Discovery using her warp drive for a change which would be kind of weird if she got a super drive that would be the fastest drive in the galaxy that would make even the Borg and voth salivate.

Finally got around to watching Season 5.

And I am blown away! It was really good Star Trek: science, action, decent character and world building, and also staying in the roots of Trek.

I thought season 4 was decent as well.

I am glad this show ended so strongly. I have been a fan since the beginning, but I am not blind to its faults.

Hi folks,

First time posting.

I was reading about the WWII era atomic bomb tests at bikini atoll and nearby Kwajalein and noticed the similarity in the names (Kwejian vs. Kwajalein) and in the theme of a people being displaced from a vibrant, natural home by a destructive technology/force from another culture.

I was curious if anyone had any to suggest the name was an intentional reference or if was just a coincidence?

I definitely don't have the trek background here some folks do - so forgive if this has been covered before or there is a earlier source that is already clear on the name's origin.

Thanks!

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I would love an episode or a few in any series that makes sense to bride the gap and give a canon story that gives us augment Klingons, disco S1 Klingons and our "normal" TMP/TNG+ Klingons pre war. Thoughts?

He should have died in S4 E13. The fact that the writers didn't just let him die was a mistake and detracted from the gravity of everything that happened.

Then, the Federation let him off with what amounts to community service, which was is unforgivably ridiculous.

• He was an accomplice to the theft of the highly critical Spore drive prototype from Starfleet
• He fired upon a Starfleet vessel (Discovery)
• He used banned weapons and stolen technology to attack the DMA
• He conspired to Sabotage a Starfleet vessel (Discovery)
• He was an accessory after the fact to the kidnapping of a Starfleet officer (Reno)
• He undermined the peaceful negotiations with a previously unknown life form which nearly resulted in the destruction of two planets (Earth, Ni'Var), billions of people, the Discovery and her crew.

IDGAF who he was banging, he never should have seen the light of day again.

Just wondering if anyone knows of plans to serialize the last season in book form? Might be interesting. I have not watched it. I stopped at season 4.

I was just watching that episode in S3 where Tilly is promoted to 1st officer, and I just shut the TV off. I don't dislike Tilly, but no matter how hard I try I just can't immerse myself in the show after something which undermines the most basic premises of not only the show but the entire franchise.

The show was already on thin ice for extremely questionable writing, an exhausting excess of mawkish heart-to-hearts, near constant lapses in believability (and that's without considering in-universe logic), a disappointing dearth of interesting scientific concepts (hello, it's called science fiction), and pretty much everything about micheal burnham (I'm sorry but nobody that consistently and sociopathically arrogant and impulsive would last five minutes in a high-stakes team environment, let alone a quasi-military institution like starfleet).

Am I alone in this? I find myself avoiding newer shows these days because the writing is just getting worse and worse. The scripts read like the writers procrastinated and submitted it the night before.

Biggest highlights for me were Doug Jones as Saru, Michelle Yeoh as evil Phillipa Georgiou, Tig Notaro as Jett, James Frain as Sarek, and the Culber/Stamets romance (one of the best romantic pairings I've seen in ST). Tilly was fun, but I hate how little real stuff they gave her; she felt like 95% undifferentiated ditzy awkward mawkish girl trope. The spore drive was a wonderful premise that they somehow both wasted and coasted on.

Honestly if they'd rewritten the show around similar themes with an assembly cast rather than making it the Micheal Burnham show, it would have been much much better. As it is, the show feels like Micheal Burnham is a less interesting, less believable, and less likable Reginald Barclay and that everything we're seeing is actually just one ling kopfkino of her elaborate delusions of grandeur while she scrubs conduits on the lower decks because she hasn't the discipline or humility to do anything more important.

Star Trek has always been about people who were part of something bigger than themselves that is not a religion or a shared hatred for another group of people. Whenever people act selfishly and act unaccountably, 95% of the time they are shown to be in error (as is usually the case in real life) and they learn from it--they learn to communicate better, to trust their colleagues, and they learn that even if they're correct it doesn't give them the right to force their will onto others or holding themselves to a different set of rules than everybody else. Micheal Burnham's character seems to reinforce the exact opposite message. That in itself wouldn't be so bad if it were believable, but it isn't. Even if you're a true Cassandra--you're right and everyone else is wrong but nobody will listen to you--that doesn't mean you can fuck the rules and everyone else and do what you think is right. After Burnham's second direct order violation in S3 (when she goes to ge the black box), you're out. A Starfleet crew--any crew for that matter--cannot and would not operate with someone like that aboard. It cannot operate with someone who's willing to risk ALL SENTIENT LIFE EVER in the galaxy because she wants her mother back.

I used to watch TNG, DS9, VOY etc. and marvel at the ideas they'd come up with and how they built the stories. Like most things, when you see masters of their craft at work it seems like magic. It was fun to think about the writers working together to build all of those wonderful stories. And to do that over multiple decades producing 500+ episodes of material! Amazing. When I considered that, it's like those 90s Trek shows were home-baked dishes made with so much sincere love and care whereas Discovery is a litany of out-of-date ready-meals in fancy packaging. I genuinely believe that a non-negligible percentage of Star Trek superfans could write something better than Discovery, or at the very least their notes would have significantly improved it. Like, how are these people hired? Is the industry's commercial side making the job so mechanical that all the talented writers are taking their talents to different industries?

And yes, I also hate that Kirk was promoted from cadet to captain in the film. I didn't like that either, but it was just one film and not the first real Star Trek series in 12 years, so it didn't feel as much of a loss. Some with Harry Kim in VOY; he should have been promoted. But the Harry Kim thing was a small detail that rarely mattered in practice, and it's still eons more believable than Tilly's promotion which has major consequences for the story.

Sorry. Rant over. It just makes so little sense to me. It constantly feels like the world's incentive structure is producing increasingly garbage outcomes, and this is an example of it happening in TV. Of course, the grand scheme of things the quality of TV shows is the least of our concerns when it comes to bad incentives and garbage outcomes. I guess it just reminds me of the broader problem.

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Hey everyone, new here so forgive me if this has already been discussed but something in this episode really bothers me. Essentially, Tilly is in charge of these young cadets, one of which dies in the crash, yet at the end of the episode Burnham is laughing and joking with her and there are no repercussions. Like, that cadet was someone's child, Tilly was responsible for them and yet here we are having a jolly at the end. Am I missing something?🤣

I just finished discovery season 1 yesterday and I was really digging him as captain. He seemed like a practical captain that wasnt obsessed with the federation ideals that would get them killed if the plot armor didn't save the day constantly. My question is, did I miss something why did he become a villian over the emperor? She seems way more evil than him. Sure he dragged them into that universe but he seemed not as bad as the lady who eats aliens (who was saved). I felt his gruesome death wasn't justified at all. Albeit, I was taking care of my kid during this episode so I might have missed something.

'The Sisko' and Picard were heavy hitters that ignited the flame for me. But Pike and Lorca have carried it admirably. (Can you imagine Lorca in, "In the Pale Moonlight"!? Yeah, he could live with it.)

...Also, it just occurred to me that SNW could bring some closure to Prime Universe Lorca. Felt like an open loop. If wishes were horses then, uhm, Pike and horses and make it happen or something.

Bit sad Lorca had to go all "villain of the week" at the end there. He had nuance for many many episodes before that. Sometimes it doesn't pay to go home, just brings out the worst in you, again.

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Been watching the documentary series “The Center Seat”. In an episode about “Star Trek: The Animated Series” there are clips from the animated series showing Spock as a child. Having watched the Discovery episodes with the childhood Spock, the animated childhood Spock looks very much like the actor Liam Hughes when made up as the childhood Spock in Discovery. Does anyone know if the young Spock’s look in Discovery was intentionally made to be like the young Spock in the Animated Series?

The being (who is inferred to be the sphere data being…but I like to think may be a Q), says Phillipa is going where the timeline splits into the Terran Empire and the Federation. I was deeply disappointed to find that it wasn’t shown at the end of the episode (but I’m sure it was a money issue). Personally, I believe this moment to be the scene at the end of First Contact when Cochran either shakes the hands of the Vulkan or shoots him in the chest with a shotgun. Thoughts?

Discovery has been my first Star Trek experience and needless to say I’m in love. Theres only been one thing to break my immersion and that’s Commander Nilssons wig in season 4. Does anyone know why her hair took such a drastic change?

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...And I thought I'd share some of my thoughts. I'm still processing it, so maybe discussing it with other people here will help. I really enjoyed the show. It's far from perfect, I have some criticisms, but after 5 seasons I'd become attached to the story and to these characters, and it was hard to see it end. Which I find is often the way with the really good stories. I'm going to talk about finale spoilers, so you've been warned.

Each season is so different, I thought I'd do a quick breakdown of my thoughts on each one:

Season 1 is... surprisingly good. I'd avoided watching it before now because when it came out I saw ST nerds hating on it everywhere and thought it must be bad. I get that it's different from previous ST shows, but when you watch it on its own without making comparisons, it's a fun watch. I enjoyed watching Lorca even though I knew he was a villain: Jason Isaacs has so much charisma and screen presence.

Season 2 is Discovery at it's absolute best. Season 1 is a bit dark, but season 2 is a thrill ride from start to finish. There is plenty of action and excitement, they keep the tension high throughout, but they still find time to develop some great characters. My family and I had watched Strange New Worlds before starting Discovery, so seeing more of Pike, Spock, and Una felt like a gift. I could go on.

Season 3 is... a little slow, but I understand if the writers felt they couldn't exceed what they'd done with season 2, so they chose to go in a different direction. Each season of this show has such a different feel. The pace is a lot slower in season 3, the scope smaller... I do wish they'd spent more time world-building. We're dropped into the 32nd Century but we see very little of what's happening in the galaxy. The Emerald Chain are the villains but we hardly know anything about their culture, government, and even where their territory lies. Also, they only seem to have one ship. Oh well.

Season 4 is, in my opinion, the worst of the 5 seasons. It's just boring. It's like their budget got cut so they're spending all the runtime on the characters and hardly ever showing what's happening outside the ship. Everyone spends so much time talking about their feelings, it's like the whole cast is in therapy. The writing just doesn't feel very good in this season.

Season 5 is fun. After two dull seasons the show finally returns to action-adventure, an Indiana Jones quest for an object with supernatural powers. What a great way to end the series. We finally get a bit of world-building: the Tholians are mentioned, and we see quite a bit of the Breen(!). I actually liked Moll and L'ak. Kinda wish Moll had been less edgy and hadn't fought Michael inside the Progenitors' world, but I'm glad she didn't go fully evil and die, either. Rayner started out as an asshole but after a couple episodes I loved him. Amidst an over-reliance on science-babble about molecules and spores and dark matter, it was great to have a character who is more of a man of action.

And this brings me to the final scenes, which are what I'm still struggling to process:

First off, sending Zora into exile felt cruel. I guess I did see Calypso once, a long time ago, but I'd forgotten all about it. Surely the writers could've explained that away and given Zora and the ship a better ending. Emotions aside, it doesn't make sense that Starfleet would send Zora and the sphere data off into deep space for decades or centuries. When it was time to decommission Discovery, Zora should've been transferred to somewhere like Starfleet HQ. I'm sure the sphere data could've been moved if she'd allowed it, and she and the data could've benefited the Federation as a whole. Throwing away 100,000 years of information and marooning a loyal crewmember makes no sense.

And lastly, the final scene: up until this scene, the epilogue had felt positive. Michael and Book were happy, living in a beautiful place. They were older, but far from old. Michael seemed to have found happiness and a purpose beyond 'the mission'. Their son looked too young to be captain, but hey, he's got a famous mom. And then the last scene felt shockingly different: an older Michael, alone on a dark bridge (save for an already-lonely Zora who sounded like she'd waited years to see her), losing herself in memories of days gone by and the people who weren't there anymore. It was honestly a little heartbreaking. And I don't know why they chose to end the show that way.