Hello everyone, this is my first post here!

I've been lately engaged with some future oriented philosophies. My little journey started with Herbert Marcuse and his notion of repressed society that can be different, non-alienating, harmonious with nature due to technological advancement if we think about future alternatively and so on so on.
To my knowledge, at least on the left side, there is two, let's say, utopian schools of philosophy that advocate for breaking status quo: left-wing accelerationism and degrowth. I've been reading books on these, and they seem relatively complementary to some degree, and on the other hand, they continue to criticize each other in some aspects (for example, Alex Williams and Nick Srnirnek in Accelerationist Manifesto and Inventing the Future: Postcapitalism and a World Without Work are against so called 'folk politics' that degrowth seems to incorporate, and Kohei Saito in Slow Down: The Degrowth Manifesto criticize accererationism, claiming that it is based on wishful thinking).

These two interest me, but I've wondered if there is maybe some other left-wing propositions for system after capitalism. I appriciate both of them to some degree, but I'd like to enrich my understanding and action against status quo.

I would like to see some other stuff on these - primarily contemporary, but anything is welcome.

You can watch it here

It's a 2009 movie where a digital archive worker browses through data and interviews up to 2010 about the climate. It's 2055, London is flooded, Sydney and the Amazon are burning, Las Vegas is swallowed by the desert, the Alps are snowless, and nuclear war had destroyed India; civilization and the biosphere collapsed. The world warmed at 4°C above preindustrial average. He asks "why didn't we save ourselves when we had the chance?".

It includes news reports as well as interviews. Interviewed people include George Monbiot, Mark Lynas, as well as the oldest tourist guide in the Alps who witnessed the changes in the climate in the Alps and society (more on that in a second), Jeh Wadia, who established an Indian low cost airline GoAir, a doctor in Nigeria who's region was ravaged by the oil industry, a Shell employee who's home was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, a family of refugees fleeing the imperialist invasion of Iraq by the US, and a wind energy developer in the UK facing backlash from rural NIMBYs.

It also includes clips about how the oil industry and its obscene profits impact politics, society and the biosphere, how humans always fought for resources (and how it stayed that way with oil and the rising consumerist expectations of the working class), how consumerism and capitalism destroy us and the planet, and a solution known as C&C (Contraction and Convergence), where each country would be allocated an emissions and resources quota corresponding to their current level and then reduce them to equal levels, with the Global North starting to slash its emissions and the Global South doing it slowly and later to lift people out of poverty and develop themselves.

#This movie goes beyond "saving le planet", it actually looks to the root of the issue: capitalism, colonialism and imperialism.

It takes about how ridiculous consumerism is (the Alps tourist guide talks about being "invaded by cars, and later by trucks" with the Mont Blanc tunnel and its expansions), how capitalism is unsustainable and disastrous not just for the planet, but for most people too, and about the horrors of colonialism, imperialism and wars

My best quotes are "Capitalism's only goal is ever expanding growth, but ever expanding growth on the just one, not expanding planet, is impossible. The current economic system is disastrous not just for the planet, but for most people too. 400 years of capitalism have allowed the richest 1% to take 40% of the world's wealth, leaving just 1% for the poorest half. But anyone wanting to live differently is thwarted at every time. With profit the only measuring stick, destroying the planet is written into the system, and runaway climate change is a not very surprising result", "The emissions from Nigerian gas flares are 18 million tonnes of carbon dioxide, more than 10 million homes [...] because they have the money and they are big companies, they can just do whatever they like", "why are US cities designed so that it's almost impossible not to have a car? [...] Why was the same PR firm employed by the tobacco industry to persuade the public that smoking is healthy, then employed by the oil industry to convince us there is still doubt about climate change? [...] Because right from the early days of the industry, the oilmen and their obscene profits have had an unhealthy relationship with the people running our country [the US] and now, they are the people running our country", "Human history is littered with corpses of people who had stuff worth stealing [...] as cheap, energy, slaves were unbeatable, until a less troublesome energy source was discovered, and a new era began [...] and with each person wanting more and more stuff, oil became THE resource worth fighting for, all around the world", "Skiing in the desert, heating the air, lighting empty offices. Energy is so ridiculously cheap, it makes perfect economic sense to just piss it away. [...] Western companies pay Chinese workers crap wages to make crap plastic toys [...] People drive to the out of town store in their gas guzzlers, plastic toy in a plastic box goes into plastic bag, a day later, the toy is broken, and back it goes to a Chinese landfill, where it goes for hmm, 50 thousand years? [...]".

Hello everyone,

Is there anyone in this community that lives in San Diego? I am interested in doing an online reading group, with hopes of organically developing into something more. Please let me know if you are interested and we can set something up.

I'm mostly pro-GreenGrowth, but I agree with some degrowth ideas like anticonsumptionism and rebalancing economy. While I can imagine how greengtowth society would look like, I can't do the same with degrowth.

Disclaimer: OP doesn't want to argue about degrowth, he only want to get the idea of post degrowth society.

Okay so Im into degrowth and solarpunk and stuff, but I've recently become worried that we might not be able to provide for billions of people at all because the industrailization of agriculture and many other resources requires non-renwable resources that f- with the environment/modern civilization is incredibky energy-intensive which - regardless of the shit to more renwabke forms of energy for many things - will still cause damage to the environment.

So bascially: its seems capitalism - in its obsession with overproduction and extracting as many resources from the planet as possible - may have led to this overpopulation/ecological overshoot.

My question is, am I right, because I'm worried recycling batteries wont be enough to stop this with wood, plastic, and - most importantly - food reling on pesticides and many fertilizers coming from fossil fuels as well as many of the metals we use in...well...everything! Many resources seem to require de-industralization and a return to earlier forms of farming, which would mean less food produced, and a return to trying to have a less energy intensive society in the first place because, again, how many solar panals can we build in a way that doesn't fuck with the places they are installed?

So, am i wrong? Does degrowth in our economy require the eventual degrowth in population? Or do I sound like Thanos saying we need to kill half the population or something? Because I really dont get any of this myself and could use some help evaluating this stuff. I assume others know more about the extent to which we can maintain industrialized society and gloal supply chains in a more sustainable system - do we even want/need that?

Vs the fascists

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/s/mYkGKFgBtU

Bro I'm just - I read the comments. Now I'm upset. I know this is a relatively popular idea, but I just hate it so much. It goes against my spiritual beliefs and many indigenous peoples'. It's only part of a solution for resources. And it will cost insane amounts of carbon to achieve - carbon which we don't have to spend.

I'm posting here since it seemed attinent to the goal of degrowth. I lowkey would like to start a buy nothing group in the future. I just heard of them. There's nothig sikilar in my area? Is it as complicated to organize as a library of things or is it easier? Do i just create a community, a group online and then people do it by themselves? What are the rules?

I'm writing my bachelor's dissertation and I want to connect advertising and apply degrowth principles to curb the culture of promoting consumerism. I'm fairly new to the degrowth term but had been looking for 'anti-consumerist advertising which also combats planned obsolescence' until I came across degrowth and hv been extremely fascinated by it since it also seems to cover a lot of other issues I used to think abt.

I want to ask how can I connect advertising and degrowth in a way that also contributes to the Degrowth movement. I did some literature review but not much is available. Thank you for your suggestions!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/08/books/review/shrink-the-economy-save-the-world.html?smid=url-share

A good and balanced overview. Tdlr : Planet in peril, capitalism is fundamentally flawed, solutions are proposed from social and normative changes in life's core values and/or technological innovation.

The study in the tweet

Behold the unity sphere.

Schools, kitchens, diners, lounges, theaters, studios, libraries, stages, bedrooms, saunas, showers, maker spaces, and more, all located within. Play table games, sports, arcade games, watch movies, garden outside, make soap so people can shower in their shower places.

I need you to imagine this with effort into a positive light. I need you to imagine this in a non dystopian way, see the light. I am interacting with your brain as you read this to unlock a new creative vision.

The orb contains all material and social needs. The large gardens outside provide food and other goods within. The communal kitchens, communal diners, arcades, theaters, and studios to film or animated movies or produce music in.

There be workshops outside and such. Yes there are windows its just im not drawing all that. There should also be balconies as well. And fuck it since it's science fiction let's add a ufo landing deck for travel to other orbs.

Hey degrowth community, I’m very new to topic and don’t know much of literature surrounding degrowth. Therefore, my questions to you is regarding something I’m working on would love your input. I’m trying to divide global carbon budget to different sectors and most of the sectors are above their assigned quota. Thus I was wondering if I could assign quotas using some degrowth principles. Here I’m very immaturely and loosely using the term degrowth due to my lack of understanding. Any input would be greatly appreciated and if you could guide me some of the work that could help me, thanks in advance.