also manifesting forty episodes

Moiraine destroying the Seanchan ships. It's not 1:1, but in Crossroads of Twilight, Egwene contemplates destroying ships as they sail into Tar Valon:

From where she sat her horse, she could have set fire to every one of those ships, or simply cut holes through their hulls and let them sink. The work of moments. ... [But] even one death would make what she did using the Power as a weapon. ... A sister who had sworn on the Oath Rod would not be able to make herself set those weaves, perhaps not even to form them, unless she could convince herself she was in immediate danger from the ships. (CoT, Ch 16: The Subject of Negotiations)

Two things worth noting, [1] Book Egwene is much more powerful than Book Moiraine, but since the show seems to be scaling up female channeling strengths, Book Egwene and Show Moiraine might actually be pretty close in strength, plus Egwene seems to think it would take considerably less effort than Moiraine uses in the show; and [2] Egwene does decide that she can't destroy the boats, but she allows that it would be possible if she could "convince herself she was in immediate danger from the ships." In the book setting, that's highly unlikely; for Moiraine facing a fleet of apparent darkfriends and the imminent gentling of the Dragon Reborn, it's a little more plausible.

Anyway, just thought I'd leave this here! Seriously can't wait for Season 3.

Listening to the OST, I couldn't find the piece that plays during the penultimate scene of Season 2, when Rand is proclaimed as the Dragon in Falme. Has it just not been released yet?

Jon from WoTUp! channel has posted another one of his "Insider Info" videos. No concrete evidence, he says take it with a grain of salt, but he does seem to have a competent spy network of people attached to the production. And apparently what he has been told is that S3 may be dropping as early as March.

He said in the video that he is clearing up his calendar next March and April. If this is true, then we should really be reading more into Sarah Nakamura's Twitter post from a few weeks ago when she was asked if she was going to be going to JordanCon and she said she wasn't going to at first, but then she said she was planning on going.

JordanCon is being held a little later than usual next year, from April 25th to April 27th. Sure sounds like a good "coinciding with Season 3 Finale" date to me, if that is the case.

I won't have time to reply in this thread, I have a busy next few days...but I am interested in what you think!

So first, let me open with I'm a HUGE show fan. I actually think season 1 is often under-rated. If it were up to me, I would watch season 50 of the show. One episode for each chapter of the books. Actually, that works out to a little less than 100 seasons, and I'm okay with that.

That said, as much as I like the show, its still not gaining the traction I would like it to gain. If it could gain GOT popularity, then it would be more likely to get the 8 seasons they originally wanted.

If we think about why GOT got popular, it did this by primarily NOT being a fantasy show. I know that sounds silly because IT REALLY IS FANTASY. However, both in written form and in TV form, the series extends Fantasy to new area's. It moves beyond the typical Sword and Sorcery. And sure, a bunch of Nak3d-ness probably ended up HELPING it overall.

Lets face it, AFTER GOT, people's expectations of fantasy has changed. Or rather, very briefly, Fantasy escaped the clique of DnD players and comic book readers so that your regular office workers were talking about Dragons. And it wasn't a group of nerds arguing if a Red Dragon is more powerful than a Gold or Silver dragon.

If you look at the somewhat LUKE WARM reception of Rings of Power, I think a lot of that has to do with people wanting their FANTASY to be more than Swords and Sorcery now. Had those show runners instead leaned heavily into the mythos of the Silmarillion (like the Creation Myth) that would have shown the viewers something deep, intriguing and unique. Instead, and this is just my opinion, those show runners kind of turned the orange sherbet of Tolkien's world into vanilla. As a result, how does it intrigue the viewers? What does it offer that Willow or The Witcher or Shadow and Bone do not???

GOT and HOTD gave the people something different and it worked. As we learned from Gladiator, viewers are a mob. Give them something different, something they've never seen before, and they will love you for it.

This, I think, is the real strength of Wheel of Time. IT GOES BEYOND FANTASY! Its this crazy mix of technology, eastern religion, sci fi, reincarnation, probability (Ishamael's reasoned excuse for going dark) and who knows what else. There's so much here that would break the mold. That would make it a show that appeals to a wider audience than the typical fantasy show.

Any way, seems weird to bring up the Finn last, but I think the Finn will be a perfect time to introduce the viewers to the real MEAT of the Wheel of Time. At this point, they have to start taking chances. If they want to really thrive and reach a wider audience, they need to take risks.

Fantasy will always be niche. If they want GOT popularity, they need to expand beyond that. Nobody warps fantasy like Robert Jordan. SHOW US JORDAN'S world! Show us the FINN!

So with the series that I appreciate, they need to and have already cut some things. Whether right or wrong that is not at issue. But what could still happen, what could change and what could not really happen any more?

• I think most of Morgase will be removed and changed to other people as we skipped the introduction, but it might still happen. All she does of note is the trial in the end of I recall correct.

• Perrins trial could still happen as we see the root cause happen in the show.

• I hope what Brandon hinted, that we already saw matt's ashendarai is wrong. We do need his Ailfin and Eelfin for the memories as I feel that is core to Matt, but I could see other ways, which would sadden me.

What can we still see? What might we see. What couldn't we see any more?

As I'm writing this, I've already watch the show since August this year, and I know that die hard book fans are still "salty" about it not being a perfect adaptation? But nonetheless, I love the story, lore, cast a lot!

I've been on fandom wiki and researching so much info about the world and magic system. And I've been blasting "like a Raging sun" soundtrack in my ears for weeks 🥰

Ishamael was using power before rand broke it. He shielded moiraine. So he was not just playing with mind. How did he use powers while he was trapped. How was he able to affect people's dreams while being trapped. And if he could use powers while being trapped, why couldn't the other forsaken?

No spoilers please..

So is he just some really powerful One Power user? Or is he something else entirely? Or do we just not know?

I was aware of the books but had never read them before, just randomly started watching it. I liked the show overall but I have to admit that second season was much stronger than the first. If I had to wait for the second season, I would have probably dropped it. Luckily, I got to watch both seasons together and I am looking forward to the next one. Here are some of my thoughts:

• I love that they shot on location and didn't CGI'd everything. Some of the visuals are breathtaking

• Interesting magic-system in regards to only women are able to use the magic while keeping their sanity. I believe we'll see why men aren't able to do magic properly in later season(s)

• Visual presentation of the magic is not well-depicted (in first season), the CGI improves a lot in 2nd season

• Title credit is simply beautiful. Love it

• I like that Morraine is the character we follow, instead of the four youngsters.

• I was spoiled on who is the chosen one early on, so that mystery was quite dead for me.

• I don't understand what is up with those white-robed religious fanatics. How are they so powerful that they can do anything just outside the reach of Tower.

• Nyneave is supposed to be super powerful, but her powers didn't make sense in episode 4 season 2.

• As for the relationships, I don't mind Rand/Egwene, like Morraine/Siuan and the throuple. Nyneave/Lan seems to come up out of nowhere and feels forced.

• I feel second half of the 2nd season is where this show truly shined. Every storylines merged wonderfully to give amazing televison. The episode focused on Egwene was one of the best.

• If Aes Sedai have long lives, do their Warder also live that long. Or do the Aes Sedai has 2-3 Warders throughout their life.

• Lanfear's character seems interesting, she doesn't appear to be one-note villain.

• Really want to know what exactly happened in the past that set their civilizations back by thousand of years

Lanfear implied she wanted to kill Moiraine while she slept. Understandably, Moiraine refused to sleep for… well, seemingly a few days.

But, why wouldn’t Lanfear (or Ishamael for that matter) simply enter the dreams of any Aes Sedai and kill them?

Presumably it should be easy to kill Siuan for example, but they let her stay alive even before they crossed paths. For what? Is there a larger plan at play here (yes/no is an ok amount of spoiler haha) or is this just more of a typical fantasy oversight, where such extreme power is applied selectively and we just kinda look the other way?

Similarly - if Liandrin is working for Ishamael, and he has asked her to kill Moiraine, why couldn’t he just do it himself in a dream? Or why wouldnt he have killed her in the S1 finale at The Eye? This may be separate, if somehow Liandrin is lying and using Barthanes to do her own bidding and this has nothing to do with the desires of The Forsaken. Is this because she wasn’t told that Moiraine has been stilled?

Different question entirely, but why did Lanfear need Master Domon to dump the cuendillar into the ocean? Why couldn’t she have just done it herself with absolute ease? I guess that’s what the other forsaken were trapped in— but how was he able to break it open? It’s clear Lanfear loves Lews Therin, but does she not also want to WIN and have The Dark One take hold? Or is her love more powerful than that? She hardly seems dark in the end here— especially by somehow spitting Moiraine out in the exact spot where they needed to be. And, I guess she lied to Rand about them being dead weight? She just knew where to put her pieces into play.

Also, kinda confused (maybe rightfully, as someone in this world might be?) about how we have the Seanchean, the White Coats, and the Aes Sedai all proclaiming to be working toward The Light. Yet clearly the Seanchean are working directly WITH the dark as they’ve taken Falme. Am I getting this right? What’s the deal here?

PS— Watching Nynaeve struggle to channel is SO last season. Really not invested in her arc. Not being able to channel to save Elayne from the arrow… come on. And she didn’t even come thru in the finale at all. What is her purpose?!

PPS— I love to hate Liandrin Sedai, but wish we got to see the outcomes of her actions in this season’s resolution.

PPPS— Yes, I just watched the finale now so I am raw LOL. Hopper!!! The horn?? Go Mat!!

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Her name is Madisin Rian. The main issue is that she's a model, not an actor.

But if she has any acting chops whatsoever, the casting is perfect, she looks exactly like Tuon basically.

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Just wanted to share 2 thoughts...

1. As I eagerly await the theater screening for RoP, I was reminded of the idea that the unofficial plan was to alternate RoP/WoT seasons. Obviously, while plans can change, that at least makes me hopeful for 5 seasons, even if they are slow to green light 4. After all, Prime Video must have a lot of trust in Judkins if they are also tasking him to helm God of War.
2. Rotten Tomato reviews for RoP S2 are worse than S1 of RoP and both seasons of WoT so far. From my experience, the score tends to go down, not up, as more reviews are released. While this doesn't "bode" anything, I do hope there's SOMEONE in Amazon who realizes that they have an underdog in WoT that is over-performing their big budget show...

Just making conversation, I guess, seeing what other people think while we wait for official news.

Searching for Wheel of Time news every day on YouTube and Google has been slow lately. But I did find to my surprise there is a Wheel Of Time game from 1999 that's $4.99 from the GOG website. Also, Amazon has reprinted the Eye of the World graphic novels which I'm reading.

The game might be fun if you are missing Wheel of Time content. If you just want to hop around in something like Rand Land it might work. Its kind of like an early Doom shooter set in something like the Wheel of Time world. You can tell they at least tried to pull in elements from the books. Just seeing Rand Land in a video game is enough to make me happy, so I'm enjoying it as far as I've gotten (act 3).

The comics are pretty good (SO FAR!) with three annoying flaws. First, they decided they needed BOTH their own intro as well as the classic Lews-Therin and Ishamael intro. This is bad because if you didn't know better and read only the first intro, a book fan would be immediately turned off, thinking the entire series was a made up version of the story. This would be sad, because the rest of the novel follows the books pretty well, at least as far as I've gotten (Volume Three of the graphic novel: basically Shadar Logoth and its aftermath).

The second major problem is that the art style changes due to them changing artist, in particular Volume 3. Volume 3 (of the comic) isn't drawn very well and looks pretty bad, which is sad because it contains some really cool scenes. It looks like by Volume 4, the style reverts back to the earlier volumes which look a-lot better. I don't know what the rest of the series looks like, as they are on order now.

The third flaw is that they never continued the story, so you might only be stuck with Eye of the World. I think New Spring might also exist but I'm not sure. If the Eye of the World continues on with the current quality, I'd get New Spring for sure.

Anyway, I got the comics because I just wanted to have Merch. And enjoying them is a bonus. The game is a fun throw back to early games as well as Rand-Land nostalgia. I'm reading and playing them really really slowly, just until Season 3 is ready!

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Edit: it was brought to my attention that they are starting the Great Hunt as a graphic novel! Here is a fun interview with the author:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_is0__dF4

Quick question regarding a specific weave. When Moghedian trapped Lanfear in the spider like weave at the end of season 2, was it an air weave or spirit weave? Just wasn’t sure cause it was just a white weave and spirit weaves and their capabilities haven’t really been shown to my knowledge.

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(Marcus Rutherford as Perrin & Isabella Bucceri as Faile)

I hope the TV series does a good job in representing the nuances of their relationship from the book.

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(Perrin art by Seumas Gallagher & Faile art by the_spoiled_egg)

In anticipation of the release of Rosamund Pike's version of The Shadow Rising audiobook next month, it's got me thinking about Season 3. When are we going to get it? Don't know, but we know it's coming. It's my favorite WoT book, and what we know so far from cast and crew also has me stoked.

In one word for me: Rhuidean. Especially the way they will be featuring Josha in "heavy prosthetics." Also, Tanchico and what the girls (and Thom, perhaps) will be doing there. Several cast have talked about how they actually built a real Sea Folk ship, and the set of a dank tavern where everyone looked like cuthroat and it was so much fun that when the filming was done, there was a party on the set.

So what do you want to see?