What the title says

How is the lawsuit going about the hydrogen price? It is quite expensive and we can not drive the MIRAI with this $36/kg price.

2023 XLE shows laggy response starting last week. Does anyone have the same experience?

Hi,

I live in south bay with a hydrogen station within 5 mins of home. We're considering a Mirai for our new teen driver. We expect him to drive at most 12 mi/day. So over 3 years we'll probably put no more than 20k on the dash. The used 2018 Mirais look great with 9k up front and 15k of fuel which should be good for about 25k miles. (which is equivalent saving about 3k in gas if we went for a Camry instead). In addition, we'll probably save around $330/year in maintenance, or about 1k over 3 years, compared to getting a gas car.

We don't plan on keeping the car after the fuel credits expire. So by the time we're done with it would have cost us 9k (purchase) - 3k (gas savings) - 1k (maintenance savings) = 5k, which seems like a steal as it has warranty coverage too.

Are there any other things to consider (insurance, resale, etc.)?

Thanks

Does anyone have an idea what other Toyota shares the same body style? I will have an empty shell, and I was looking at throwing a gas motor in it.

Anyone know how to open the trunk on a dead battery? I have jumper cables in the trunk…

LOS ANGELES,CA

EDIT: NOT NEW, CERTIFIED PRE OWNED.

had a car accident monday morning that totalled my car. Need a new one.

Thats when i saw the 2023 mirai limited on longos website for 16k. longo said they can deduct 30% for the rebate as a down payment, and include a 15k cash card that im assuming after reading on this forum is only gonna last 2 years. i plan to later trade in it when paid off.

my question is, would this be considered a decent deal for a 2023? considering gas prices vs hydrogen, im assuming the cash card is about 6k in gas fuel saved. everything else is out of pocket. i have 4k in cash.

what would be the best way to approach this or if i should steer clear altogether with hydrogen prices?

i live in a 30 minute drive radius of 3 stations (torrance,culvercity,LAX)

to my math $16k- $5k(CA rebate automatically given as a down) - $4k (initial down payment)+ $15k in cash card( $5k in petrol) would leave me with about less than $5k for out of pocket. What fees can i expect with a dealershipn and what should i be avoiding/getting? Gap insurance?

this is my first "big" car purchase.

The Replace Your Ride program in LA County offers up to $12k for turning in your beater for a FCEV/BEV/PHEV. They phased out vanilla hybrids for the program womp womp.

Toyota dealerships have CPO 2023 Mirais with around 20k miles for slightly under $20k.

If I could snag a Mirai for ~$10k out of pocket with a $15k fuel card would it be worth it?

I’ve read all the posts and signs point to “don’t do it - get anything else.” H2 costs are astronomical. They won’t come down anytime soon, but I do live relatively close to a fuel station about 2 miles away.

Figured I’d ask if I’m only using the car around 200 miles/week. PHEVs seem to suck and BEVs are kinda expensive unless one opts for economic model.

I probably answered my own question already haha.

EDIT: The next car I get will be my only 4-wheel possession. I have a motorcycle that I typically use for commuting. Also, I really want an AWD vehicle or at the very least RWD like the Mirai if it’s dirt cheap. Also, thanks for all the informative replies. Helps a bunch!

Hi everyone, i’m at about 9 miles left on my mirai, and forgot my card in my other pair of scrubs at home (i work graveyard in garden grove) I get off in about 2 hours (8am) and the closest station is the placentia location in terms of miles and traffic. I live in chino hills, is there a way or some sort of program that i can use from toyota that can cover refueling costs in case of an emergency? I only have about 10$ in my bank account until i get paid in 2 days, and thats only enough fuel to hopefully get me home 🥹

Hi 👋🏽 Filled tank on my 2021 Mirai Limited! $74 at True Zero station in Placentia.

Bought in April 2021, 31k miles, by my estimation 4k left on the fuel card. 18k left on the (0.0%) loan. WWYD?

Hey everyone,

I’m thinking about purchasing a Toyota Mirai and wanted to get some feedback from those in the Bay Area or anyone knowledgeable about hydrogen vehicles. I love the idea of driving a zero-emission car, but I have some concerns about the availability of hydrogen fueling stations.

From what I’ve researched, there are a few stations around, but I’m worried about the convenience of fueling up compared to traditional gas stations or even EV chargers. Are there enough H2 stations in the Bay Area to make owning a Mirai practical?

Also, how reliable have you found the infrastructure to be? Are there any tips for someone considering this transition?

Thanks for any insights you can share!

Hello All!
A little background: I am in possession of 2017 Toyota Mirai, slightly damaged front, not in the US. For the sake of this conversation we can assume I got it for free, so finance is not as issue.

The problem is that it won't start. In fact, nothing happens at all when I try to use the key—no dashboard lights or any sign of activity. As far as I know, the car doesn't have any fuel left.

My questions are:

• Would refueling the car be enough to solve the issue?
• Does the Mirai have a separate battery for starting the car or powering the interior?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Hey guys! I have a 2019 Mirai, and all the stations near by me are closed down. I live in Hawthorne. I was wondering what do you guys do in this situation. I tried to contact Toyota Care but it’s not helpful. Really appreciate your advice, please don’t tell me to suck it up 😭 thank you!

Been looking into buying a Toyota certified used Mirai and running the numbers it seems like a great idea! But I thought I'd post in here so y'all can check my math and tell me if I'm missing some important factors. Right now I'm looking at the car as only being a 4 year long commitment and once the lease is paid off I'd decide to either keep it or sell it for scrap and get something else basically depending on the state of hydrogen fuel in 2029.

Costs

• $15,000: base price for the Mirai (not factoring being able to negotiate it down at all)
• $1,200: sales tax and registration
• $500: gap insurance (in case the car gets totaled with their awful resell value so I'm not stuck with a loan on a car I don't have; this could be less from my insurance or from Toyota this is the quote from my bank)
• $300: difference in registration over 4 years compared to gas car
• $4,800: difference in insurance over 4 years compared to gas car
• $1,850: cost of fuel for that 4th year assuming fuel doesn't go down

Total Costs: $23,650 minus the fuel card and tax rebate is $4,150

4k being my total sum negative seems like an incredible deal. If I were to buy a used gasoline car at the same price it'd be older vehicle with more mileage and while all these numbers would be lower it would still end up costing me around $10,000 more than buying the Mirai over the planned 4 years.

So into the pros and cons and finer details that might make this a better or worse idea.

Pros

• reduced toll fees and HOV access; its hard to put a number value on how good this will be but it's definitely nice
• buying from a Toyota dealership means I'll get a warranty covering the first couple years of maintenance and repairs
• based on the research I've done it seems like a safe bet that by the time I've used up the 3 year fuel card hydrogen fuel will have gone down in price and refueling stations will be more accessible

Cons

• initially I'll be living in San Diego which has one fueling station and it seems to be down a lot, but within a year I'll be moving to the Irvine/LA area which has much more common stations and until I move I'll be making regular trips to the area and I can refuel then
• if hydrogen doesn't go down that last year will be ROUGH, a lot of the potential risk of expense is on the backend of my plan which is worrisome cause it's assuming my financial stability to afford $200 fill-ups 3+ years from now

So yea, based on what I've been looking at it seems like a great idea. Cause even in the event that Hydrogen stays expensive when the 4 year loan is paid off I'll be at a large net gain compared to a gasoline car to look at buying something else. And then I'd still have gotten to spend 4 years in a basically brand new car that from everything I've heard is a delight to drive.

But I also know that I'm the kind of person to get excited about an idea and not really consider everything or to downplay certain factors. So if any of you have some input. Something I haven't considered or a factor I've mentioned that is more of an issue that I should think harder about please tell me. Keep me honest cause I've definitely got dollar signs in my eyes!

I know it was a big read so thanks if you got through it all

https://www.toyotaofnorthmiami.com/new-2023-toyota-mirai-in-miami-fl/

Either the dealer is using cookie cutter websites from Toyota or they have a H2 fueling station. who knows...

I'm going to call them in the morning, and say I can come from Tampa for a test drive. Because why not.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/05/hydrogen-hidden-costs-energy-transition/

Showed working when I left home, turned red when I got here.

My fuel card is almost expired and my tires are soon wear out, thinking about buying some low rolling resistance tires, anyone with experience on those? And how are the mpg of those compare to normal tire?

Thinking about buying from one of below

Pirelli P4 persist as plus

Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 plus

Michelin EnergySaver AS

Goodyear Assurance FuelMax

I bought a used CPO Mirai recently and am starting to have regrets. Hoping some of you can give me more insight in what to prepare for. I bought the car since I just got a job offer. The job would be a 60 mile a day commute but I am planning on moving closer so it will be a 10 mile a day commute. I expect to drive 150 miles a week when adding in grocery trips and seeing my girlfriend on weekends. I know that have overpaid for the car. I paid 16339 for a 2021 with 35k mikes. I now see many other comparables at 13999 or less. Did I make a huge mistake or should I be good since I do t plan on driving much and H2 prices hopefully coming down?

With the passing of SB 1420 in California when do you expect prices for H2 to start coming back down?

https://sd14.senate.ca.gov/news/press-release/governor-newsom-signs-sb-1420-expediting-non-fossil-fuel-hydrogen-production