Insane to think about, could be even less people than 500,000. Makes you realize how small you are in this world.

Whenever you hear someone say "we will never run out of natural resources and most of our planet is empty..,blah blah blah", there is good chance that this person is selfish and wasteful af. Also, having more kids than you and the environment can handle is the most selfish thing you can do.

At this point, we just have to accept that human beings are self destructive. Birthrates have stabilized and we finally have a chance to get population growth under control. Unlike other species, we possess knolwedge and ability to do better with family planning, female empowerment, and reneawable energy. What do our government and "intellectuals" choose to promote even though we are already passed the point of overshoot? They all choose to justify endless human growth. Outside of this sub, "overpopulation" has been deemed a myth even by highly educated people who are not religious or conservative.

We are at the point where people feel the effects of overpopulation but are too afraid to say it, because they will be labelled as a "racist" and "Bill Gates Population Control supporter" etc. When people aren't allowed to blame the most obivous problem, they are forced to do mental gymnastics and blame something else for all of their sufferings. All this "equal distribution of resource" talk is just slow gaslighting people into adopting the idea of "you should be ashamed for owning more resource than the people around you". Eventually, it will turn into "you should happy for owning nothing just like everyone around you." Slowly, more and more item will be labelled as luxury. Eventually, clean water and edible foods will be on that list too.

A significant decrease in quality of life is coming for everyone. With climate change and another 2 billion increase in population, increase in demand for globle resource will outpace population growth. One possible scenario could be "Infinite capital gain for the rich and equal distribution of poverty for the middle class".

The funny thing is that many people knows about this and accepts it. "Yeah, I am okay with making billionaires even more wealthy as long as I get to have 5 kids in my tiny little house."

You don't have to force people to have kids if you are just going to give them money for it. If people find out they can get six figure income for having babies, they are going to take advantage of this program as much as they can. Once this program becomes the norm, every political party will be proposing increasing benefit for couples with kids in order to gain votes. Who doesn't like free money from the government? Not everyone has the decency or common sense to see the catastrophic result of this policy. Most people have that "enjoy now, worry later" mentality. People will become even more entitled due to this policy. No government will dare to pull the plug on their baby boomer 2.0 program once everyone becomes addicted to it. Most people have already bought into the idea that more people equal to better economy lie. If their kids can't find jobs, they will just target one group and blame them. Those parents who depend on government to raise their 10 kids will never look at themselves and ask "maybe we've gone a little too far".

BBC News - Extreme drought areas treble in size since 80s - study https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyvje458rvo

This is not going to end well.

I see a thread that is more suited to this group which was deleted on my AskWomenOver50 group. The thread responses were women over 50 stating they were childless and just fine with it. I am in agreement. The thread was about a woman over 50 who has 2 sons that will not have children. There were many responses from many different women stating the same.

When the population hit 7 billion I watched this video and found it very educational. Its a TedTalk

I have a very unpopular point of view on infertility. I don’t understand why people who are infertile are paying to have babies. Should this really be a matter of money? If Mother Nature (and Darwinism) has made you infertile - why is it that $100,000 -$500,000 makes it possible to change that- and most likely have twins. ADOPT

I am adopted and due to the fact that I am mixed race, I don’t look like anyone in my adopted family or either of my biological families. I’m a hybrid. I’m tall, fast, super intelligent and am 54 with no major illnesses to date. You don’t have to look like your parent to be loved by your parent.

https://youtu.be/fTznEIZRkLg?si=v6fZ2lDCTblF-UMI

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If you increase both income and population at the same time, you are not improving the purchase power of the average individual. You have more people with more money, but the amount of available resource stays the same. Inflation will just skyrocket at that point. This will especially true for housing.

The bottom line is that giving people more money and time to have babies will work as intended. In fact, the result will exceed everyone's expectations. The population will explode. We are going to add a new projection curve for population growth if this becomes reality.

Seeing how most people have bought into the idea of "population collapse", we may be heading towards that future sooner than we think. Also, people are comfortable with the idea of "population collapse" because it helps them to justify their lack of self-control and impulse. People normally don't ask the question "Just because I can do this, does it mean I should do this?" In the end of the day, people are easily influenced by their primal urges to breed. Now governments are openly encourage people to embrace their most primitive instintcts

One honorable mention is Macron: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-19/macron-seeks-more-french-babies-as-birth-rate-crashes

"[Macron] also seems determined to extend a protective hand over would-be parents — and an increasingly crotchety, conservative population — beyond the maternity ward, with proposed limits on screen time that could be enforced by law. “More kids, less gaming" is certainly one way to bridge the gap between generations”

This sounds like some kind of early blueprint for a dystopia future where everyone is forced to breed/work and not allowed to enjoy their own hobby. Any hobby that is "bad" for "birthrate" will be outlawed. It's like the Handmaiden's Tale, but worse. Imagine, you come home from your 10 hours minimum wage shift to your 5 kids running around in your 2 dirty bedroom apartment with a 3000 dollar per month rent. The government will "subsidize" these costs for as long as you agree to be their breeding stock. We are heading into a future where people will literally be treated like farm animals.

In this case, it is actually better being really old in the next 10 years or so. You can check out of this hell hole before everything becomes unbearable.

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/british-women-are-having-fewer-children-in-their-twenties-more-in-their-thirties

When I am on my more negative thinking, this is what I think will happen, and the people surrounding me confirms it. Most couples I know are having their 4-6 usual children, but instead of sprinting through their 20s-30s, they start at 25 and slowly but surely have 6 by 39, so, there is no stop to overpopulation, only delay.

The reason for this kind of mentality is that many progressives believe that billionaires are the ones spreading the "overpopulation lie" in order to prevent more poor people from being born. If you look at the comment sections of Youtube videos that "debunk" overpopulation, you see a lot of people believing that overpopulation is a lie spread by the rich and powerful. However, this cannot be further from the truth when Musk and Bezos are the two most vocal natalist out there. Not to mention government are trying to implement pronatalist policies all over the world.

Society is as delusional as it can get right now. People seriously be like "Yeah billionaires and corporation are greedy and bad! Oh wait, all the elites are telling me to give birth to more serfs for them to exploit? Thank you daddy Elon for saving our species. We were really close to extinction because we don't have 5 kids per family anymore!"

It looks like the powers that be have put in place a policy for open borders at least on the western world with all the people migrating into wealthier environments. I work 2 blocks from Times Square. The change in the last couple of months is dramatic where there are over 100 migrants that seem to have come from either Haiti or other African country just congregate all day on the streets in front of my office building every day. These are young working age men usually busy looking down on their phones and some have e-bikes. Our street is pedestrian only w no cars allowed. It is noticeable change and I'm sure it's like this in lots of other cities. If this isn't a big part of overpopulation leading to reduced opportunities to earn, then I don't know what is... this is definitely causing a devide and is that part of the plan?

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I think 10-25 million would be ideal for Turkey. Especially Istanbul's human population should be reduced.

You can't use any reason or logic to prove that making more people will increase quality of life for anyone. Also, some parents are just selfish. They don't care how their kids feel. They are just like those parents who moved their entire family into a bus or RV and broadcast their family life on Youtube. Depriving your eldest children of social life, privacy, and freedom just so you can have 5 to 8 kids is not loving your children. Using your kids as a retirement plan or get rich scheme is just child abuse. Forcing billions people to be born into poverty is just a crime against humanity.