I'm on day 4 of my CT quit. I was just brought a feel good shot, an innocent friend not knowing why I'm feeling down and that I was addicted to kratom, I keep staring at it, but haven't touched it yet. I keep going back and forth, "you'll be fine" "it'll make i feel better" etc. Someone plz talk me into pouring it out. Or tell me it'll restart my wd. Anything.

Title speaks for itself. Lurked here on and off for 8 years as you can see in my post history.

To those struggling--keep struggling. You'll make it through. Withrawals don't last for forever, even though it seems like it at the time. We all will walk through the fire at some point. But keep walking. There is no way to run or sprint through.

Today has been a bleh day, as life keeps coming at me, and my 13 year relationship (with a child) is on thin ice. Work is about to end--but for anyone who saw my other posts--I'm still here. I'm hoping to stick around and not hide in the shadows as I've done for so long.

Keep fighting. Get off the shit before over a decade goes by and people you talk to say stuff like "Oh my god! You're STILL taking that stuff?"

Thanks for everyone who commented under my last post. I’m gonna visit the dr tomorrow(week 3 ct haven’t slept 5 hours total since quitting) …I was considering gabapentin if I can get it prescribed, but I saw mixed comments regarding becoming dependent on it (quickly) and there being better, less addictive options.

I’ve tried everything otc - magnesium glycinate, melatonin, you name it. Out of the prescription meds, I’ve read about gabapentin, trazadone, seroquel and a few more but those are the main ones. Out of the big 3 I guess, which one would be least likely to actually cause dependence and then inevitably addiction? I really want to sleep but I don’t wanna trade one addiction for another.

Anyone have experience with Trazadone or seroquel (or anything else) besides gabapentin or ambien for that matter ? I kinda get the gist of gaba and ambien being more of a “last resort” so maybe trying to see other prescription meds that work just as well minus the addictive properties. Nothing otc has worked for me :/ thanks y’all

I've decided to do a taper. Started using it 7 years ago to help with heroin cravings and just I think I'm ready to stop. Last 3 days Ive had 8g at 8am 10g at 2:30pm 10g at 9pm Which is greatly reduced from what I was doing before. Basically half the day just before doses I'm having mild withdrawals and soon I'll start slowly reducing the amount I'm taking

Just curious on advice/supplements that could maybe help

Idk if that’s what it is, but I’ve had so many freaking highs and lows these past 69 days of CT. It’s fucking wild.

I go from perfect peace and harmony with the world to worrying about losing it all.

My fiancée is going through post partum depression so it’s really hard for me to be swinging from super supportive to woe is me.

It’s just a lot to carry right now. But I’m just holding onto this CT for dear life because I know it’s gonna get better.

I know if I do kratom all my old problems are gonna come crashing back down.

And I know this empathy and being scared of loss is real but also fake. Real that I have real actual love and it’s not drugs talking but fake and scary because I know this fear is also my brain trying to regulate itself again.

Idk , I’m in the fucking pink tornado and I don’t know what to do but I do know that I’m gonna stay sober and keep moving forward but fucking fuck man is all I can say

This is the third time I want to quit and be done with this horrific substance. I take one Vivazen shot a day. At night time, then I stay up till like 4 in the morning. I feel like i’m to deep in the addiction. I’ve let myself go back for the third time, i’m ashamed of myself. I hate myself. I’ve wasted time in life. I know when it gets bad, I isolate myself, stop doing things I love, stop talking to friends and family. I get up go to work and then come home and self medicate.

I’m honestly scared of withdrawal, that’s what is keeping me from stopping. The last time I quit, it wasn’t that bad, but the first time was pure hell. I suffer from depression and it has gotten so bad and that when I know I need to QUIT. It gets bad to the point of not wanting to be on this Earth at all, like that would make it so much easier.

This all started after I broke my ankle in three different places and had three surgeries. I used it for pain and then it just unravels from there.

I feel stuck and scared to quit. I NEED ADVICE, motivation anything at this point.

26F.

Still anxious a bit. Restless legs still going on. Curious when the rest will subside

I relapsed last fall and decided finally at Christmas I was done at new years. Kratom wasn't my only bad habit (excessive energy drinks, vaping, smoking, too much soda) I actually kicked everything but smoking in the last 30 days. I'll be dealing with that soon enough though.

Withdrawals were agony city all around, we all know the symptoms and I had every stinking one of them cranked up to 11 😬 I was a 60-75g a day user. It was pretty bad and I just couldn't take it anymore. All the money I spent on it, what it was doing to me, going through withdrawals when I couldn't get it and had to still get my ass to work. It was absolute misery I wouldn't wish on the devil himself.

Anyways, where I'm at after a month. I have some good days sprinkled in with a lot of bad ones too. My emotions and sense of humor came back though. My energy is still relatively low but I'm not pinned to the couch anymore. I'm managing to do the things I need to do on a daily basis, well mostly anyways even though I have like no desire to really do a whole lot otherwise. I'm getting brain and muscle zaps still pretty bad at times and sometimes I have to lay down because of it. My stomach has been a HOT MESS that I feel like is only improving in increments at a time. It can also get very painful on the left/front left side (usually in the afternoon for some reason) that it definitely makes me wince. My gut is probably destroyed but I'm trying not to think about it.

I'm chugging along no matter what though! Do you fellow quitters have any tips or advice on medicines, vitamins, or anything in general that might get me over the last hump? Thanks a bunch 👍

The most in your face drug then just never works the same ever again. I hate it, don't even want to take it, but I still do anyways. Luckily I'm only a week in of addiction. This stuff needs to go though. I use kratom for my fibromyalgia and depression and never abuse it, but this s*** is a whole different breed. Luckily I stopped taking it and threw them in the toilet before it got worse for no reason. These companies are so nice to want to help get you 7oh but never tell you the issues that arise. Maybe some people can benefit from them if they don't abuse, but I didn't see how with tolerance increasing as fast as it does. I feel dumb, I knew it was coming. I failed, but at least I'm learning.

This addiction has me down to tears crying as I was afraid I was getting into my old opiate addict past life. All the bad memories started to haunt me. I don't want that for you guys either.

Now I'm taking Kratom just not to withdrawal instead of being medicated 🤦

I had my first dream where this really hot girl at a vape shop said “They made Kratom illegal so I can’t sell it to you, but I can give it to you for free” And she handed me a huge plate of my favorite brand Opia. I took the plate, and then even in the dream remembered I was clean and didn’t need that shit and threw it away. I still woke up feeling weird though. Anyone else have using dreams?

I was drinking 100mg extracts x3 every day. Switched to powder to taper off that didn't really work but I started taking 10g of powder in the morning and in the afternoon then when I ran out of powder I took 2mg suboxone when I started to feel wd. Didn't take anything the next day then the day after that another 2mg suboxone and then I quit and I feel completely normal no PAWs or anything. Just wanted to share that it really helped me and now I'm kratom free 💕

According to a lot of science the best way to set yourself up for success at bedtime is to as close to waking up you can. Stare toward the sun for 20 minutes it’s supposed to reset your circadian rhythms. Next up roseram is a sleep aid that resets your melatonin and once it’s reset you don’t need to keep taking it . That’s in part how I got off trazadone last year and also didn’t have issues w sleep when I did my ct.

So I don’t know if it’s that my life is just better than it was in January or it’s just that I’ve had a month and a half off Kratom or is it the energy work I’m doing but I feel happy again. I almost didn’t recognize the feeling and then I was like … wait , I’m happy. I’m like really really happy. For me personally whether or not I’m working at a place I love and making at least decent money and whether or not I have a movie either happening or coming out can really make or break my entire mood and perception.

But I had some amazing moments last year too and the Kratom blocked me from really experiencing them I guess. I just noticed that there’s a tangerine tree in the back of my yard (granted to just moved here in December ) but I guess I was too busy buying Kratom and laying there to notice at that time .

This morning I feel guilty and nervous because I didnt have the best day at work and I’m a couple months late on a writing project. But I also think it’s just that I’m so used to feeling guilty from all things related to Kratom that it’s just a gut reaction. I have nothing to feel guilty about. I’m just sitting here in my appartment writing and doing laundry. But it’s there and I know that why.

Guilt was just such an unwelcome companion during what now feels like the whole Kratom experience.

The baby’s heart stopped at 8 weeks, it was confirmed on an ultrasound today. I didn’t expect it.

I used kratom (12 grams a night for a year) before getting pregnant and tapered very very quickly in about one week after I found out. I went through some very uncomfortable withdrawals where I wanted to punch the wall, my heart would beat out of my chest and I wouldn’t sleep for a week. I NEVER ever expected to experience these kinds of withdrawals, cause I totally believed the whole ‘it’s like coffee’ thing.

Exactly during my CT week, the baby stopped growing. I obviously don’t know for sure if it had any impact or if it would’ve happened either way. We simply don’t know and I’m really trying my hardest not to feel guilty.

What I do know is that I won’t touch the stuff ever again. I’ll take it as a huge warning for our next tries at having a baby.

Hey everyone,

Took my last feel free shot yesterday and decided I was done being a slave to this stuff.

I work from home and live 200 ft from a gas station where I usually sneak off around midday to satisfy my cravings.

Here's my plan to avoid relapse and breaking this promise to myself.

- Scheduling out my day

I have everything scheduled out for today: gym, client calls, lunch, walk, etc... Regimenting my tasks as much as I can

- Prayer when a craving pops up

I know not everyone is religious but prayer helps to center me and keep me fromgiving into temptation. An equivalent to breathwork and meditation

- Eating GOOD food.

Planned out my meals which are healthy, delicious, and packed with the nutrients I need. Will help me to look forward to something today.

- Night time routine

I know tonights sleep will likely suck. But I'm going to do as much as I can to get a few hours in. No phone before bed/redlight + stretching and reading should help

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I know today won't be easy but it's worth it. Taking this minute by minute.

Will see you all tomorrow for day 2.

God bless and stay strong! You got this!

Hi, I'm not even sure why I'm writing this, but I'm on my day 2.

I've really realized that I have a real issue with Kratom and that I want to quit sometime March 2024. I have never been on more than 7-8 gpd, for 2-3 years maybe. Since then I have withdrawed 5+ times, but for some reason I have always returned to it.

Some cases were intentional and some not, like a vacation - I've always had certain boundaries that I respected, like workplace (I mostly work from home though), vacations etc. Another reason, why I had not been motivated enough to quit for good, was that I haven't been too unwell on Kratom - especially since I switched to a less potent type with fewer side effects sometime in June.

Now to the present, I've forced myself into a situation when I can't do other than quit for good. I'm on an Erasmus mobility abroad as a PhD student for 4 months in a country I couldn't get it even if I went crazy since it's banned here.

I know far too well what are these acute withdrawals like - what's weird is that I don't get RLS, but this weird chest heaviness, bordering with pain, peaking around the sleeptime in lying position. However, which is also what's resonating with me the most when I look at this group, is the feeling of guilt. I have quite a good life, objectively, and understanding partner - I told her last year several times March-May, but she thinks I had already quit then - no blame on her side, rather my guilt. I've been keeping it in mind, thinking that everything will be fine when I really quit for good, but I don't know.

I had been getting for-no-reason anxiety even before Kratom, I don't really know what's beyond this, and if I will finally feel at least somewhat fulfilled once I pass two or three weeks. What's also weird, is that after I passed the acute phase last time, I tried to observe, and I found out that it's not too different from my state of mind on Kratom - like I've been using it just to feel normal - there was something missing still and I went back to tapering and then something like sickness "made me" cut on that taper.

The acutes apparently even amplify the feeling of guilt, what have I done with my recent last few years, and what is to come, even though I'm in quite a good spot right now. That about closes it. It's good the weekend is ahead - the acutes should begin to pass on Sunday.

Might be motivating to hear from some of you, who are a bit further at the moment: What makes you happy these days, you couldn't enjoy before you quit, or you can enjoy again after some phase comes to pass?

I cracked after 4 days off. I had very minimal withdrawls and drank a can of mitra 9 with 45 mg of mit. I woke up the next day feeling normal. No pool of sweat or fatigue. I did sleep in a little because it was extremely difficult to fall asleep. Will I go back into withdrawls or will i be okay? Tapered down to 45mg then jumped monday.

I started using Kratom Extracts back in September of 2024. Everything seemed fine until I started these 7ohm tabs. Now I feel like how I felt when I was addicted to Percocet (which I went to rehab for). I keep trying to quit by lowering my dose but sometimes these mental depression is so strong I have to redose much sooner than I wanted. I can hold out for a couple hours and then I start getting lost in my thought. I have been doing better in terms of lowering my dosage but I really want to quit this for good i can’t believe how similar this is to OxyContin and how it’s this easy to obtain. I regret picking it up and don’t have anybody I can talk to about this because I’ve been keeping it so secretive…I’m ashamed of myself…always acting happy but really fighting this battle in my head. No matter what I tell myself or what I do whether it’s working or traveling or doing anything I can’t distract myself. I’ve considered going back onto harder stimulants due to them having a less intense and easier to manage withdrawal. I’m lost man…I would really love to go to treatment again but at this point in my life that’s just not an option anymore.

Just wanted to share this and write it out. On day 20 of my taper and overall I have been feeling quite good. Was at roughly 20 GPD and tapered down to 12 for about a week, this cut was the hardest so far. Periodic headaches and would wake up at night with aches in my arms essentially. Was still able to get back to sleep though and get 7-8 hours per night. Went down to 6 GPD for another week, roughly the same in the beginning but symptoms decreased by end of that week. Now I have been hovering around 3/4 GPD and I am going to jump off Sunday.

Don't have anymore for past then, threw out the stash I had, and I will be honest it is a bit scary thinking about this and being completely off. Puts into perspective just what addiction can do to you. I have fears coming back up that without it will I just be not the same. I know these are just voices in my head, so just going to do what I can to push past them.

Best of luck to everyone on their own journeys. I visit this sub every day and will continue to. I never knew when I started this stuff what it could lead to.

Ok so… day 8! Sleep is still nonexistent (maybe 1.5 hours broken into minutes here and there) body temperature regulation is feeling much more normal today (not freezing to death internally but a little chilly) I was in my car last night approaching a red light and the sun was going down and I felt a feeling I haven’t felt since I was probably in my 20s! Like as if my mind and body said “hey remember when the sunset was beautiful and you realized how it felt to be connected to this earth and the people on it?” It almost felt like I was a teenager and the sun was going down and I was preparing to do something fun like go to the movies with my best friends or to the skating rink or just hangout on the block. In the middle of all this suck, when these moments pop up (and they will) hang on to it for a second and let yourself feel it!! This is real!! You are real!! Feel your feelings they have been talking to you for a long time you just couldn’t hear them because they were buried under that mind prison!! We can do this!!

I couldn’t sleep at all from day 7-11. Before that I slept very poorly as well.

Felt like death and that there is no hope for a better future.

Now that I could sleep again last night I feel soooooo much better. Day & night difference.

It does get better. Don’t let this shitty plant steal your happiness and potential.

If you want to give up, please don’t. Relief from the pain is maybe just one more day away.

I’m 3 weeks ct and have slept 4 hours total. I tried pushing my body to just “embrace” the pain but I can’t live like this another week even. Anyone have gabapentin experience? Would taking it 3 weeks in be worth it? Also for how long should I be taking til I get off

I work a back office job for a utility company. March 2020, we get the announcement we are going to be working from home for the next two weeks. I’ve always dabbled in drugs, and definitely had issues with opiates, but my life and job were going great.

When we first were sent home, I started drinking more, using drugs more etc. I had dabbled in Kratom for years, but never was addicted to it. Then I found some extract shots at the head shop and it was game over. My addiction spiraled, I welcomed the birth of two kids, and I climbed up the ladder at work . Those weeks turned into months and turned into years. I’m still working from home to this day

By 2024 all the positives of the use were a distant memory. I was getting intense panic attacks, spent multiple nights in the hospitals thinking I was having a heart attack, lost all motivation at work, and realized I had a 4 year old that I was never actually sober / there for mentally.

On Dec 27th I took suboxone, took it until Jan 2 lowering my usage each day (I count Jan 2 as my quit date)

The last 30 days have been tough, but mentally I’m sharper. I’ve had next to zero anxiety since about day 17. Still trying to get all the motivation back but I know that takes time

The mental part has been harder than physical, I think the acutes are always blown up more in your head. Which makes it harder and harder to quit

Anyways, I had to get some of my thoughts in writing. Good luck to all of you and thanks for the support in this group

And then I am done. I am so sick of this. My guts are in constant pain. I am so constipated all the time. I'm not eating enough food because I'm always backed up with green sludge. My face is drawn and wrinkly and dried out. I'm always dehydrated.

I've tried to quit so many times and keep giving up but here we go again. I'm an addict to the core, but I quit alcohol 8 years ago. So I know I can do this. I've been taking this for 18 months and I take about 15g a day in 5 servings.

I CANNOT TAPER.
Literally every single time I say I'm tapering my brain like, panics and I end up taking MORE. I have no self control and can't do it.

So I have to CT. I do have gabapentin and Ativan that I was prescribed for anxiety. I also take Propanolol for BP and I can take more of that if I need to.

I'm a stay at home Mom so I need to be able to function so at least the gabapentin should help me sleep.

I know from experience that whole body restless legs and depression are my worst symptom.

I need to remind myself that the depression ISN'T REAL.
Because I'm not depressed. My life is great and I'm happy, so it's gonna be the addiction lying.

Someone remind me of that in a couple weeks.

I'm tempted to dump some of my bag to start sooner. I'm so sick of this.

Anyway, SO HAPPY to find this group.

I hope to meet some people to be on this journey with.

I need help guys. I cannot kick my kratom shot addiction. i go a few days sober but always comeback. If there someone who had to kick the shot addiction can you please DM me and tell me how you did it and what tips you can give?

This is a small window of people, but if anyone has experience with quitting Kratom while having UC, I’d love to hear your experience. I’m on day 11 of no Kratom and my digestive system is WHACK. I know this is to be expected, especially with UC, but would like some insight as to how long this may have lasted for others? Praying this isn’t kicking me into a flare. Thanks!

Today is day 13.5, and it has been the first day that my whole body hasn't felt like lead. I thought I was doing 20-30g, but I actually weighed what I was taking and it was closer to 40+g daily for close to 5 years. I feel like it is finally starting to leave my system. Just wondering what everyone else has experienced? I know the mental part is an entirely different ballgame, but starting to feel the physical weight lifting at two weeks is a massive milestone. Still fatigued, but not like I am in chains for the first time in this process!

I’ve been on a huge rabbit whole with dopamine and it’s HIGHLY a relevant to kratom addiction. In fact the withdrawals and shittinees you feel is the sling shot of the dopamine in the opposite direction to restore balance. The good news is you can mitigate it by doing dopamine balancing things.

Dopamine also naturally reduces at night and it’s why you wake up with RLS.

Irish Sea moss — huge for many many brain and guy functions. Look it up and because of that can help support dopamine restoration. It’s recommended for preventing Parkinson’s which is a dopamine deficient disease. The first day I took this is when I woke up with almost no leg pains. To me the RLS and aches is the worst part. I don’t know why.

Shilajit WITH ashwghanda. Research it. Showed dopamine and other brain function restoration.

Sunlight in the morning triggers dopamine.

Sleep. Hard one for quitters. But take sleep aids. And lucid resting helps too.

Baths with Epsom salt.

Magnesium for bones.

Look up the vitamin c protocol.

Movement. Any movement. Walk. Exercise. Dance. Anything.

Nature. Earthing restores dopamine.

Focus on dopamine restoration. The withdrawals will be the dopamine reset trying to happen. Extreme kratom gives extreme dopamine and the brain literally sling shots in the other direction restore balance s and that is when we are in the pits of despair. M

Just looking for recommendations on dosing to curb initial withdrawal. I have Calm brand magnesium, 1500mg lipsomal vit C, and gaba

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