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Upcoming Lojban software. Trailer 2

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2024/11/24
15:53 UTC

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Upcoming Lojban dictionary/corpus tool. Trailer 1

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2024/11/22
15:56 UTC

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Trying to identify a stage play featuring Lojban

I recall watching a comedy/drama stage play about a company adopting Lojban as a means to improve office communication and increase productivity. I cannot remember what the rest of the plot was about, something about an office scandal.
I do not recall the name of the production, and I'm having zero luck finding it on google.
If it helps narrow it down, I watched it in a theatre in Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) some 10 years ago (give or take). I do not remember the name of the theatre I watched it in.

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2024/10/21
08:57 UTC

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Introducing Futurlang - a conlang attempt that blends natural language, math and code

Hey everyone!

I’ve been working on a fun idea for a constructed language called Futurlang. The aim is to create a blend of everyday speech, formal logic, mathematical notation, and programming constructs.

Why Futurlang?

I wanted to see if I could come up with a syntax with perfect translatability between natural language, deductive logic, and programming to help myself think about language in new ways. Here is an early version of the syntax. Would appreciate some thoughts/ feedback

Futurlang in Action

  1. Universal Statements

    • Natural: “All squares are rectangles.” • Futurlang: forall shape: if shape is_a square then shape is_a rectangle • Python:

def is_rectangle(shape): return isinstance(shape, Square)

  1. Conditional Statements

    • Natural: “If it’s sunny, we’ll go to the park.” • Futurlang: when weather is_sunny then we goto park • Python:

def plan_day(weather): return "go to park" if weather == "sunny" else "stay home"

  1. Mathematical Concepts

    • Natural: “The area of a circle is pi times the square of its radius.” • Futurlang: define circle_area(radius) as: pi * (radius ^ 2) • Python:

import math

def circle_area(radius): return math.pi * (radius ** 2)

  1. Set Theory and List Comprehension

    • Natural: “The set of even numbers between 1 and 10.” • Futurlang: create_set: {number | number in range 1 to 10 where number % 2 == 0} • Python:

even_numbers = [number for number in range(1, 11) if number % 2 == 0]

  1. Probability

    • Natural: “The probability of rolling a 6 on a fair die.” • Futurlang: probability(roll == 6 | fair_die) = 1/6 • Python:

import random

def roll_die(): return random.randint(1, 6)

prob_six = sum(roll_die() == 6 for _ in range(1000000)) / 1000000

  1. Recursive Definitions

    • Natural: “The Fibonacci sequence, where each number is the sum of the two preceding ones.” • Futurlang:

define fibonacci(n) as: if n <= 1 then return n else return fibonacci(n - 1) + fibonacci(n - 2)

•	Python:

def fibonacci(n): if n <= 1: return n return fibonacci(n - 1) + fibonacci(n - 2)

  1. Logical Implications

    • Natural: “If someone is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat.” • Futurlang: forall person: if person is_vegetarian then not person eats_meat • Python:

def eats_meat(person): return not person.is_vegetarian

  1. Object-Oriented Concepts

    • Natural: “A car has a color and can be driven.” • Futurlang:

define class Car: property color method drive(): output "The {color} car is being driven"

•	Python:

class Car: def init(self, color): self.color = color

def drive(self):
    print(f"The {self.color} car is being driven")
  1. Error Handling

    • Natural: “Try to divide two numbers, but handle the case where the divisor is zero.” • Futurlang:

try: result = numerator / denominator catch ZeroDivisionError: output "Cannot divide by zero" result = undefined

•	Python:

try: result = numerator / denominator except ZeroDivisionError: print("Cannot divide by zero") result = None

  1. Asynchronous Operations

    • Natural: “Fetch data from a server and process it when ready.” • Futurlang:

async fetch_and_process(url): data = await get_from_server(url) return process(data)

•	Python:

import asyncio

async def fetch_and_process(url): data = await get_from_server(url) return process(data)

5 Comments
2024/10/19
01:52 UTC

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how do I make my name into a Lojban "word" ?

My nickname is "Mati" and I want to know how to write it in Lojban.

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2024/10/13
18:52 UTC

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Do lujvo imply a grouping when in a tanru?

(1) zabna clagerku ?= zabna clani bo gerku

(2) zabna clagerku ?= zabna clani gerku

I want to believe that (1) is true because lujvo define a specific meaning to tanru that they are combining. But if one is a building a semantic parser the AST interpreter could decompose the meaning either way.

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2024/10/13
16:26 UTC

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Complete Lojban Language, October 2024 unofficial release

geklojban-1.2.16 October 2024

Compiled version

Short list of changes compared to the previous version 'geklojban-1.2.15 October 2022'

  • issue #409 added two tables with phonology for American English and separately British English speakers.
  • issue #518 such examples as le nanmu cu ninmu (The man is a woman.) are replaced with le mlatu cu gerku (The cat is a dog.) because they better reflect the idea of non-veridical reference.
  • issue #515 one text from the Chrestomathy is replaced with a larger text 'Forest Nymph' (a translation of a short story by the Bulgarian writer Elin Pelin)
  • issue #499 definition for tanru grouping fixed. The new text: A second rule relating to bo is that where more than one bo -marked connective is used in succession, the normal Lojban left-grouping rule is replaced by a right-grouping rule.
  • issue #513 French diacritics fixed
  • issue #506issue #507issue #508issue #511 fixed glosses in several examples (thanks to Oheto for noticing)
  • issue #510 incorrect translation of ti liste mi ce'o do ce'o la .djan. fixed (thanks to Oheto for noticing)
  • issue #509 in several examples the name of the dog "Alice" was fixed to "Fido" as in other examples (thanks to Oheto for noticing)
  • issue #504 ke'a was incorrectly attributed to GOhA - fixed
  • fixed other minor mistypes in the text

git source of the UnCLL

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2024/10/13
16:05 UTC

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any fluent speakers?

Ive often seen Lojban being compared with Ithkuil because of its logic, and that its grammar is way too hard to be known by heart. is that true, and where would you put Lojban on the scale of simplicity? lower than toki pona probably, maybe higher than esperanto, ithkuil and Klingon... but idk, what are you thinking?

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2024/10/11
21:34 UTC

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Is la optional?

So in the CLL, it is stated that words that can be deduced from other words structure are optional.

So since cmene are pretty easy to deduce when a la appears in front of it, is it optional? Is there anything in the grammar that breaks if it is optional?

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2024/09/30
20:51 UTC

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Convention for 'Fare" and 'mainly' or 'mostly"

Thanking in Advance. Is there a lojban word, or set of words for the idea of 'Fare" as in Bus Fare, or Taxi Fare. how about 'Mostly' or 'mainly". I did searches for these words and synonyms, but haven't found a word, I thought maybe 'ticket price', 'travel price'? Thank you!

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2024/09/26
15:12 UTC

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where my Lojban fans at

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2024/09/23
21:44 UTC

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Продолжаем осваивать la .lojban. .i часть 2

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2024/09/23
11:12 UTC

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Hıa Tóaqzu? (What's Toaq?)

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2024/09/21
14:32 UTC

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Lojban! Интереснее, чем Эсперанто ))

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2024/09/18
17:00 UTC

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Lojban is so easy.

It just feels natural, which makes learning it quite easy.

6 Comments
2024/09/16
07:34 UTC

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Questions about usage

It seems experimental cmavo are used more than experimental gismu. If this is true, why is it? If not, what is the usage of experimental vocabulary like? How would you say "experimental" in Lojban? This is such a commonly used concept in discussions of the language, but the vlasisku dictionary does not have a word for it.

Also, most of the material in and about Lojban seems old. Does any new content get produced?

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2024/09/15
20:39 UTC

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Cu explain

Can anyone explain to me what the Cu word does? ki'e

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2024/09/11
23:04 UTC

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Sometimes the Lojban appendix of Wiktionary gives a better definition of a word, including examples.

definition of {be} from sutysisku and vla sisku:

sumti link to attach sumti (default x2) to a selbri; used in descriptions.

meanwhile there's a whole page about the word at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Lojban/be including numerous examples

2 Comments
2024/09/07
03:58 UTC

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Is there anyone who uses this language as a second language learning tool like me?

Hello, I'm new to this language and I've seen its potential as an educational tool that can be used as a reference language for learning English or another second language. For example, I think we can easily distinguish complex and fuzzy grammar rules and different styles of writing in English by looking at their equivalents in lojban and I think it can be useful in learning certain grammatical structures.

I think there is a huge potential. Sometimes it is difficult to find the semantic equivalent of a grammatical structure in natural languages, and sometimes the same semantic structure can appear in different ways. This language was created in a very structural way.

https://preview.redd.it/ig7lytf4gmmd1.png?width=515&format=png&auto=webp&s=a082086d5b4fd2c1da43d4cf597025caa15a78b0

I would like to ask if there is anyone who uses this language as a language learning tool like me? What are your experiences? Is there a resource about it?

6 Comments
2024/09/03
16:34 UTC

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Is there a German Lojban course?

Hello! I'm quite new to Lojban and would like to learn it but i feel like my english isnt good enough to do so in english. so is there something like this?

3 Comments
2024/08/26
20:02 UTC

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Xorlo and neo-prexorloism

I like la gleki 's translation of gedri into su'o da zo'u constructs .

However, I am also fond of making lo generic in xorlo.

Am I reading the section on neo-prexorloism correct in that the lo to da translations are incompatible with xorlo?

3 Comments
2024/08/24
15:12 UTC

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Sometimes opposites are just different sides of the relationship

Take the English words predator/hunter and prey/quarry. They're opposites in English, but in Lojban there's a word for the relationship that both predator and prey are part of, with sumti spaces to describe both: {kalte} [x1 hunts/stalks prey/quarry/game x2 for purpose x3.]

Lojban also has the word to'e: polar opposite scalar negator, often shortened to tol and used as a prefix for a selbri to mean the opposite of that selbri.

la janbe, in her Super Mario 64 playthrough, called one of the NPCs a "toljinga", meaning loser.

jinga means: x1 (person/team) wins/gains prize x2 from/over x3 [competitors/losers] in competition x4.

Interestingly, jinga has a place for other competitors/losers, so one could've said te jinga instead of toljinga.

Or maybe not? I read this in vlasisku: x3 competitors here are opponents and in many situations, defeated/losers, vs. the set of those competing for a goal;

So maybe x3 is not necessarily losers? If you win a race but tie with another winner, is the other person who tied te jinga but also at the same time jinga like you?

If you and a friend beat a game in coop, is your friend te jinga? Maybe not, because you are not competing against your friend. You and your friend are lo jinga and the game is lo te jinga.

x2 means the prize you won. If for some reason, your good efforts in some sort of challenge or competition results in you being punished, did you just earn yourself a tolsejinga?

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2024/08/23
20:25 UTC

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Is there a list of cmavo that serve multiple syntactical roles

I am thinking of cmavo like bo and pi'u. They maintain semantic meaning but are used in different syntactical structures.

.i vi bo Versus clani cmalu bo mlatu And li re pi'u xe Versus re roi pi'u xe roi

Similar meaning but difference syntax.

Also, I think all the numbers serve multiple syntactical roles. For some reason, re pi'u xe roi is not grammical.

7 Comments
2024/08/23
00:57 UTC

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A Lojban restaurant would sell nothing but burgers and sandwiches. They would also sell burgers where one of the layers is another burger inside the burger.

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2024/08/10
23:37 UTC

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【Lojban】kertinytci zukte / Jin - Headphone Actor【Natsuki Karin】

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2024/08/07
12:36 UTC

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What do you call it when a Lojbanist comes to quickly?

klama sutra

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2024/07/31
05:05 UTC

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