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Gun-ownership through a pro-gun liberal / leftist lens.


Mission Statement:

Gun ownership through a pro-gun liberal lens.

This is a place for liberal gun-owners who want to discuss gun ownership absent the "noise" of most right-leaning pro-gun forums.

"Liberal" here is "left-of-center", in US political terms. Liberal/Leftist/Progressive. Those who would identify as Democrats, Progressives, Socialists, &c. This does not mean "classical liberal" or right-leaning libertarians.


Sub Rules:

See here.


Friends:

- r/blackgunowners
- r/gundeals
- r/guns
- r/InStockAmmo
- r/LatinoRA
- r/leftistveterans
- r/pinkpistols
- r/SocialistRA


Related Websites/Blogs:

- Black Gun Owners Association
- Huey P. Newton Gun Club
- Liberal Gun Club
- National African-American Gun Association
- Open Source Defense
- Operation Blazing Sword
- Pink Pistols
- Red Neck Revolt

We are not affiliated with liberalgunowners.org


Interesting Reading:

- The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights
- 538 on Americans misunderstanding gun violence and policy solutions
- The New York Times: The Assault Weapons Myth
- NY Magazine: There Is No ‘Epidemic of Mass School Shootings’
- Salon: Gun control’s racist reality: The liberal argument against giving police more power

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What do we think?

First time poster, long time lurker.

Added a rail scope and a Sig Sauer Romeo5 to my P365.

I know this is a bit ridiculous but I find it hilarious and legit.

2 Comments
2024/12/01
03:15 UTC

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Another handgun rec post

First of all I'm not new to guns or gun ownership. This isn't my first handgun. I currently carry a p365 with a herrington arms comp. I occasionally carry my p320 xcarry but mostly keep it in the safe next to the bed. I've been wanting to try out a glock. Mostly because I got the gffs coupon and want to shoot a match that's near me in 6 months. I've shot the occasional weekly match in my town with the p365 and always have a blast. What glock do people recommend that is still of carry size? Will I be thrown off with the grip size and angle coming from the p365? Tell me what you think and please give details.

7 Comments
2024/12/01
02:22 UTC

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A well wasted Saturday sighting a new red dot

10/10 would recommend

4 Comments
2024/12/01
02:01 UTC

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Thoughts on a Beretta 80 X Cheetah

Would like you guys opinion on the 80 X, not the 380 9mm debate just the quality & reliability of the pistol itself

6 Comments
2024/12/01
01:18 UTC

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The last day in the woods with this old thing, for this year at least.

Didn't get a deer but sure did a great bit of hiking around carrying a few lbs of steel and wood. 1939 Winchester model 70 in .270WCF. Lyman Fixed Alaskan scope from the early 40s. It's supposed to be a great deer rifle, I hope to learn that first hand one of these years.

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2024/12/01
00:53 UTC

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Wife approved an AR15 any opinions

Wondering if I can get peoples opinion here, looking to get an AR15 after I get an appropriate safe. Looking for a 16 inch the ar15 sub recommended so many options I would like to buy a full rifle looking at BCM Daniel Defense or a basic Smith and Wesson also need iron sights and a red dot for now anyone have links or an idea of what to grab. I'd like to stick to 2k or I'd splurge for the DD if everyone says that's the best. Thanks in advance.

43 Comments
2024/12/01
00:52 UTC

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My Old S&W 457 .45 ACP

It’s cheap, just like all my weapons are. The price may be low, but the outcome should be comparable to a much more expensive selection. That’s all that really counts to me. I’ve had it since the mid to late 90s.

7 Comments
2024/12/01
00:50 UTC

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Anybody have a bad experience with an instructor?

I took a mandatory CCW class a while back and the instructor was a massive chode. The guy was way more into getting us rattled and doing silly drills instead of going over basic marksmanship and passing the qualification. It didn’t help that the qualification was held at a range with a busted HVAC system in the middle of a heatwave. I appreciate the sentiment, but it was all way too extra. Anybody have any similar experiences?

10 Comments
2024/11/30
23:34 UTC

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When you just want ammo but start questioning your life choices instead

115 Comments
2024/11/30
23:23 UTC

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How to finish adjusting scope? Ran out of rotations

I got a 10/22 and a Tasco scope. Have never sighted a scope before. Trying to get it lined-up with a laser bore sight before going to the range to finish sighting-in on a target. What do I do if I’ve run out of rotations on the elevation and/or windage knobs? Do I need to either tighten or loosen the screws on the knobs? Would like to at least figure out how to get the laser dot centered before I take it to the range. Haven’t been able to find a YouTube video for this particular issue. And the Tasco manual is quite minimal. Thanks!

19 Comments
2024/11/30
23:03 UTC

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Got my first suppressor today

29 Comments
2024/11/30
21:50 UTC

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Tell me why I shouldn't buy an XDM?

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/springfield-armory-xd-m-elite-9mm-luger-45in-black-pistol-191-rounds/p/1899461

Already have a Mossberg 500 12ga, a Walther P22, and a Sig 365 XMacro. Would like to add a full size to my range friends, saw this and am considering it.

I shot a friend's XD9 Mod.2 4" service carry a while back and was very thrilled with how well it performed for me.

Do I need a full size? No, but I want one and this is a price I'm okay with 😂

I like my XMacro but it feels a little small in my hands, so I'd like a full size to shoot and train on as well

So tell me why I should or shouldn't grab one of these XDM Elites? I don't really care too much about the (probably cheap?) RDS.

18 Comments
2024/11/30
21:18 UTC

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Shot my 9mm at last

Purchased a 9mm handgun a couple of weeks back, and finally made it to the range today. I am new to gun ownership, though I've shot some in the past. I know I want 115 grain FMJ for practice/target shooting, but is any particular brand better or worse. I shot Winchester and Sellier & Belliot today and didn't notice any appreciable difference.

31 Comments
2024/11/30
21:11 UTC

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Just welcomed my liberal mum to the gun owner club. S&W EZ .380

First time poster long time lurker, so hello, but just helped my retired mom choose her first firearm.

We started by going to the range and testing out a few, making sure to hold our noses at the Trump stuff.

Once she found one she was comfortable with, we signed up for a gunshot wound training class and bought her a gunshot wound IFAK.

Then after all that we made sure she was still ready for the responsibility of gun ownership. When she said yes we went in and bought the gun with the 7 day waiting period.

Now it’s here and I’m doing a first clean and giving her an old olight light/laser to help weight the front and give her a laser to get comfortable with.

I don’t see her getting more into guns, but it now gives us something to do, and we can plan range trips, which I think is the most important part for her, that it gives us a chance to connect and do something together. While engaging with her 2A rights and privileges that all of us have.

(Ps - I hope I paid my toe tax correctly, they’re shy)

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2024/11/30
21:02 UTC

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Shooting Instructor in CA

Hi folks,

As the heading suggests, I’m looking for a recommendation for an instructor in California, specifically the Bay Area. I know there’s the CAguns subreddit, but I was hoping someone here might be able to refer a trainer who wouldn’t be too smarmy when it comes to the political side of firearms.

6 Comments
2024/11/30
19:35 UTC

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Don't buy from Family Firearms

I don't regret the great deal I got, but I do regret having unwittingly purchased from a Three Percenter. Will never give them my money again.

264 Comments
2024/11/30
19:35 UTC

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Gun store wanted me to process serial number

TL,DR: Gun store clerk wanted me to agree to a 4473 ATF form with wrong serial number.

Yesterday I bought a Glock 19 MOS with a Holosun green dot from a local prominent gun store. I thought about naming the store but I guess I won’t. Anyway, the manager rang me up but I had to run back home for my ID (and they would mount the Holosun while I was gone.) A different clerk helps me finish the transaction and had me use a QR code to launch a partially-filled 4473 ATF firearm purchase form. The clerk said don’t worry about those details because they’ll quality check it. The serial number was filled out. The gun was still in possession of the clerk and I asked him to let me see the gun to verify the serial number. Clerk held the gun up for me to look, and it appeared last digit was wrong. I asked him to confirm it was wrong. His first answer was literally “don’t worry about it.” I paused and looked confused and then he casually explained they would correct it later. I said “who all gets this form?” and he sarcastically said “President Biden personally gets this form, just click agree.” I remained paused and the manager standing nearby started observing and then came to a conclusion they had previously sold same model Glock early in week and must have got the serial numbers swapped by accident. The manager said they would figure out how to correct the forms, and said they would do a hand correction on the PDF printout for my form. The clerk told me to click agree on the form on my phone. I stood there a bit and then the manager said “oh wait” and disappeared then came back with a different Glock. He said two guns had been in back, one for a red dot and one for a green dot, and they had given me the red dot. The green dot matched the serial number on my form. Ok. Afterward, I saw the manager reviewing a PDF printout of the form. Also while that was happening, a customer came out of the indoor range and asked if there is a dud barrel, the clerk said “just throw it down range”, the shooter said “really? are you sure?”, the clerk said “there’s a box here under the counter you can use, but don’t worry about it, just throw it down range.” I left that whole transaction thinking the clerk has low personal standards for quality. I’m not sure what else I feel about the moral to this long story.

19 Comments
2024/11/30
15:51 UTC

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S&W red dot rebate

Making this post for anyone that’s considering the S&W M&P Sport III for the Vortex Strikefire II red dot rebate. When I was doing some searching through forums before my purchase, I couldn’t find much as far as specifics on how it worked. I ended up thinking I would be getting a prepaid card to purchase it.

Well instead, the actual Strikefire just arrived via FedEx. It’s exactly 2 weeks from when I purchased/registered online for the rebate. I would definitely suggest you do the online rebate registration if you purchase this rifle before the end of the rebate period.

It was about 3 business days for it to get the final approval/shipment message on the tracking website. I did not receive a tracking number or any info on what I would be receiving by mail. S&W’s website is really vague, so hopefully this helps anyone on the fence about the Sport III!

28 Comments
2024/11/30
17:26 UTC

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Can you provide a few recs for sites/merchants that have relative neutral or left leaning politics?

I am new to this game and really enjoyed diving into learning as much as I can about guns, gun safety, gun ownership, and proficiency. With that said, I also want to be sure I am supporting groups and businesses that back a similar political mindset. Are there any recs those more experienced might have on these types of places? I realize the easy answer is "most gun stores/influencers are conservative" but I'd like to make a conscious effort.

For some additional context, I live in ATL and was really hyped on Warrior Poet Society (founded out of ATL) until I started diving a touch deeper and realized the dude is a HARD right winger. Just curious what resources are out there because I want to push my money in the right direction if I can.

Edit: to clarify, I already own guns. Just trying to be a more informed consumer and support businesses that support my mindset

69 Comments
2024/11/30
14:32 UTC

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I have worked at a gun store for the past year - Here are my stories and advice

Hey y'all!

I've come to the realization that I am the only non-MAGA enthusiast at my place of work, a gun store and shooting range.

I've also seen a lot of things at the gun store and shooting range because I spend 40+ hours per week in one - including 2 hours per day as a range safety officer.
Here are somethings I want to share with you. I don't know if it'll help you, but it will give you some insight into the firearm business that may not be widely known - and hopefully somewhat fun to read.

I believe most of you will most likely consider these "hot takes" - I am prepared.

I stopped at 9 to lower the risk of sounding like Martin Luther's complaints about the church.

  1. Guns cost different amounts of money due to quality control and tolerances. No manufacturing process is perfect and every part in a firearm will have variations in its dimensions across every one they make.

However, the higher-end guns will have tighter tolerances and better quality control. Every manufacturer will eventually send a dud to a gun store, however, the likelihood of that happening goes down when you buy the more expensive gun.

  1. if you can only afford the cheapest thing in the store, just fucking wait. You made it this far without a gun, buy a fucking nice one. Invest in yourself. I would never trust my life to the $199 special. (this is assuming you are not in immediate danger, like a stalker or something. In that case, let us help you find a good used firearm that will be higher quality for a similar price.)

  2. Taurus makes great revolvers. Taurus makes shit polymer framed handguns. We want to stop selling them and will NOT help customers ship them back.

They have extremely low margins and helping with a clapped-out Taurus actually makes the gun unprofitable to sell. (sure, they have dealer "kick backs" like everyone else - but dealing with Taurus the company and Taurus the gun with hourly employees will eat that shit right up.)

"I have 3,000 rounds through my G2C, it's great" --- yeah, a broken clock is right twice per day. You may get lucky (and Taurus may get lucky) and you will get a decent pistol. But, that's a statistical win. I can't tell you how many we've sent back before getting to the sales floor due to cosmetic issues, missing sights (seriously), or missing magazines.

If you feel comfortable trusting your life to the cheapest thing in the store, I'll get the paperwork started, I guess...

  1. Palmetto State Armory........... *deep breath*

Their guns are fine, I guess. The business of dealing in them is... harrowing. We make $0 when you ship one of those into our store. In fact, I would gander accepting Palmetto State firearm transfers is a net loss to the store.

We had approximately 100 people fail their background checks from January 1 through November 1.

About 35 of them were for Palmetto State Armory firearms - Taurus was a strong contender but PSA prevailed (much to my chagrin, I bet lunch Taurus would win). Shockingly, Glock rounded out the top three.

That means, when we get a PSA off the truck, chances are, we're gonna send it back.

I've only ever seen a few on the range.

This is a huge deal because every single 4473 must be maintained on site for eternity. The ATF audits every gun store (FFL dealer) in the US once per year. They look at every gun in stock and every form for the year. If you think they don't, work at a gun store.

If we fuck up a form, we could lose our license. Especially denials. There is a MASSIVE risk with every firearm sale. So, when we see the Palmetto State crossed cannons logo sitting on the truck - we know that our license is literally on the line. And why we charge $90 per transfer.

  1. People who fail their background check are never really surprised. Except one guy who acted genuinely shocked and began to SCREAM at me on the sales floor accusing me of denying him because he was from Puerto Rico. (it was also surprising because most denials start off with a delay from NICS, then in the next day or two, it updates to denied. He got one right away, like within seconds.)

I literally had to open the NICS web page (a .gov website) and show him his failed background.

"Why would they deny me?"

"I don't know, do you have a felony?"

"Yeah, but I didn't know that would stop me!"

He ordered a dagger. He also traded in two shotguns first, then started the background check for the new gun. He failed his background check after a delay. Then wanted his shotguns back lol "I need to defend my home".

"Well, sir, you can. Just not with a gun."

Good luck!

  1. Shotguns are a shit home defense tool. Do you really want to roll out of bed at 3am and shoot a 12 gauge in your hallway?

I saw an elderly couple come into the range. Old man wanted to teach his wife to shoot, both were over 65. I know this because we check ID for everyone who goes on the range.

10 minutes later, the wife came running out of the range towards the bathroom holding her nose. A trail of blood marked her path.

This old man handed her a 12-gauge pump shotgun and gave her no instruction. Just point and shoot. I am routinely appalled by this memory.

Same thing happened to a poor Gen Z kid. Boomer ass dad had him shoot a 12 gauge for his first time. Kid was crying and pissed when it kicked back and he lost control and dropped it (also hit the target carrier). He was MORTIFYED and his dad was a dick about it. Growing up with a partially absent, always abusive dad, I find this memory appalling as well.

I think I just hate shotguns.

  1. most people suck at shooting - so much so I don't really feel the need to carry. Just get outside of 7 yards and you'll be fine. unless it's a rifle, people tend to better with those.

  2. No one likes revolvers anymore. For every 100 polymer framed pistols we sell, we sell about 1 revolver. No one appears to shoot revolvers accurately outside of 10 yards.

  3. Body type and clothing determine how you should carry. If you carry appendix and cannot see your firearm when you look down, carry another way. We had this customer, a heavy-set guy in his 30s or 40s, carrying appendix. Apparently, his holster wasn't connected properly (and he didn't realize it) and he turned around to leave the store and his holstered gun fell out of his shorts and he kicked it while he stepped forward. His gun popped up a couple feet, like a hacky sack, then hit the ground and slid across the floor 30 feet and hit the wall with a thud in front of everyone.

It was like a record scratch, everyone stopped and stood there in shocked silence looking at the pistol. He was very embarrassed and muttered to the employee helping him, "I couldn't see it".

The employee helping him was really shook. "That hit the ground pointing at my head... I can't fucking believe it..."

Lemme know if you'd like to hear more, I can tell stories all day long!

I wanna write up a story about the about the older guy who came in with his daughter and I almost drew my gun on her dad and became friends with his daughter (she's in her 30s).

I've also multiple guns drawn on me and even had to brandish one myself.

All in a day's work lol

520 Comments
2024/11/30
13:20 UTC

176

Any fellow Deadheads in here??

Had to “wave that flag” somehow or another. Found these tactical Dead Bear patches to throw on my gun bag.

33 Comments
2024/11/30
13:20 UTC

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Flush guide rod for Glock 19 Gen 3?

Any recommendations? Building up a P80 and looking for stainless or nitrided.

Also, is this going to affect performance in any meaningful way? Not really a Glock guy so learning the platform.

0 Comments
2024/11/30
03:59 UTC

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First gun

I never thought I would do this, but I want to be able to protect myself. I am thinking a carbine or shotgun. Wife and I are empty nesters and in our 60s. I think I’m too shaky for a handgun.

Where do I even start? Lucky for me, I am in Texas, so there are gun shops, ranges and lessons all around me. What is worth my money? If you had like $1500 to spend, what would you do? And is $1500 enough?

40 Comments
2024/11/30
06:51 UTC

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Questions about which type of sling (and possibly parts) I need for a new PSA AR

Image for reference of the stock I have on this rifle. I’m having trouble figuring out which direction to go searching for a sling. To add to the confusion, I don’t know anything about slings and what kinds of connectors I’d be looking for. TIA for advice.

6 Comments
2024/11/30
05:01 UTC

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Air rifle for hunting nutria?

I'm looking for a good air rifle to hunt nutria. Air rifle because it's super quiet. Nutria because they're an invasive species and I can harvest the meat and turn the pelts into fur / leather.

Would a 30 or 35 cal work better?

What brands should I focus on?

16 Comments
2024/11/30
01:27 UTC

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which shotgun ammo should i stockpile first?

I have a lovely Vepr 12 shotgun but have no idea what ammo I should be stockpiling first in anticipation of higher prices these next few years. would it be better to have 1k of rifled slugs or buckshot?

22 Comments
2024/11/30
01:11 UTC

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