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Welcome Angel fans! Here we gush about Joss Whedon's spinoff from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The path to redemption is never an easy one.

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Do Angel & Spike have different powers?

Angel has super hearing and scampers up buildings like a spider but the only power Spike seems to have is the gift of the one liner and vampire strength. Otherwise he would hear Lindsey talking to Eve on the phone 2 feet away in S5 E12 that Corey's awake. Or he wouldn't have to lurk to hear when the gang is talking about him.

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2024/03/12
23:03 UTC

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I guess the plan was…

…once the fans determined that no one was buying Kate as a love interest for Angel, they decided to make her as annoying as possible.

My GOD I hate her character.

33 Comments
2024/03/12
03:00 UTC

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Question: A Hole in the World

Just a minor question cause I Love Illyria, but in A Hole in the World Drogan says Fred can be saved but only if everyone between her and the greater well dies in agony. So basically if Angel or Spike had thought to bring Fred with them on the plane, no one would have died and Fred would have been saved? Just asking cause all things considered, not taking Fred with them seems like a pretty bad decision.

20 Comments
2024/03/10
22:44 UTC

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Amusing thing with Cordy's return

Watching season 4 of Angel again, and when Cordy returns and sings to Lorne cause she can't remember anything she sings the song from the talent show in season 1 of Buffy and I love that callback

3 Comments
2024/03/10
21:21 UTC

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Power

What determines the power level of a vampire? It’s established in Angel that Darla is more powerful than Angel, but they never really explain why (to my knowledge).

20 Comments
2024/03/10
06:02 UTC

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watching season 5 and all I am thinking is there better be a damn good reason why Angel did the memory thing in season 4 finale

only up to s5 ep10 Soul Purpose so no spoilers

For someone who has witnessed first-hand how hurtful betrayal is when Wesley kidnapped Connor, for him to turn around and wipe the last 2 years of memories from his friends without consulting them....

If the show doesn't provide a damn good reason for him committing such an invasion of privacy, I no longer think he can claim any high horse compared to Wesley's act.

24 Comments
2024/03/10
04:53 UTC

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Photographic memory

There’s at least two instances, both in season 4 of Angel, that he mentions he has photograph memory. That’s not just him right? It’s all vampires that have it? If so, I don’t believe any other vampire has mentioned having it. There are way more instances of vampires “forgetting” things.

6 Comments
2024/03/09
21:44 UTC

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Only just noticed this after years and years

Watching "She", which is not one of my faves, but I do watch all episodes when I do a rewatch.

Anyway, I just noticed that at the beginning of the episode Angel is struggling to make conversation with a woman at Cordelia's party, who mentions she has a fine arts degree.

And then later in the episode when Angel is following the woman who burns people, to blend in he pretends to be a museum guide and talks in great detail about the painting in the gallery!

20 Comments
2024/03/09
19:31 UTC

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Why I think Not Fade Away Is the best way to end the show

The conclusion of a beloved television show is often met with a mix of emotions from fans, as they bid farewell to characters and storylines that have become a significant part of their lives, its sure did for me . In the case of the final "Angel," story "Not Fade Away," the ending left some tons fans upset, and i absolutely absolutely understand that and everyone got the right to be upset about it but ; over the many many years i have heard many bad things being said about this episode and i think i should share why i feel like this was actually the perfect way to end this show and why i personally think its one of the greatest television finales ever made.

it's important to recognize that no matter what direction the writers choose to take in concluding a series, it is impossible to please everyone. That being said, "Not Fade Away" stands out as one of the greatest and perhaps the best ending for the show, for several compelling reasons.

First and foremost, "Not Fade Away" encapsulates the core themes of sacrifice, redemption, and heroism that have been prevalent throughout the entirety of "Angel." As Angel and his team face insurmountable odds in a final battle against the forces of evil, they are forced to make difficult choices and confront their own flaws. The episode's emphasis on the characters' growth and resilience serves as a poignant reminder of the transformative journeys they have undertaken over the course of the series.

the heroes' bravery and determination in the face of seemingly unbeatable enemies.

The episode is only 42 minutes long and yet and the first 38 minutes don't feel rushed nor slow each character is giving a proper send off since angel told them early on to take the day off and live the day like it's the last .

It's tragic but also beautiful. We see spike having a book end to his story telling the poem he said on his actual last day as human before turning into vampire. And this time he get the respect for his poem . Gunn goes back for dull circles visiting his old Place and helping Ann and I have many many thingstoay about this I will save it for another post.

The Wesley stuff in this is just perfect.

"There is no perfect day for me Illyria "

The fact that the ending is open ended is actually the best way to end the Show on .

A suddenly happy ending would contrast with what the show is about and also we got something like that with chosen the end of buffy , if its 100 percent tragic it would also wouldn't be as perfect as this . The fact that it's another big battle that may or may not live makes it more worthy . The fight will never ever stop not now not after 10 more seasons.

Angel and his crew also got nothing more to live up to they lost everything they care about to live but that didn't change what who they are the still fighting the good fight as doyle put it in his last episode hero .

This show was both tragic and beautiful and it's the most roller-coaster of Journey with some of the best and worst stories ever made and the ending is nothing but a beautiful tribute to Angel the Show and the buffyvers as well reminding the audience that just like the real world , life is hard and complex and and we don't have that much control of our destiny but we have all control and freedom of who we are and what we are and what we stand for .

I have seen hundreds maybe thousands of series endings but I don't think I am more satisfied with an ending just like not fade away ( maybe six feet under everyone waiting)

10 out of 10 for me .

44 Comments
2024/03/08
22:49 UTC

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Fredless question

Why does Lorne send Fred running away instead of just dealing with her parents? It’s clearly not her path and clearly dealing with her parents is best for her and everyone. The only upside was maybe that way they also got the bug goo clue? Seems a bit of a misdirect from Lorne for no clear reason.

4 Comments
2024/03/08
11:27 UTC

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Which one should I watch first?

What’s the first one to watch angel, or Buffy the vampire slayer 1992 or there’s 1997

15 Comments
2024/03/08
02:56 UTC

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I hate Wesley

Wesley kidnapping Connor, then acting like Gunn was rude to try to come to him for help when Fred got infected has just infuriated me to no end.

Wesley betrayed their trust, Welsey got Connor taken, Wesley attacked Lorne, Wesley met with Holtz. For him to sit there and act like he was the one betrayed just aggrivates me to no end, not to mention only wanting to help because he has a crush on Fred.

I get his character is like that, Ive read some of the other threads on Wesley about how his father never apologised so he doesnt either, but I just cant see myself even liking him anymore.

Sorry for the long post, I needed to rant about this.

48 Comments
2024/03/07
23:39 UTC

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Hate the Wesley/Fred/Gunn love triangle

This has probably been said many times on here and isn't an original thought, but I really hate the Wes/Fred/Gunn love triangle. I like all the characters involved, and I like Fred and Gunn fine together. I also don't mind when Fred and Wes get together since they're cute and Gunn acts like an adult about it in S5. I found it a little creepy and immature in S3 that Wesley let his jealousy over a girl who didn't return his feelings get in between his friendship with Gunn. He's shown as being willing to basically take a bullet for Gunn in The Thin Dead Line, but then things get weird between them just because Gunn is dating a girl who Wes likes? It's not like Wes and Fred had some deep connection, it was a crush and he didn't know her that well. I love Wes and I don't mind him having flaws and doing things that are much worse than his behavior towards Fred but this flaw is just a bummer.

Even though I like Fred, I prefer the dynamic between the gang before she shows up partially for this reason.

21 Comments
2024/03/07
21:24 UTC

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Unpopular Opinion: I love Connor (more than Dawn).

20 Comments
2024/03/07
18:50 UTC

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First time watcher

“Easy baby” 😭

3 Comments
2024/03/07
17:48 UTC

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Who would Buffy take with her on patrolling of the Fang Gang excluding Angel and Spike?

Excluding Angel and Spike who in the Fang Gang would Buffy take with on patrolling? And if she ever needed a back up fighter in Los Angeles who would she consider her second in command? I think she would take Gunn with her because he's been dusting vamps for as long as she has they both started at 16.

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21 Comments
2024/03/07
17:13 UTC

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Anyone else notices that Angel has a thing for blondes?

From Darla to Buffy to Kate to Nina the guy clearly has a type. Cordelia is probably the only one who is furthest from that pattern and that's one of many reasons why I like Angel with Codelia.

19 Comments
2024/03/07
08:43 UTC

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think Angel Season 3 Is Underrated

I know I know it's got many big problems but so does all Seasons ( maybe not 2 or 5) but I love all seasons and Season 3 is no different. But I have noticed it's the least talked about Season of the show. So do you think it's Underrated or not

17 Comments
2024/03/07
03:05 UTC

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Season 5 - Happy Time appreciation post

I love season 5 and in particular happy time! It’s so funny, part of my main reason for loving buffy and angel is the comedy and this episode is one of the best! Wee little puppet man

9 Comments
2024/03/07
01:22 UTC

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Angel bleeding

I'm in my first rewatch and I don't understand how Angel, or any of them, bleed without a heartbeat. Never thought of it before and now it's bugging me. Just watched S4, E7 and Angel gets stabbed in the throat and he's all gurgling blood and it's pouring out. How?

27 Comments
2024/03/06
18:54 UTC

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Cordelia dying (permanently) at the end of season 3 would’ve been a more dignified end. For the character.

What the writers did to Cordelia Chase is one the worst character assassinations I’ve seen in television. It took our beloved queen bee and ruined what was some of the best character development in the buffyverse ( behind Wesley). It was insulting to watch and almost made me quit angel to be honest. I loved her. Her presence in season 4 was just awful. Nobody wanted an evil possessed Cordy arc. NOBODY. It wasn’t even well written or compelling it was just lifeless boring and off putting. Awful just awful. It’s been years and it still annoys me in every rewatch. Should have killed her off instead of making her a higher power. Have Her go out protecting Connor. That would’ve been an honourable and less insulting end for her.

46 Comments
2024/03/06
17:53 UTC

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Word Of The Day...

6 Comments
2024/03/06
10:44 UTC

189

Anyone else kinda into Gwunn?

40 Comments
2024/03/06
06:24 UTC

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Best and worst of each season.

Season one best: I will remember you. Worst: she( ugh) season 2 best: reunion worst: happy anniversary ( easily the worst pre season 4 episode) season 3 best : sleep tight. Worst: tomorrow. Season 4 best:salvage worst: everything post Orpheus. Season 5 best: not fade away. Worst: the cautionary tale of numero cinco.

2 Comments
2024/03/06
03:35 UTC

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How old were you when you first discovered Buffy & Angel?

16 Comments
2024/03/06
00:59 UTC

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In season 3, was Fred that naive about Wesley having a crush on her?

I’m rewatching the series and noticing that in season 3, Fred is surprised when Gunn tells her that Wesley has a crush on her (when she’s already dating Gunn). I mean…how did she not know this already?

Seemed pretty obvious to anyone during “Waiting in the Wings” or even as far back as his creepy inferences in “Billy”.

Plus, she could easily tell that Gunn liked her unless he’s just more forward about his feelings than Wesley.

24 Comments
2024/03/05
20:52 UTC

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Opinions on Justine Cooper

How do people feel about Justine Cooper, the Vampire Hunter?

I thought her acting was really poor, and her motivations felt unclear to me. Also the fact that the actress was more famous for her work on the L Word kept distracting me.

32 Comments
2024/03/05
19:21 UTC

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Would this be a better or worse way of handling Connor in your opinion?

Okay, so obviously the writers weren't going to have Angel actually have a happy domestic life and raise his son throughout his life, plus you can't exactly have a child grow up onscreen and do anything with them, but a lot of people thought it was pointlessly cruel to give Angel a son that he loved so much and then immediately have him kidnapped and spend his childhood and teenage years in a horrible hell dimension, it does seem like overkill. But like I said, you can't exactly do anything with a newborn character.

Here's an alternate suggestion I have that could work but may also be a bit more cliched. Why not just use the fact that Connor is part demon as an excuse for him to age at a rapid rate? We see it all the time on sci-fi and supernatural shows. How the half demon/alien offspring becomes an adult practically overnight, or they are physically a preteen when they should only be a year old. Would this be better or worse in your opinion? It would mean Angel got to raise his son, but at the same time you could just go to a teenage or adult actor in just a few episodes, and you could maybe play up his half demon heritage more and build up to the battle to Sahjan quicker. What would you think?

11 Comments
2024/03/05
00:54 UTC

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Today is National Son's Day

2 Comments
2024/03/05
00:45 UTC

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