In 12 weeks I have:

• Lost 42 lbs (was lazy AF and ate and drank like trash when on K)

• Saved/not spent ~$1,200

• Actually had sex multiple times lol and motivated to do so. Sex drive went into the negative while using.

• Reconnected with my wife in so many ways.

• Reconnected with family both in person and now actually respond to texts the same day, not 2 months later...

• Reconnected with the great outdoors. Literally would use any excuse to avoid a weekend hike or camping just so I could use and sit around like every other weekend. Have gone hiking the last 3 weekends in a row and am loving it.

• Happy to go out and see friends and go to weddings. For so long I was ashamed and didn't want to see people I hadn't seen for years. Avoidance and isolation had become the norm.

• Gotten around to buying little things that I had put off for years. My bath towels were mildewy and gross...wallet hanging on by a thread...basically wore the same clothes to work every other day...now I have new nice things and it feels good to be treating myself a bit.

• Now dealing with my acne which got terrible the last 2 years. It has gotten so much better with treatment.

• Dealing with alcohol use. Not terrible, but more than I would like. Starting naltrexone + Sinclair Method (finally can now that I'm off K - otherwise a very bad combo - precipitated WDs and all). I'm actually trying to make progress in every area of my life, as I did before K, rather than wallowing and using K to forget about things.

• Have way more energy.

• Survived a GD FLOOD from Hurricane Helene here in Asheville and I thrived through it. Can't imagine if I had been using during it.

In short, getting shit done and feeling great. K might pop into my head once every couple weeks and I'm like nooo fuckin way I'm giving this dream life up for that hellhole ever again. I also know from experience "just one time" is a GD lie. Never ever again. No thanks.

Quick history: used in total about 10 years. First 5 maybe 1-3x a week. Last 5 years DAILY and I mean I only took maybe 10 days off in total in those 5 years and mostly from covid. The longest I ever could get off was 4 days in 2021. Then I broke down to "just one time"...3 years later I finally broke free. Wish I had a better tip, but honestly I left the country for a week for a wedding and had little choice, so I saw it as an opportunity and so glad I did. If you are using and ever go on a trip, see it as an opportunity to break free. Even if just a weekend trip, throw your last bottle away (don't use it!) and then just ride it out. You'll look back and be glad you did. The trip might even suck because of it, but it is temporary. Freedom is lasting.

Hey I am on kratom for about 8 months now. I want to quit but cant because of the withdrawal symptoms, my body tempeature always go up when I get a little bit stressed and start sweating to the point where my shirt is all wet. This all never happened to me when I was off kratom. I started noticing this symptoms like 3 months ago so it wasnt instantly when I started using it. I am on 12g per day and redosing 3 times. I am blonde hair and my skin is white as shit so when my body temperature goes up my face get all red or when I am in bit stress happenes the same thing. Do you have any tips for how to stop even with this symptoms or how to lower them somehow? I’ll appreciate any help or tip from you guys. stay safe.

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In the beginning of my Kratom use it made me feel like I was better at socializing with my family, friends and new people. I felt no anxiety and felt like I was connecting with people on a deeper level.

It also made me enjoy my hobbies a lot more and motivated me to work on them daily and for extended periods of time. The euphoria made me hyper-engaged in them and I got even more of a dopamine hit from my hobbies when I accomplished something while on Kratom.

But as we all know, after the honeymoon phase with Kratom, all that begins to fade. I slowly started to isolate, and became less capable of socializing with new people or even close friends. It even put a damper on my ability to clearly convey or articulte myself in social settings.

It also made me abandon really good friendships that I dearly miss because the dark veil of Kratom made me complacent and content without connecting with close friends or new people regularly. I actually begun to hate socializing with people in general at the end of my 4 year addiction to Kratom.

Now, I'm a little over month clean CT from Kratom and I'm still going through the healing process. Feeling some anhedonia and depression but feeling gradually better each day. This is the 1st time since I was 16 ( now 35) that I'll be completely sober without any substances.

Although I'm clean from Kratom and all other drugs, I'm still struggling to reconnect with friends and socialize. I even struggle to sometimes get on social media to make a post like this or engage in general.

This also goes for my hobbies as well. I still feel blah and it's hard to get back to the hobbies I use to enjoy.

With all that said, I'd really love to persue and enjoy these things again. So I'm curious - How long did it take you after Kratom to reconnect socially and enjoy things you once were able to enjoy? Do you all have any tips or things that helped get back to what life use to be before Kratom sucked it all away?

I couldn’t bring myself to come out as “relapsed” at my home group. Couldn’t bring myself to show up at all tbh.

BUT I did call an old timer I look up to who has relapses as part of their story.

I feel better, having gotten it off my chest. I’m getting ready to call a few more guys. But I was fearful of the call to do 90 in 90, and that’s exactly the expectation thrust in my direction.

I did this thing SO by the book for 3.5 years, that my recovery circle is rather old school. But I just don’t think I can live up to what the prescribed path forward, albeit with the best intentions, will be.

Idk what else to say here. I’m not even sure how I feel.

I know I’m resolute in my decision to never touch this plant again. I know I’m prepared to go through whatever I have to go through for however I have to go through it to have my brain chemistry normalize. I know my main focus when I’m not working 60 hours a week is being here to help my wife with our baby, and I can’t be in two places at once.

Do you think the initial jumps down are tougher? Or do you think it gets harder the lower your dose gets? Also I have no one to tell this to, but I’m down to 21grams today. I started this at 75+, sometimes I’m sure over 100 but I never tracked very well so who knows. I’m proud I’m down so much but I also realize this is the kind of dose a lot of people start their taper at. I don’t hate kratom, I don’t resent it, in a way it helped me and it made it possible for me to get off suboxone and keep me off street drugs. But it’s time for me to get off it again. My dosage got too high, and ironically I started feeling better when I adjusted to a lower dose. I feel like the first few days tapering sucked majorly, but it’s not terrible right now. The only thing that blows is I wake up pretty uncomfortable most days. I also dose kind of weirdly and I think that’s causing me to go into withdrawals faster. I put my kratom in a bottle and sip on it throughout the day. I know some people say many small doses is better but I don’t feel like it’s working in my favor. Anyways, I just kind of want to share my progress and see if anyone has advice for me.

Where do I start? 6 months ago I started K for the first time. I loved it initially, the energy I got, the uplift in my emotions - I felt like I was riding cloud nine. (For context all K referred in this post is in “extract” form). I started with weaker extracts and after 2 months I was taking the purple MIT shots twice a day. One day while purchasing my K for the day the store clerk explained he had a new product (EDP Kratom shot - The one with the bee on it!) I said why not and gave it a go, it was history from there. What started of as half shot dose spiraled into 7-8 full bottles daily. So bad to the point I could only sleep 1.5 hours at a time before I would be woken up with restless leg, sweats, nausea, loose stools and crippling anxiety. When I first started K I was uneducated in the sense that you could actually get addicted to the point of physical withdrawal symptoms. I found out I was at that point when I couldn’t afford to buy any due to low funds and literally experienced what I consider one of the worst things I have been through… Withdrawal. I realized I had to dose K in my system every 2 hours, if I didn’t the withdrawal would commence. Fast forward 2 weeks ago, I decided to get some help and ended up getting Sub Films to get off K. I know some say that’s like jumping from one fire into another but for me it was “THEE” best choice for me. I ended up getting a second job just to pay for K addiction and that money still wasn’t enough to continue to buy it to keep the withdrawals away. I was asking family, friends and even people I haven’t spoken to in years for an extra $20 dollars just so I can buy another bottle. I had no money with 2 jobs was extremely angry and basically just a shell of my former self. Me getting help to get off of K was the best thing that happened to me all 2024. I know there is a potential to become addicted to the films of I stop taking them and I will certainly deal with that when the time comes. But for now I’m free from the grip of K. Money wise and physically. I’m taking my meds per doctors instruction and I can say I’m clear headed for the first time in a long time. I actually want to get out of the house and be social again. Don’t get me wrong, I miss that elevated feeling and I don’t think that the yearning for the “buzz” will go away for a while.. but to me, I’d rather deal with that then the physical pain I felt without K in my system. I can actually sleep 5-6 hours a night straight through…

For context, I tried many many many times to taper down, for me it wasn’t effective. I would take less only to take next dose sooner and more often more than what I had allotted myself.

I’m taking it one day at a time and I am aware it’s from one substance to another… but I feel alive for the first time in a long time. I don’t get a buzz from the films but I also don’t crave K and that is more than enough for me. I filled up my gas tank for the first in 4 months this past week because I wasn’t spending $75+ DAILY.

It going to be a journey but I’m optimistic, everyone is different and some may not agree with how I am helping myself but for me it saved me in a sense.

If you ever struggled with K, specially with extracts or EDP, consider ALL treatment options. You got this! You’re not alone in feeling truly horrible without K.

I’m optimistic & hopeful. The ride is far from over but I’m willing to continue onward til I’m fully off of all substances.

Best Wishes Guys.

I have 3 capsules left. I’ll take them at some point tomorrow…maybe not, maybe I’ll just bottle them.

I’ve told myself about 20 times “this is the last bottle. When it’s gone I quit for good” but I never stick to it! I just lie to myself. 😭 My excuses for getting another bottle are just never fucking ending!

I last dosed at about 5:30pm today 10/30/2024. I want tomorrow to be my ACTUAL Day 1. I’ve done this many times and I know I can do it. I don’t know when I turned so damn weak! 😭

Anybody want to share some inspiration, encouragement, ideas, or personal experiences to help keep me from changing my mind?! Thank you 🙏🏼

Well that was easy. Started up again for the last month. I’m feeling pretty normal thanks to a new script of Prozac. Kratom definitely has weird effects on the body, like I feel great without taking all those damn pills this morning. Still napped, still ate. It does help to have an emergency .5 mg alprazolam. Day two is going to be the teller since I return to work in the afternoon for the next 3 days then I’m off. The trick will be staying distracted enough until I actually start craving it again. Will post again cause it seems to help

Well technically in one hour lol Wednesday 10/24/24 9:00pm was the last vivazen shot I took (averaging 6-8 per day for over a year, the extra strength). My intention was to taper with capsules, took six the following morning and for whatever reason just never took them again. Currently just finished up with an elliptical exercise (not able to quite do my normal length but knocked out 20 hard minutes on there) and typing this before I go sit in the sauna. Wishing everyone out there the best, this is not easy, but it’s starting to feel doable. RLS is still there but not the beast it has been, the insomnia is my true battle -_- I’m already not the best person with little sleep, throw in the mood swings from this and ugh, but we march forward. Next check in will be on day 10 CT!

So I stopped taking any kratom in about mid August. I was taking between 5-10g a day (this is a guess). I took it for about 2 years.

I am weirdly sensitive to any medication.

The past two weeks have been really difficult. I'm anxious all the time, to the point that it's hard to think and I can barely focus on tasks. I wasn't like this prior to taking the kratom, so I'm confused as to what it can be. Im assuming it's some kind of withdrawal effects.

Id hate to go back to taking it just to make the anxiety go away. Withdrawals for me were pretty hard, and the RLS just went away completely about 3 weeks ago. If i start taking it again, I'll feel like i wasted all that. But I'm feeling like I'm losing my mind and just want relief.

I just wanted to ask if others have felt the same, if they have advice, and when this will go away....

Thanks

I'm writing this to anyone who needs to hear it - I was on kratom for about 18 mths, got addicted after having it in Asia, usual trajectory - afternoon pick me up soon became a midday kick start then finally a morning go to = eventually felt like I couldn't do anything without a teaspoon, not even play with my daughter which was heartbreaking. I was only on small doses, probs max 5-6mg a day but still it had me. Fortunately, I live in a country where it's illegal so I had no choice but to kick it. I realised this with about two weeks supply left and decided to taper - I went down very gradually, two teaspoons became one then half then a quarter and also increased intervals and I am telling you IT GODDAM WORKS. I also recommend exercise and other serotonin/dopamine boosting activities. The reward systems in your brain will reset. I promise. You will stop associating it as a reward and motivator. I don't envy anyone who as to do it CT but I believe you truly can, and this method worked for me. Godspeed.

1. Health
2. Sanity
3. Anxiety
4. Panic attacks
5. Nausea
6. Trigger to use other drugs
7. Keeps you away from a 12 step program
8. Inability to communicate with people
9. Isolation
10. Numbs you out
11. MONEY/Expensive
12. Skipping meals
13. Sneaking/hiding
14. Lying
15. Can be hard to obtain or bunk
16. Exhausting
17. Messy
18. Heavy metals/contaminates
19. Possible Ban at any given time
20. Blocks the spirit of the Light

Absolutely crawling out of my skin. These withdrawls after using for ten years straight 30+ g a day are worse than when I checked myself into detox and was deep enough to have the beginnings of DELIRIUM TREMENS. FUCKING horrible bro. Was deep enough into booze that I had to be medicated to come off. 3 days and I was begging for some burger king. Went home and fell right asleep. Its like rls is the only horrible symptom from the start. Not even bored really. This would be a breeze if I didn't need to wake my love up with bedtime bicycle kicks and endless flexing. Its all in my legs too. The feeling reminds me of the feeling that the antipsychotic I used to be on gave me and maybe even worse!!

I quit kratom about two months ago. I used to use it atleast once a day, sometimes twice a day and several grams at a time, to combat the afternoon slump or as a pre-workout or both during the day. Sometimes I would use it before an event to feel more relaxed and energetic as well or before a long car ride. I'm now dealing with even worse fatigue for months now that I am having a tough time getting used to and my productivity has gone down the toilet in the afternoons and evenings. I'm also feeling a lot more depressed and it's so difficult to get used to this. I'm saying and feeling very depressed and fatigue, it seems like worse than before I used kratom to feel better. Any advice or experiences with these symptoms? And even after such a long time maybe too?

I’m tapering from Kratom, started at around 50g, today, I’m down to 7g. It’s getting increasingly difficult and Im eating so much of it.. it’s all I want, I’ll have it for meals. I know it’s making tapering a lot harder than it needs to be, it’s an energy siphon. Normally, I’m pretty healthy, but I feel like a robotic automaton, driving to the coffee shop for another pastry. Is this common? Does anybody have any advice in this? Thank you!

I was trying to taper but it was too easy to go back. Evening before last i took 11 grams after taking 3 that afternoon. Been taking it for years but that 10 is usually on the higher dose for me. I began to feel discomfort in my chest and then pain. Unbearable at times, vary hard to sleep. Went to the doc today and got a lab and ct scan for digestion issues. No results on the ct scan yet, lab was fine. I guess its the kratom turning on me and maybe some psychosomatic issues but they're unbearable. I was screaming and pleading today. I can't believe how sensitive I am to pain. I want to die. Took an old benzo and didn't seem to do anything. Took 3 grams and a shower and slept for an hour. Now it's coming back. Why couldn't I just have weened properly? Hope there's still a chance. New batch isn't coming for a week. Can I still get away with it? Wish we had a tub, maybe I'll try another shower. Fuck this is scary and pathetic.

It’s only been 6 hours sense my last dose and it’s my final dose. My dr refused comfort meds and said if it’s that much of a problem to quit to go to a treatment center. My wife is pregnant and we cannot afford to have me go to treatment. Any suggestions?

Hey everyone, been trailing this sub for a while and grateful for all the suggestions.

I’m a recovering alcoholic (8months alcohol free) that found these new brews (non alcoholic / no cannabis) drinks over the summer and didn’t think anything of it until I was killing 12+ a day. Sometimes more in a 24 hour period. I’ve gone without them for a day or two at a time when I’ve been on trips (always with terrible sleep, restless legs, agitation, etc) and always came back intending just to have a few and to let the time away lower my tolerance. That did not work.

My plan right now is to keep it under 3 right now for a few days, then two, then one or none.

Last nights sleep was probably the worst so far even with sleep meds. Gonna try with melatonin tonight instead of trazadone. I have some gapapentin left over from my alcohol detox so may take some of that if it helps with the agitation part.

I’m proud of my 8 months from alcohol and frustrated I let this start derailing me.

Open to any and all suggestions.

Peace & love

For the past 5 months I was taking 1 kratom shot a day and a couple weeks ago I decided to start a taper, which I stopped using the shots/extracts and moved on to capsules to do so. Initially I was taking way less than I should have been, so I brought it up to 17 capsules a day (divided up throughout the day) and then would take off a capsule each day. The withdrawals were pretty apparent through the whole taper process because of how fast I was going, but I just wanted to get off this stuff as soon as possible. Today I would have allowed myself 3 capsules but decided to go without and it’s almost been 24 hours since my last dose and I’m feeling okay, not great, but not as bad as my initial taper. This is also not my first time quitting kratom but I was off it for a while and I regrettably started using it again 5 months ago to quit alcohol. I hope this will be the last time 🙏

Every day has dragged, but I'm OK with that because I've got through them. Today I felt a tiny bit better physically, though my anxiety was really high because I had a dental appointment, and I have to have gas & air for that as I'm phobic. I didn't want to go, I didn't want to even go out, but I drove myself there alone on purpose, cranked up the music on the way, and made it through my appointment with little stress. I got home absolutely exhausted like I'd run 10k! That surprised me I can tell you! But I did it, and I'm so glad I didn't give in and cancel the appointment, or reach for powdered help. We can do this my friends, we absolutely have the power!

I just wanted to come on here and show my appreciation to this group.You know when someone knows the feeling of addiction you’re less likely to judge. I been around addiction since 6th grade with my parents but they were on meth, bath salts etc. I have made my fair share of mistakes in life and i eventually got on kratom for about a year, i’ve already posted one time so i’m not going to go into detail but anyways i CT 8 days ago and ended up posting about it and had many people give me advice and motivation and man it feels good when you have people to talk to. That is what we need in this world not just on kratom but life in general. We are all in this together you know and struggle everyday whether it be kratom or just general things. So thank you all who all that give advice and motivation to people it helps more than you know and I will do the same. Anyways update on day 8 CT feel a lot better today, yesterday was dark thoughts but was expected but yeah today feel a lot better. Everyone that reads this Stay strong control your thoughts and you can control your addiction.

10 months kratom free! There is light at the end of the tunnel don’t give up on yourself it will be so so so worth it! Mind body and spirit feel better than ever abd my bank account also!

Just posting my thoughts and seeing what others think. I posted a little more than a week ago about my “adventures”: several years on 8-10GPD plain leaf, getting sucked into 7oh for several months, trying to switch back to leaf to taper but being incredibly uncomfortable. Then doing a 5-day rapid sub taper (8mg total over the entire 5 days). I avoided a lot of the physical stuff but was only sleeping like 2hr a night and felt incredible anxiety, anhedonia and depression.

I made it 7 days feeling like this and relapsed on 7oh. I took a total of 150mg of 7oh over the course of 48hrs. I’m now 6 hours from my last dose of 15mg and starting to feel it a bit.

Here’s the thing: when I relapsed, I didn’t get “high” at all. Sure, the depression and anhedonia and boredom was lifted but everything else was the same to be honest. I’m thinking I just need to go into this little setback with the mindset that while I’m going to have some physical symptoms, there’s no reason to let the psychological symptoms control me. Nothing in my life is different. Yes, I messed up some stuff with my wife but that can be fixed with time and trust.

Yes, I set my sleep back again and that’ll take several days to get back to where I was, but who cares? I need to man the eff up, accept that I had a little slip and keep going on the same path. I can’t let this control me. I got clean for a very bad H habit in 2016 and had several good solid years before getting caught up in K. Another week from now I’ll be 90% on my way to where I was before when I had several years completely clean.

I haven't had the time to make an update until now. I can't believe I've made it this far. Most physical wds seem to be fine, other than the poops. I cannot wait until I can have a normal poo, but I'm thankful that I finally can.

Mentally, it's been rocky. I got really manic one day and ended up shaving my head. I don't regret it, but damn lol. I'm thankful that I've been on Wellbutrin cuz that's what I believe has made this all possible for me.

I keep getting cravings, though. There are two shops within walking distance of me that I could just walk to and pick up some. I end up taking myself out of it.

Thank you everyone for your support and tips! I'll post another update when I get the chance or something changes.

Hello!

I am wondering if anyone has used clonidine for kratom withdrawal and was there a cut off date that you stopped using it to not get physically dependent on that as well? I am on day 5 of my detox

Thank you.

I have a Gabapentin RX but what else should I ask for from my dr to help me with withdrawal?

Day 10. I've been feeling pretty good since day 7, but this morning for some reason, as soon as I woke up it was like I had been transported back 2 weeks. That wrenching anxiety to go get a dose like always starting creeping up in my head. Deep breathing, meditation, weight lifting, 2 mile run, then cold shower pretty much killed it, but I hadn't had any cravings since quitting so it was a bit of a surprise. Finally pissed clean this morning, so I just said the hell with it and took a quarter pill about an hour ago. Don't really feel anything, which I suppose is good news. The cravings in the few weeks after quitting are what always get me, so keeping up with this naltrexone is hopefully going to be very helpful in setting some new and positive routines. But for all the folks just starting out their quit, keep going. You'll be through it before you know it. I already feel vastly improved from where I was when I was in deep. So much more clarity, focus, drive, energy, emotion. It'll be a bumpy ride, but it's worth it. And don't let this sub psych you out! Stay on here too long and they'll have you believing K withdrawals are about as bad as being torn limb from limb by a Sarlacc. It does suck, but it's not the waking nightmare you're lead to believe. Don't let the fear get the best of you. I'm a proponent of helper meds. Lucemyra or clonidine, and gabapentin will get you through the worst of it. Buckle up, embrace the suck, and ride it out. It's so much better on the other side. Best of luck to all of you!

I am almost coming up on my 10 year anniversary of using the green dust. Which is depressing asf. Pretty much daily. Idk what my gpd was bc I was just eyeball measuring a scoop from a plastic spoon. A few months ago I got a script for microdose ketamine from one of those online things. It’s not a high enough dose to go into a K-hole but it helped me see how absolutely stupid I was that I was basically chained to this stuff. I realized it’s not sustainable. In 20 years am I still going to be dosing up? Want go on a road trip? Want to go on a cruise? Better have my green dust packed. And make sure I have enough to last so I don’t start shitting my pants. It’s ridiculous and I am finally ready to quit. My goal is to just wake up and be able to face the whole day raw dog - no green dust no caffeine no nicotine no alcohol etc.

Anyways I am now 2 weeks into a taper. I only dose once every 24 hours. 5pm before just after work and before the gym. Just one spoon full (not sure the grams). Which is huge accomplishment for me. I use to dose up at least 5-6 times daily. Even with one dose every 24 hours I would experience diarrhea, sweating etc. but now 2 weeks in I am starting to have solid bowl movements even though I am sticking with the 24 wait. Which I am super happy about. No alcohol, no nicotine, just a dose every 24 hours and energy drinks.

I got a referral to a psych from my PCP and told them I was feeling depressed (didn’t talk about green dust) and they wrote me a script for Wellbutrin. Wanting to get on that to hopefully curb the depression once I jump from the taper to CT. Because I know myself and that one does at 5pm is basically what is keeping my going. Like the light at the end of the tunnel each day. Anyone had any success with Wellbutrin?

I went CT from 15 gpd last week, and was taking about 100 gpd at my peak over a period of almost 5 years. However, today is really difficult and I feel like breaking. The restless legs have not gone away, and they spread throughout my body towards the later part of the day. My back gets so tight I can't even lay on it, and I feel like I am going insane from the lack of sleep. This is literally the most hellish experience of my life and I don't know what to do.

I haven't fallen asleep for longer than an hour, and have gotten a total of six hours over the last five days, with no end in sight. I constantly feel on edge and stimulated, but exhausted.

What can I do to help my sleep? Even an hour of solid sleep would help. I'm taking magnesium, GABA (the supplement), and vitamin c before bed. Throughout the day I am taking a multivitamin, DLPA, and NAC.

Also, how long did it take for you to get "normal" sleep? And how long did it take before you got a couple of hours of sleep? I just want this hell to end.