I just finished my third watchthrough of DS9 and I can finally say I'm in love with the show. I've seen it praised here endlessly, and I've always furrowed my eyebrows asking myself why. For me the show has been an acquired taste. I never saw it on TV. I also didn't watch it the first time I watched all of Startrek. I tried but gave up halfway through the first episode because it felt too different.

Now, I'm a fairly recent fan of ST. I started watching it after Discovery had started airing and went through all the old series in in-universe chronological order, but skipping DS9. I only watched it a year later when I was craving new Star Trek and there was nothing else to see but DIS and DS9. (This was before Picard and the rest of NuTrek.) I did not like it that much the first time around. It took about two seasons to get into it before I warmed up to the characters (except Sisko; I disliked him until the very end. And well, lets not forget Ezri. Ugh!). And I was still too accustomed to ST being an actual trek through the stars.

Then I bought all the dvds to be able to watch ST whenever I want and decided to even buy DS9 in the off chance I'd want to rewatch it. I did. It was so much better the second time around, I was surprised. I even started liking Sisko. The actor has a special way of expressing himself, and I guess I needed to get accustomed to it before I could appreciate it.

Now, this year I've been watching TNG era shows in release order, alternating between the shows. I just finished DS9 and have 2 seasons left of Voyager and I feel so sad it's over. Voyager (my first love and old favorite) doesn't feel that good any longer. I just wish I got one more season of DS9 to wtach, and then one more... Even episodes with Ezri were nice this time around and I'd love to see more of her. (I'm in a bit of a chock about this, having hated her for so long, but it was actually fun to get another kind of Trill in her.)

DS9 feels like vintage wine. Besides being timeless, it just gets better with age. I realised watching it, that there are hardly no bad episodes at all in it. It's so well written and filmed I'm in awe of it. It was made for TV but it works for streaming even in modern times when we're accustomed to watching a 10 episode season in a rapid pace. The slower but well-written pace just makes me savour it more.

How I wish they had done TNG and Voyager this well! Both shows are great, but DS9 is a masterpiece. The chraracters and character arcs, the villains, the plot, everything. I'm still processing the fact that I could dislike this show in the first place. It's like a hidden jewel you need to find and clean to make it shine, and then you realise it's one of the most beautiful you've ever laid your eyes upon.

For years now I've been saying that Voyager, Enterprise and SNW are my favourites. Not anymore. DS9 actually just took the first place with SNW as a great second, pushing back the others to a third place with TNG.

Okay, rant over. I'll go watch Voyager now, and try to forget my yearning for more of DS9. I mean, there's always some Tuvok and Neelix to laugh about.

“The Disease” is one of my favorite episodes of the FRANCHISE.

And if they did, how NUTS would they be? I envision like Fist of the North Star taken to the Nth degree.

For Ferengi of COURSE they'd have comics, and they'd be as gentle as possible.

Even though I didn't get into TOS, I watched enough of it to know that there was a shift in tone in Starfleet, a lack of "cowboy diplomacy" as Spock would say, and lack of cheating as Kirk's remarks in the Shatnerverse novel "The Return", and even Chekov makes a comment in the novel "The Ashes of Eden": "The rulebook? We broke the rulebook," and Sulu also falsified his logs during the events of TUC.

The 23rd century Starfleet officer, or at least, Kirk's crew didn't care about rules, regulations or the Prime Directive, it seems like they lie and cheat for the greater good and ignore the Prime Directive to save countless worlds. Kirk and his crew were lax with the rules and quick with their phasers as Janeway says.

What changed in 24th century Starfleet to make Starfleet so rigid and strict with rules, regulations and with the Prime Directive that they would allow worlds to die.

Why does hardly anybody in Star Trek say goodbye before they hang up? They just finish a sentence and then end the transmission 😂

“I wonder if the carpets match the hull”

I laughed.

It keeps getting mentioned but I'd love to see it maybe as a movie or a small series.

So im rewashing deep space nine and I've noticed in the early episode (pre first contact uniforms) the deep space nine crew wore the uniforms that the voyager crew wore. Division colors on top and black on the bottom.

However the next generation uniforms would make an appearance from time to time. When the founders made their way to Earth for example, Sisko returns to Earth and he's wearing a next generation uniform rather than a DS9 one. What is the deal with this? Was only some of starfleet wearing the deep space nine uniforms and the other half wearing next gen?

Conspiracy, Threshold, Genesis, Schisms have got to be up there.

Threshold is the most terrifying to me, I have only watched the entire episode once but it was enough to leave the images seared into my memory.

I’m curious if the writers had any plans for how/when they would get home at the start of the series. Have they talked about anything like that in interviews?

Primarily because I just generally like DS9 better, Voyager has its moments, but its got Berman's prints all over it, plus every Chakotay episode that delves into his "Culture" is just painful to watch, especially knowing it was written by known fraud Jamake Highfaker.

I would like to start watching Star Trek, but I'm unsure which series/era I should watch. I've only seen the J.J. Abrams Star Trek films and I'd liek to know what I should watch.

Maaaan I've watched all the treks numerous times and I want to see what the community thinks about who the best overall everything medical doctor is.

For me it's Bashir vs the EMH. One genetically modified human on the frontier of medicine with both his specific region of space as well as the Gama quadrant versus the EMH who is equally on that frontier 70,000ly away but is also a program that feels like it's as advanced as a positronic brain.

*note this was thought about during my Xth watch of DS9

Ate any good books lately?

I know this will be a personal question, but what episode of any of the 9 series (not counting tas), would you pick as your most meaningful/the one that resonated with you the most?

Especially I think the Wicked Witch, since Orions are a thing...

TNG is by far the best trek show and is rightly revered.

It's not perfect of course. I truly despise the episodes Rascals and Genesis.

Rascals usurps some of the best characters and replaces them with children. Annoying children at that.

Genesis just doesn't make sense to me. Characters "devolve" into unrelated creatures. Worf has a venom sack? Barclay was a spider? It doesn't make sense, especially given The Chase was an earlier episode.

Side note: the theme tune is too loud when the orchestra starts.

They should've just let Archer and Phlox actually debate, show off how smart these two Characters actually are beneath Phlox's fun naturde but a strong personality and Archers aloof wide-eyed man-child nerd with more hope and an even bigger heart lays these 2 very intelligent people, probably only T-Pol comes close (maybe Reed but not Hoshi or Trip, for them it's more mastery), breakdown their facades and let them duke it out.

The writers could've gave it their all on trying to try to do seasons 1-3 West Wing Aaron Sorkin writing

Two reasons but first a question:

In Peter David's "Vendetta", did the updated Planet Killer have its own eco-system? Creatures that have adapted to consume what's left of the planets? Or were there any small trailing vessels who would profit off the destruction of planets? Or was that all in my head?

Anyway, reason one it was so easy to destroy the Planet Killer and why such a simple stratagem worked

1. Any society that can create something like that out of solid f***ing NEUTRONIUM is so way past atomic weapons that they probably never considered it.

2. The second reason is even simpler. It's anti-fusion weapon right down its throat system...was broken. If it came from another Galaxy it would have spent centuries at least out there.

Does anyone know where I can find the fixed version of the klingon victory song from Birthright? By fixed, I mean the original version has no meaning? I heard that someone fixed it so that it actually translates to something?

The subplot with Ro and Riker hooking up, the way it's done come soff as very...icky to me, always has. Both have their memories wiped by a hostile force, not like some random medical issue, so Ro for some reason after being mind screwed thunks hooking up with somone she doesn't know at all is a good idea. RIker even brings up that they don't know if they are married or might even hate each other, but the epsidoe plays this off as cute. I know this is the early 90's but did the idea of informed consent not exist back then? Imagine if they were married to other people, it wouldn't be cute would it? Idk, ever since I was a kid this blase attitude about having sex without any information at all struck me as being in really in bad taste, or just really a bad idea at least. And then a the end Troi is for some reason mad at Riker but not Ro, who was the aggressor, the episode ends like a sitcom, like wahaha Riker. Idk, I know I sound like a prude, I'm not, beleive be, it's not the sex, it's the beyond irresponsible way this was done, if the 2 hooked up when their minds weren't fucked with I wouldn't care. What do you guys think?

In several TNG and VOY episodes (and probably other series too), bridge crew are surprised by unexpected/unauthorised launches of shuttles off the ship. This happens on ships like the Enterprise and Voyager, both technologically advanced ships with shields, force fields and complex computer systems.

In light of this, how can someone turn on a shuttle without activating any alarms and then, in particular, fly it through the shuttle bay force fields and ship shields without authorisation?

Surely these ships should have technology in place that prevents people from basically stealing a shuttle and flying off with it.

Recently rewatching Star Trek Voyager Season 3 Episode 24 ‘Displaced,’ the Nyrians are missing a major part of their plot: Who are they defending themselves against? They never mention a specific enemy in dialogue, and after the episode they’re never seen again (for obvious reasons). Their obsession with defence is the reason why they commandeer other people’s stuff in the first place. The Nyrian’s unknown attackers are never revealed, unlikely to be touched on again, leaving questions to be answered.

However it is in my belief that the Nyrians were attempting to defend themselves against a very well known and very powerful species: The Borg. The evidence isn’t the easiest to find on screen, and one has to look at Voyager’s episode listing to figure it out. The key to this theory lies mostly on 2 factors that connect to one another: Nyrians proximity to Borg Space & the Nyrians Trans-Locator.

While the Borg are never mentioned in the episode, a mere 2 episodes later, Voyager reaches Borg Space, in ‘Scorpion Part 1.’ The time between 2 episodes wouldn’t be very long, so it’d be likely the Borg could reach Nyrians Space in minutes using Trans Warp. This would explain the Nyrian necessity to build up a defence force, their people lack the ability to build fleets of vessels, so they scramble to take other people’s stuff in order to defend themselves. The Nyrian invasion of alien colonies and space stations could be explained as them branching out, making themselves harder to fully track down, in case the Borg assimilate the Nyrian home world. Humans did something similar in an alternate timeline against the Xindi, despite this occurring after Earth was destroyed, not before.

The second point is the Nyrians Trans-Locator technology. It’d make sense the Borg would want to assimilate the technology. And we know the Borg hadn’t assimilated it as of 2401, otherwise the Borg would’ve been able to trans-locate drones light years before their ships reached planets. This was clearly not seen in Wolf 359, the battle of Sector 001 or the Frontier Day Incident. The Nyrians obviously wouldn’t want to risk their ships with Trans-Locators being assimilated, and perhaps the technology was an integrated system, impossible to remove from already existing ships. This would give the need for the Nyrians to seize control of other people’s ships.

This is only a theory, but it’s the most likely theory on this subject I know of (the only one on this subject I know of). The most likely reason the Borg hadn’t attacked by the time Voyager arrived at Nyrian space was due to the war with Species 8472, occurring at the time. After the war, the Borg could’ve very well attempted an invasion of the Nyrians, but the Nyrians could’ve seized the fire power necessary to hold them off. After all, Janeway got the crews of the captured ships home, but never were their ships mentioned.

Did Voyager leave federation tech with the civilization on the human colonized planet? She mentions that they, like earth, had achieved post-scarcity.

Do any of the member planets in the Federation engage in trade or commerce as we know it? I know earth has moved beyond such considerations, but do any of the other planets still have monetary systems?

you know how in star trek into darknesss the vengeance basically pwnd the enterprise which was a constitution class heavy cruiser a premier frontline ship.

got me wondering...

how many ships would it take to stop a rogue vengeance class dreadnought in 2259? like how many miranda or constitution or discovery era ships like the walker class or crossfield class (or abrams verse equivalent)

what do you think? like does starfleet have any ship that could actually stop the vengeance or it's basically game over for them?

I might have missed this and it’s coming part two. But if 200 years have passed in the outside world, wouldn’t the dude’s partner be dead, even if she survived whatever event they are trying to undo?