Some of this could be spoilers for anyone who didn’t watch yet!!

So I’m not the biggest fan of Katherine but I think her character is very complex and interesting, I just can’t get over her selfishness which brings me to this topic, she screws over a lot of people, even ones that did her good and helped her hide etc.

That being said, who do you think she actually considered a real friend? She uses people to get what she wants or to help her in some way but it was rare to see her meet with people and actually seem to be happy around them and see them as a real friend, not just a tool. I think the most notable time was with Emily Bennet who helped her in a lot of ways in the 1800s. Though she was obviously a tool for Katherine mostly, she also seemed to genuinely care for Emily in some ways. The only other time I can think of is that one witch that helped her tie Elena to herself (don’t recall that witches name) but that witch seemed to not like Katherine as much if I recall.

So were there any other examples of Katherine having actual friends? Or considering someone actually a friend?

After she turns, she's just in her house after thr carnival. She lived with Liz alone. Liz would have had to invite her in. Which would have tipped Liz off to her turning. Is this a plot hole or am I missing something? Logan Fell literally lived in a Ramada because he lived in his house alone, so it has to be someone else who lives there.

it’s been a while since i’ve watched tvd and I forgot some things that happened. how did it go from the other side to limbo?

I forgot the actors name but he plays the fear, the pain so well, the whole S2 E11 with his storyline is just so intense. I didnt remember it from when i first watched it. And I love the way Caroline supports him through it as well. And to imagine going through this every 4 weeks or so...

The thought of klaus body against another as he hold her close in his arms with their body heat together is so wholesome to think about in this small moment of comfort.

Just embracing the love for one another. Imagine being called his close friend but behind doors he spoons you like this 😫 Big softie

Am I only the person to LOVE Damon & Elena when they weren’t a couple more than when they were. I thought so many things were precious… ex. The scene of him dying from a werewolf bite. The way she coddled him and basically looked over the dark things he had done. Or even the time of him taking care of her while Stefan was out having to live his ripper life when Klaus took him over. I am a Stelena shipper 100%. But I love the relationship Elena and Damon built through the dark, it just wasn’t as deep I feel when they officially decided to be together. The chemistry is different to me anyways.

Let's stir up some debate! I ranked the TVDU's supernatural creatures based on power (The Hollow on top), and I'm curious to see how you guys feel about it. Here's my take:

• The Hollow: Ancient Witch Spirit
• Hope Mikaelson: Tribrid
• Malivore: Entity/Primordial
• Cade (Arcadius) - Siphon/ Undead Controller
• Dahlia: Ancient Witch
• Qetsiyah (Tessa): Immortal Witch
• Silas: Immortal Witch
• Esther Mikaelson: Original Witch
• Freya Mikaelson: Original Witch
• Heretics
• Mikael Mikaelson (Original Vampire/Hunter)
• Alaric Saltzman/Marcel Gerard (Enhanced Originals)
• Lucien Castle (Upgraded Original Vampire)
• Klaus Mikaelson (Original Hybrid)
• Original Vampires (Elijah, Rebekah, Kol, Finn)
• Hayley Marshall (Hybrid)
• Kai Parker (Siphoner)
• Lizzie & Josie Saltzman (as Siphoners)
• Seline and Sybil (The Sirens)
• Huntress (Rayna Cruz)
• Bennett Bloodline Witches
• Salvatore Bloodline Vampires
• Lockwood Werewolves

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Let me know in the comments:

• Do you agree with the rankings?
• Who deserves a power boost (or nerf)?
• Let's keep it logical, not just favorite character bias!

P.S. I know power levels can be subjective, so hit me with your best arguments.

They're shown to be non transferable, as in only you can use your daylight ring, which makes sense to me. In the books they're apparently transferable, which also makes sense to me.

Damon is shown standing in the sunlight, holds the ring in his hand, then starts burning only after he drops it. Implying it doesn't need to be worn just in contact with your body.

So, my point is, should I find myself in that situation (With people lopping off fingers to remove rings and just stealing them) I'd be cutting a hole in my skin and burying it deep in there. Or storing it in between some organs.

Anyone else wish this was noted in the show?

Idk how to say, he's more comfortable, more free, it seems like he's having such a fun. Makes you think he wanted to play bad sarcastic asshole all along. As Silas he's even more attractive and funny, sure Stefan also has some witty silent sarcastic moments but Silas is just Paul being freely himself.

When she’s introduced in season 3 she still has that short hairstyle when she was in Chicago where she met Stephan when Klaus daggered her. I have to ask while they are daggered does the originals hair still grow because we see it now and it’s pretty long. Something I’ve never thought about before

To start, this isn't a hate post. This is a criticism that you can decide wether it's valid or not... (or maybe I want to hate a little bit, but I'm trying to be civil, don't say I'm hypocritical -_-)

I'm sorry but rewatching a few episodes of season 6, Caroline has become the main source of my irritation. Generally throughout the show, I didn't mind her. I liked her humor and soft relationships with everyone, although it was always a bit annoying that she was inserted in every storyline that she had no importance for, but that's another discussion.

The first thing that annoys me about her this season, is the way that she treats Stefan. For half of the season, she blames him for leaving the town and not answering her calls. How long has it been since his brother has died? A month? Two? Three? That is nothing for a human to move on, let alone a vampire who's lived for more than a hundred years.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why she was upset that Stefan didn't contact her. That's valid. What I fail to understand, is why she acts like he has ruined their friendship with the way he has been grieving, and also, the way she continues to overlook Stefan's pain and make it about her struggles instead.

"Couldn't you see that I was falling apart without you?" No Caroline. Maybe because not everyone wants to be cuddled and be with their best friend (who hates their brother btw) after the said brother dies.

The thing is, Caroline had many people in Mystic Falls to not fall apart without Stefan. She had Tyler, Matt, Elena, her mom... Stefan has no one that would comfort him without expectations. Both Caroline and Elena tried contacting him to talk to him about what they want. Stefan is hardly the selfish person here.

Anyway, the scene that annoyed me the most about all this, is when Caroline cries over Stefan not coming back and Enzo kills his girlfriend for it. Seemed immature and ridiculous to me. It's not directly Caroline's fault, but the way the writing cuddles her to the point that if precious Caroline is crying, somebody else should die— just cringe. I wonder, how does this fandom call Elena the privileged one when this scene exist?

No humanity arc:

So... when it comes to no humanity vampires, I personally don't think they should be given a pass. Wether it's Stefan, Elena or Caroline. Because I think that cruel, terrible no humanity side of them, is a part of who and what they are. It doesn't come out of thin air. It's their worst side that they finally get a chance to show.

But what I realised about the Caroline situation, is that unlike Stefan and Elena, she chose to turn it off. Stefan was compelled by Klaus. Elena was ordered by Damon. Does that make what they did less terrible? No, because they still had agnecy without their humanity, yet they chose to hurt their loved ones and innocent people anyway.

The thing is, Caroline was very aware of the possible consequences. She experienced the consequences of no humanity Elena and Stefan. She almost died in the hands of her supposed best friend for it. She knew, very clearly, of who and what she might become if she turns it off.

She knew that there's a great chance she'll hurt one of her friends if she turns it off, but didn't care.

I know some of the arguments is that "Caroline is a control freak, she can control herself." Or, "If her friends had respected her choice, she would have been fine." But respectfully, I think those are foolish arguments to make.

1: Having no humanity has no connection to "control" or bloodlust. Caroline is a control freak yes, but without no compassion, no empathy or understanding of human feelings, what makes you think she would want to control her lust?

Also, is Caroline really that good of a control freak comparing to Stefan for example, who has experience in fighting his ripper for half a century? I really don't think Caroline should be given this amount of trust.

2: Why should Caroline's friends get the blame for her choices and actions? Especially burning her mom's letter? She chose to turn it off and insisted that everyone should respect her choice, but the when they listen, it's their fault? She made a careless choice and this is the consequences she didn't think about before making that choice.

To be fair tho, Caroline did apologise in the end. But it's such a shame that this long annoying storyline had no effect on her character, development or relationships. Were the writers trying to do something for Steroline with this arc? Because they did a terrible job.

That's it. I just needed to let out my frustration, wether you agree or disagree, tell me in the comments!

(Random but: Season 6 SUCKS btw.)

Was it because she was 💀? But she resurrected herself back when the veil was down. I think maybe because the actress had left the show but idk seems odd that she’ll just stand by while the other side is destroyed while she created it for the sole purpose of staying with Silas.

Caroline and Bonnie irk all my nerves. Literally can’t stand them. Every time I rewatch I get more annoyed

I want a detailed view on your opinions of the end of the show. I want to know how you felt about the storyline of S8 and the last few episodes.

If you need a refresher, here is a TLDR of the last few episodes of S8.

Damon's confronted by Arcadius who wants the ashen dagger in exchange for Elena's coffin, which Kai gave him. Stefan seeks forgiveness from Bonnie for killing Enzo. He confronts Kai at a karaoke bar and traps him. Caroline learns the twins' powers are out of control due to The Armory. Stefan plans to kill Cade, injecting Damon with vervain to stop him from interfering. During the showdown, Damon chooses himself over Elena, sacrificing himself. Bonnie fights Cade and Stefan kills him. Damon returns to life, Stefan decides to stay, proposes to Caroline, and plans to start a school for supernatural beings with Alaric. Bonnie traps Kai in another prison world, where he reveals Katherine Pierce now rules Hell.

The gang plans to kill Katherine by making a dagger from her bones. They lure her out with Stefan and Caroline's wedding. Kelly Donovan returns, vomits black blood, and kills her husband for the dagger's location. At the wedding, Kelly sabotages it, causing an explosion. Vicki, resurrected from Hell, rings the bell and unleashes hellfire, causing chaos.

Bonnie collapses from magical strain but ascends to an astral plane where she reunites with Elena. Vicki's incessant bell ringing threatens Mystic Falls. Katherine returns, holding Elena hostage, orchestrating chaos. Stefan and Damon confront her, but she reveals her plans for Mystic Falls' destruction. Damon ultimately forces Katherine's demise. Meanwhile, Bonnie, aided by ancestral spirits, harnesses the power to stop hellfire. Stefan sacrifices himself to save Mystic Falls. Elena wakes up, finding peace in the limbo, while Bonnie restores her and Damon's life. Stefan finds peace with Lexi before Bonnie revives Elena, marking a bittersweet conclusion.

Things are just starting to heat up bonkai was just eliminated lets ser which ship will be eliminated next

So this is something that’s kind of been bothering me about Julian, the vampire step-daddy of the Heretics from season 7, is that, despite being given a pretty exact statement on how old he is (“I was trapped in that stone… but when you’re over 475 years old you learn a thing or two about yourself”) it’s still kind of unclear. Because was he 475 when he was put in the stone in 1903, or when he came out in 2013. Because, if it was the former, then that makes him the second oldest non-original vampire in TVD, and not just some middle of the road vampire who’s not even as old as Katherine’s daughter.

Guilty pleasure don’t judge!

Preferably a well written OC that is some kind of supernatural being, and not annoying.

pls im rewatching TVD and i’m so angry w jeremy like bonny was literally out saving the day once again and he was being such an d like i’m not upset he loves anna he can’t help it but wtf why be with bonny then omg idk am i the only one gets agitated everytime i get to this part😭😭😭

The conflict about whose fault was it that Stefan and Damon got turned into vampires. Let's discuss and share thoughts based on their actions.

Stefan: Accidentally informed his dad that Katherine was a vampire thrrefore leading to his and Damons death which put them in transition. Forces Damon to feed on that girl and complete the transition therefore taking away Damon's choice. Damon: Let Katherine feed on and sleep with himself and Stefan. Willingly drank her blood and let her feed Stefan her blood. Helped her kill people, which made her keep leading the same lifestyle.

Let me know if I'm missing anything.

Let’s say Grayson and Miranda were alive and John bill Forbes Tripp fell were in the council in season 1 would Damon or Stefan get near Elena would mystic falls still be a town where vampire fear to go

We all have seen that Meredith does not try to hunt or kill a vampire despite being a founding family member and her grandfather being killed by one