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Season 3 is going to be great, with an explosive back half... look at the writer line-up! Per WoTSeries

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Is there any information on this? Do you think it's true that the renewal for season 4 will depend on the views of season 3?

<div class="md"><p>Is there any information on this? Do you think it&#39;s true that the renewal for season 4 will depend on the views of season 3?</p>
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Question about the possible renewal of the show for season 4

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The reviews for the show are not terrific but her acting is the highlight. Okay, maybe Travis Fimmel is good too.  Looking forward to seeing her in WOT.  If she is really doing Morgase then Morgase must be important in the show.  You don’t give a woman with so much talent a tiny role.  I expect her to have at least the same time as Moiraines sister. 

<div class="md"><p>The reviews for the show are not terrific but her acting is the highlight. Okay, maybe Travis Fimmel is good too.  Looking forward to seeing her in WOT.  If she is really doing Morgase then Morgase must be important in the show.  You don’t give a woman with so much talent a tiny role.  I expect her to have at least the same time as Moiraines sister. </p>
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Olivia Williams amazing in Dune Prophecies

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I'm just curious as someone who never read the books

<div class="md"><p>I&#39;m just curious as someone who never read the books</p>
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Which actor best represents the character from the books? Or are the characters in the show different

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I thought it'd be fun to reminisce about the first season and how this whole show got started...

What are your favourite moments in s1?

What do you think about it in retrospect, 3 years after its release?

What are some of the best memories you have surrounding the release of s1? First ever look at the characters, locations, the poster, music, the fan livestreams, etc.





<div class="md"><p>I thought it&#39;d be fun to reminisce about the first season and how this whole show got started...</p>

<p>What are your favourite moments in s1?</p>

<p>What do you think about it in retrospect, 3 years after its release?</p>

<p>What are some of the best memories you have surrounding the release of s1? First ever look at the characters, locations, the poster, music, the fan livestreams, etc.</p>
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Today, 19th of November, is the 3rd anniversary of season 1!

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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK\_YhQZjGug](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_YhQZjGug)

  
More evidence for March release!

<div class="md"><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_YhQZjGug">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_YhQZjGug</a></p>

<p>More evidence for March release!</p>
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More release date info?

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Josha Stradowski story: WoT press

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For those interested in seeing photos of the filming location of Two Rivers in Prague area post visits by certain content creators.  >!This indicates that Two Rivers will not be used in future seasons as it has been destroyed/raised to the ground and mostly burned.  Nothing is left of the site except some rubber props and some production masking tape indicating that filming was conducted here.!<

Link to Two Rivers Site Photos:
>!https://imgur.com/gallery/remnants-of-two-rivers-0YDI5gp!<

<div class="md"><p>For those interested in seeing photos of the filming location of Two Rivers in Prague area post visits by certain content creators.  <span class="md-spoiler-text">This indicates that Two Rivers will not be used in future seasons as it has been destroyed/raised to the ground and mostly burned.  Nothing is left of the site except some rubber props and some production masking tape indicating that filming was conducted here.</span></p>

<p>Link to Two Rivers Site Photos:
<span class="md-spoiler-text"><a href="https://imgur.com/gallery/remnants-of-two-rivers-0YDI5gp">https://imgur.com/gallery/remnants-of-two-rivers-0YDI5gp</a></span></p>
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Remnants of Two Rivers Set (Post S3 Filming).

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So I am here at episode 4, and am on book 7. I am here because I am debating on finishing the series. You see, I am an avid book reader and movie watcher. I understand that adaptions need to have changes for pacing. Characters left out if they don't have a major impact on story, if you can show it another way. That said, I am here because I have just spent almost an entire episode focused around Logain. You are telling me, you have left out Morgeth, Elyas, and introduced Thom much later in order to save time and not wanting to develop and introduce to many characters. Yet you spend an ENTIRE episode on a guy that is a foot note in the story until much much later? Why? This makes no sense. They keep adding stuff not needed, leaving out major world building aspects, and much more. Jordan did an excellent job about creating a series that empowers women and men without diminishing them both. Yet this focuses so much on creating Mary Sues all the time for no reason. 

<div class="md"><p>So I am here at episode 4, and am on book 7. I am here because I am debating on finishing the series. You see, I am an avid book reader and movie watcher. I understand that adaptions need to have changes for pacing. Characters left out if they don&#39;t have a major impact on story, if you can show it another way. That said, I am here because I have just spent almost an entire episode focused around Logain. You are telling me, you have left out Morgeth, Elyas, and introduced Thom much later in order to save time and not wanting to develop and introduce to many characters. Yet you spend an ENTIRE episode on a guy that is a foot note in the story until much much later? Why? This makes no sense. They keep adding stuff not needed, leaving out major world building aspects, and much more. Jordan did an excellent job about creating a series that empowers women and men without diminishing them both. Yet this focuses so much on creating Mary Sues all the time for no reason. </p>
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I am debating on stopping

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WOT was written in the 90s, and Skyrim came out in 2011- coincidence or inspiration?

<div class="md"><p>WOT was written in the 90s, and Skyrim came out in 2011- coincidence or inspiration?</p>
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Skyrim sounding familiar

I miss seeing him in WOT.

💔💔💔
I hope he's doing a lot better now

<div class="md"><p>I miss seeing him in WOT.</p>

<p>💔💔💔
I hope he&#39;s doing a lot better now</p>
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Barney Harris

Was chatting about this with my partner today at lunch and I think it's kinda nifty.

Aiel culture reveres blacksmiths-- possible reasons include their importance to weapon-making as well as the rarity of the material making learning the trade an expensive proposition.

I think it could be cool to include spinners and weavers in this cultural reverence, because of the significance of Veiling. At first my spouse suggested blacksmiths are more intrinsic to a battle-honed culture but then of course quickly backtracked because to an Aiel the Veil is more necessary to battle than knives, arrows, or spears.

That led into ways Veil creation could be shown to have materially cultural impact-- like the black dye being something young Aiel warriors have to aquire in some Coming of Age ceremony. Algode could have symbolic meaning in ceremonial objects. Etc.

Could be cool.

<div class="md"><p>Was chatting about this with my partner today at lunch and I think it&#39;s kinda nifty.</p>

<p>Aiel culture reveres blacksmiths-- possible reasons include their importance to weapon-making as well as the rarity of the material making learning the trade an expensive proposition.</p>

<p>I think it could be cool to include spinners and weavers in this cultural reverence, because of the significance of Veiling. At first my spouse suggested blacksmiths are more intrinsic to a battle-honed culture but then of course quickly backtracked because to an Aiel the Veil is more necessary to battle than knives, arrows, or spears.</p>

<p>That led into ways Veil creation could be shown to have materially cultural impact-- like the black dye being something young Aiel warriors have to aquire in some Coming of Age ceremony. Algode could have symbolic meaning in ceremonial objects. Etc.</p>

<p>Could be cool.</p>
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World building idea

WoT at CCXP24 - Dec 7

Potential confirmation of Lews Therin’s Role in S3

<div class="md"><p><em>also manifesting forty episodes</em></p>
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inevitability

This might be some indication as to a plausible s3 release date. Overthink this at your own risk :D

Oh hey, the Eye of the World! Neat.

'God of War' TV Series Shakeup: Showrunner Exit Amazon Show

Moiraine destroying the Seanchan ships. It's not 1:1, but in *Crossroads of Twilight*, Egwene contemplates destroying ships as they sail into Tar Valon:

>From where she sat her horse, she could have **set fire to every one of those ships**, or simply cut holes through their hulls and let them sink. **The work of moments**. ... \[But\] even one death would make what she did using the Power as a weapon. ... A sister who had sworn on the Oath Rod would not be able to *make* herself set those weaves, perhaps not even to form them, **unless she could convince herself she was in immediate danger from the ships**. (CoT, Ch 16: The Subject of Negotiations)

Two things worth noting, \[1\] Book Egwene is much more powerful than Book Moiraine, but since the show seems to be scaling up female channeling strengths, Book Egwene and Show Moiraine might actually be pretty close in strength, plus Egwene seems to think it would take considerably less effort than Moiraine uses in the show; and \[2\] Egwene does decide that she can't destroy the boats, *but* she allows that it would be possible if she could "convince herself she was in immediate danger from the ships." In the book setting, that's highly unlikely; for Moiraine facing a fleet of apparent darkfriends and the imminent gentling of the Dragon Reborn, it's a little more plausible.

Anyway, just thought I'd leave this here! Seriously can't wait for Season 3.

<div class="md"><p>Moiraine destroying the Seanchan ships. It&#39;s not 1:1, but in <em>Crossroads of Twilight</em>, Egwene contemplates destroying ships as they sail into Tar Valon:</p>

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<p>From where she sat her horse, she could have <strong>set fire to every one of those ships</strong>, or simply cut holes through their hulls and let them sink. <strong>The work of moments</strong>. ... [But] even one death would make what she did using the Power as a weapon. ... A sister who had sworn on the Oath Rod would not be able to <em>make</em> herself set those weaves, perhaps not even to form them, <strong>unless she could convince herself she was in immediate danger from the ships</strong>. (CoT, Ch 16: The Subject of Negotiations)</p>
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<p>Two things worth noting, [1] Book Egwene is much more powerful than Book Moiraine, but since the show seems to be scaling up female channeling strengths, Book Egwene and Show Moiraine might actually be pretty close in strength, plus Egwene seems to think it would take considerably less effort than Moiraine uses in the show; and [2] Egwene does decide that she can&#39;t destroy the boats, <em>but</em> she allows that it would be possible if she could &quot;convince herself she was in immediate danger from the ships.&quot; In the book setting, that&#39;s highly unlikely; for Moiraine facing a fleet of apparent darkfriends and the imminent gentling of the Dragon Reborn, it&#39;s a little more plausible.</p>

<p>Anyway, just thought I&#39;d leave this here! Seriously can&#39;t wait for Season 3.</p>
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Found a book source for...

S1 Fan Script Opening Scene

Listening to the OST, I couldn't find the piece that plays during the penultimate scene of Season 2, when Rand is proclaimed as the Dragon in Falme. Has it just not been released yet?

<div class="md"><p>Listening to the OST, I couldn&#39;t find the piece that plays during the penultimate scene of Season 2, when Rand is proclaimed as the Dragon in Falme. Has it just not been released yet?</p>
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Music playing during proclamation scene in S2E8

Jon from WoTUp! channel has posted another one of his "Insider Info" videos. No concrete evidence, he says take it with a grain of salt, but  he does seem to have a competent spy network  of people attached to the production. And apparently what he has been told is that S3 may be dropping as early as March.

He said in the video that he is clearing up his calendar next March and April. If this is true, then we should really be reading more into Sarah Nakamura's Twitter post from a few weeks ago when she was asked if she was going to be going to JordanCon and she said she wasn't going to at first, but then she said she was planning on going.

JordanCon is being held a little later than usual next year, from April 25th to April 27th. Sure sounds like a good "coinciding with Season  3 Finale" date to me, if that is the case.

I won't have time to reply in this thread, I have a busy next few days...but I am interested in what you think!

<div class="md"><p>Jon from WoTUp! channel has posted another one of his &quot;Insider Info&quot; videos. No concrete evidence, he says take it with a grain of salt, but  he does seem to have a competent spy network  of people attached to the production. And apparently what he has been told is that S3 may be dropping as early as March.</p>

<p>He said in the video that he is clearing up his calendar next March and April. If this is true, then we should really be reading more into Sarah Nakamura&#39;s Twitter post from a few weeks ago when she was asked if she was going to be going to JordanCon and she said she wasn&#39;t going to at first, but then she said she was planning on going.</p>

<p>JordanCon is being held a little later than usual next year, from April 25th to April 27th. Sure sounds like a good &quot;coinciding with Season  3 Finale&quot; date to me, if that is the case.</p>

<p>I won&#39;t have time to reply in this thread, I have a busy next few days...but I am interested in what you think!</p>
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Season 4 in March 2025?

So first, let me open with I'm a HUGE show fan.  I actually think season 1 is often under-rated.  If it were up to me, I would watch season 50 of the show.  One episode for each chapter of the books.  Actually, that works out to a little less than 100 seasons, and I'm okay with that.

That said, as much as I like the show, its still not gaining the traction I would like it to gain.  If it could gain GOT popularity, then it would be more likely to get the 8 seasons they originally wanted.

If we think about why GOT got popular, it did this by primarily NOT being a fantasy show.  I know that sounds silly because IT REALLY IS FANTASY.  However, both in written form and in TV form, the series extends Fantasy to new area's.  It moves beyond  the typical Sword and Sorcery.  And sure, a bunch of Nak3d-ness probably ended up HELPING it overall.

Lets face it, AFTER GOT, people's expectations of fantasy has changed.  Or rather, very briefly, Fantasy escaped the clique of DnD players and comic book readers so that your regular office workers were talking about Dragons.  And it wasn't a group of nerds arguing if a Red Dragon is more powerful than a Gold or Silver dragon.

If you look at the somewhat LUKE WARM reception of Rings of Power, I think a lot of that has to do with people wanting their FANTASY to be more than Swords and Sorcery now.  Had those show runners instead leaned heavily into the mythos of the Silmarillion (like the Creation Myth) that would have shown the viewers something deep, intriguing and unique.  Instead, and this is just my opinion, those show runners kind of turned the orange sherbet of Tolkien's world into vanilla.  As a result, how does it intrigue the viewers?  What does it offer that Willow or The Witcher or Shadow and Bone do not???

GOT and HOTD gave the people something different and it worked.  As we learned from Gladiator, viewers are a mob.  Give them something different, something they've never seen before, and they will love you for it.

This, I think, is the real strength of Wheel of Time.  IT GOES BEYOND FANTASY!  Its this crazy mix of technology, eastern religion, sci fi, reincarnation, probability (Ishamael's reasoned excuse for going dark) and who knows what else.  There's so much here that would break the mold.  That would make it a show that appeals to a wider audience than the typical fantasy show.

Any way, seems weird to bring up the Finn last, but I think the Finn will be a perfect time to introduce the viewers to the real MEAT of the Wheel of Time.  At this point, they have to start taking chances.  If they want to really thrive and reach a wider audience, they need to take risks.

Fantasy will always be niche.  If they want GOT popularity, they need to expand beyond that.  Nobody warps fantasy like Robert Jordan.  SHOW US JORDAN'S world!  Show us the FINN!  









<div class="md"><p>So first, let me open with I&#39;m a HUGE show fan.  I actually think season 1 is often under-rated.  If it were up to me, I would watch season 50 of the show.  One episode for each chapter of the books.  Actually, that works out to a little less than 100 seasons, and I&#39;m okay with that.</p>

<p>That said, as much as I like the show, its still not gaining the traction I would like it to gain.  If it could gain GOT popularity, then it would be more likely to get the 8 seasons they originally wanted.</p>

<p>If we think about why GOT got popular, it did this by primarily NOT being a fantasy show.  I know that sounds silly because IT REALLY IS FANTASY.  However, both in written form and in TV form, the series extends Fantasy to new area&#39;s.  It moves beyond  the typical Sword and Sorcery.  And sure, a bunch of Nak3d-ness probably ended up HELPING it overall.</p>

<p>Lets face it, AFTER GOT, people&#39;s expectations of fantasy has changed.  Or rather, very briefly, Fantasy escaped the clique of DnD players and comic book readers so that your regular office workers were talking about Dragons.  And it wasn&#39;t a group of nerds arguing if a Red Dragon is more powerful than a Gold or Silver dragon.</p>

<p>If you look at the somewhat LUKE WARM reception of Rings of Power, I think a lot of that has to do with people wanting their FANTASY to be more than Swords and Sorcery now.  Had those show runners instead leaned heavily into the mythos of the Silmarillion (like the Creation Myth) that would have shown the viewers something deep, intriguing and unique.  Instead, and this is just my opinion, those show runners kind of turned the orange sherbet of Tolkien&#39;s world into vanilla.  As a result, how does it intrigue the viewers?  What does it offer that Willow or The Witcher or Shadow and Bone do not???</p>

<p>GOT and HOTD gave the people something different and it worked.  As we learned from Gladiator, viewers are a mob.  Give them something different, something they&#39;ve never seen before, and they will love you for it.</p>

<p>This, I think, is the real strength of Wheel of Time.  IT GOES BEYOND FANTASY!  Its this crazy mix of technology, eastern religion, sci fi, reincarnation, probability (Ishamael&#39;s reasoned excuse for going dark) and who knows what else.  There&#39;s so much here that would break the mold.  That would make it a show that appeals to a wider audience than the typical fantasy show.</p>

<p>Any way, seems weird to bring up the Finn last, but I think the Finn will be a perfect time to introduce the viewers to the real MEAT of the Wheel of Time.  At this point, they have to start taking chances.  If they want to really thrive and reach a wider audience, they need to take risks.</p>

<p>Fantasy will always be niche.  If they want GOT popularity, they need to expand beyond that.  Nobody warps fantasy like Robert Jordan.  SHOW US JORDAN&#39;S world!  Show us the FINN!  </p>
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The show needs to show the FINN if it wants to thrive, or even survive, past season 4.

So with the series that I appreciate, they need to and have already cut some things. Whether right or wrong that is not at issue. But what could still happen, what could change and what could not really happen any more?

- I think most of Morgase will be removed and changed to other people as we skipped the introduction, but it might still happen. All she does of note is the trial in the end of I recall correct.

- Perrins trial could still happen as we see the root cause happen in the show.

- I hope what Brandon hinted, that we already saw matt's ashendarai is wrong. We do need his Ailfin and Eelfin for the memories as I feel that is core to Matt, but I could see other ways, which would sadden me.

What can we still see? What might we see. What couldn't we see any more?


<div class="md"><p>So with the series that I appreciate, they need to and have already cut some things. Whether right or wrong that is not at issue. But what could still happen, what could change and what could not really happen any more?</p>

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<li><p>I think most of Morgase will be removed and changed to other people as we skipped the introduction, but it might still happen. All she does of note is the trial in the end of I recall correct.</p></li>
<li><p>Perrins trial could still happen as we see the root cause happen in the show.</p></li>
<li><p>I hope what Brandon hinted, that we already saw matt&#39;s ashendarai is wrong. We do need his Ailfin and Eelfin for the memories as I feel that is core to Matt, but I could see other ways, which would sadden me.</p></li>
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<p>What can we still see? What might we see. What couldn&#39;t we see any more?</p>
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What may happen and what not?

Last week’s RoP numbers fell to 346.4M. Variety is a reliable industry trade and the Luminate numbers come out more quickly than Nielsen (they’re historically within +/- of each other, so I expect this to be pretty accurate). You’ll notice this was a 7% drop from the week prior, meaning RoP has been in the 300s for several weeks now. Meanwhile, WoT never once fell below the 400M mark.

RoP opened much stronger, but appears to be following the S1 performance of viewership dropping off. It will be interesting to see how ratings perform next week with the battle for Eregion.

Personally, I think S2 is a lot better, so I’m a bit surprised by this.

WoT is really the overperformer here… hopefully someone at corporate notices.  

<div class="md"><p>Last week’s RoP numbers fell to 346.4M. Variety is a reliable industry trade and the Luminate numbers come out more quickly than Nielsen (they’re historically within +/- of each other, so I expect this to be pretty accurate). You’ll notice this was a 7% drop from the week prior, meaning RoP has been in the 300s for several weeks now. Meanwhile, WoT never once fell below the 400M mark.</p>

<p>RoP opened much stronger, but appears to be following the S1 performance of viewership dropping off. It will be interesting to see how ratings perform next week with the battle for Eregion.</p>

<p>Personally, I think S2 is a lot better, so I’m a bit surprised by this.</p>

<p>WoT is really the overperformer here… hopefully someone at corporate notices.  </p>
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WoT S2 officially over performing RoP (so far, with 2 episodes left).

As I'm writing this, I've already watch the show since August this year, and I know that die hard book fans are still "salty" about it not being a perfect adaptation? But nonetheless, I love the story, lore, cast a lot!

I've been on fandom wiki and researching so much info about the world and magic system. 
And I've been blasting "like a Raging sun" soundtrack in my ears for weeks 🥰

<div class="md"><p>As I&#39;m writing this, I&#39;ve already watch the show since August this year, and I know that die hard book fans are still &quot;salty&quot; about it not being a perfect adaptation? But nonetheless, I love the story, lore, cast a lot!</p>

<p>I&#39;ve been on fandom wiki and researching so much info about the world and magic system. 
And I&#39;ve been blasting &quot;like a Raging sun&quot; soundtrack in my ears for weeks 🥰</p>
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I Love this show sm!

The Shadow Rising audiobook read by Rosamund Pike is out today

 Rosamund Pike has signed on for a new high profile TV drama and for Prime’s biggest competitor, no less.

Ring of Power season 2 appears to be a miss as well so maybe Prime is cashing out on big-budget fantasy dramas?

Hoping for the best, though. In

<div class="md"><p>Rosamund Pike has signed on for a new high profile TV drama and for Prime’s biggest competitor, no less.</p>

<p>Ring of Power season 2 appears to be a miss as well so maybe Prime is cashing out on big-budget fantasy dramas?</p>

<p>Hoping for the best, though. In</p>
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Does this mean bad news for season 4?

Ishamael was using power before rand broke it. He shielded moiraine. So he was not just playing with mind. How did he use powers while he was trapped. How was he able to affect people's dreams while being trapped. And if he could use powers while being trapped, why couldn't the other forsaken? 

No spoilers please.. 

<div class="md"><p>Ishamael was using power before rand broke it. He shielded moiraine. So he was not just playing with mind. How did he use powers while he was trapped. How was he able to affect people&#39;s dreams while being trapped. And if he could use powers while being trapped, why couldn&#39;t the other forsaken? </p>

<p>No spoilers please.. </p>
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Watched s1,s2. If Ishamael was trapped in the cuendillar, how did he get out before Rand broke it? 

So is he just some really powerful One Power user? Or is he something else entirely? Or do we just not know? 

<div class="md"><p>So is he just some really powerful One Power user? Or is he something else entirely? Or do we just not know? </p>
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