However, what matters is that women are not dying from abortion bans in the US, they're dying from medical malpractice. And abortion laws not theocratic, but a common sense extension of laws against murder to protect human life before birth as well.

And Trump has openly stayed he will not push for a nationwide abortion ban.

Pro choicers told me most women feel relief after an abortion. So many on the abortion sub absolutely seemed relieved. But I experienced suicidal feelings and absolute regret. All I wanted was my baby back. This was not long ago at all. I can’t use birth control of any kind for many reasons and tried to use ovulation kits to be more careful.

After this accident, I realized my method was not reliable. I am very mentally ill, poor, and get easily irritable when under the tiniest amt of stress. I am like a big irresponsible child who can’t handle their emotions. And I couldn’t handle adoption. I thought abortion would be easy. Wrong.

I swore to never get pregnant again and made an appt to get my tubes tied. My fiance though wanted kids and assured me he would step in and help and that his mother would too. He begged and begged but I still said no. He was traumatized from the abortion and wanted another child. did too but I knew I was unfit.

While waiting to get tubes tied, I got condoms and had to smoke lots of weed or have 2-3 margaritas to not have pain when using them. So sex was infrequent because I do not like to smoke or drink.

Well I passed out during sex from drinking alcohol and I will never know if he removed condom or not. He said he didn’t so idk. Unfortunately he cheated & we parted ways. Because I wouldn’t take him back he no longer cared about the child either.

My choice is to move home with my mom who is 62 and has chronic pain issues. She’s also very poor. I’m 39 and I haven’t worked in a very long time. I was going to get on disability for mental illness and sciatica.

I understand I could use all these public resources for food, stamps, and housing and etc. What I worry about is abusing my kids or neglecting them because my extreme irritability issues & my extreme low tolerance for stress. My mother was also a very abusive person and so I feel like I would be the same as her, but I wouldn’t want to be.

And I can’t handle adoption because the parents aren’t always good parents even if they seem to be. And I’ll never know. They could end up being worse than me. Or I’ve heard of the parents molesting their adopted children and things like that. And I hear for some adopted kids It’s very traumatic for some of them, even if they were adopted at birth. I’ll just never know and even if they promised it open adoption, they can at any time make it closed. It’s legal to go back on their word. I have been on the birth parent sub, and they are extremely traumatized and said that the adoption process for them was more traumatic than any abortion they’ve had. And I would hate to feel those bonding hormones and then be traumatized forever because they took my baby from me.

I don’t want to kill it. I want to keep it. But I don’t know how I’m gonna do it. Any help is appreciated.

I’m pretty sure there are plenty of other things that bring a woman closer to death outside of complications (which are not and should not be the norm.)

Childbirth is definitely not a walk in the park, but borderline death? It’s a natural, albeit miserable for most, experience, but definitely not close to death.

Again, excluding the rare complications. I believe the average is about 700 in the US due to either rare complications or complete medical negligence and malpractice. That’s a whole other conversation.

Hello everyone! So I am new to this sub. I grew up being pro life but changed my mind when I became a teacher (oddly enough). I worked as a teacher for about 10 years at low income schools. I have seen the worst of the worst and even worked in a prison as a teacher. For me, I always personally would be ok with going back to the pro life side but personally I just always felt that there was a bias. From what my students have told me, we only care about babies before they’re born. Once they’re here, we don’t care about them. My foster students have been treated horribly. No one advocates for them once they’re here.

For me my biggest issue with pro life is that if we were really pro life, we would advocate for people outside the womb first. Once we had a functioning foster care system and actually had decent maternal care, I feel like that’s when I could resort back to pro life.

However, I’m open minded. I want to be pro life again, the only thing is I see what happens when people have kids that they didn’t want or shouldn’t have had. I have had students tell me that they wish their parents would’ve aborted them.

I just want help. I want to be pro life but I just see so many biases and not enough caring of life outside of the womb.

I have a debate in my class. I’m originally pro choice but I got assigned pro life so I wanted to know if anyone would be willing to share why they’re pro life. Thank you!! (Btw I am open minded, no hate here!!!)

Malta is one of the most ProLife countries in Europe! Every year so many come to the capital city to promote pro life values! Choose love, choose life!

https://secularprolife.org/2024/12/ask-a-pro-life-atheist-amir-p/

COLUMBIA (The State) -- After meeting with the GOP caucus in Sumter in November, coming up with an a bill to further restrict abortion is not at the top of the priority list, Massey said.

Massey wouldn’t say if and when they will jump into an abortion debate, but a conversation took place in the all-male Republican caucus. “It was a good spirited conversation as always,” Massey said. “We had a good conversation about it. I don’t expect that will be our only caucus conversation about it.”

House members have passed more restrictive abortion bans in recent years only for the pushes to stall in the Senate. Now with the 34-seat GOP supermajority in the state Senate, Republican may have more flexibility to push for a ban that starts earlier than the six-week mark of a pregnancy. At least, that’s what House members want.

House Republican leadership has indicated that abortion restrictions need to start with the Senate. “Some of those folks campaign on the fact that they’re pro-life, and some of the ones they beat, they claim we’re not pro-life,” House Majority Leader Davey Hiott said. “So let’s allow them to send it to us and we’ll take a look at it, because we’ve always been the one that started it, and it won’t sit over here if they send it to us.”

The hard-line conservative House Freedom Caucus was more direct that the Senate should be able to pass more restrictions on abortion after the results of the election, which included the ouster of three Republican women who stood against the state’s current six-week law. “I think the voters in South Carolina were very clear when it comes to life,” said state Rep. April Cromer, R-Anderson, and Freedom Caucus vice chairwoman. “We have three senators that lost their race solely based on their stand with the Democrats when it comes to life and I think that should speak to the current Senate. They gained a supermajority and there’s nothing that we can’t do for the people of South Carolina.”

Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article295946259.html#storylink=cpy

Just like the pro choice movement, I do not think every pro lifer feels exactly the same about abortion. But I was wondering what the consensus is on the Abolitionists of abortion. I personally think that is the logical conclusion to this movement.

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Although I'm personally a Brazilian nationalist, our organization will be open to all pro-lifers in the Grande ABC region.

Since I'm 17 years old, I intend to get involved in real life politics instead of just discussing them through social media. Forming an informal group, which will eventually seek registration, will be a great step forward.

Hello all,

I had a heated argument with my girlfriend regarding our stances for abortion. I am pro-life, she is pro-choice, and I found out about that not too long ago.

The trigger for our argument was that, while I was scrolling my reddit feed, a post regarding Iceland aborting almost 100% of babies diagnosed with down-syndrome popped out and she saw it. Then she proceeds to say that she fully supported Iceland for doing that, which left me so shocked. I wrote in the first paragraph, that I found out not too long ago that she is pro-choice, because the debate about the post was not our first debate regarding our views of abortion. The first debate was about some hypothetical extreme cases, where the baby is supposed to be diagnosed with fatal diseases that his/her days are numbered after the birth, where I still did not support abortion for that case, contrary to her belief. The reason I was so shocked before the debate about the down-syndrome abortion was, I thought she just supported abortion for really extreme cases like the example I just wrote, but after hearing her statement about the abortion for down-syndrome babies, I was completely disillusioned.

During the debate, she asked me if I know or have some experiences with people who have down-syndrome. Until now, I don't know anyone with a down-syndrome in my life, but I said to her, although I don't have any experience with people with down-syndrome, I believe that they deserve to live and be treated, cared with so much love and compassion. She then said, she knows people with down-syndrome in her close circle and through her visit to orphanages, and she said that they all do not want to burden their families and caregivers, and they will choose to be aborted, if they have been given the choice. I answered that if they could say things like that, they are not treated and cared with enough love and they need to know that they are valuable just like all human beings, and death is not the solution for that. She then said I have always think about abortion from my idealistic perspective, but never think about what the people with down-syndrome will experience in their life and ultimately what their mothers will experience, that carry them in their womb and are "forced" to give birth to their babies, knowing doing so they will suffer to see their children have to endure the disease, while they have the option to "relieve" their children from the disease through abortion.

I tried to reason that we could not just euthanise people with down-syndrome or other diseases to give them mercy, and why should we end their life while they are still in their mother's womb, there is no difference. She answered because in the womb they don't have the choice and cannot answer if they are asked if they want to continue to live or not. Our debate went in circles and we both knew we will never agree on this matter. In the end, it is always about that I was so naive and never considered that the mother and the child will suffer if the child is forced to be born, and I will never experience what the mother will experience because it is not me that carry the pregnancy. I must admit that I am not mature enough to say my arguments calmly without getting emotional and may have hurt her feelings. We haven't talked again since, which of course is not my intention, but I think at least I have tried to stand up for my beliefs.

I am then curious what would your argument will be if you were in my position, and I hope you can share your views about this matter, particularly regarding the point that if we do not abort the babies with extreme diseases, it will just hurt the mother to see their children born like that. I hope I can learn many new things from you guys, thank you all for your time! 🙏

Sorry that this post has become too long, here is the obligatory TL;DR:

TL;DR: how would you try to reason if someone said that babies with extreme diseases should just be aborted to give them mercy and to consider the feelings of the mother/to prevent the mother form hurting to see their child born only to suffer with the diseases.

https://youtu.be/s-Xpa5UZAZs?si=-wcyfRmwwwaXve85

This is a beautiful in depth video. I was not expecting such a sweet ending with mother and child. 🥲

I hope this person finds the love they need.