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We are growing relentlessly, carrying out deforestation and eradication of other species, exhausting fish stocks, using up our resources to the limit and competing over what remains. Instead of converting a diversified biomass into more and more humans who will intensify the process, let's aim for a lower, stable, more mature population. We have the means, we need the will.

Planetary impact ≈ Consumption × Population

The growth of our human population will eventually end somehow, whether we want it or not. But how will it happen? We can stop growing deliberately, of our own accord. Or we can let circumstances beyond our control stop us under conditions much more distasteful than anything we could decide on our own. Overpopulation concerns are about the welfare of humanity and the health of the planet, our only support system.

The only sustainable population is one where the birth rate is a close match for the death rate where humanity's combined impact on the planet can be supported by the planet's biosphere and ecology, a situation that must be stable and balanced. Clearly this is not what we have now. For the sake of ourselves and our planet, recognition of the overpopulation problem, and identifying the best solutions to it, should be one of humanity's top priorities.

Rules

  1. No racism. This isn't your personal platform to espouse racist views—either directly or tacitly—via overpopulation. This actually hurts the goal of encouraging planetary sustainability—all of humanity is accountable.

  2. Encouraging murder, eugenics, or forced sterilisation is banned. The solutions to overpopulation involve ways to decrease birth rates and encourage behavioural changes and awareness of our impact on the planet—in a way that is compatible with a free and democratic society. Concepts like mass-murder, eugenics, or sterilisation do not accomplish these goals, and only result in the proprogation of extremist ideologies.

  3. Be excellent to each other. No personal attacks, harassment, or vitriolic commentary. Presenting a kind, rational approach to the problem of overpopulation makes it likelier to convince others of the problem that is human overpopulation.

  4. Don't be stupid. Most conspiracy-related material is not on-topic for a discussion around overpopulation.

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Current South Korean population theory: the hope of a population of 100 million

https://en.namu.wiki/w/1%EC%96%B5%20%EB%82%B4%EC%88%98%EB%A1%A0

In fact, many people hope that South Korea's population will surpass 100 million, even though South Korea is mountainous and smaller than England.

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2024/11/29
12:03 UTC

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Happy Thanksgiving! Myths needed for paper!

Hey everyone - Happy Thanksgiving! (For my non-American friends, happy thursday!)

I need your help. I am putting together a myth busting paper on overpopulation.

I have been on Reddit for a year now and I think I have a decent grasp on most of them, but I need input from you all in case there are some I am missing.

So, if you would be so kind to offer up annoyances/arguments you can't stand to hear and post them below so I can adequatley "bust" them.

With the help of Chat GPT (Wish I had this in Grad School lol.) I have a massive outline put together and I am going to start writing over the next few weeks. My hope is that it will be something you can all use.

Thanks!

The theme of the paper will be how all modern problems lead to overpopulation. (Kinda like all roads lead to Rome.)

2 Comments
2024/11/28
23:27 UTC

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How do you breakdown this argument against overpopulation

There are places that are overpopulated, but if people were dispersed, there would be enough space for everyone.

10 Comments
2024/11/28
14:33 UTC

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No one is talking about over supply of humans....still.

16 Comments
2024/11/27
17:34 UTC

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How can this fallacy be refuted?

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-earth-is-better-with-more-people

I've seen claims that a planet with 100 billion people is a better place to live than a planet with 2 billion people.

11 Comments
2024/11/27
10:45 UTC

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Elon Musk: The world is underpopulated but we don't want Mexicans and Indians here.

TBF tho, he stated that wants "talents" from other countries, but his companies laid off many people* with skills and education. Also he plans on laying off many government employees with talents too.

It sounds like his actions are* saying that his businesses and the government is overpopulated.

Edit: typos

27 Comments
2024/11/26
06:15 UTC

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r/overpopulation open discussion thread

What's on your mind? You can chat here if you don't want to make a new post. Or drop in and see what others are talking about.

1 Comment
2024/11/25
17:01 UTC

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Behavioral sink

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

Not sure if anyone else has posted about this before. What are y'all's thoughts about the social effects of our current population trends?

10 Comments
2024/11/25
06:22 UTC

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825 babies are born in Delhi every single day. If pro-natalists get their way, every city will be like this: full, polluted, and with rapidly rising human population, STILL. Quality of life doesn't matter as much to pro-natalists as churning out as many human units for the meat grinder as possible.

55 Comments
2024/11/19
21:54 UTC

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r/overpopulation open discussion thread

What's on your mind? You can chat here if you don't want to make a new post. Or drop in and see what others are talking about.

1 Comment
2024/11/18
17:00 UTC

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Population decline isn't a matter of "if", rather a matter of "when" and "how fast".

8 Comments
2024/11/16
16:12 UTC

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Why are Koreans so super afraid of population decline?

https://preview.redd.it/9qs02msjc81e1.png?width=717&format=png&auto=webp&s=5932003d019247c808092ffdd22a85acb6ff1ce6

As you can see from the area marked on the map, there are over 50 million people living in such a small South Korean land. If the average population density of the world were South Korea, it would be close to 70 billion.

You may know that Korea's birth rate is extremely low, but I doubt that it is at an extinction level. In creative works based on the future, there are many alien races with extremely high aging rates and civilizations. Rather than being afraid, wouldn't it be more reasonable to seek a change to such a society?

In addition, since the marriage rate in Korea has been increasing explosively recently, I doubt that this birth rate will continue.

20 Comments
2024/11/16
09:10 UTC

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Who seriously buy the gov's propaganda that GDP or GDP growth equates to prosperity?

For one, it doesn't account for Cost of Living. Nowadays I take anything from the government and MSM with a grain of salt.

Off-topic. Delete if you want, my man.

4 Comments
2024/11/16
04:33 UTC

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Solutions

From previous posts a lot of you have said that governments should discourage people from having large families and go with a more sustainable plan towards family planning which I agree is absolutely necessary to address overpopulation. However I think this is futile because the majority of governments around the world are run by right wing religious conservatives who encourage large families and see overpopulation as a myth or they are run by governments that are oblivious to the fact we have a overpopulation problem. I think that people like us who do realize the problems of overpopulation and the negative effects it’s having on everything world wide are in the extreme minority. I feel like we are totally fucked when it comes to this issue and Mother Nature would run its course in the coming decades and fuck us in return..that’s it my vent of the day is over. Thank you

24 Comments
2024/11/11
19:10 UTC

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r/overpopulation open discussion thread — Farewell to u/BoomerGenXMillGenZ Edition

Helpful commenter BoomerGenXMillGenZ has quit Reddit. Probably a healthy decision, but he will be missed.

This is the open discussion thread. What's on your mind? You can chat here if you don't want to make a new post. Or drop in and see what others are talking about.

5 Comments
2024/11/11
17:01 UTC

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Population health charity organizations

I'm curious if folks have favorite charities doing impactful work for problems around population health. It seems there are a number and I was interested in finding ones doing the most impactful work. Thanks in advance!

6 Comments
2024/11/10
16:11 UTC

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China is too crowded, even if it's crowded.

https://preview.redd.it/y3ktcp3dm2zd1.png?width=1201&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c86bd9590ee45f85791e1c1d7f6ab5b8905c7fa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgAWnPvn-A

It's hard to get a feel for it from just a photo, but imagine walking around for an hour and 20 minutes and seeing that super crowd of people continue.

14 Comments
2024/11/05
11:47 UTC

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r/overpopulation open discussion thread

What's on your mind? You can chat here if you don't want to make a new post. Or drop in and see what others are talking about.

8 Comments
2024/11/04
17:00 UTC

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When someone is financially responsible and choose to have 0 to 1 child, they are labelled as greedy and selfish. When someone has 3+ kids and live on government welfare, they are praised as loving parents who are being exploited and oppressed. Is personal accountability even a thing anymore?

6 Comments
2024/11/01
21:26 UTC

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Be wary when the government, billionaires, futurists, and idealists try to sell you a fantasy that will never be possible. No, it is not possible for us to have over 8 billion people while enjoy the same amount of freedom, choices, resource, and opportunity as we had way global lower population.

At this point, the best way to spread overpopulation awareness is to bring up how the average perso. will be affected by overpopulation. Most people are fencer sitters when it comes to overpopulation. Unfortunately most popular media like Youtube videos go out of their way to pain overpopulation as a myth. They underplay certain statistics and never talk about how local culture/tradition will impact populatjon growth. They blame the 6th extinction solely on fossil fuel and carbon foot print. They act like people don't have to eat, poop, or produce trash.

The way to tackle this is to ask people around you (who are still neutral about overpopulation) that if they enjoy overcrowding and competing for minimum wage jobs against million other people and AI. Ask them if America or Europe should quadrople their population. At end of the rhetoric has to change. Most importantly, understand the fact that middle class families with 1 to 2 children have the most to lose in an overpopulated world. Most of these families worked hard to provide the best possible future for their kids. All those efforts will go to waste if the natalists succeed in scary people into believing "population collapse". Mainstream media is doing a good job of lying to people about that.

16 Comments
2024/11/01
21:19 UTC

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What are 10 billion human gonna be left with when all the forests are gone, animals are killed, jobs are eliminated, fresh water are polluted, and “luxuries” are eliminated? We gonna reap what we sow

8 Comments
2024/11/01
19:04 UTC

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This is an 8 billion person crowd!!!

3 Comments
2024/11/01
17:12 UTC

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