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My Crazy Warcraft Theory

Okay okay here me out!

In the beginning, there were seven First Ones, who then created the Material, and the various Zeriths. They then gave themselves to their creation and it began right? So here is my theory:

Each of the First Ones gave themselves to be "used" or a part of their intended force, Light, Void, Order, Chaos, Life, and Death, and had a intended Custodian to make sure Balance was maintained, and I think that there is a distinct connection between the First Ones, World Souls, and the various Pantheons.

Aman'Thul is the false Custodian of Order, and the true villain of Warcraft. He was the right hand of the slumbering Custodian of Order (everything grew like fungus). Instead of allowing them to awaken, Aman'Thul imprisoned them within their world soul (the planet of K'aresh). Intended to keep the Order, he became overzealous in his duty and began to corrupt the other Custodians he could find with the help of several others of his kind (the Ordered) the likes of Khaz'goroth, Norgannon, Golganneth and Aggramar. He managed to corrupt not only Eonar, the Custodian of Life, but Sargeras, the Custodian of Chaos.

He attempted to, or even failed entirely to corrupt Elune, the Custodian of Light and had yet to find Argus, the Custodian of Death or the Custodian of the Void. His corrupted, Sargeras who spent long amounts of time away from the Pantheon, weakening the false Custodian's grasp over him, found the Custodian of the Void. His chaotic impulse then drove him to destroy the slumbering world soul, against the corruption of Order that Aman'Thul had instilled. This allowed the Void to be unleashed not as a balanced force to check Light, but a plague of darkness throughout the Cosmos. Then Aman'Thul found Azeroth, a being who was capable of being much more then any other Custodian. He could not corrupt her, so he sought to use her. He attempted experiments with her Spirit to replace the destroyed Void Custodian, which resulted in the Old Gods, upon which he chained them and created his victor's story of them being from the Void, because he could not destroy the Spirit of Azeroth. Sargeres's threat caused him to have to leave Azeroth in order to confront him, and resulted in the destruction of the Pantheon from the enraged Custodian of Chaos.

Aman'Thul is a herald of Order and the false Custodian of Order, the world of K'aresh held the true Custodian of Order, bound by Aman'Thul and destroyed by the Void (Xal'atath maybe) for retribution of the Void Custodian's death.
Eonar is the Custodian of Life, corrupted by Aman'Thul, the Freya is her herald, corrupted by Order.
Elune is the Custodian of Light, hiding from Aman'Thul, the Naruu are her heralds.
Sargeras is the Custodian of Chaos, corrupted by Aman'Thul, freed and then trapped by the Pantheon, the demons are his heralds.
Argus was the Custodian of Death, corrupted by Sargeras, purified by Zoval, the Pantheon of Death are his heralds.
The Destroyed was the Custodian of the Void, Void Lords like Xal'atath (we have only seen a piece) are his heralds.
Azeroth is the Custodian of Balance, and we are her heralds.

Order being contained and destroyed by Aman'Thul due to his hubris that he held a better idea or notion of Order over Balance, allowed the overall flaws of the design to begin, the cracks appearing. Eonar being bound made the Emerald Dream bound and finite instead of the endless spring and well of life it was intended to be. Sargeras being bound resulted in the death of another Custodian, chaos at the most extreme. Argus being bound by Sargeras allowed death to be less regulated, souls finding their ways back to life even if they shouldn't... And Zovaal attempting to purify Argus into his true form, and then purify the cosmos into its' true form when he realized Sargeras's might as a Custodian over Argus. The fact that both the Life (by Order) and Death (by Chaos) Custodians were corrupted lead to the resulting undead within the Material and the freedom of the Light Custodian and death of the Void Custodian lead to the dramatic fluctuations of Balance between the Forces of the Cosmos. I think that Elune, as the last "free" Custodian has been attempting to correct this imbalance by assisting other Forces such as the Pantheon of Death (her sisterly bond with the Winter Queen), Eonar and Life with all her assistance to the Green Dragons, Emerald Dream and Night Elves, and I think that the forces of Light betrayed her to wage their own corrupted war against the other forces. Which is why we see the dissociation of Elune and Naruu/The Light, because of her connection to other Forces outside her own.

I think that because of Aman'Thul's disruption of the design, Azeroth is in jeopardy of of not fulfilling her purpose, to shepherd the balance of these Custodians. These heralds, Aman'Thul, Zovaal, and Xal'atath, are attempting to fulfill designs that they do not understand. Aman'Thul through the control of the Custodians for Order, Zovaal through remaking the design again anew with Custodians intact, and Xal'atath attempting to even the scales by killing all the Custodians as hers was. Xal'atath will then attack Elune, destroying her as we finally to stop her, though we discover this truthful history. This leads to a confrontation between the Pantheon and Sargeras, caused by Xal'atath's final actions, which results in the death of the Pantheon at the hands of Sargeras, finishing what he started on the Doomed World, and then his death at our hands with Illidans help. This now leads to six of the seven Custodians, K'aresh, Eonar, Sargeras, Argus and the Destroyed dead. Azeroth will awaken, and we will see her choose new Custodians from the mortals that have gathered to help, which will allow balance to be maintained among the cosmos. These new Custodians will be:

Medivh as the Custodian of Order
Ysera as the Custodian of Life
Velen as the Custodian of Light
Illidan as the Custodian of Chaos
Sylvanas the Custodian of Death
Azshara as the Custodian of the Void

This will allow Warcraft 2 to be a refocus on smaller scale on new planets that our heroes spread to as we build new kingdoms and worlds across the Material, threats slowly build over time from the inside. Our threats are all this historical things that we have to learn about and uncover, this would allow the threats of the future to come from things that we, by virtue of saving Azeroth and maintain the design, are responsible for because they are able to exist. The Azerothian Era becomes the new Elder Days as new threats, born from our actions in the past, mature and rise to the levels that our characters once did, and just as before, we heroes must rise again to meet them.

Thanks for hearing my crazy theory! I will probably update it as people point things out and add their own thoughts! Have a good day!

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Might be time to get back into PvP in Warcraft 3! My first ever win, last year as someone who always put off trying out melee games. Orcs of course, not smart enough yet for another faction!

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Help trying to play Warcraft 3

hello all! i recently picked up Warcraft 3 at a thrift store and put it in my laptop using an external disc drive and downloaded Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos and the Expansion, The Frozen Throne, then i had the realization that the disc needs to be in my laptop constantly to play, obviously that's an issue i don't want to have an external disc drive 24/7 when i want to play, is there any way i can play without the disc being inserted? thank you!

(also downloading Reforged is out of the question my laptop is probably too weak to run it, it takes up alot of space and apparently it sucks)

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Anyone read it? If so, how did you like it?

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This feels like home - have you read Warcraft books?

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My Zekvir's Liar ?? Tier clear

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Getting back into free to play WoW level locking at level 10 with a shaman! Easy clearing a WoD dungeon solo without enchants or full BiS. Shout-out to XPoff and the WoW20 discord.

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13:17 UTC

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Could anyone tell me what book is this?

I only know this book is related to warcraft. However, I don't know how to look for it because I don't have the title. Could anyone help me?

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The First Portal to Azeroth - Warcraft 30th Anniversary

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Why does Battlenet Warcraft 1 takes so much space?

I was checking out the classic Warcraft 1 game, and I noticed that while originally needing like 50 MB on Battlenet it writes it needs 1 GB.

Why the sudden and sharp increase? Is it a remaster? It doesnt write so...

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How is Rogue Falling Damage calculated?

I’m trying to figure out how much falling damage reduction I can realistically expect to absorb safely as a rogue? Is this mechanic the same as a druid in cat form?

Secondly, is this augmented by the Pandaren racial “Bouncy”? I recall their racial used to be a -50% fall damage reduction at one point but no idea if that is still the case.

Any help is appreciated.

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Help to find booklet inside Warcraft Movie book

Masters, I have since it's release the book launched with the Warcraft movie, regionally printed in Portuguese. Now I noticed that the US version of this book have a small booklet inside of it on Khadgar page that do not exist on my book, it shows on minute 2:00 of this video: https://youtu.be/WcfxgjX29g0?si=Y_AsxDKXhfh2ez5R&t=119

Please someone would have good images of this booklet to let me print it?

Thanks a lot and regards

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While running firelands for the mount i noticed something odd

ok so with my army of alts from mists remix i decided to park them in front of raids and slowly but surely get all the things, while doing this i got a green ring from cata era, the name of said ring Mereldar Ring of (insert stat type), like i know shes a named character from background lore thats thousands of years before the events of warcraft 1 but it is odd that she has several things named after her with being a background character, would that mean that some how she remained relevant to both branches of humans, the arathi across the sea named a city after her and we know her teachings are the basis of the church of holy light, and beyond what little we have she isnt that relevant to really anything so maybe more lore reveals in the future?

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2024/09/12
09:27 UTC

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Anyone selling Warcraft Legends Vol'jin statue?

Pretty much what I'm asking for in the title.

See below for what it looks like:

https://preview.redd.it/hysztz8sn1od1.jpg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=184e7d0d0aaa965a66dade48677d7f3b14510ec9

Ebay or Facebook marketplace works for me. If something else works, lemme know.

Thanks!

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Religious belief and WoW

Was following a typical chat dispute where one person mentioned their Christian faith. When playing Cata Classic on a Sunday morning of all times. The irony made me curious and I certainly do not want to judge. How does a devout Christian/Jew/Muslim/etc justify playing a game based on a cosmos that is... well, a mess, but certainly not monotheistic? Ignoring lore? Playing a pally and rp'ing that 'The Light' is at the center of it all? An opportunity to convert the unbelievers? Warcraft did not follow Tolkien's path of the cosmos being created by the one god Iluvatar, so that argument does not fly (my point in chat, but after like 50 lfg posts since OP, which is why I am here).

I am old and antediluvian enough to be branded a satan-worshipper for playing Dungeons and Dragons before the 'flood' of computer games. On the other hand D&D creator Gary Gygax was a Jehovahs Witness, so things are never as straightforward as you would think.

I would especially like to hear from believers. And let's aim for the Golden Rule and hear others as you would like to be heard, whether you are religious or not.

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19:28 UTC

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