Instead of Covid-19, we have ALZ-113. How would the real world handle it? Would it actually wipe out humanity like it did in the movies?

Simian flu doesn’t even behave like covid. Especially because it causes hemorrhaging. So you shouldn't compare it to covid at all.

Will make a separate poll for human villains later.

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I just want to know cause he is JACKED.

I just finished the book, and it's an easy 9/10.

I'll keep the spoilers to an ABSOLUTE minimum because that's how I like to dive into books, but it's also about a human created virus that accelerates the evolution, and especially the intelligence of an animal species, and you watch their civilization evolve over generations.

Except in stead of apes, it's SPIDERS

The writing is fantastic and, being a novel, it gives you more of a look inside the mind of these creatures as they evolve themselves and their world.

I do think the Apes movies have some more compelling characters/emotional stakes, but they are both wonderful explorations of how Sapience might manifest in other species, and at holding a mirror up to humanity in the process.

what are some other books or movies that are similar to the Apes franchise?

Im going to remake ape city to my liking :)

Just picked it up, am I in for a good watch?

I just made this up but the general concept of it based thousands and thousands in the past in a warmer earth with a utopian like world 1 continent where lizzard people are ruling the world and then some mad scientist like lizards is experimenting on people trying to make them smarter by injecting some of there own dna into them. But that scientist possibly becomes a outcast and continues it in private but then there is some type of new virus that emerges from the people that causes perminent genetic damage to the lizard people that causes there offspring to be born with out arms or legs so then this collapsing lizard people race is becoming reliant on the smart people for a time but then the mind of the lizzard people also begins to change so they are no longer as smart and they just become normal snakes.

Would you guys watch a prequel like this?

I still think Beneath the Planet of the Apes is the weakest out of the original 5 Movies. However, one of the main reasons I had for disliking it as a kid, was that the logic of the cult didn't make any sense. They prayed opera to this bomb that was supposedly their savior weapon, but it would literally destroy the world if it went off.

I thought that the sheer stupidity of this idea was enough to consider the movie bad. Imagine trying to defend your own house with this. Instead of getting a lock, or a weapon of some kind, you instead invent a device that will literally destroy the whole world. I would hardly consider that weapon "protecting your home."

Nevertheless, I have grown up a bit, and I've realized that, just like the ending to the first movie, Planet of the Apes (1968), This is a reaction to Human war in the real world. Apparently countries were literally designing bombs that could destroy the whole world, as a sort of blackmail to defend against countries that might invade them, literally saying:

" Don't attack us, or we'll destroy the world."

These movies were quite ahead of their time

The two fan favorites

This pairing could be a lot of fun. I was surprised at first that they didn't meet in Kingdom. Personally, I don't think either one is dead - but that's just my opinion, of course. Here's how I could vaguely see it going down: The movie opens with showing how Raka survived the rapids. Raka later finds an injured Proximus washed up on the beach, and teaches him the true ways of Ceasar, educating him on the reality of what things were. After Proximus lost to Noa in the first movie, he is now humbled. We get a redemption arc where he tries to rebuild his "Kingdom" the right way. It would also be interesting if Raka heard what happened to Noa and Mae after he got washed away from Proximus's POV, and if that would change how he views humans or not. I would love a scene where they debate their different philosophy ideas and motives. I think Raka would try to keep the peace between the humans and apes' conflict, but not without issues. I could easily see it being a subplot to Noa and Mae's main plotline in the sequel. And in the third movie, Noa and Proximus could be allies instead of enemies.

It's also ironic that both Raka and Proximus "died" by water. I think it would be a massive, missed opportunity to not bring them back in some way, shape, or form. I'm not a big fan of bringing characters back from the dead, but I'd make an exception with these two; they still have so much stuff to offer the story imo. Peter Macon (the actor who plays Raka) has said this in the past: "I feel like this film has laid a very rich foundation of further difficult conversations. Kevin Durand and I talk a lot about like, 'What would it look like if Raka and Proximus sat down and had a chat?"

Remember: No body, no death. Do you agree or disagree? Or would you like to see something else entirely?

Personally I would devote more screentime to the relationship between ceaser and his wife during dawn of the planet of the apes. It just was always so strange to me that we never saw more of them other than he being sick and getting cured to help ceaser trust humans more. Would also make her death even more impactful to the audience in war even though that scene is just already amazing.

In the 1968 movie, we see apes, humans, and horses. The apes are wearing a lot of leather, so are they just using horse leather? As fun as it is to imagine Taylor running around screaming "ape leather is people", that concept might be too dark?

Just to start a discussion but I feel like the comics don't really do much in terms of creating a story. The recent comics with Nova just felt like a convoluted way to have Nova be able to speak at some point. Probably the most interesting concept of that was the idea of Beneath's ending being retconned and creating a separate continuity.

Maybe it's just me, but I think the comics should create a new protagonist have them land in a world that's bananas. And mix and match concepts from all other Planet Of The Apes media. Create their own world version that could be in continuity or out of continuity. Just something new.

I also feel like these new ideas should be fleshed out. An issue I had with Beware The Planet Of The Apes was you had genuinely great designs and concepts with a Gorilla army with medal armor and weapons that enslave gibbons. And they're gone with no real understanding of how their society works, the implications of other Ape civilizations.

I thought that if we were to follow this nuclear route the new saga at the end would have some kind of time travel to the Rise era... Could even James Franco and Ceaser meet Mae and Noah?