Pointsixtyfive US ATC hiring FAQ - Start here with your questions about US hiring

StuckMic - ATC-related discussion forum

123atc.com - Website with information about US ATC facilities

AvCanada Forum - Discussion board with NavCanada hiring information


ATC References:

JO 7110.65 - US ATC Procedures

JO 3120.4 - US ATC Training Order

MATS Part 1 - UK ATC Procedures

(If you have a link to information from another country that you would like to have posted, message the mods with the link and we will post it here.)

/r/ATC

45,455 Subscribers

1

Rescheduling AME appointment

I have the appointment with my AME on Monday morning — I lost a contact and am wondering if it will hurt me to reschedule the appointment. I don’t have glasses and the appointment is at the same time my eye doctor opens so there’s no way to get a replacement before. My sight isn’t terrible without it but if this is the only chance I get I’d obviously much rather not fail.

0 Comments
2024/11/03
07:36 UTC

0

Can I be an air traffic controller with a criminal record?

So I was charged and took a guilty plea for Possession For The Purpose Of Trafficking Cocaine. Would I be eligible to work as an air traffic controller?

5 Comments
2024/11/03
01:35 UTC

1

Airservices Australia ATC Questions

Hey guys, I got picked up on the Experienced International controller campaign for Airservices Melbourne Center. Had some questions I was hoping you could help out with. I know its a lot so if you know the answer to any of them I appreciate the information.

  1. Retirement- Would I get any other retirement benefits than the 14% Airservices contributes to the Australian Retirement Trust Superannuation? Do they contribute more than the $30,000 max per year? Do you pay the tax penalty if they do?

  2. What does a typical week rostering look like at Melbourne Center? Is there any Group Flexibility Arrangement in place for Melbourne? Is your 36 hour work week before overtime done over 4- 9 hour shifts or 4-7 hour 1- 8 hour shift? How often are you doing 6 days continuous on 3 clear days off with overtime? Does your days off rotate throughout the fortnight or month to accommodate the required clear days off?

  3. How many breaks are you getting per shift? Looks like only required to get 30 minutes total on an 8 hour shift, 90 minutes total for 9 hour shift. How much time on position typically between each break?

  4. How often are you guys doing stand by shifts and voluntary on call?

  5. How easy is it to transfer to Brisbane Center once you get rated?

  6. How hard is it to get your recreation leave approved outside of the October draft rostering for the following year?

  7. How easy is it to get everything you need done to move up the pay classification level every year? Once you reach level 10 do you just go to the level 10- 12 month rate the next year? What do most people do after they reach the level 10- 24 month rate?

  8. If you work at Melbourne Center how do you like it?

Thanks in advance for all the info. Cheers!

0 Comments
2024/11/02
22:50 UTC

0

How many deicing trucks are there in MEM?

I‘m conducting research on central deicing facilities(CDF), and I’m curious about how many deicing trucks are there in Memphis International Airport(MEM). Most of them are probably owned by airlines like FedEx or contractors. Does anyone know?

4 Comments
2024/11/02
13:41 UTC

0

Vaccination

Hello all, short and quick question this time.... Are there vaccination requirements to be ATC?

4 Comments
2024/11/02
02:10 UTC

99

A Little Thank You from a Young Pilot

Hi everyone, I know this probably wont be seen by the actual controllers who I worked with tonight, but I feel like if I could say it to anyone, it would be this group. I flew into Class B alone for the first time as a newish private pilot today, and I was sick to my stomach the entire day getting ready for this cross country flight I planned.

I was definitely not as fast as the other pilots over the radio, I had to ask for some clarification about the transition corridor I was assigned, and definitely felt the imposter's syndrome coming along. But through it all, the controllers were incredibly patient and helpful.

I left feeling like I could go back and do better next time. Not scared to go and upset a controller or never step foot near a Class B again, but excited to try it again and feel a little more confident.

Thanks for doing what you do and knowing how to do it well, and having my best interests in mind. Any advice for how to lower the angst when talking to you guys would be greatly appreciated!

8 Comments
2024/11/02
04:10 UTC

0

Nav canada job

I just got my email for my 2nd assessment, I really want to get hired on for winnipeg or st. Andrew's relocation is not an option, family reasons. When do you find out where they will be sending you, is it prior to starting training. I don't want to quit my current job in Winnipeg to find out that I will be forced out.

6 Comments
2024/11/02
02:59 UTC

0

Nav Can

I recently applied to NAVCAN (last month) and did their online test and they said I passed and gave me my FEAST training and said they'd be in contact essentially. But i was wondering if their is any way to increase my chances of hearing back or not? Things I can do to help my case. Or to hear back sooner? Thing is I need to move out of my current living space with my parents so was wondering what I could do to help my chances will I look for a different job in the meantime, thank you so much whoever sees this

16 Comments
2024/11/02
00:57 UTC

0

Purpose of the window

Excuse the dumb question, but i am no means knowledgeable on the ATC part, just out of curiosity, why do ground controllers (maybe tower too) need to look out from the tower's window, dont they have stars and asdex screens that tells them the aircraft callsign type speed and altitude? Along with other stuff, what advantage does looking outside rather than just controlling via the screen

4 Comments
2024/11/01
23:47 UTC

9

In Lieu Day

Days off are Saturday/Sunday. RDO swapping from 11/11 to 11/16. Since i’m now off on the holiday, which day would be my In Lieu day? Would it be 11/8 or 11/12?

14 Comments
2024/11/01
14:35 UTC

0

Testing Question

Anyone know or have any ideas as to what ‘Domain Testing’ could mean or entail in the ATC recruitment process. I can’t seem to find anything about it.

Please help!

12 Comments
2024/11/01
04:53 UTC

0

FSS YEG

I was offered (another) FSS spot for April in YEG (training and initial FSS).

What are the chances of ending up in one of the northern FSS spots? I'm looking at Whitecourt or Lloyd, but if everyone just gets sent north automatically then I might have to reconsider....

12 Comments
2024/10/31
20:55 UTC

0

Post CAE course

Does anyone know if trainees have any influence on where they will end up after basic in mtl?

Is it more likely to be somewhere up north if you will be posted in the Edmonton region?

3 Comments
2024/10/31
20:34 UTC

1

Preparing for training

Today I recieved an offer from NATS for a trainee ATC position, likely starting in March 2025. Still overwhelmed with excitement, but the thought of what lies ahead is incredibly daunting.

Does anyone have any advice on what best to do to prepare? Any habits or prep that served you well in training? There's no way I can just sit and wait without doing something.

This thread looked helpful but is eight years old now.

Also I've seen many people recommend tours of ATC facilities - has anyone done this in the UK or is this just an american thing?

Thanks in advance.

7 Comments
2024/10/31
20:18 UTC

0

Relocation

My wife and I just had a daughter, and I was wondering if the OKC FAA training facility the only way to go through the academy? If so, I'd like to do at least a little research in moving and living there with my newborn. Or are there other Academy locations? Silly question I'm sure, but I saw a post about new Academy locations that confused me. Obviously in a perfect world I could stay here in my hometown, but it seems the only avenue to do that is through a community college, which would only delay the hiring process I would assume, as I have more than enough years of full time work. Cheers

4 Comments
2024/10/31
07:00 UTC

17

Question for my NY TRACON friends

I do a crap ton of transcons from JFK and seemingly we're always filed to RBV on the departure. Whenever there is weather, the RBV departures seem to get placed into a penalty box and have to sit and wait for separation (or whatever). If we asked our dispatchers file a different departure (say the DEEZZ instead to loop around), would we get out any quicker? Is RBV the issue or is it more the number of planes headed to the west coast? Thanks for sharing any insight on the magic of NYC.

EDIT: Appreciate all the insight. I think next time I'm in this situation, I'll ping clearance and see if there is a quicker way out as dispatch pretty much cuts and pastes our flights.

20 Comments
2024/10/31
05:18 UTC

13

Etvs cleaning mode

Trying to find the cleaning more for the etvs and if you know any other cool features that would also be dope!

12 Comments
2024/10/31
02:05 UTC

18

Pilot Question: Wheels Up, EDCT, Flow

Maybe you guys can help me. As far as I can tell, there's two types of EDCT/Flow: 1, where there's a GDP at the destination and you get an EDCT. In this case I see the GDP on the FAA website and often I'll get an EDCT from dispatch or with the clearance. It's the second type I have a question about. These are the times where there's no GDP for the airport, but it's a short flight, and when you call ground for taxi they give you a flow time. Sometimes it's just a few minutes. But sometimes it's 40-60 minutes. Is there any way to get an idea of what the flow time will be? I don't want an exact time, but just a head's up if it's gonna be short, like ~10 min, or heinous, like 50 min.

I've tried calling ground while parked, and they'll tell me there's flow, but won't give me a time, even an estimate. I've also looked at the airport demand page on the FAA site. That seems to provide some information, but it's hit or miss.

35 Comments
2024/10/30
17:28 UTC

0

YUL Interviews

Hello,

I am wondering if there is anyone else who has written their FEAST in the Montreal area recently.

I wrote mine at the end of September, passed for both streams, and have been waiting for next steps since then.

Is there anyone else in the YUL area who is at the same step of the application process? Has anyone received any communication about background checks or interviews?

Thank you

13 Comments
2024/10/30
17:04 UTC

5

Clearance limit question

Hello Controllers, I’m a Naval Flight student and operate out of the Corpus Christi Area.

I’m a little confused on a specific clearance that I get all the time. When I’m operating out of the Alice airport and am ready to go back to Navy Corpus, I pick up my flight plan from ATC in the air which is a coded flight plan via a letter of agreement, which when we put that on file with base ops it’s KAli NQI Jetty KNGP. But when we pick up our clearance in flight, 99% of the time, Kingsville approach says ,”Your cleared to Navy Corpus via Direct JETTY”.

So my question is, in this case, is JETTY my clearance limit and if I Hit JETTY before they give me anything else I’m expected to hold?

Sometimes they give me, “Cleared to Navy corpus via Direct JETTY, Then Direct”. To me that one isn’t ambiguous at all, hit Jetty then go directly to the field.

Thanks for any input any of you controllers can provide!

16 Comments
2024/10/30
15:06 UTC

0

FSS vs ATC pay equal when location considered?

Is FSS and ATC pay comparable to each other when you factor in the price of housing outside of city centers?

I know that housing is up everywhere. Still its much more affordable in a lot of these smaller towns where FSS operates than it is in cities with towers/ACC's. Does that make the higher income from ATC negligable if youre looking to purchase a house?

Would love to hear from people on both sides about their experiences living in these areas and making the money they do. The potentially shorter commute in remote locations sounds attractive as does the cost of housing. Does it really just come down to if youre a city person or can stand to live in the woods/arctic?

Could FSS actually be more lucrative in the long term considering cheaper cost of housing vs lower wage?

Are you city ATC's commuting 1hr+ each way?

42 Comments
2024/10/30
06:23 UTC

0

Airservices Australia experiences

Hi all, I am considering applying for the ATC training in Melbourne. However due to family commitments I can’t relocate anywhere, which is why I’m not sure if I should/can apply.

Just wondering if anyone would like to share which city/town they got sent to after training and if they take into consideration your preferences at all.

Thanks :)

5 Comments
2024/10/30
04:49 UTC

0

Passed FEAST, what’s next?

Hey everyone. I just took FEAST last Friday for Nav Canada and was sure I completely bombed FEAST 2, but to my surprise I got an email this afternoon saying I had passed for both ATC and FSS. So my question is what’s next? Any tips or advice on how to prepare for the next step would be greatly appreciated.

8 Comments
2024/10/29
21:09 UTC

0

Best thing to study with ATC?

I attended a CTI school and can now apply under pool 1. However, I’m looking to stay occupied until I make my way to the academy so I was wondering what’s something that could help me in the future pertaining to ATC. I’m leaning towards Aviation Safety, maybe attempting to work with the NTSB as a backup plan in the future, but was wondering if there were any other good ones.

5 Comments
2024/10/29
19:19 UTC

388

CPDLC 2.0

Ya’ll got any shortcuts tonight?

19 Comments
2024/10/29
14:37 UTC

0

ATC in danger

Really not to get into a political debate, but it seems a very real possibility that trump wins. It seems that Elon Musk has teamed up with trump, and I just watched a Howard lutnick interview where he talks about their plan to get government spending and deficits under control. He’s talking about how Elon will go in and slash govt jobs in general and how outdated ATC and Radar is and will be 3x more efficient with GPS only and Elon will go in and slash govt jobs in general. Since Elon did this already with twitter it seems like if they get in they might actually try something nuts and fuck up our industry. Elon is all about market disruption and he actually follows through. Normally it’s a neat thing to watch but not if he comes after ATC. Is anyone else worried about this plan?

19 Comments
2024/10/29
12:52 UTC

6

How Many Working Up There?

I tried to find the answer in search but no dice, seemed like a general question. I know it will vary. On average, how many total people are there, controllers + supervisors, employed at a given Class C airport tower? Class D? Class B?

Some Class C I fly into I swear I only hear from same 2-3 controllers, whereas another Class C I fly into nearby there's a rotation of 6+easily I recognize. Do #s really vary that much or is there a general consensus on how many are employed there?

Thank you.

13 Comments
2024/10/29
02:28 UTC

2

New private pilot, TRACON questions

I like the idea that someone is looking out for me so I'll be getting flight following often. Also I just can't stand listening to guys jabbering listlessly on CTAF.

How far do typical TRACONs reach? I've keyed up 50miles out at 5500ft and felt like I don't get through, but I hear transmissions just fine.

Do you sometimes transmit on multiple frequencies simultaneously? I get that I might not hear the 40 year old Piper Tx 80 miles away, but I can often hear CTAF traffic from 120 miles out as if they're calling a 10 mile final while I'm on downwind. It really only makes sense to me if the calling traffic is on a different frequency and ATC is responding on all their frequencies. Also, I'd be nice to know that I can hear all ATC transmissions to gauge when it's my turn to key up for a VFR request.

10 Comments
2024/10/29
01:55 UTC

Back To Top