I just finished rewatching TVD and The Originals and thought I’d give Legacies a chance. I’m only on episode 2 but why is every single fight or jump scene in slow motion? It’s annoying me sm

Why was the introduction of other undead so ridiculously botched? I saw that scene of the berbalang, that ridiculous creature or the mummy with that stone in its chest and I thought what's the need to create ridiculously crude monsters in the TVDU universe running and screaming at the protagonists? Why didn't they do introductions like the vampire ones instead? in which they are beautiful and attractive and interact with humans, witches and werewolves and live their daily intrigues of love, hate and betrayal? I would have liked to see factions of mummies or berbalangs the way vampires were introduced instead of those ugly and ridiculous monsters running after the protagonists in Legacies, those scriptwriters were so bad why create ridiculous stories when they could get fans attention with group intrigues supernatural undead versus vampires as was done in The Originals?

Sometime ago I wrote about how weird it was to make a big deal about Hope's ability to have children. The girl is 19. Klaus didn't have a child for 1000+ years, none of the vamps had a child their whole lives but they are making it a big deal that this 19 year old, heavily traumatized girl, can't have children. And the response I got was defending the show's choices, which I found particularly strange.

Today I was thinking, it wasn't just the fact that they made a big deal about Hope's ability to have children, it is also that throughout the show and specifically Season 4, they basically erase Hayley's part. The girl who indeed was 19 when she got pregnant with Hope. Hayley was the parent she had been with her whole life, the one she had the greatest bond with and they kept bringing Klaus over and over again but never mentioned Hayley.

On top of that, Hope is flexing with the 'I am my father's daughter' (which was really good when she beat up Alaric), 'I'm Klaus Mikaelson's daughter', when she is so much more than that. She is the first, the very first (maybe only) Tribrid in the world. She is a Mikaelson Witch. These are not small things in this universe. Klaus spent how many seasons bragging about being the Hybrid?

It's the erasing of Hayley, it's that they made Hope "Klaus' Daughter" first and everything else second when she is herself one of the most powerful beings in the world. And that is why the whole attention on Hope's ability to have children irks me so bad.

It's sexism. It's patriarchy. Plain and Simple. Had she been a male, this would have never come up. No one would think it a lose of any kind that 'Hope' can't have children. (Even though she should have been able to the same way Klaus was able to.)

^(And I say this with all the love in my heart for Klaus. He is one of my favorite characters of all time. But Hope was more than just his daughter. Being a Tribrid makes her her own person and Mikaleson Witch links her to her grandmother's bloodline. Not to mention how powerful Hayley's bloodline is given how powerful Inadu was. But all of that is put aside to emphasis her link to her father which is probably the weakest one in power.)

^(I also think it is reflective of the political climate in America.)

Caveat: I'm JUST watching this show for the first time.

WHAT AN AMAZING EPISODE. Some of the best writing in the entire series so far. I'm not even the biggest Raf fan (just don't think he's a well-written or thought-out character) but damn if I didn't cry a few times during this episode.

I was just thinking of creating a fanfic what if in the womb Some of Caroline vamp blood mixed with Josie and Lizze and they somehow now have vamp blood flowing constantly in there sysetm. Lizzie did Inherit Caroline blond hair

So How do you guys/girls think that would impact the plot. Would they be able to siphon there blood?

I will start off simply that I think the the show starting out as a dual main character direction between Hope and Landon is completely fine. I think some people here "slightly" overreact with all the writing issues and rules. This is a spin-off, not any spin-off but one after all events of TVD & TO. After these two shows ended, unfortunately most of the actors wasn't going to return besides the odd few cameos. I think that's fine, gives new actors a chance to step up etc.

Anyways, Landon story is the only one that "really" gets derailed to a point where his story is so poor. For me is if Legacies is about Hope and the twin sisters, why bring such a story dominate character as in Landon to the set.

Landon spends a lot of screentime, specifically in season 1 and 2. Learning who this foster kid is. To finally found out that he's a phoenix or something like that. To then really quickly being killed and essentially destroying his point in the series any further. yet he gets dragged out till the end. Whole limbo situation is god awful, only bit that gives any relevance is the Saltzman situation when he dies and goes into Limbo & some of the friends during the god battle to be brought back by Landon himself.

I don't mind a lot of the writing in legacies, character development is pretty decent aswell. I personally think the series get derailed into the wrong direction when they lose track of the true purpose of what Landon was meant to be in the show.

What's your thoughts about the writing of Landon's character? Maybe I missed something but just felt specifically to him, really unfair to the actor and poor writing for such a promising show.

Can a siphoner witch take a werewolfs curse because we have seen that can take some of it.

During TVD, when he’s back from hell, Kai tells Caroline what it’s like to be a siphoner, and he says that he was pretty much a drug addict since he was a little kid, constantly chasing the next high from a little bit of magic. I feel like it would’ve been really interesting to see that process unfold, have Josie come in contact with black magic, have her little “Dark Josie” moment in the prison world, and then when the black magic leaves her she just just starts driving herself genuinely crazy and acting like a junkie trying to recreate how she felt when she overcome by it.

I feel like this would’ve driven her to actually act out in ways that have real consequences, like alienating Lizzie completely, or actually killing someone permanently, and not whatever tf they tried to pull with Alyssa Chang. Also, since Ric isn’t exactly father of the year when it comes to being attentive to his daughters, it could’ve been a great way for the show and other characters to call him out on his shitty parenting, by having him just not notice that there’s something seriously wrong with his daughter while others like Hope or even Landon can see the deterioration clearly.

What do you guys think?

Should he have kept his enhanced original powers It feels like if he had his powers, he would have done with most of the enemies and the ones that he couldn’t have dealt with, he could have asked the twins or hope or all of them to help him.

I know we all say it large fault because he made a lot of bad decisions and bad judgement but I also never understood the point of having a human with no powers to take care of kids with supernatural powers and protecting them he was powerless and needed help from hope from the twins and bunch of other teenagers that was dumb in my opinion

But if he had his spouse and he still made the same mistakes, it would have been more interesting consequences that would have led to that.

because he has the power to protect the school by himself and there’s not a lot of enemies that can kill him.

so the fact that he has a bunch of teenagers going out there risking their life would have made a lot of people questioning it.

but not that he’s a human as much as it’s wrong. It was the only way he had which also explains why there were never other people going out there and protecting the students they had teachers but those teachers apparently did not know how to fight.

I been rewatching legacies and I’m starting to notice that hope doesn’t like children is there a reason for it?

In the originals or something I missed when watching the series I don’t pay attention to everything that’s happening in the episode

i loved season 7 when they were babies and i loved season 1-3 i felt like they grew up so much in the later seasons and learned a lot i think there so pretty and wish they had more screen time on tvd. what’s your favorite?

1. Jade's and also the witch and the werewolf's characters being ignored and forgotten after the prison world episodes.

2. No one actually ever dies, they are too soft and it's not scary. The therapy boxes don't feel important or relevant because we know that they arent real

3. A huge and dumb timeline plothole with Hope's and the twins ages and the year that Legacies is set in. It's supposed to be 2028 but it wouldnt make any sense for the Twins to celebrate their Sweet 16 because they were definitely born after 2012 which was S5 of TVD and they were born in S7. They never had any dates mentioned unlike in TVD where each character had a birthday at least.

4. The overlook of vampires. I get that the previous two shows with 13 seasons in total were mostly about vamps but MG and Kaleb being two of the main characters on the show and they never even bothered to explain how, why, where, when they were turned and who turned them and whose sireline they are in???

5. Wasted potential of Dark Josie, they couldve make her a little bit less cringe and make her the main villian for a whole season instead of 3 episodes.

So I don't remember if this was confirmed in the show or not, but most people have stated that it's not a problem at all for Hope to have children biologically in the future as a Tribrid. Although I'm not entirely sure about that.

In The Originals they tell us that the reason Klaus is able to reproduce is because he's half vampire half werewolf. Which technically could mean that Heretics could also reproduce, but in Legacies it's revealed that Hope actually came into existence because nature needed someone to kill Malivore, so technically hybrids reproducing is not a thing and Klaus being able to conceive a child was just a loophole.

Hope is already Undead, not Alive so i don't think she would be able to reproduce since she's immortal and I don't think nature would let her.

Why is aria shahghasemi not on any social media? did something go wrong after the show? What made him disappear like that

I came to this series with crazy expectations. The series is the third in this world that is built in such an amazing way with an exciting and tense background And then the series comes along and just ruins the main character that was supposed to hold the entire series together Instead of presenting a strong character, every small monster or basic spell brings her down, instead of seeing her blow up everything in her path, we see her defeated over and over and over again Every time I felt like "there's finally a scene I've been waiting for," it turns out to be just a dream or the next scene just ruins the first scene Unfortunately, this series could have been so much more than it is now if only they hadn't been afraid to give Hope the power she deserves.

Are there other people who think like me?

this inconsistency is driving me insane. or maybe it’s not an inconsistency but just… they didn’t show it on screen. when malivore spits hope back out at the start of season 2, where does she physically wake up exactly? like, where is the pit when she wakes up? does she walk out of the pit? in the past when malivore expelled seylah and clarke, they both quite literally walked out of the mud. but with hope there’s a chance the pit disappeared completely because it was weakened by her being in it, and then maybe it re appeared somewhere else (i think in the middle of the town square iirc? i’m still at the beginning of season 2 in my rewatch). so does that mean hope just appeared somewhere random and woke up? as opposed to walking out of the pit?

Does anyone knows some quotes from Josie Saltzman in Legacies?

in the last episode, it is mentioned that josie has gone to a school in belgium in the letter that she wrote to josie. so, since penelope is also in belgium… is that offscreen endgame for them? ‘cause i think josie also promised to hit finch up but they broke up right before she left. or am i just delusional?

when hope is sending Landon to New Orleans she says a “family friend” can help him find his birth mom. I assume she’s talking about a witch, is she talking about Vincent ?

I’m new to this sub and am wondering who the fan favorites are!! Personally, if I had to pick one person it would be Lizzie. She’s so funny and iconic 🥰😎

Does anyone else have a problem understanding the characters on this show?

Especially the actress who plays Hope. She mumbles so much that I catch very little of what she says. In fact, her acting in general is such a disappointment. After watching the Originals and >!the deaths of Klaus and Elijah!< I was expecting so much more from Hope.

Matt Davis and the actress who plays Josie mumble a lot too.

Is it just me?

this is not the perfect place to post this, i know. i posted in "the originals" subreddit aswell. but i wanted to hear what the legacies fans thoughts were. this should be spoiler free for the most part for both the originals and legacies, the replies might not be so spoiler free though if you care about that, so be carefull scrolling. xD

i got into an argument today on tiktok about weather a "werewich" is posseble (outside of hope). i don't think it is.

from my understanding, you are either born a werewolf or a witch. a witch is born with the capability of practicing magic. a werewolf is not, they can however activate their curse to gain access to their respective abileties. being a werewolf (alike being a vampire) cancels your ability to practice magic. it's "either-or".

the part that confuses me, and got me worried i have severly missunderstood how this works. is when klaus mikealson was brought up and the people i was discussing with claim klaus was a witch. i said what i said above "he was born a werewolf, the werewolf gene won the lottery in his case".

they replied with "no it didin't. klaus was born a witch like the rest of his siblings, he just didin't practice." and multiple people with comments similiar to that. however from my memory of the show, the only confirmed mikealson siblings to be born witches are freya (for obvious reasons) kol (he mentioned in season 2 how he missed doing witchcraft, and finn (im pretty sure he also mentioned missing doing witchcraft). we don't know if rebecka, elijha and henrik were human or wiches.

from my understanding the only were-wich is hope mikaelson herself, and there it whould not make much sense for it to ever be another one. but when you are a magical miracle baby you get to be whatever you want apparently, i love her but gosh does she make my head hurt.

anyways, thanks for any thoughts and opinions!

Landon stays dead, and in 3x5 hope finally accepts that he's gone and moves on, from there she focuses on a new monster (it could be the gods or like season 4) and hope turns her humanity off and that stays the same, when she turns it back on she fights a new enemy or something

Edit: As an alternative her grieving Landon could lead her to shutting her humanity off (like the ending of season 3) and because of that she'd eventually discover the gods and then "get over" Landon and then they'd give us a proper ending

Sometimes just go from speaking in a normal tone to whispering? Like it was kinda annoying sometimes, even then I wasn't a huge fan of him

I originally watched the series as it aired on the CW, but recently decided to binge the series in full for the first time since its finale. I wondered if I would appreciate it more with a few years between viewings. And the truth is - I still have mixed feelings about the series.

My main takeaway after this recent binge - is that the series does not fit within the TVD Universe. But if it had just been a show about a magic school outside that Universe it would have been a lot more fun and compelling. In my mind Legacies as a series suffered from its wildly different tone in comparison to the Vampire Diaries and The Originals. The monsters looked campy and the magic too childish. This was in bold contrast to the grounded approach its predecessors took. They felt like different worlds. Additionally, I felt the story suffered from focusing so much on the three legacy children of the previous shows. Which is a shame, because there was a lot about the show that I found enjoyable. It just didn't fit with what came before.

The series was an odd mix of the Monster of the Week storyline and trying to simultaneously tell a story that was limited to begin with. The story of Hope Mikelson felt a lot like the story of Elena Gilbert - in the sense that it really only had enough gas for a few seasons - before the original premise collapsed under the weight of making the series revolve around one girl. Much like when I watched TVD, I kept hoping that the writers would pull back on making Hope the focus of the series and lean into telling more diverse stories involving the other characters. And while some of them did get to shine (I'm looking at you Lizzie) - a majority of them were left still sorely underdeveloped after 4 seasons. And since the series really lacked in storylines - it's easier just to break down the characters to explain the joys and the lows.

Hope - she edges out Alaric as the most frustrating character in the show. The writing decision to pretend like she didn't have her aunts, uncle, and Marcel for a majority of the series was beyond annoying. Trust me Elijah would be haunting their asses if they neglected her. So the suggestion that she was a complete orphan with no home was BS. I'm not saying she didn't have trauma - but the rewrite of her history was ridiculous. And also, a character that is always the "hero" is incredibly one dimensional. Even when she flipped off her humanity, she was still basically saving the day. I wanted to like Hope, but nothing about the way she was written made that easy. She had her moments - and if they had leaned in more to her just trying to be a young woman with hopes and dreams and not a martyr, I think it would have really helped.

Alaric - the other most frustrating character. In TVD, Alaric's ability to be a kind, nurturing presence in a world of chaos, tragedy, and magic was a gift. He truly cared. I will never understand why that was stripped away from him in Legacies. One of the reasons I was excited for the show, was because he'd be front and center teaching the next generation. And sometimes we got that. In particular I liked his relationship with Kaleb. But his relationship with his daughters was borderline criminal, and his favoritism of Hope seemed to take away any genuine connection with most of his other students. I just don't believe that Alaric wouldn't have connected better with all of them. I wanted him to be a wise sage - and he just felt dumbed down.

Lizzie - was the best developed character in the series. Jenny Boyd knocked it out of the park in her performance. She created a complex character that was flawed and deeply human. Much like Caroline on TVD, I rarely was bored or frustrated in her journey. Her ability to connect with difficult and oddball characters like Hope, Aurora, and Jen was a rare feat within the series. The only story I hated of hers was the romance with Sebastian. I just wanted him to go away and never take her valuable storyline time again.

Josie - I've never been happier to see a character written out of a series as I was when she left. For me she was one of the worst long-standing characters I've seen on TV in my life. Poorly developed. A blatant rip-off of Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer - and quite frankly a boring one at that. She had literally two storylines that were on constant repeat: self-doubt and a new love interest. And no matter how many times they wrote it, it never got better.

Landon - Aria Shahghasemi was in my opinion the very best actor on the show. Landon as a character wasn't very well developed. He was more of a plot point. But every new iteration of the character was diverse, and Aria played it all perfectly. Comedy. Melodrama. Bad guy. He nailed it all. And as a result, he was one of my favorite parts of the show.

Raf - No disrespect to the actor, but the writers made the least amount of effort with this character from the start. He was a wolf, and it's pretty obvious from all three series that the wolves were supernatural characters they cared the least about. I was happy for the actor that he was released from the show to go do something that hopefully has more dimension.

Kaleb - The best developed male character in the show. Which is saying a lot, because the guys were definitely not given the good writing. But I really liked how his character developed from S1 to S4. He grew as a person and it was evident.

MG - I have a soft spot for him, because I feel like Quincy Fouse imbued him with a wonderful warmth. But there was little to no development with his character from S1 to S4. He was almost exactly the same person.

Cleo - What a breath of fresh air! I liked her moxie. She was a wonderful addition to the series and her power set was a nice change of pace in the magic world. Of all the characters, I would have liked to see where they could have taken her the most.

Jed - I liked him primarily in S3. I have mixed feelings about his romantic storyline in S4. On one hand, it was an interesting development. In better writing hands it could have been a very powerful story to tell, the idea of a repressed desire mixed with the complex anger of a wolf. But the rushed nature of his romance with Ben felt too insta-love to me and I think it hindered his understanding and exploration of himself.

Ethan - A Matt Donovan knockoff with powers. Ugh.

There were plenty of side characters that I really liked that I would have gladly developed into full-fledged characters that would have probably served the series well: Penelope, Wade, Kim (Kaleb's sister), Vardamus, Ted (but not the Necromancer part of him).

I also think that both Emma and Dorian were completely pointless characters. The school should have had some established teachers aside from Alaric. And these two were not it. I really wish that somehow Freya or Vincent had come to the school to teach. Or Vardamus had stayed. Or that Ted had remained human and alive. My biggest pet peeve of every CW show ever is the lack of adult characters. A magic school should have had freaking teachers. And honestly, half those kids should have had parents or families to interact with.

I'm not a romance person, so I didn't care who they dated as long as it wasn't insufferable like Sebastian taking up Lizzie's time. The show was at its best when it focused on the bonds of friendship between the characters. Kaleb & MG, Landon & Ted, Hope & Lizzie - I really enjoyed these kinds of interactions the most. The cast seemed to play well off each other - and I wish they had mixed up the interactions more. One of my favorite pairings was when Lizzie and Landon were forced together - and it didn't happen enough. Also, that time Jed and Cleo interacted was incredibly sweet. I wish they had more scenes together.

Malivore as an idea wasn't terrible. I just think after one season that pit should have been ripped open and the remaining monsters should have been somehow confined to the Mystic Falls region instead of Malivore as a villain for three seasons. In fact, the series lacked an interesting villain overall. But I guess we can't always get a Klaus Mikelson and the Original family.

My favorite episodes were:

S1: The Dryad episode; Landon's mothers episode; the Jinni episode
S2: The Minotaur/80's decades dance episode
S3: The Musical episode; The Star Wars episode
S4: N/A - but I did love the interactions between Lizzie and Aurora a lot.

In conclusion, I actually enjoyed the camp and humor of the series. Some of my favorite characters in the TVD Universe are on this show. It wasn't terrible - but it also wasn't great. I firmly believe that it could have been. I just think the mantle of the TVD Universe was holding it back. Had it been just a magical school with magical characters - I think it could have been far more entertaining. And I genuinely think they would have written for their characters development and not for what had come before.