I remember 'Cordy' saying that Faith was supposed to be in prison for murder and the gang seem surprised so I guess Wesley didn't mention that. He must have been gone for hours though so what explanation do you imagine he gave?

For context: the category comes from the Joker (the film I believe) and symbolizes someone who takes society too seriously. I’ve also seen people say it represents someone who is disgruntled with society, but however you guys want to interpret it is fine with me!

I was fine until we got to the episode with Fred.

When I first watched it I was horrified by how big the part of me was that would have done it. Every death would have meant nothing to me if I could have saved her. The only thing that stopped me, is that Fred couldn't have lived with herself.

I don't remember what they do to Knox, but it's not enough.

Hi guys! I saw this prompt on the Buffy subreddit and figured it'd be fun for Angel too :) What is the one episode in a season you cannot live without? And What is one you could live with never seeing again? I'll start:

Season 1 - Five By Five / I Fall to Pieces

Season 2 - Reunion / Happy Anniversary

Season 3 - Lullaby / Double or Nothing

Season 4 - Soulless / Apocalypse, Nowish

Season 5 - Smile Time / Why We Fight

Although I fully understand why Angel would kick Connor out after what he did at the end of season 3, I feel like kicking out Connor was the final nail in turning his son away from him. I mean, Angel went as far as to support Faith after she assaulted Riley/Buffy and tortured Wes, but he let his son be homeless and alone? I don't really like Connor, but it seems like Angel was unfairly harsh with him in this instance, and it starts the whole snowball effect of Connor living elsewhere, which results in Jasdelia moving in with him. Also, how would the story have gone if Angel forgave Connor in 4x1 and let him stay there? Do you think they could've repaired their relationship at all?

No matter how many times I watch this episode I can't help but just break down in tears. Doyle is one of my favourite characters and I wish he was in the show longer. Also with everything that happened with the actor makes watching it so much more heartbreaking for me.

I’m rewatching the episode now and the thought occurred to me, but I couldn’t find the answer with a quick Google search, lol. When the spell takes effect, everyone starts acting really high, but they all seem to be tripping weirdly lol but Cordy gets up, confused, and says “What’s happening? We can’t just… We have to- No!” and steps on the bottle to break it. I think I initially thought she was just confused, but why would she immediately go to stomp on the bottle? Was it Jasmine realizing what was happening and stopping it? What do you think the spell was supposed to do if she didn’t break the bottle?

It hasn’t gotten much of a response on AO3 but I’m pretty happy with the story and would like to hear more thoughts on it. It’s about Angel having actual angel wings and him and Fred sharing romantic moments together. I know they’re a rare pair lol. But if you’re interested you can search for pinkperson on AO3 and the story is called “stronger than before”. I hope someone likes it

Why are I Will Remember You and Hero back to back? I haven't rewatched in years and am on these two and I guess I never paid attention to them being that close together? I'm wrecked 😭

On my millionth rewatch but it’s been at least 6 years since I’ve watched last. I’m working while watching/listening. Season 4 episode 20 Fred and Gunn are in the sewers and talking about killing her professor and Fred says that she DID feel it and it eats her up inside, then follows it up by saying, “I’d take that over being a shell any day.”

And let me tell you I’m in the office holding back tears because how have I NEVER noticed that line before?! Was Illyria’s plot line already being created around this time? It can’t be coincidence right?!

Ugh that hurt me though.

Okay so if you haven't seen this episode, then be warned spoilers is below.

But I just re-watched it for the first time in a while. Holtz iz a pretty bad ass character and I liked how he wrote that letter to Connor and had Angel read it over first. But I have to wonder...

Did Holtz mean for Justine to puncture him in the neck in that exact pattern that looks like a vampire bite?

I know he said "Again" to her. But she could of punctured his neck on the opposite side, or way higher. So then it wouldn't looked like a vamp bite. It was obviously intentional, but why?

Was the letter just a guise to make Angel feel good and to fuck with him?

Great episode regardless!

Why is it green?

I watched the entire Buffy the Vampie Slayer and Angel episodes in the order recommended by this list. But whats next? I know there are comic books named season 8 and season 9 for buffy but are they supposed to coinside with season 5 of angel? And were there other comics that fit in the timeline first? https://josswhedon.blogspot.com/2012/04/buffy-and-angel-episode-viewing-order.html?m=1

The characters name is slipping my mind at the moment, but I believe he was in the first 2 seasons.

A green skinned red eyed demon who was semi regular - not Lorne of course.

Any help? Thank you

ChatGPT totally recognises Connor's thing for sleeping with his dad's girlfriends lol

15. Angel Investigations: Reborn

Setting: Los Angeles, focusing on a new branch of Angel Investigations.

Main Characters:

Connor: Angel’s son, leading the new team.

Illyria: An ancient being offering wisdom and power.

Nina Ash: A werewolf and Connor’s love interest.

Gunn: A seasoned fighter returning to the team.

Story Arc: Connor leads Angel Investigations to help those in need while battling a resurgence of Wolfram & Hart’s influence in LA.

I know that in the comics the blonde girl Angel & Spike see at the club dancing with the Immortal is a Buffy decoy but in the show it was meant to be Buffy but the episode portrays Buffy being in the wrong for even attempting to start a new relationship but when Spike is solid again he's hooking up with Harmony, Angel is dating Nina.

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Gotta be one of the coldest lines ever uttered on Angel. In Deep Down the season 4 premiere, Wesley in one of his most savage moments told Justine as she was slowly sneaking up behind him that she was going to take her bucket that he gave her in the closet he kept her in. Bro was so calm and relaxed when he said it too, like he was completely unconcerned with her.

What are some of your other favorite cold ass lines from the series where a character is cool as a cucumber when they say something bad aas?

The first few ‘monsters’ that Doyle’s visions bring to Angel’s attention are:

1. A vampire (murderous yes, but nothing special in the great scheme of things yet it brought Cordy into the team),
2. A sex changing demon that travels from person to person killing (this is a very challenging demon to face and had been killing for some time so it was a good choice once the team was formed),
3. A person who can separate, but still control, parts of his body (this had been going on for 5 months before our team got involved but the team was pretty busy over the first few episodes so that does explain the delay).

Looking at the first episode vampire: Angel was sent to save an innocent. He failed. He went to stop her killer and just ‘happened’ to arrive while Cordy was being attacked - saving her instead and bringing her into the team.

I know Skip does a whole ‘what could have been thing’ but lets say that this was deliberate from the start, that Cordy needed to be saved so she could join the team and be comfortable with Doyle’s visions by the time that it was her turn etc.

Going further back, Cordy was the unlikeliest kind of person to get involved in fighting against the forces of darkness (at the start of Buffy she was selfish and mean). Yet, she not only aided Buffy and co, she also built a friendship with Angel. Thus, she was well placed to feel comfortable enough with both fighting ‘monsters’ and having a vampire boss. Plus her family’s financial issues meant that she needed the money more then she otherwise would have.

So many things shaped her character from the start and brought her to the point where she was able to be a part of Angel’s team. What do you all think? Can you see other points where the PTB may have influenced her path early on?