Especially noticeable when comparing Jefferson Mays who reads the audiobooks to Gladwell’s voice in a podcast like Revisionist History. So it could partly be these two men and how they talk. But the prose is the source.

Anyway, here is the kind of thing I mean.

“If A had B, this is the moment C would arrive.

A did not have B.

Nothing arrived.”

It’s this drumbeat of the inevitable logical argument. Made more dramatic by repeating the proposition and the conclusion it implies (or in this case, what the negative implies.)

I like the style. It just hit me that they both do this kind of thing. It isn’t really a style as much as a technique. Their styles are of course different in other ways.

Am I reading too much into what I hear in the narration?

Hi all! I've been reading the expanse series and I'm on book 6 (Babylon's Ashes) and I've noticed something in this and the previous book. One of the things I loved about the first four books was how it had both the alien/proto molecule stuff and the social/political conflict at the same time and made both seem equally important.

In books 5 and 6, however, I've been disappointed to see that the alien/proto molecule stuff is taking a back seat. It's made the books less enjoyable to me. Does this trend reverse at all?

Thanks!

Just finished The Sins of our Fathers after also reading all the other short stories in Memory's Legion. Seeing what happened to Filip and where he ended up was fascinating.

It wasn't that long ago that I finished Leviathan Falls and someone suggested Memory's Legion, which for me turned out to be a great option to revisit my favourite universe one more time. Seeing Erich again was also great.

Reading the Expanse now and loving it. But for the life of me, I don’t understand what the big kickoff event, the destruction of The Canterbury, wasfor. Why lure them to that deserted asteroid, and then kill everyone on board? Wouldn’t have been enough to destroy all the water—that would have caused a huge uproar? And why leave James Holden alive? But why do it at all? What am I missing?

Hello all,

I finished Leviathan Wakes last week and can't put this series down. Absolutely amazing.

I started Caliban's War and then realized that there are books inbetween the main series books (ie 1.5). What order should I read these in? My original plan was to read the whole main series and then go back and read the other books in the future but I am wondering if I will miss any key plot points doing this.

Thanks! Stoked to rip through this series.

Of course everything that I find is the TV series symbol, which I haven't watched and I don't think I will. I would really love to find patches and such (like for ironing on jackets etc) that are in the original OPA design that looks like a crude drawing. Does anyone know where I could find that sort of thing??? Thank you so much.

I am reading Tiamat's Wrath, and mid-way through....

Why is Duarte and later Trejo so insistent on battling a war with the builders of the gate? I thought while the union was running the gate system they did not lose a ship for like years at a time.... Did the Laconions not even look at how well the organized Union ran the gate system?

Was this revenge for that last laconian destroyer that went through the gate, in the previous book, and got the Dutchman?

Or is it just their personality they can't live with any entity that is of more power than they are?

It seems that just calculating the amount of energy and matter you put through the gate like the union was doing means you can live quietly using the gates without much issue.

What am I missing here?

He should have never thrown away the Roci´s protomolecule hidden sample that connected him to Miller; he literally could have avoided everything since Inaros

Spoilers will be highlighted and start just below. I just finished Book 3, Abaddon's Gate, and am still trying to process Melba's character.

!Were you all convinced by Melba/Clarissa's redemption arc? What about the way the other characters interacted with that part of the story? I listened to a few recaps (podcasts, one YouTube vid) and there was not too much mention of it, but as a small example, just to start, I found Tilly's reaction, though a more minor character, a bit of a stretch (she is a pretty straight shooter knowing how the game is played politically otherwise, but somehow lets emotion fog her lens in in this case for this woman she is connected to via family and power?).!<

!Then you have the bigger players like Holden and his crew who are willing to sort of give her a pass because of Anna's involvement? I get the frontier justice and my enemy is suddenly my friend as the stakes of the game change (and to an extent I understand the author bringing in big ideas like humanity and religion--grace and forgiveness in this case--playing a part in this big change in the "world"), but Melba/Clarissa's crimes seem greater than the "we've all done bad things" actions of the Rocinante crew previously. This was really mass casualty, blowing up a spaceship, framing Holden for it, and then going after him and the crew in full blood lust (never mind the chain of events she started with all of that). Are we meant to consider the humanity of terrible enemies? To consider terrorism or blood lust from a different angle? Then you have Cortez and Ashford not taking proper precautions with this clearly dangerous person? I am willing to suspend disbelief, but I found Melba's redemption less convincing (though I know it is important for the storytelling now and probably in future books) and needed a little more to make it stick the landing. Even at the end Amos is somewhat flippant with her in getting her involved as a crew member with maintenance despite the chance that she could "flip out" at any time. I understand her as POV of an antagonist and she is obviously critical to propelling the action along and saving the day, but somehow there is too much "loose cannon" to her and I feel the other characters behavior is out of character or less cautious than they normally would be? !<

Anyone feel the same?

I just finished Leviathan Wakes and I want to check out the tv series before moving to Caliban’s War, is the tv series adaptation in chronological order with the books? Book 1= Season 1 type of thing?

Just wanted to share with a few people. Two minutes ago, I finished the last book in the series and I'm feeling melancholy. Damn, what an ending. (don't worry, no spoilers) Kind of saw it happening, still got me in the feels. Kind of wish there'd be more, the epilogue had an interesting thing going on. Not yet sure what the next Corey series is about.

Anyway, wanted to drop a hi to everyone else who's finished the Expanse series.

I'm making my way through Leviathan Falls and it mentioned The Price is the only ship to survive going dutchman, but didn't Elvie save the Falcon from going dutchman a book or two ago? Did she give an emergency shutdown command and the energy dropped it below the Slow Zone limit?

I'm on audiobooks so flipping through pages isn't an easy option and it's been a couple months since I finished Tiamat's Wrath.

I read books 1 and 2 a few years ago. I don’t remember much. Was thinking of looking for a summary on Wikipedia and then jumping straight into book 3. What do you think?

I’m up to Ch23 of Leviathan Falls. I need to ask someone: by now the crew of the Roci knows that Duarte has lost his mind correct, via Teresa (and Holden suspected something was up). Does the underground know this? Are they not exploiting this knowledge? Is this not now common knowledge?

And, what’s still secret is that he’s disappeared. Does Elvi know this?

Please no spoilers for the books.

My library hold just became available after finishing Babylon’s Ashes a few days ago and I’m curious whether I’m missing anything crucial if I read it later? I’ve seen the series so at least I have some context.

I've started relistening to the Expanse series. Working through the nine main books, plus the shorts, in chronoligical order.

Just finished Abaddon's Gate and I realised just how much Milliar's "doors and corners" is a >!preminision for conclussion of the whole serries.!<

I wonder if Daniel and Ty had that planned out, or if it is just coincidence.

Decided to re-read Persepolis Rising and something odd stuck out to me. The crew is well-aware of the implications of cutting off Freehold for three years on the way there but no one seems to remember the lifesaving yeast that Prax discovered which can grow eatable proteins from nothing but free CO2 in the atmosphere.

Why would they not have brought some to Freehold? It's a minor oversight overall, PR is a great book but this sticks out as odd on a second read.

So I’ve been reading the expanse series, I love it. I use chat gpt semi regularly to help with work tasks and I use the “read aloud” function to listen to the content as I work on other things.

I noticed some strange anomalies in the voices reading, like random shouts or mixed voices blending indistinguishably in the pauses between paragraphs or headers. So that prompted me to do some research into how open ai sourced its voice features. Turns out they more or less mine tons of audio data from cellular & communication companies and feed their artificial intelligence terabytes of human audio data to get the averaged out cadences, flow, punctuation etc. to sound and feel right

It IMMEDIATELY made me think of the Eros incident with the protomolecule. Millions of voices all locked away together blending into something else completely different, unaware, & reaching out…

I’m kind of tripping balls here, like the sounds that chat gpt is making in between the content being read aloud SOUNDS like blended voices shouting and reaching out in shock or mild fear.

Anyways. That’s my thoughts on ai and the protomolecule

Same.

Just had a quick question, I’ve just finished Cibola Burn, and have moved onto Nemesis Games. I immediately noticed that the printing is more faint than that found on the previous 4 books. Is this just how the printing is, or is it a quality control error that slipped through the cracks?

Cheers, Hedge1915

I'm in the middle of Nemesis. Without major soilers... Can someone tell me if any of the recurring characters end up joining the crew?

I would love that, but I don't know if I should keep waiting it. I want a bigger crew, and one with some of the secondary characters, like the martian marine.

I've been loving the series so far, but Babylon's Ashes is a real drag. I'm about 200 pages in and I feel like nothing has happened besides Pa betrating Marco and Marco not being happy with it. Other books had me grabbed by this point, with a mystery in place, but here it feels like there's 0 plot so far. Does it get better? Or do I just have to trudge through this book to get to the next ones? I'm also not a fan of the amount of differing POVs so far, 4 felt like a perfect amount but here it keeps changing and changing.

Just started the series. This guy is fucked up, yall. He’s got this creepy overtly sexual obsession with this much younger woman who he’s only seen in pictures and he believes has been raped in the past. He’s having visions and shit where they’re together and he’s not even the classic “fucked up but brilliant detective” archetype, he’s just fucked up and sort of stupid too. I hope he dies fr

Love me some Holden tho the guy is just trying his best

I've listened to the book multiple times, and recall the slingshotter receiving the video from the girl he like, and she was sleeping with is brother, or something like that. Someone else, regardless.

Now I'm listening to it from a different source and her video is just a benign message.

I remember details about the other scene, so I'm certain that I am not confabulating it.

Is there anything newer than "The Sins of our Fathers"?

So here’s my question I am on book 5 of the series and I’m wondering if some seems in book 5 are a foreshadowing of what’s to come? Miller kept talking about this empty spot on ilus and there seems to be a dead spot in the asteroid belt in book 5. In my opinion, Proto molecule isn’t the enemy.

I loved this series. I want to reread it. But between school and work, I have no time to reread it. So I got the audiobook!

I hate Jefferson Mays’ voice. I’m very sorry to the man, but come on, a stealth ship fires torpedoes at the Cant, and no one sounds even remotely bothered by it. “Fast movers. Six of them.” They’ve all got the demeanor of trained military professionals ready to deal with it instead of civvies who should be shitting bricks right about now.

…so, back to the original question: are there other audiobooks? I’m only finding Mays on audible.