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A community for all things related to the Wheel of Time fantasy series by Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson. This includes the Amazon Prime TV show.

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Funny swedish article

Found this swedish language article about WoT Amazon now having cast the Trakand family.

"Nuno Lopes (“Saint George”) spelar lord Gaebril, Morgases älskare och rådgivare som slugt assisterar henne såväl politiskt som militärt."

Basically translates to:

"Nuno Lopes plays Lord Gaebril, Morgases lover and advisor who cunningly assists her politically aswell as militarily."

I get the spoiler aspect of it. But it's a pretty weird way to describe "Lord Gaebril" lol.

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2024/12/18
19:50 UTC

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Will we get another adaptation?

I hate to be this person because I’m not normally this negative. I think this adaptation is not a very good representation of what the series is actually like. It changes a lot of things but I don’t actually think that is the problem it’s that they change stuff unnecessarily and it doesn’t even improve it for the different medium that the show is taking place in. I think the cast cares and they put on a good show but they don’t have great writing to work with. But overall I’m wondering if you this show isn’t good would another platform ever give it another show because I think you should make a good show out of it. But you need the right team to do it right

23 Comments
2024/12/18
19:32 UTC

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Shielding and linking

I apologize if this has been covered, I couldn’t find anything though. Does anyone know if it’s possible to link with someone who is shielded? I have an idea in my head that I’m trying to work out. I put a spoiler tag out of an abundance of caution and anticipating possible answers/discussions.

11 Comments
2024/12/18
17:59 UTC

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Can i search character art on google?

I am wondering if I can search character art on google without seeing spoilers. I would avoid reading anything ,so just looking at the pictures. Im on book 4 by the way

16 Comments
2024/12/18
15:00 UTC

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Looking for a quote.

I'm looking for a quote by Perrin from the end of lord of chaos. Tried to find it using search, but couldn't.

I'm paraphrasing here, hoping you guys can help me find it.

" He didn't know how many people he was leading to their death's today. But light forgive him, he will do it. What were their lives compared to that of the Dragon Reborn."

4 Comments
2024/12/18
08:09 UTC

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The tone of denial in this series feels a little different from modern, contemporary fantasy.

It’s not just the typical “Hero denies the call.” trope, you can still find that aplenty. It’s how they refuse to even engage with setting.

Not wanting to be a prophesied hero is one thing. But from what I remember; at the start of The Great Hunt none of the main cast try to learn anything about Trollocs or Fades. Despite spending weeks in an area that frequently sees them, and nearly dying to them several times, they can’t muster up the will to ask any Warders how to combat them in advance. Or any history about them.

Which nearly gets them killed as they, several times I think, just run into a Fade that has seized them with fear and they’re only saved by outside intervention. They all just stumble into eventually being immune to their fear effect.

This is not even an inexplicable thing that happens to the boys exclusively, it’s something everyone does. Even Moiraine, an Aes Sedai who prides herself on knowledge… only does so to the point that she is comfortable.

She views the only people in the series who subvert this trend as weirdos of no consequence until swiftly proven wrong and reminded of what should be a very simple fact; of course, the group none for consuming and noting down anything they see would be the biggest threat to your conspiracy being blown.

And it’s still happening all the way up to The Fires of Heaven (I’ve only made it to Chapter 7 tho.)

For a final attempt at a parallel, this is like if Harry Dresden in the Dresden Files series was afraid to talk about magic or supernatural creatures unless absolutely necessary.

EDIT: Additional things I've seen characters deny talking about for long stretches of time that surprised me or them denying the accumulation of knowledge.
Perrin and his wolf abilities.

Matt and his luck/language slippage.

Moiraine of all people getting mad at Rand for learning up on new prophecies.

Rand almost seeming eager to end the, honestly surprising, event of Egwene and Elayne trying to teach him things about The One Power. This is after several chapters of him lamenting about his lack of knowledge.

22 Comments
2024/12/18
16:35 UTC

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3 out of 4?

All three Great Captains are darkfriends?

I dont think Rodel Ituralde is one, his actions in Thakandar and Maradon disqualify him

Agelmar is not by definition a darkfriend, him almost ending his life is proof that this is not his own will.

Bashere is pretty much guaranteed, Hessalam visiting his dreams gave me suspicion, though i thought it might just be because she wanted to find out some plans. But the nail in the coffin was of course his whole scouting of the second Trolloc army. His reaction could be because he was under compulsion, the same as Agelmar, but then he proceeded to put the blame on others.

All thats left is Bryne, who of course made the decision to not use the Seanchan cavalry. Up to now, i really cant tell for sure whether or not he is the same as Agelmar. I cant really remember a lot of details.

But i think he is a Darkfriend

Edit: Graendal just visited ituraldes tent in TAR. 🙃 I thought for sure he wasnt a darkriend!

This is not final though. Look how much he hates the trollocs

11 Comments
2024/12/18
09:06 UTC

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Need clarification on this

I'm in the process of collecting all the books and currently have 10/14. I can seem to find The Great Hunt for the life of me so I looked on Amazon. The dimensions seem of because I'm sure the height is supposed to be 9.5in. Need some help here

11 Comments
2024/12/18
04:36 UTC

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I’m rereading The Dragon Reborn..

Specifically, I’m at the scene where Alana is explaining what it means to be a green. What it means to be a part of the battle Ajah. To stand ready. To wait for the darkness to come. To be the first to rush in and the last to leave along with your warder(s) I can imagine when the last battle comes the greens living quarters is just a buzz with warders getting ready, and the greens hyper as all get out preparing for battle. And then the moment the tension breaks and the green lines charge you see a third of Tar Valons forces as the green Ajah takes their warders to battle!

18 Comments
2024/12/18
02:01 UTC

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Are there any misconceptions that you had from your first read through that you have a hard time correcting in your head?

I’ll share mine. On my first read through I kept reading it as herring marked sword for some reason. So I always pictured a fish on the blade and on Rand’s palms. Even though I know it’s incorrect, in my minds eye when I read the book my first thought is of a fish.

141 Comments
2024/12/18
01:49 UTC

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Why I love book 3

Mat POV chapters. How awesome are they, right? When the story picks up with him dicing in Tar Valon and his shenanigans with Thom on the way to Tear, I feel like the books really come alive.

Maybe I'm just a sucker for Mat chapters. It's probably what keeps me going during Crossroads of Twilight 😆😆😆

4 Comments
2024/12/18
00:25 UTC

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Should I Finish the series?

I started reading the series about a year ago and was really into the first 6 books or so but have started losing interest. Part of the reason it’s taken me as long as I have is because I’ve taken a few breaks between the last book or two to read something else to cleanse my palate a bit.

I am about to finish Winter Heart, and I’m starting to doubt whether I should finish, which is saying something because I have a problem not finishing books/ series, even if I don’t like them that much. Idk why I’m this way lol I guess I’m always hoping the ending is good enough to be worth it.

It seems like Winters heart is on the bottom of most people’s lists so maybe things really pick up after that, but the next book is Crossroads of Twilight, which seems to be universally disliked by everyone, so wondering if it’s worth it to finish the series.

Part of me doesn’t want to finish because I can’t see how much more can happen in the remaining 6 books. Are the later books good or do they just drag on with not much happening?

Sorry for the post being longer than most of the books, but all that to get to: are the remaining books and the ending worth it or should I give up and cliff notes the ending? lol I’m willing to suffer through some of the boring stuff as long as I know it’s worth it. I don’t want to read 6 more books and be underwhelmed.

Thanks in advance!

Edit/update: I’ll try to respond to everyone but from what I read in the comments, I decided to power through WH last night and it was definitely worth the slog. I will follow through and be there for the last battle!

69 Comments
2024/12/17
21:30 UTC

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Just one more to go....this feels unreal but i'm ready for it

48 Comments
2024/12/17
17:54 UTC

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Help me with a balefire question?

Hi there,

As the title says, I'm scratching my head about an aspect of how balefire works. I have a vague recollection that one of the AS talks about this in-series, but I can't remember who and when and my googling hasn't returned an answer on this particular point, so I am here to throw myself on your tender mercies.

When you get balefired, does that zap your actions some way back in time only in the world it happens in, or across all possible worlds/mirrors?

Thank you.

19 Comments
2024/12/17
17:00 UTC

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Just wanted to share my WOT shrine

48 Comments
2024/12/17
14:49 UTC

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Just a little bit of lace

I love how most of the main characters start liking more expensive & elaborate clothes over the course of the series. Like Nynaeve who insists stout two river's woollen is the best, but finds herself wearing silks even in the world of dreams or Aviendha who starts liking silks more and more or Mat with Lace etc. It's a small, nice detail.

15 Comments
2024/12/17
12:43 UTC

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Illian

Watercolour, by me

31 Comments
2024/12/16
22:15 UTC

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A crown of swords, like wtf?

So i've been listening to the audio books while I drive around town, and usually I have no problem following what is going on. I hear new names all the time and usually the books do a good enough job to explain later what is going and what just happened in the interaction. But Rand just went to the Sea Folk, and did some stuff, and then wanted to talk to rebels and then pretended to be someone else, and people knew who he was, but other people thought he was Tomas or something, and then the fog came and everything went crazy, like the last two chapters have been so confusing, I'm hoping that they will explain who half of the people were that they just spent so much time talking to and fighting. Am i the only one who had issues with those chapters?

37 Comments
2024/12/16
16:56 UTC

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Master Schemer Thom Merrilin

I find it so funny that the Seanchan think Thom Merrilin is the master mind behind rescuing the Aes Sedai.

33 Comments
2024/12/16
08:07 UTC

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Finished Crossroads of Twilight

This one was on the slower side; not as much happened. But it did still have its moments.

Perrin being the main one. Holy fuck I did not expect that of him 😨️ That shit's fucked up, man. The forshadowing with him brooding over Maesema's law about chopping hands (or maybe that was Mat?) hit hard when I remembered it. A fitting way for him to finally leave behind the axe, I think, and it was a good character moment him terrified of the idea of ever possibly growing to enjoy what he did.

So Harbor was really creepy; I wonder if the next book will explore more about that. This business with the 'weevils' everywhere is unsettling too.

Mat losing his mind over Tuon's mindgames is amusing. Poor Mat 😆️ 🎲️

I'm intrigued by what happened to Egwene at the end, and frustrated that her plans (I'm not quite sure; turning a chain across the river into cuendillar so that ships for Elaida can't get past it?) were interrupted, and worried badly for her.

Rand meeting with the 'Daughter of the Nine Moons' seems... dubious, considering she's currently tormenting Mat. And I'm pretty sure Suroth still has the male a'dam, so the meeting is sure to go horribly 😬️

I look forward to the next book, and am saddened that it's the last of Robert Jordan's ones 😢️ I'll miss his style.

10 Comments
2024/12/16
07:54 UTC

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The Bond

To preface, I don't mind light spoilers. Siuan has been healed and she's feeling the blowback from her warders death. Im wondering, does this blowback go both ways? Does a Warder who's AS died feel this immense loss? And, I'm positive that Moiraine did not die in the Scary Door, which means Moiraine likely has figured out a way to release the bond herself to send Lan on to Nynaeve eventually, so does releasing the bond incur that same blowback? Or is it specifically sharing sensations with someone who experiences the massive trauma of death that causes psychological scarring

14 Comments
2024/12/16
05:08 UTC

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Michael Kramer and Kate Reading helped us turn this WoT Holiday themed video from good to GREAT!

We had so much fun making this.

We'd love for you to check out our Holiday Wheel of Time Winternight story, "'Twas The Night After Winter."

Please watch it and share if you enjoy it: https://youtu.be/oKBQuS3xhkI

Written by Rob Christianson from the Weekly Wheel News: /u/RobChristiansonWWN

Artwork comes from the original EotW Graphic Novels (credited in the video)

Narrated by the incomparable Michael Kramer and Kate Reading.

Sound mix, editing, animation by me!

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2024/12/15
22:41 UTC

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In winter's heart end, ...

... Moghedien mentions that Mordidin commands her to go to the battle and she will only do the minimal to appease that order. Why did Moridin never force the other forsaken to use the Oath Rod to bind their actions? He would have had more subservience if they were under compulsion than through fear. As far as we know an oath can only be unbound on the same rod.

10 Comments
2024/12/15
22:15 UTC

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Book 6 Egwene

Does she stop being useless at some point or can I safely keep skimming over most of her pov?

9 Comments
2024/12/14
22:58 UTC

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What should I expect with the "slog"?

Hi all, I recently just finished Lord of Chaos and I'm about 5 chapters into A Crown of Swords (where Rand exiles Colavaere). I think this is the point in the series where I've previously read that the "slog" starts. My question is what should I expect from the next few books? I'm in the series for the long haul, but should I prepare myself for a switch in writing style or a switch in narrative? I thoroughly enjoyed the slower character moments from Lord of Chaos and other books, but there are some characters that I find boring or annoying (namely, Elayne and Faile). Just wanted to see what to expect!

55 Comments
2024/12/15
16:12 UTC

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How did I not know Amazon created WoT Origins animated shorts, and why aren’t there more?

I assume everyone probably knows this besides me - but if you look at the Season 1 episode list in Prime Video, there are a few “Wheel of Time Origin Stories” listed.

They are animated shorts - only around ~3 minutes each and there are only 5 of them… but they are fantastic, and faithful to the lore. Fantastic animation style, exquisite depictions of world events, great narration and storytelling.

Watching them makes me wish they had done a lot more of these and published them as their own series (heck, I’d love to see the whole series adapted this way, tbh). I only found out about them because I was looking up some of the show writers, and the WoT fandom wiki said one of them - Rammy Park - had written these.

There is no way to share/link to them, and you can only find them under the S1 episode list. Why didn’t they do more of these and actually make them more available/visible somehow?

61 Comments
2024/12/14
22:23 UTC

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