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We are growing relentlessly, carrying out deforestation and eradication of other species, exhausting fish stocks, using up our resources to the limit and competing over what remains. Instead of converting a diversified biomass into more and more humans who will intensify the process, let's aim for a lower, stable, more mature population. We have the means, we need the will.

Planetary impact ≈ Consumption × Population

The growth of our human population will eventually end somehow, whether we want it or not. But how will it happen? We can stop growing deliberately, of our own accord. Or we can let circumstances beyond our control stop us under conditions much more distasteful than anything we could decide on our own. Overpopulation concerns are about the welfare of humanity and the health of the planet, our only support system.

The only sustainable population is one where the birth rate is a close match for the death rate where humanity's combined impact on the planet can be supported by the planet's biosphere and ecology, a situation that must be stable and balanced. Clearly this is not what we have now. For the sake of ourselves and our planet, recognition of the overpopulation problem, and identifying the best solutions to it, should be one of humanity's top priorities.

Rules

  1. No racism. This isn't your personal platform to espouse racist views—either directly or tacitly—via overpopulation. This actually hurts the goal of encouraging planetary sustainability—all of humanity is accountable.

  2. Encouraging murder, eugenics, or forced sterilisation is banned. The solutions to overpopulation involve ways to decrease birth rates and encourage behavioural changes and awareness of our impact on the planet—in a way that is compatible with a free and democratic society. Concepts like mass-murder, eugenics, or sterilisation do not accomplish these goals, and only result in the proprogation of extremist ideologies.

  3. Be excellent to each other. No personal attacks, harassment, or vitriolic commentary. Presenting a kind, rational approach to the problem of overpopulation makes it likelier to convince others of the problem that is human overpopulation.

  4. Don't be stupid. Most conspiracy-related material is not on-topic for a discussion around overpopulation.

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Update: India

My worst nightmares have come true. Traffic congestion is getting serious in villages, towns, and small cities. Many cities are facing Serious water shortages. Places get more crowded.

Everything is getting expensive. Employment is getting harder ( Upcoming AI will make it worse) .

There is no room for error. And no future for the average and under performers. No fresh air to breathe. Everything is polluted.No land left for houses.

But no human addresses the problem and hence the population is yet increasing.

13 Comments
2024/03/29
19:34 UTC

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How do you talk to normies about overpopulation?

I have an environmental background and can’t help but occasionally bring up overpopulation. Generally when someone starts talking about the rate we are using natural resources or how low population growth in certain developed nations is hurting the economy.

The problem is either:

A) I make people depressed as fuck and kill the mood.

B) If someone has kids or wants kids they sometimes take it as a personal attack. I have a kid and that fact appears to wind some people up even more.

Over the last six months I pretty much stopped bringing it up and when pushed on the matter I just say my views are pretty bleak and don’t want to share.

26 Comments
2024/03/29
10:25 UTC

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I’ve got a winner right here

And the overall intelligence of our world continues to decrease as dolts such as this are allowed to reproduce.

10 Comments
2024/03/28
16:08 UTC

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I have children - can I talk about overpopulation?

As a father of 3, I am reluctant to discuss overpopulation. I don’t regret my children, I’ve just come to realize this issue in the last few years. I know ecological overshoot is the overarching predicament but I don’t think I have a say somehow since I have children.

30 Comments
2024/03/28
12:45 UTC

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Practical ways we can all contribute to depopulation

What are some practical ways we can all contribute to depopulation? We can vote for policies that discourage reproduction, such as providing financial incentives for sterilisation or implementing population control measures.

Individually when we speak to others in real life or online we can promote antinatalist philosophies and encouraging people to choose not to have children.

21 Comments
2024/03/28
12:13 UTC

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Has any of the users of this sub had any experience in South Korea?

Have you felt overpopulation in South Korea as well?

I am a South Korea nationality, and I feel that South Koreans are generally overpopulation deniers and have a lot of ethnic natalists.

9 Comments
2024/03/28
09:20 UTC

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Hate to say it. This reality dystopia tops the dystopia in The Handmaid's Tale and The Walking Dead

We have a billionaire, who is probably the most influential person in the world, telling people to have kids, which somehow (without any explanation) equates to "saving the world". 😂 He probably thinks he's Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne. I think he's more like Lex Luthor and Alpha from the Walking Dead, a total sociopath.

Question: How many liberals or leftists still have respect for him? Nowadays the only people who likes him are rightists and white supremacists.

9 Comments
2024/03/27
11:22 UTC

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Human Perspectives on Population Size (In other sub, the perspective is different from here)

24 Comments
2024/03/24
05:51 UTC

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How to make fertility rate 0.7 (like S.Korea) in Nigeria and Niger?

in Nigeria and Niger should be high salary, urbanization, propaganda education

your advice

25 Comments
2024/03/21
16:00 UTC

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Discussion: Lower Fertility and Natality rates (Hypothetical scenario)

Hello world!

I've been looking for people to talk about it and share ideas. The hypothetical scenario is about low natality rates where fewer people are being born every year.

Let's suppose that happened the next:

  • In 2020, COVID hit worldwide, and there were fewer births. There were 30% fewer births due to the pandemic, not sure how it was really in each country.
  • In 2021, increased a bit but it was until 2022 when the famous Ukraine-Russia War happened and then the economy worsened and prices have increased, and was not attractive to bring children to a world of wars, social conflicts, living crisis, and some typical issues.
  • From 2019 to 2024, the births declined between 20 and 30 percent. Therefore, in the next years, the births were declining slowly, it is a demographic trend that continues in the long term.

The reasons for not having children are: Climate change, unaffordable living, wars and social conflicts, bad conciliation working, insufficient financial stability, and so on...

The consequences may be present in the social sphere, and definitely, in the economic sphere, there are other spheres that will also be affected.

I want your opinion:

  • What do you think what will happen between 2020 and 2100? (What would have happened in 2020-2024 and what will be in 2024+). You can tell me some events that would happen.
  • What economic sectors are going to be affected positively, and what in a negative way throughout 21st century?
  • What are the best standards demographic indicators for a city? (E.g. Average age, Average age of marrying, Average age of having the first child, Average age, Age of the 20th and 80th percentiles, etc...)
  • How will the people born after 2020 experience the world after the pandemic hit?
  • What is your opinion about this hypothetical scenario?
8 Comments
2024/03/20
03:32 UTC

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Why don't we just get more people to live in the outback

It's like almost twice the size of india and I'm pretty sure mostly habitable. Am I not seeing something here or did I just solve overpopulation?

76 Comments
2024/03/13
07:25 UTC

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Fully automated luxury censorship comes to r/overpopulation. (I am activating Reddit's new "harassment filter," on a provisional basis. It uses a Large Language Model. I will turn it off if I disagree with its decisions.)

Reddit has a new automated "harassment filter," built on a Large Language Model. It is (currently) optional for subreddits to use. It automatically removes some posts and comments.

It could be just as dystopian as it sounds, but I'm going to turn it on for now. If I disagree with its decisions, I'll turn it off again.

You can use Reveddit to see if your posts or comments are removed. Please send a modmail if you think it has wrongly censored you, and I'll take a look.

Feel free to ask questions, but if the question is "does it remove X, Y or Z," I don't know the answer. We'll find out. Please don't bait it to try to get your comments removed. You can start your own subreddit and try it there if you're that curious.

Please continue to use the report button on rule-breaking content that the automated filter does not catch.

17 Comments
2024/03/13
01:27 UTC

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PBS has a nice short piece on the expected population crash later half of this century

I enjoyed this 7 minute summary by PBS. It's correct in that this only starts around mid century, and does not solve climate change for us. But I’m a “Bright Green” environmentalist because wind and solar are now so cheap they are doubling every 4 years or so. They are deploying faster than the Paris agreement ever dreamed! EG: Paris wanted 615 GW solar deployed annually by 2030 - but we could hit 2 or 3 TW annually! https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2023/12/25/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-one-terawatt-of-solar-deployed-annually/

MUCH MORE DONE WITH MUCH LESS: As we Electrify Everything (transport and industrial heat and mining and smelting) they are so efficient that ng we’ll only need 40% of the energy we use today to do the same work! It’s the difference between burning petroleum to waste 80% of it and only get 20% of it as forward motion, and using an EV charged from solar on your roof. It’s the difference between an oil tanker driving down the highway to fill up the gas station every week, and installing a solar powered off-grid EV charger once every decade! https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/electrification-energy-efficiency

SAVINGS: The sooner we do the Energy Transition, the sooner it pays for itself. The World Health Organisation tell us fossil fuel particulates cause $5 TRILLION a year in EXTRA health costs. Instead, this money can be used for conservation, medical, aged care and public transport initiatives.

TAXES for WELFARE. If we get the social policy settings right, and educate and empower women across the developing world ASAP, we could see the world back to 6 billion by 2100! https://earth4all.life/the-five-extraordinary-turnarounds/

JUST 2% OF THE OCEANS COULD FEED 12 BILLION PEOPLE all the seaweed protein powder we need while repairing the oceans. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/01/sea-forest-better-name-seaweed-un-food-adviser The seaweed powder can be a food supplement that goes in everything from dairy to bread. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666833522000302

Then there’s Precision Fermentation - but that’s so amazing I don’t have time to explain it. Try this short video by Monbiot. https://youtu.be/6eaTIe_TBZA Then google it.

29 Comments
2024/03/09
04:09 UTC

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Coauthors newspaper articles?

Dear all, anyone else trying to publish letters for newspapers et.c. about overpopulation and having a hard time getting accepted? Have tried multiple times in Sweden, would be nice when maybe someone here would like to help me improve the writing and become a coauthor, Or I could assist you

0 Comments
2024/03/08
18:44 UTC

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When considering overpopulation and ecological impact, should Western countries accept migrants?

Refugees coming in from Global South or even Europe to places like the US arguably exert strain on the resources of the US. Moreover, they would take up a higher GHG emission and carbon footprint unless they are coming from one of the few places with a higher emission rate per capita like the Arab Gulf states. In the end, would this cause both the natives and the immigrants to suffer because of resource strain? Barriers to immigration would not be good for people fleeing ecological disaster, but would it ultimately save those who live in countries that have a higher tolerance to climate change and food chain disruption?

40 Comments
2024/03/08
04:49 UTC

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Politicians and wealthy elites failed us. Thanks Reagan!

"I’m a (censored for privacy) making $23.20 and still can’t afford even a 1-bedroom apt on my own where I live. Considering you take your pay with you when transferring, I’m wondering what some potential options could be. Open to anywhere that’s cheap but a nice place to live where people are happy"
-another redditor

Politicians: "Just poop more babies! It solves everything and save the world!"

9 Comments
2024/03/02
22:22 UTC

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South Korea has launched the world's most unconventional policy to explode its birth rate and population.

Many people know that South Korea has a low birth rate recently. It seems that South Korea has finally decided to increase the birth rate with money.

In particular, South Koreans are quite positive about this policy because they have a strong desire for a rapid rise in birth rate and population growth.

Recently, in South Korea, in order to explosively increase the birth rate, the government, local governments, and companies are pouring in an unprecedented amount of direct cash support to pregnancy, birth, and children.

The Korean government has decided to pay $1,000 per month in 'parental Salarys(부모급여)' to each child upon birth. In addition, it was decided to provide a child allowance of $100 per month and a child support allowance of $100 per month until the child becomes a teenager. they also implemented a policy so that if you take childcare leave, you can receive your full salary for 6 to 12 months. In addition to this, a lot of money was given directly in various items. And this amount is expected to increase in the future.

Local governments are even more unconventional. Jecheon City planned to pay 150,000 dollars when a child is born until the child becomes an adult, and the Jeollanam-do region announced that it would continue to provide a large amount of child support in money until the child is 18 years old. This is money given separately by local governments in addition to the money given by the central government (nation). Since you receive money overlapping, the money you receive is actually more than double when you are born.

The most unconventional place is Gangjin-gun, which has decided to pay $50,000 per child upon birth. In Gangjin-gun, this cash distribution was especially effective. Gangjin-gun caused a huge upheaval with the number of births increasing by 66% in 2023, one year after the policy was implemented (the increase in births due to external influx was quite limited).

This has become a hot topic across South Korea, and local governments are preparing huge amounts of direct cash support to boost birth rates.

The company's support for childbirth is even more unconventional. Recently, the boss of Booyoung, a large company, declared that he would encourage his workers to have children with a $75,000 bonus, and large corporations with deep pockets such as Samsung, Lotte, and LG promised to give huge cash to employees who give birth, and some companies offer promotions when children are born. they created a system to do this.

South Korea's maternity support policy has become stronger than ever before in human history. There was a lot of confusion a few years ago, but recently the government has revealed its position that money is the source of increased birth rates, and a system is being created across the country that gives huge amounts of money to births in all fields.

In reality, a system is being created where each child will directly receive 'up to $300,000 or more' when they have a birth. Of course, it will be a huge financial burden, but South Korea strongly recognizes that ultra-low birth rate is the country's biggest problem, so they are willing to accept it and create such a system.

In particular, the rapid increase in the birth rate in Gangjin gives many South Koreans hope that money will lead to a rapid increase in the birth rate.

What do you guys think?

42 Comments
2024/03/02
04:11 UTC

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