While my first thought when I heard this song in episode 5 of X-Men 97 was: "Oh yeah! That sounds very 90s!" when I listened to the lyrics I realized just how well this fits in! If you would have told me the song was written specifically for X-Men I would have believed you!

And I have to emphasize that! Happy Nation feels tailor made for Magneto in this episode:

"🎶Happy Nation! Living in a happy Nation!🎶" I don't think I need to explain that!

"🎶Where the people understand and dream of the perfect man!🎶" Is more interesting because the people of Genosha understand that Magneto is fighting for them and that's why they turned him into a national hero!

"🎶A situation leading to Sweet salvation!🎶" Because he wants Genosha to be a safe haven for all mutants! And when it turns into a fucking hell instead he still does everything he can to safe as many as possible!

"🎶For the people, for the good, for mankind Brotherhood!🎶" He doesn't want to be king or whatever else Genosha but this the mutants decided he would make the best leader so he'll take the burden! Also they mentioned Brotherhood!

"🎶Ideas by man and only that will last!🎶" Charles Xavier might be dead but not his dream, because Magneto and the X-Men are trying to keep that alive!

"🎶And over time we've learned from the past!🎶" He learned from his past mistakes and asked Humanity to learn from theirs!

"🎶That no man's fit to rule the world alone!🎶" not only is this referring to how he wants to rule Genosha with Rogue, but also how he can't fight for the good of mutants without the X-Men!

"🎶A man will die, but not his ideas!🎶" Again clearly reminding me of Xavier but also how Magneto sacrificed himself protecting Rogue and Gambit who then ended up destroying the Sentinels!

"🎶Tell them we've gone too far!🎶" Really reminds me of the line "a lot of Nations allow their leaders to be terrorists!" Is constant clearly isn't worth what the UN thinks "is going too far"!

"🎶Come through and I will dance with you!🎶" ...Yeah that one's pretty obvious too!

I wish I could understand Latin so I knew what they were singing in the opening...

But anyways that's my interpretation of why they chose to specific song! I mean it could just be that it sounded very 90s and I'm over analyzing the crap out of this!😅

Okay, i'm not making this post to tell people to boycott X-Men 97. There's plenty of art I enjoy that are made by complete assholes, & they've helped me get through hard times.

That being said, X-Men 97 showrunner Beau Demayo has been exposed as a complete piece of shit and an abuser.

The man was fired from two T.V. shows because of his behavior.

Also, people who knew Beau in the LA area have stated that he's allegedly biphobic, & bullies gay people that are less masculine than he is. The man clearly does not practice what he, & X-Men, is trying to preach about prejudice and bigotry.

Don't give Demayo a free pass just because he's black, gay, & because the show is well written. Thanks.

I am a crazy fan of Magneto. So, I'll go for his powers without a second thought.

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Someone mentioned the Renewal Remysance X-men97 brought forth and I wanted to remynisce about Gambit over the decades, first in the XTAS and then being introduced to the comics.

-In XTAS, when Morph was fooling everyone and pretending to be Xavier, with Wolvie sniffing saying that's not the professor! and tries to attack him, and Morph as Xavier told the team "Destroy Him!" Remy thinking, the Professor never says anything like that and does the card explosion trick so tricking Morph into jumping out of Xavier's wheelchair.

-At Jean and Scott's wedding, (XMen #30) catching the garter by blowing up cards around Xmen off their rockers.

-Remy tricks the guardsmen and gets a knife into the leg as the Xteam gets locked up at the walls by their wrists. Then he pulls up leg to get the knife by his mouth drops it , catches it by his ankles and then pulls them up to pick the locks! I'd never seen that in any show/film before.

-in UXM #267 Ororo wakes up from her nightmare and flings a dagger at Remy who went to check up on her. He drops his cigarette then catches the dagger and then recatches the cigarette .

-The 1998-1999 series of Gambit, where he does a fantastic landing pose with the torn trenchcoat around him. Love this series.

Genuine question here folks - I’m a long long time fan of the xmen comics and they were my primary initiation to the medium through my uncle alongside spiderman.

I just want to gather everyone’s thoughts on the Krakoan era over all now that it’s closing out.

I’ve read HoX/Pox, inferno, and most of Hickman’s run but couldn’t stand a lot of the rest of it. Too many books I wasn’t interested in, too many expected reading to get events etc. I really thought the story being set up was that there was something off with Krakoa and it’s people acting differently and allowing… strange things (the crucible) that would eventually force them to face What this version of their dream had made them become. Or cable was going to come from the future and ask them all what the hell they thought they were doing by at least talking the talk of potential oppression of others.

But I believe I am actually in the minority on this by looking at comments/sales as people seem to love the extended krakoa era and the whole thing is going down as a romantic notion (without any of the icky moral greys clearly bedded into the concept early on by Hickman) taken away too soon.

Thoughts?

What is yours and why?

Anyone else they could work as a couple? 🤣 I can't remember if they've ever gone there or not

For background context here is an old post I created a couple years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/vot0kj/did_they_just_upgrade_forge/

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It features a scene where Magneto is amongst the Arrako mutants & casually drops forge as an Omega LvL Mutant. Now some were skeptical (I even could agree with some of their points as well) but ultimately a couple years later it is now going to be confirmed 😅. In another link down below it mentions in the upcoming X-Force series Forge will be upgraded in his Mutant status😀. Personally I'm excited and can't wait to see what stories they tell with him. Be sure to tell your opinions on the matter 🧐

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https://screenrant.com/x-men-new-omega-level-forge-powers-xforce/

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Link to the original tweet: https://x.com/zannlenore/status/1779085831107490142?s=46&t=dafAFD6nS9rOs-dF5Ctevg

(Btw if you don’t follow Lenore on Twitter please do, shes an absolute sweetheart)

For the record, I'm not talking about the ones who think they are above or below humanity. Just separate.

Like it makes sense why they come to this conclusion, if for no other reason then because of how relentless and how much stamina those that hate them seem to have. But since them not being human is one of the lies the villains spread to further their goals, it's sad to see our heroes on some level fall for the lie.

I’ve seen quite a few people say it looks bad, stilted, or “not as good as the OG series.”

Respectfully, you have to be joking if you think the OG series looks better. That show can become a blurry and choppy mess at times. Not to mention it’s not even available in HD and it has horrible aliasing on the existing masters.

Now I agree that it took me a bit to get used to the new show’s animation. I was among the people who thought some shots in the trailer were cg. But one of the animators has confirmed that 99% of the show is 2D animated. I think the reason it looked a little off at first was because of the aggressive shading they do on the characters to make it look more like the old style. That made it kinda look 3D in some shots when it wasn’t. There’s also the grain layer they put over the show that can blur it out a bit in some shots (I’m a huge fan of film grain but I’m not used to seeing it over newer 2D animation).

Overall, I really like the animation in 97. Like I said once you get used to the unique style it really grows on you. Now, I honestly think it’s one of the best new 2D animation styles I’ve seen in recent years (because let’s be honest there haven’t been that many.)

It's in the first season. Sabretooth destroys the village of a tribe (maybe Inuit?) and Wolverine says that he'll help them rebuild. The guy says something along the lines of "Sorry friend, there's no point, this is the excuse for the children to leave for the city." He basically adds that it's the end of their traditions and culture, basically who we are as a people die today, and Wolverine's reply is "You called me friend." *big goofy grin*

Love seeing the memes again and my favorite lines that lived rent-free in my head for decades (e.g., You're a fool, Charles. I know more of this world than you can even dream. That is why I must destroy it.) but the hilarity that came from things like this (or one claw scratch from Sabretooth putting Wolverine out of commission for huge chunk of time) are suprise bonus benefits.

As many of you probably know Dark Phoenix was originally supposed to end with a battle at the U.N., the Skrulls being the villains, and Jean flying into space and blowing up a spaceship. The ending was changed because it was too similar to Captain Marvel with Skrulls being characters and Captain Marvel flying up and blowing up a space ship. Jean would then survive by becoming the Phoenix and Charles would retire from the school (this scene is in the deleted scenes section of the blu-Ray).

Many people blame Disney for ruining the movie, and yeah. The ending wouldn’t have been as bad if Disney hadn’t changed the ending to the boring train sequence hardly anyone could look at. However, the movie still would have been awful. Simon Kinberg was not an experienced director, and everything else would have been the same, except for the ending and the aliens being called Skrulls.

I do think though, that Disney clearly left the movie to die because they had no intention of continuing the X-Men prequel series. The film was even titled X-Men which leads me to believe they marketed it to try and distance it from the Marvel brand as much as possible.

…whatever this is.

It’s 2am, I’m re-reading early krakoa storylines, including this one, and the out-of-nowhere homoeroticism between Drac and Red that’s just never addressed will never not be funny to me.

Just like that the relationship with young Cable and Esme Frost lasts. In at least sort of. But I’m curious what older readers think.

TLDR: X-Men '97 has been fantastic, but I wish they portray Captain America in a good light

First and foremost, let me start that, even as a kid, I was bigger Avengers fan than an X -Men fan. Don't get me wrong, I still loved the X - Men. I collected their books and followed their stories. I got swept up in the X-Men craze back in the '90s, but in my heart, I was a bigger fan of the Avengers, especially Captain America. Kid me ranked it Spider - Man > Avengers > X - Men > everyone else. Which was weird, because I wasn't American, I'm South East Asian. But I have a soft spot for the simple good guys. Now with that said....

X-Men '97 has been fantastic so far. I'm really happy that animation is getting so much love these days (Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, The Spiderverse movies, just to name a few). And I thought the show was just going to be nostalgia bait, which funnily enough, it is, but done in an excellent way that it doesn't feel like outright pandering. The story so far has been excellent, the fight scenes have been great, Cyclops is finally getting some spotlight, among others.

Episode 5 has been an excellent episode, showcasing the melodrama between team members, and Gambit's sacrifice was as much awesome as it was heartbreaking. Shout outs to Rogue's voice actress, Lenore Zann, for a fantastic job for her heartbreaking last line in that episode. But now, to the point. We have the team at their darkest, their lowest

I see THIS teaser. And I see the shield at the end. And I couldn't be happier. Hell, after seeing it, I played this theme on loop the whole day.

Personally, after the success of the MCU, I was happy that finally some other people were seeing Cap in a positive light. A good man. Someone who hates bullies. Someone who stands up for the little guy. Someone that just wants to do whats right. He's not perfect, as shown in Captain America: Civil War, but hes still a good man at heart.

I personally wish that Cap extends a helping hand to the X-Men and stand beside them. Not take the spotlight, of course, I still want it to stay an X-Men show, But I would love for Cap to be the hope spot for the team, giving Scott the perspective to really take leadership of the team, and help in the aftermath of the Genosha. Heck, his mere presence would probably shut a good number of Friends of Humanity up. I can even hope for cool fight sequences, like a Cyclops - Cap Optic Blast Shield Reflect, or a telekinetic Shield Slash assist from Jean after Cap tosses it, or Cap taking down a Sentinel solo. Then seeing the X-Men get their hope back, shakes Scott's hand, exchange a few words, maybe say "whenever you need us, we'll be there" speech, then exit the show. Quick and simple, with no drama.

I know the less-than-friendly way Cap has been seen in the comics with regards to mutant issues, which is why I'm worried how he'll be portrayed. And it makes me sad and annoyed whenever its shown. Magneto already scanned Cap's brain and he found no trace of anti mutant sentiment. Cyclops has a chilly relationship with Cap. Steve himself has admitted that he doesn't do enough for mutants, and wishes to do more. Steve has shown that he doesn't care if its a mutant or not, he will do what he thinks is right. It annoys me when Cap is written that he's not thinking of mutants as well. On the flip side, it annoys me when the X-Men are written that they have outright animosity for the Avengers.

Now why am I posting this? I don't know. Maybe I'm just tired of the "jaded good guy" stereotype. Or the "Evil Superman" trope. Or that you can't write a good story about "good guys". The way the MCU has portrayed Cap was perfect, and I'm just hoping he can be shown in X-Men '97 as that. A man willing to help, just a guy thats willing to stand for whats right. A good man.

Why am I bringing up daredevil in an X-Men sub? I'm currently reading Wolverine enemy of the state again and in that story Matt is 32. The narrator states he's been blind since he was 12 and then states he's been blind for 20 years.

Just putting it out there since people like to discuss character ages so often. Maybe it can help figure out more characters ages relative to Matt idk lol