Just finished reading DoY and I feel so bad for how everyone abandons Kavik at the end. I understand why Yangchen won't trust him anymore, and why the others aren't visiting him but I still feel so horrible. If only his brother hadn't taken advantage of him

Looks like a girl from the Earth Kingdom, with the Earthy tones in her clothing. Not far from how Kyoshi looks as a teen.

For an example in Dawn it was mention that Kavik had already meet Boma by the time he return to Bin-Er at the end of that book, But we never say the moment where Kavik meet Boma for the first time by Avatar Yangchen it mostly happened offpage pius we don't know which chapter that the two meet?

As far as Legacy I wish we got to see the scene where Avatar Yangchen meets Fire Lord Gonryu before she meets Chief Oyaluk, Jujinta's backstory (I understand why in-universe and makes sense for that character still I wish we learn more about the Yuyans I always assumed their training is similar to that of the Spartans or at least their training system the Agoge?) and the details of the origins of Project Unanimity especially the latter where it feels like there was a version of this book that had more Chaisee focus and Unanimity/combustionbending was explored in more detail, but what we got felt so cautious around this stuff?

Those are the mains ones that caught my attention when reading both books I would like to know what are the other ones also how would you imagined Jujinta's backstory like the yuyan training in general as well as his home island as well as the whole unaimity stuff or at least you'r own takes?

So, I finished both the Kyoshi books and the first Yangchen novel. Kyoshi in particular was an interesting figure for me and I was desperate to find out more about her.

The books are really fascinating. But it also got me thinking a little bit about Kyoshi and her character.

We all know the infamous scenes in the cartoon where she admits to having killed Chin, admits to Aang that she sees no difference in killing him and letting him die and also adviced Aang into being decisive in regards to Ozai.

All this pretty much fed into the creation of Fandom Kyoshi, who is commonly portrayed as being an incredibly ruthless Avatar, unafraid to kill.

However, in my opinion this is just one aspect of Kyoshi. Her duology showed one personality trait of her, which isn’t talked about often: Her compassion.

She challenged the Yellow Necks when they threatened a farmer family and was willing to harshly punish officers in Ba Sing Se, when they were about to evict and injure a innocent family. She even threatened Fire Lord Zoryu himself, if he dared to execute his Yun-double.

All this lead me to the following question: How did this women, who was so eager to defend helpless people she didn’t even knew, allow Chin to rise and conquer so much of the Earth Kingdom in the first place?

Now there are theories that as the Avatar, she isn’t supposed to meddle in the inner workings of the four nations. That may have been true, but that didn’t stop Kyoshi to do just that in the novels.

In my opinion the fandom has to consider the following facts: Kyoshi lived for over two centuries. She must have seen and experienced many things most people couldn’t begin to fathom. Her personality would have changed considerably in that time.

I don’t want to say that she was becoming cynical or resigned in her old days, but perhaps she saw that she couldn’t nip every problem in the mud as soon as it reared it’s head. The novels showed her early Avatar years, it is reasonable to assume, she was a little bit more brash and eager to solve perceived problems.

I don’t know, where exactly the incident with Chin occurred in the timeline, but I headcanon , that Chin opposed an older, more experienced and way more confident Kyoshi, who didn’t necessarily perceived him as a serious problem at first. It may be, why she didn’t immediately moved to defeat him.

That is what I think at least. I can also be completely wrong.

I didn't expect the second book to be a little more stressful than the first one (for me) but man it was so rare for things to go Kyoshi's way in this one. Definitely a lot more politics and saw the worse traits that people could show here. I listed down things that I loved in both books and the things that I didn't below and wanted to see other people's as well if that's alright. (～￣▽￣)～

Things I loved:

• How Hei-Ran was absolutely supportive of Kyoshi and Rangi's relationship and was even comforting Kyoshi after she just got stabbed in the neck by Yun and was healing
• RANGI DIDN'T DIE AT THE END WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT I CAN SAY FOR OTHER MEDIA WITH QUEER RELATIONSHIPS, but they did give me a scare there for a moment (っ °Д °;)っ
• They didn't kill Hei-Ran, Aunt Mui, or any of the characters in the Avatar gang as well in the final fight, killing Yun was painful enough for Kyoshi
• I know it wasn't the best plan Fire Lord Zoryu did when Kyoshi ultimately failed at getting a confession from either Chaejin or Huazo but I didn't know he had a plan. It was also nice to see that both characters Chaejin or Zoryu had bad their bad sides (thankfully, Kyoshi is always watching)
• We now understand Avatar Yancheng and Avatar Kuruk a bit more but I would soon see after reading the Yancheng books as well but really sad of what Kuruk had to go through alone
• Kyoshi (and Rangi) still keeping in mind their daofei oaths even when Kirima and Wong is not around, the turnaround that Kyoshi had with daofei after spending some time with them was also nice
• I'm glad that it was Avatar Yancheng instead of Jesa in one of the last chapters

Things that I would have liked to see/I didn't like:

• More lighthearted moments (for Shadow of Kyoshi definitely), I was definitely 90% stressed of how things were about to go down for the second book because there was a lot happening but this might be me missing the first companions that Kyoshi had too in the first book and I would not have minded the second book getting longer for this

• I would have loved to see some Avatar Szeto as well but understood how it might be pushing it since they do start from most recent predecessor and then go their way back, but it would have been amazing to see his insights especially with what's happening in the fire nation

• I miss Kelsang (our best kite ever), and Lek :( I expected that there might have been a moment where Kyoshi and Kelsang talked in the Spirit world but no

Sorry for the long post! Definitely forgot some of things that I wanted to list down but happy to hear other's thoughts. These are definitely subjective too and I'm certainly not forcing my ideas to anyone but just wanted to share them. Thinking about reading Yancheng books but I might read fanfiction for the Kyoshi novels first to relax as I'm not sure if it's more or less stressful than Kyoshi's story.

As I read Yangchen I felt it was a strange that despite the Saowon not doing so well in her time they were one of the Fire Nation's strongest clans during Kyoshi's, with their Ma'inka island apparently doing well in times were the fire nation was facing economic collapse and famine. I don't think this was a coincidence so there must've been some factor that worked to their favor that differentiated them from the rest of the Fire Nation and the only one I can think of is this: given how Yangchen concluded they would blame her from the affront at their honor, they likely came to distrust the avatar's policies, so unlike the rest of the fire nation they ignored Szeto's laws.

Now, I'm not saying that Szetto's policies were bad in and on themselves, in fact I have no doubt they were excellently crafted...for the time period they were made in, because no law should go unchanged as time passes. Say, if we go by what was described during his time Szeto seems to have made sure that the clans didn't war with each other and instead shared resources, which in turn allowed them to better feed peasants all while making sure the value of the coin remained consistent around the country all of which allowed the fire nation to remain stable.

In a time when he had just optimized the usage of resources, this worked well and I suppose that if he had been around he would've known when to change in times were new problems such as a bad season, overfishing or overfarming meant there were less resources available to share. I'm no agrarian or economist but from what I understand in this times, it would be a better investment to save grain reserves, not overspend, save water, reserve some pieces of land or sea for later use as the fish repopulated and you helped the field regenerate its nutrients rather than use up all the resources at once.

While I'm sure someone as smart as Szeto would've known when to shift policies when the time needed it, an oaf like Fire Lord Chaeryu wouldn't have cared to do this and his Szeto worshipíng bureaucrats would probably think twice before changing this policies so intead allowed this overusage of resources to go on. For that matter given his propensity to throw parties, his “appetites” and his rule being known for its plentyful food, Chaeryu probably spent massively and used Szeto's law as an excuse.

Meanwhile, while Saowon being innitially weak in Chaeryu's time implies that not liking the avatar didn't authomatically mean good policies, the fact that Lady Huazo wasn't educated under the absolute worship of this of the avatar's laws and her own disspasionate dislike for her ex lover meant she didn't have the rest of the nation's bias and she was able to make better decisions at the right time. I dare say, the Saowon being humbled by their experience farming in land's meant for the spirits made it easier for them to keep certain lands in reserve out of respect for the spirits' wrath which reflects on Chaejin's strong religious beliefs.

Under kinder circumstances and without Yun worsening everything, Zoryu might've been able to solve the food crisis by by promoting more free thinking policies among the clans and perhaps making peace with Huazo herself, who unlike Chaejin had a good head on her shoulders and might've been convinced to making peace if she saw a more benefitial option even giving her a degree of authority as her as an advisor, thus keeping a good eye on her and creating a rift between her and her son. However, he seems to have done the opposite, centralizing the power of the firelord to impose policies on the clans, which likely worked seeing how well the fire nation was doing by Sozin's time but with nastier long term effects, including the belief that a fire avatar is meant to be a vassal to the fire lord as his laws (which likely weren't completely repelled so much as as altered and expanded) were now for the Fire Lord to change as he saw fit.

Stop it, Yun. I'm blushing!

Why did they do my goat Kelsang like that 😭 I’m at a loss for words I did not expect my man to die like that, he was probably top 3 favourite character so far what is this 😭

So as my title states I am currently working on a new fanfic it is called the legend of Ayala. It's about the female fire avatar that preceded szeto(the one a lot of people thought had no arms). Anyway obviously almost none of the characters of the kyoshi novels will be in it as this takes place far before they were born..... well except one that I am including in this novel. I am obviously talking about Lao Ge as he himself hinted that he was around since the era of guru laghima and shoken. He won't play a major role in my fanfic, but he will still play a part in it.

To give you guys some context during this era things are very tense with the nations being almost ready to go to war. This tense atmosphere is being exacerbated by this illuminati organization sort of like an evil version of the white lotus. Their main goal is that they believe that the world leaders are too inefficient and they seek to replace them with people under their control to run the world more efficiently.

Lao Ge is an associate of theirs as he somewhat agrees with their goals and as such sometimes assists them with their missions.

What I wanted your advice for is to say if this sounds to OOC for Lao Ge or not i'm all ears.

I mean the hair and everything just solidifies it. Love how Ian, Elizabeth, Gordon, Dallas and Kiawentiio are just having the time of their lives.

This fight has bothered me in both of my readings of this book. Kyoshi has been given overwhelming evidence that Yun cannot be saved. He then proceeds to brutally demolish everyone who participates in the fight and… Kyoshi just stands there.

I get not wanting to hurt Yun, she loved him after all, but for the love of the Avatar do SOMETHING.

Just essentially watches every one of her friends get absolutely brutalized by Yun and does nothing to protect them. Like GURL. You’re the most powerful bender alive.

She just watches Jinpa tank an earth spear and does so little to stop it. There’s so many moments in this novel I roll my eyes. Yes, I understand this book is not about Kyoshi’s victories, it’s showing her at her lowest, but the fact that she allowed herself to be pushed around by absolutely everyone following her seeming to learn the opposite lesson in the first book drives me NUTS.

The fact that Roku apparently handled Sozin better than Kyoshi did Zoryu is absolute b.s. She lets herself get played, allows an innocent (well, kinda) clan, the Saowon’s, to be implicated in sabotaging the Fire Nation, lets the False Yun rot in prison for the rest of his life, and all around blunders her way through every second she’s in the Fire nation.

I can’t even blame Kyoshi! Apparently no one thought she should be given proper lessons on Fire Nation politics before she went there, then she’s given a very half-assed walkthrough and not even warned about the political situation which Rangi is clearly aware of.

I feel like Rise of Kyoshi taught Kyoshi a lot of lessons in decisiveness and standing up for herself, she becomes so much more confident, but it’s like after the first chapter she’s back to being her old self.

Thank you for reading my rant, I apologize. I’m sure there’s a deeper reason for the creative choices made in this novel, but I just don’t understand them.

Granted Yokoya only become famous and rose in prominence mostly due to being the home of Avatar Kyoshi and would later go on to become Kyoshi Island after she split the peninsula from Chin and his army. But still based on the map alone you probably think Earth King Feishan, Fire Lord Gonryu, and High Chief Oyaluk would have pick that small village due to geography wise.

I know that Yokoya was poor so I could that being a reason for not becoming a Shang City but we see this before in real life where before It become Tokoyto we all know today Edo was once a poor fishing village as well it was not until when The Tokugawa Shogunate made it into the capital that it rose to prominence and grew wealth over the next 200 years and beyond.

So If Yokoya Port was pick as a Shang City It could have experience a much more growth in terms of wealth like Edo which later go on to become Tokoyto and with it becoing a Shang City at least until trade was finally reopened then I could the conditions being a lot better during Kyoshi's lifetime? Any interesting what if scenario especially we know that Feishan cares deeply for the poor in the lower ring of Ba Sing Se?

So, Zuko is the great-grandson of Avatar Roku on his mother’s side. Are there any other known descendants of Avatars around?

I very much headcanon that Suki is descended from Kyoshi’s daughter Koko. But that hasn’t been discussed but it’s an interesting take.

Shouldn't Lady Huazo have been Duchess Huazo because she was head of the clan? Duke Zolian was called a duke so why wasn't Huazo labeled as a duchess.

Granted the out of universe reason is that Shadow of Kyoshi came first so at the time of writing Shadow Yee probably didn't think of giving the noble clan leaders fancy titles until when he was writing The Dawn of Yangchen?

Imagined a Fire & Blood type in-universe book covering The complete history of the lives of the Fire Lords from Zoryu at the end of the Camellia-Peony War (starting where the epilogue from Shadow of Kyoshi leave off.) to Sozin's early reign, Zoryu's genetional project of reducing the noble clans influence and the centralise the position of fire Lord until two centuries later when Sozin finally liquidates the last dissident clans under his rule at least according to Avatar the RPG corebook.

This is the worst field trip ever – Toph.

So I like many people have enjoyed baldur's gate 3 and since im about to start as a new character and after watching someone bring aang into baldur's gate 3 I was wondering if anyone had any tips for bringing everyone favorite tall lady into the game

Rangi, how I would love to see your normal face every day.

Could someone who listened to the audiobooks tell me how to pronounce Rangi's name? While reading I was pronouncing it with a soft G, then someone on tt said with a hard G. Now I switch back and forwards and it's driving me mad.

I just finished reading the books for the second time, and I still get the same feelings I did the first time I read them.

There's a lot of speculation as to why Jianzhu even took them to GW, who is obviously a powerful and malevolent spirit that feeds on human blood. But I think the danger was the point. He knew either Yun or Kyoshi was the Avatar, and anticipated the spare would die. If it was Kyoshi, she was expendable and a distraction for Yun. If it was Yun, it's actually more convenient if he's dead.

In an earlier chapter, Yun mentions that he's been banned from playing pai-sho "for a long time" and we see that Jianzhu is trying to sever Yun's connection with the earth. It's clear that he's trying to distance Yun from the things that bring him comfort and happiness because he sees it as an obstacle to training.

And it's implied later they have an ongoing conflict, when Yun insists on him, Kyoshi and Rangi traveling on Kelsang's bison rather than on the ship with Jianzhu. It's obvious he wants to get away from Jianzhu. Right after this, Kyoshi notes that Jianzhu is unhappy about her being there, and that Yun had to fight to keep her there. Jianzhu is already seeing Kyoshi as the latest on a list of distractions and things Yun needs to be severed from. So if she died to GW after Yun is confirmed as the Avatar, it might even be beneficial from his perspective.

On the other hand, if Kyoshi is the Avatar and Yun is the spare, him dying saves Jianzhu a lot of trouble. In the second chapter it's mentioned Yun spent most of the night "screaming and raging" over the missing villagers, who Jianzhu said were too insignificant for the earth king to care about. He gets angry over Jianzhu's sadistic killing of the yellow necks, and then tries to get all the hostages back without consulting him. Yun feels protective over the lowest rung of the earth kingdom, he used to be one of them, and thinks there should be a standard of decency even when it comes to how criminals are treated (ironically, he becomes more like Jianzhu later, seeing indiscriminate and brutal killing as an appropriate response to everything).

So Yun was already challenging him, while Kyoshi was meek. Jianzhu saw her as someone easier to shape, one big reason he was vying to be the Avatar's teacher was to secure his position. If Yun lived, there would be walking proof that Jianzhu made a mistake in identifying the Avatar. His best bet was Yun dying, and smearing him afterward as a swindler who actively tricked everyone, while Kyoshi was a real Avatar molded in Jianzhu's image. From how quickly he jumps to blaming the situation on Yun and the lack of remorse for his death, this was probably already a half-formed plan in Jianzhu's head.

His mistake is he assumes everyone has as little empathy as him. He doesn't consider how Kelsang might react to his daughter's death, or Hei-Ran if her daughter's best friend dies, or how Kyoshi would react if Yun dies. So that is the actual flaw in his plan, but as far as one of them potentially dying goes, I don't think he ever wanted to avoid that.

I’m currently on my second read of ROK and I keep coming to the same idea that Jianzhu wasn’t that bad and that we get the idea he is from Kyoshi’s pov. Even with the FGW moment Yun attacked first, so he wasn’t sacrificed and Jianzhu’s reasoning for saving Kyoshi 1st made sense. (And I feel that if Yun hadn’t let her go he could’ve grabbed them both.) However after this moment I agree he went off the deep end after Kelsang.

Apologies if I worded anything wrong I don’t post here (Reddit)often.

I really want to get my friend to read the Kyoshi novels but she can only read in French and she can’t find them in French is their a way to get them in French or get an audio reading of them in French

...a la Hyrule Historia for The Legend of Zelda series, The Dune Encyclopedia, Diablo: Book of Cain, or The Silmarillion for Tolkien's Middle Earth. The mythology of the Avatar universe is fascinating, and I'm always dying to learn more.

Which is why I think it'd be a great idea if Dark Horse Comics are some other licensed publisher created a sort of officially canonized 'Avatar bible', compiling and recording the entire history of the Avatar world from Day One, before humans and possibly even Spirits, all the way up to Korra's accomplishments after LoK.

Features could include:

• Individual and in-depth historical sections of each race and culture.
• Notable figures, rulers and leaders of each nation such as Gonryu, Chaeryu, Zoryu, Feishan, Jialun, Oyaluk, and Yosor and of course Arnook, Sozin, Azulon, and Ozai.
• Significant locations, battles, events and eras in time.
• The royal lineage and ancestry of both the Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation (highlighted with specific members and their feats/accomplishments/failures during their reign).
• And, of course, a catalog chronicling several notable Avatars and their efforts/achievements throughout the ages, starting with Wan the first.
• Artwork is a given, including early sketches and compositions for the main series.

I just love learning about ancient 'histories and facts' in mythologies that are insignificant or irrelevant yet still connected to the mainstream plots we already know, like The Yangchen Duology, The Kyoshi Duology, along with of course TLA and LoK. It helps make such universes like Avatar feel more real, and it establishes connections that are very much relevant and applicable to our own world.

My books just arrived and I wanted to read the Yangchen ones first and the Kyoshi ones, since I thought it would be better since it would be chronological. But then I heard some people say I should read it in the release order instead, so I wanted to ask here

I was spoiled on a lot prior to reading the Kyoshi novels so I went in with certain expectations. So one thing that was reiterated on tiktok and twitter was Yun's "spirit amp", and I was expecting an unavaatu situation. That towards the end he would have some kind of otherwordly power that matches Kyoshi's avatar state or something.

Instead, while he definitely does cool things with his bending and was entertaining to read about, his powers don't feel otherworldly at all. They felt like natural extensions of the abilities he'd been established having before the fusion. It's not shocking that someone who could upturn a grove to crush a spirit could also lift a building or melt a mansion. Also not surprising that someone with enough precision to write with pebbles and who has seismic sense could bend pigment in paint. His fighting style is less 'unavaatu' and more 'earthbending Azula'.

So while I don't have an issue with him not having unavaatu-like powers, since I found that whole concept a bit corny anyway, I'm confused as to what exactly his spirit amp does? Did he need the amp just to display bending mastery like he did in SoK? And if he did, then how was he even good enough to be confused for the Avatar? Kelsang and Jianzhu make it pretty clear his bending ability is a major factor in why he's identified as the Avatar, even if his pai sho skills were what initially caught their eye.

Also, I know glowworm is the reason he was able to tunnel out of the spirit world and track Kyoshi. But I'm talking about a power amp specifically. What exactly did the fusion do for his bending? Is there a passage or sentence I missed?