what if they had let jerad littel's joker have a full sized beard? would it have taught the naysayers a lesson, or would the performance been the same? many of my lovers are speculating about this big "what if" scenario, but iam reaching out to the wider joker community to ask for your input.

Alright, hear me out—I've been thinking about what Joker 2 should have been instead of whatever musical fever dream we ended up getting. Instead of doubling down on chaos and Harley Quinn nonsense, imagine a quieter, more satirical take on Arthur Fleck’s journey.

The movie picks up a few years later. Arthur, now out of Arkham or at least wandering free, is completely detached from reality but oddly at peace. He has no real ambitions, no master plan—just an eerie, childlike innocence. Through a bizarre twist of fate, he stumbles into high society, where his vague, offhand remarks about "the way things grow" (he's obsessed with watching TV nature documentaries) are misinterpreted as profound political insight.

Rich and powerful people - out of touch, desperate for meaning - start seeing him as some kind of visionary. The media eats it up. News anchors analyze his every word like scripture. The wealthy elite invite him to lavish parties, seeking his wisdom. The funniest part? Arthur has no idea what’s going on. He’s just being himself - awkward, soft-spoken, weirdly polite - but everything he does is mistaken for genius.

As the film goes on, it becomes clear that he might actually end up in a position of real power—maybe even running for office, all without truly understanding what he’s doing. His accidental rise exposes how absurd and empty the ruling class really is.

And the best part? The film ends without any "gotcha" moment. No grand reveal, no sudden chaos. Arthur just keeps drifting upwards, smiling, unaware, while the world bends around him.

Wouldn't that have been a perfect follow-up? Something unsettling, funny, and deeply cynical about modern society?

Anyway, what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NycD73xVnsk

I recently watched The Killing Joke and noticed that a large part of the movie focuses on Batgirl, which was increasingly boring because I had to watch some boring person in the movie I didn’t even care about. And the scene where Batman and Batgirl were having sex was absolutely awful I had to pause the movie for 20 minutes. That scene wasn’t necessary at all. It took about 30 minutes for the Joker to actually appear. So, I just wanted to ask is the comic book better than the movie, and does it also involve Batgirl? If so, which book should I get? Because I could’ve sworn there was a deluxe version of it.

He was a great Joker. I haven't seen the second dark knight yet

Why didn't he walk out a free man, especially by the end of the second movie, with no twists or catch?

Those 12 people in the second movie technically all betrayed him

Honestly what a sad pathetic ending