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We are growing relentlessly, carrying out deforestation and eradication of other species, exhausting fish stocks, using up our resources to the limit and competing over what remains. Instead of converting a diversified biomass into more and more humans who will intensify the process, let's aim for a lower, stable, more mature population. We have the means, we need the will.

Planetary impact ≈ Consumption × Population

The growth of our human population will eventually end somehow, whether we want it or not. But how will it happen? We can stop growing deliberately, of our own accord. Or we can let circumstances beyond our control stop us under conditions much more distasteful than anything we could decide on our own. Overpopulation concerns are about the welfare of humanity and the health of the planet, our only support system.

The only sustainable population is one where the birth rate is a close match for the death rate where humanity's combined impact on the planet can be supported by the planet's biosphere and ecology, a situation that must be stable and balanced. Clearly this is not what we have now. For the sake of ourselves and our planet, recognition of the overpopulation problem, and identifying the best solutions to it, should be one of humanity's top priorities.

Rules

  1. No racism. This isn't your personal platform to espouse racist views—either directly or tacitly—via overpopulation. This actually hurts the goal of encouraging planetary sustainability—all of humanity is accountable.

  2. Encouraging murder, eugenics, or forced sterilisation is banned. The solutions to overpopulation involve ways to decrease birth rates and encourage behavioural changes and awareness of our impact on the planet—in a way that is compatible with a free and democratic society. Concepts like mass-murder, eugenics, or sterilisation do not accomplish these goals, and only result in the proprogation of extremist ideologies.

  3. Be excellent to each other. No personal attacks, harassment, or vitriolic commentary. Presenting a kind, rational approach to the problem of overpopulation makes it likelier to convince others of the problem that is human overpopulation.

  4. Don't be stupid. Most conspiracy-related material is not on-topic for a discussion around overpopulation.

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Population health charity organizations

I'm curious if folks have favorite charities doing impactful work for problems around population health. It seems there are a number and I was interested in finding ones doing the most impactful work. Thanks in advance!

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2024/11/10
16:11 UTC

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Will Europe have an open door for American women requiring abortions?

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2024/11/06
12:45 UTC

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China is too crowded, even if it's crowded.

https://preview.redd.it/y3ktcp3dm2zd1.png?width=1201&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c86bd9590ee45f85791e1c1d7f6ab5b8905c7fa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgAWnPvn-A

It's hard to get a feel for it from just a photo, but imagine walking around for an hour and 20 minutes and seeing that super crowd of people continue.

12 Comments
2024/11/05
11:47 UTC

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r/overpopulation open discussion thread

What's on your mind? You can chat here if you don't want to make a new post. Or drop in and see what others are talking about.

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2024/11/04
17:00 UTC

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When someone is financially responsible and choose to have 0 to 1 child, they are labelled as greedy and selfish. When someone has 3+ kids and live on government welfare, they are praised as loving parents who are being exploited and oppressed. Is personal accountability even a thing anymore?

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2024/11/01
21:26 UTC

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Be wary when the government, billionaires, futurists, and idealists try to sell you a fantasy that will never be possible. No, it is not possible for us to have over 8 billion people while enjoy the same amount of freedom, choices, resource, and opportunity as we had way global lower population.

At this point, the best way to spread overpopulation awareness is to bring up how the average perso. will be affected by overpopulation. Most people are fencer sitters when it comes to overpopulation. Unfortunately most popular media like Youtube videos go out of their way to pain overpopulation as a myth. They underplay certain statistics and never talk about how local culture/tradition will impact populatjon growth. They blame the 6th extinction solely on fossil fuel and carbon foot print. They act like people don't have to eat, poop, or produce trash.

The way to tackle this is to ask people around you (who are still neutral about overpopulation) that if they enjoy overcrowding and competing for minimum wage jobs against million other people and AI. Ask them if America or Europe should quadrople their population. At end of the rhetoric has to change. Most importantly, understand the fact that middle class families with 1 to 2 children have the most to lose in an overpopulated world. Most of these families worked hard to provide the best possible future for their kids. All those efforts will go to waste if the natalists succeed in scary people into believing "population collapse". Mainstream media is doing a good job of lying to people about that.

14 Comments
2024/11/01
21:19 UTC

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What are 10 billion human gonna be left with when all the forests are gone, animals are killed, jobs are eliminated, fresh water are polluted, and “luxuries” are eliminated? We gonna reap what we sow

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2024/11/01
19:04 UTC

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This is an 8 billion person crowd!!!

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2024/11/01
17:12 UTC

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Venting. I'm exhausted.

I need to vent.

At a very young age, I have always been fascinated with nature and wildlife. I grew up in a suburb that was developing and I'd always get sad whenever I'd see land get converted to housing or a shopping complex. I'd sit there and think, "where are the muskrats going go to go?" "What about the flowers for the butterflies?"

I'm a lot older now, in the environmental field and educated enough to know that so many of the issues we are facing are due to our overpopulation (excessive CO2 in the amtosphere is a symptom, for example).

I either see people point the finger at other groups, you know, the people over there need stop reproducing or they just live in some fantasy world of "if onlys". For example, if only we had nuclear power, if only we didn't use plastic so much, if only we didn't eat meat... if only then we would be sustainable (mind you in absence of the "if only" they are basically admitting we are overpopulated).

Too many of any species is too many of a species. We're global. It's that simple - the pressures of our population and thus consumption need to be reduced everywhere because there really isn't any place on the planet where the local resources can support the local population.

Entire whole ass ecosystems are dependent on people understanding and accepting our own overpopulation. I'm just so tired of hearing the same shit over and over again. And we keep on losing nature because of it. I'm just so tired and need to vent.

16 Comments
2024/11/01
16:32 UTC

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Ex Politician Mentions Overpopulation On Podcast

I live in Iowa and get emails from an ex-senator named Ed Fallon. Ed has a weekly podcast that he shares called the Fallen Forum where he discusses partisan and bi-partisan issues and ends with a segment on food. Him and his partner own a city farm and grow and eat almost exclusively their own produce. This last week, they casually, and frequently, mentioned the word 'overpopulation'. It was so refreshing to hear. As people who take direct actions to ensure they have enough food to feed themselves they understand what it takes to feed an endless amount of people, so they comfortably admit that overpopulation is a problem if we plan on actually feeding everyone sustainably. Here is the link if anyone would like to listen in. https://fallonforumpodcast.s3.amazonaws.com/ff102824.mp3

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2024/11/01
13:53 UTC

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This is only 500,000 people. Can't imagine thinking about 1 billion

Insane to think about, could be even less people than 500,000. Makes you realize how small you are in this world.

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2024/11/01
04:59 UTC

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People who deny overpopulation like Elon are willing to sacrifice the middle class to achieve a “Prosperous Future”. This also applies to all the futurists who claim that equal distribution will be the solution to a global population beyond 10 billion.

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2024/11/01
00:25 UTC

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People deny overpopulation to justify their own wasteful behavior

Whenever you hear someone say "we will never run out of natural resources and most of our planet is empty..,blah blah blah", there is good chance that this person is selfish and wasteful af. Also, having more kids than you and the environment can handle is the most selfish thing you can do.

At this point, we just have to accept that human beings are self destructive. Birthrates have stabilized and we finally have a chance to get population growth under control. Unlike other species, we possess knolwedge and ability to do better with family planning, female empowerment, and reneawable energy. What do our government and "intellectuals" choose to promote even though we are already passed the point of overshoot? They all choose to justify endless human growth. Outside of this sub, "overpopulation" has been deemed a myth even by highly educated people who are not religious or conservative.

We are at the point where people feel the effects of overpopulation but are too afraid to say it, because they will be labelled as a "racist" and "Bill Gates Population Control supporter" etc. When people aren't allowed to blame the most obivous problem, they are forced to do mental gymnastics and blame something else for all of their sufferings. All this "equal distribution of resource" talk is just slow gaslighting people into adopting the idea of "you should be ashamed for owning more resource than the people around you". Eventually, it will turn into "you should happy for owning nothing just like everyone around you." Slowly, more and more item will be labelled as luxury. Eventually, clean water and edible foods will be on that list too.

A significant decrease in quality of life is coming for everyone. With climate change and another 2 billion increase in population, increase in demand for globle resource will outpace population growth. One possible scenario could be "Infinite capital gain for the rich and equal distribution of poverty for the middle class".

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2024/10/31
22:37 UTC

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"Soon we’ll hit a decline we might never reverse" = PURE BULLSHIT. Meanwhile, [Africa's Population Will Quadruple by 2100](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-19/africa-s-population-will-quadruple-by-2100-what-does-that-mean-for-its-cities)

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2024/10/31
06:31 UTC

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1. Increase population -> Drives Up Demand For Basic Goods -> Inflate Prices -> Profit for Billionaires/Government 2. Increase population -> Increase Competition For Low Pay Jobs -> Reduce Worker's bargaining Power -> Profit For Billionaires/Government

The funny thing is that many people knows about this and accepts it. "Yeah, I am okay with making billionaires even more wealthy as long as I get to have 5 kids in my tiny little house."

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2024/10/31
06:27 UTC

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Why government should never carelessly promote population growth using monetary reward.

You don't have to force people to have kids if you are just going to give them money for it. If people find out they can get six figure income for having babies, they are going to take advantage of this program as much as they can. Once this program becomes the norm, every political party will be proposing increasing benefit for couples with kids in order to gain votes. Who doesn't like free money from the government? Not everyone has the decency or common sense to see the catastrophic result of this policy. Most people have that "enjoy now, worry later" mentality. People will become even more entitled due to this policy. No government will dare to pull the plug on their baby boomer 2.0 program once everyone becomes addicted to it. Most people have already bought into the idea that more people equal to better economy lie. If their kids can't find jobs, they will just target one group and blame them. Those parents who depend on government to raise their 10 kids will never look at themselves and ask "maybe we've gone a little too far".

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2024/10/30
21:46 UTC

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Extreme drought areas treble in size since 1980s

BBC News - Extreme drought areas treble in size since 80s - study https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyvje458rvo

This is not going to end well.

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2024/10/30
14:49 UTC

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The absolute narcissism. People who want to have kids, have kids. It's an indulgence they give themselves. It's like saying all Lamborghini owners are doing society a favor by taking good care of their Lamborghinis and not crashing them into stuff.

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2024/10/30
13:32 UTC

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Give me money for having kids...

15 Comments
2024/10/30
11:11 UTC

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Comic hits the nail on the head to people panicking about falling birth rates.

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2024/10/30
00:35 UTC

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Overpopulation

I see a thread that is more suited to this group which was deleted on my AskWomenOver50 group. The thread responses were women over 50 stating they were childless and just fine with it. I am in agreement. The thread was about a woman over 50 who has 2 sons that will not have children. There were many responses from many different women stating the same.

When the population hit 7 billion I watched this video and found it very educational. Its a TedTalk

I have a very unpopular point of view on infertility. I don’t understand why people who are infertile are paying to have babies. Should this really be a matter of money? If Mother Nature (and Darwinism) has made you infertile - why is it that $100,000 -$500,000 makes it possible to change that- and most likely have twins. ADOPT

I am adopted and due to the fact that I am mixed race, I don’t look like anyone in my adopted family or either of my biological families. I’m a hybrid. I’m tall, fast, super intelligent and am 54 with no major illnesses to date. You don’t have to look like your parent to be loved by your parent.

https://youtu.be/fTznEIZRkLg?si=v6fZ2lDCTblF-UMI

8 Comments
2024/10/28
23:09 UTC

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r/overpopulation open discussion thread

What's on your mind? You can chat here if you don't want to make a new post. Or drop in and see what others are talking about.

9 Comments
2024/10/28
16:01 UTC

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Fair pay and shorter hours are all good, but implementing these policies to increase birthrate will only make quality of life worse.

If you increase both income and population at the same time, you are not improving the purchase power of the average individual. You have more people with more money, but the amount of available resource stays the same. Inflation will just skyrocket at that point. This will especially true for housing.

The bottom line is that giving people more money and time to have babies will work as intended. In fact, the result will exceed everyone's expectations. The population will explode. We are going to add a new projection curve for population growth if this becomes reality.

Seeing how most people have bought into the idea of "population collapse", we may be heading towards that future sooner than we think. Also, people are comfortable with the idea of "population collapse" because it helps them to justify their lack of self-control and impulse. People normally don't ask the question "Just because I can do this, does it mean I should do this?" In the end of the day, people are easily influenced by their primal urges to breed. Now governments are openly encourage people to embrace their most primitive instintcts

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2024/10/24
21:53 UTC

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The scary thing is that too many government officals believe in Elon's master plan aka "Earth needs 80 billion". They are all looking at India while thinking "yeah, we want that for our country and our citizens. After all, we can fit 8 billion people in Texas right now"

One honorable mention is Macron: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-19/macron-seeks-more-french-babies-as-birth-rate-crashes

"[Macron] also seems determined to extend a protective hand over would-be parents — and an increasingly crotchety, conservative population — beyond the maternity ward, with proposed limits on screen time that could be enforced by law. “More kids, less gaming" is certainly one way to bridge the gap between generations”

This sounds like some kind of early blueprint for a dystopia future where everyone is forced to breed/work and not allowed to enjoy their own hobby. Any hobby that is "bad" for "birthrate" will be outlawed. It's like the Handmaiden's Tale, but worse. Imagine, you come home from your 10 hours minimum wage shift to your 5 kids running around in your 2 dirty bedroom apartment with a 3000 dollar per month rent. The government will "subsidize" these costs for as long as you agree to be their breeding stock. We are heading into a future where people will literally be treated like farm animals.

In this case, it is actually better being really old in the next 10 years or so. You can check out of this hell hole before everything becomes unbearable.

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2024/10/24
20:26 UTC

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British women are having fewer children in their twenties but more in their thirties.

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/british-women-are-having-fewer-children-in-their-twenties-more-in-their-thirties

When I am on my more negative thinking, this is what I think will happen, and the people surrounding me confirms it. Most couples I know are having their 4-6 usual children, but instead of sprinting through their 20s-30s, they start at 25 and slowly but surely have 6 by 39, so, there is no stop to overpopulation, only delay.

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2024/10/22
22:45 UTC

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A new delusional mentality among the progressives: As long as people are against capitalism and support socialism and green energy, it will be okay for population to grow forever. Also, they will support every kind of scientific prediction except for the possibility of population overshot.

The reason for this kind of mentality is that many progressives believe that billionaires are the ones spreading the "overpopulation lie" in order to prevent more poor people from being born. If you look at the comment sections of Youtube videos that "debunk" overpopulation, you see a lot of people believing that overpopulation is a lie spread by the rich and powerful. However, this cannot be further from the truth when Musk and Bezos are the two most vocal natalist out there. Not to mention government are trying to implement pronatalist policies all over the world.

Society is as delusional as it can get right now. People seriously be like "Yeah billionaires and corporation are greedy and bad! Oh wait, all the elites are telling me to give birth to more serfs for them to exploit? Thank you daddy Elon for saving our species. We were really close to extinction because we don't have 5 kids per family anymore!"

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2024/10/22
18:16 UTC

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Cuba has become a study in how self-sustaining an island country of that size can be. Very little trade + human greed/corruption + limited resources = human population size of 10-11 million for that size area. And most are not doing very well. Fewer people could live more comfortably. A lot fewer.

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2024/10/22
17:53 UTC

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