I believe there are two. It's been proven by Vin numbers that don't match the paint scheme in the number. Other reasons it's not Teresas vehicle might include..its.dusty inside. Like it had been sitting for years. Battery issue . It's doubtful the car would start l. We're the cable's left of intentionally? To make sure nobody tried starting it? Broken piece's thrown in the back. Bolts missing and more. Plus the State just took it . Flat out took . it because it proves by itself that it's not Teresa's Rav And Zellner wants to touch DNA a area? Get the truck Kathy! ! This one would be over . But instead we'll get more of the same I'm afraid. Weak moves and minimal requests of the State.

Was Brendan Dassey coeresed? Does the Dassey and Avery family think he was?

Can police legally force a minor to go with a parent they're uncomfortable being around?

I'm lazy at the moment..

I'd like to present a nice bullet list, with each episode's thumbnail, and with a nice italicised description.. but maybe later..

Anyway, those cliffhangers in MaM were like a red bull to watch the next episode. That binge-tv experience.

I think examining each cliffhanger, with a look at the way they are sailed to within the episode, would be interesting. And an awareness of the mood music used and the order of scenes, portrayal of characters and words, etc would be telling.

Tick tock, Docutwats..

Who opened the door between asy and the crime lab. Find out who and you will know who planted the blood.

KZ changed herself from a sprinter to a marathoner already. Is quitter next? It seems inevitable at this point.

I also thing that MaM2 if/when it finally see the light of day will not be kind to the tri-athlete.

Since nobody on the mam sub seems to want to talk about it, I thought I'd ask here..... As I'm banned from mam for a couple more days. The general consensus I'm getting from guilters is thar they simply don't care and don't find it the least bit odd that a phone and business papers were found by searchers near the same area witnesses claimed to have seen a vehicle matching the description of the rav. Colborn was called in (maybe to search the phone for porn) to come retrieve it. Both the phone and "business" papers were recorded as being taken into evidence. Then nothing, no explanation as to whos phone or what business the papers were affiliated with. To this day nobody knows where either piece of seized evidence in the Halbach case is. I know you guilters just think there was nothing to see and that's fine. You are free to speculate it was nothing important. Do you find it at all odd that there is no information about it after it is logged into evidence?

There is a question on TTM about how SuperMaM came to be.

I was one of the first members here but even my memory is murky. The sub was started by Stone and the only real rule was that there were no rules.

As I recall MaM had been taken over by the rogue Reddit admin who started deleting old posts and implemented rules like you couldn’t even refer to another user in anyway (this applied to all three main subs including TTM and SAIG as well). So MaM was handcuffed.

SuperMaM was started and open to anyone with any opinion on the case to discuss in anyway that they wanted without any but the basic Reddit rules.

Obviously that turned into the most ardent and prolific posters on both sides insulting each other here.

In fact Hos was still a real member then (not just a series of alts) and he would specifically come here to insult those he disliked (and vice versa).

However, SuperMaM did really serve a need at that time.

As the rules got more and more relaxed on MaM again all that fighting moved back there (until the recent new rules). So maybe SuperMaM will become the cage again?

Sorry if I have this wrong and feel free to correct as necessary.

I was flicking threw some pages and come across the "official" TickTockManitowoc twitter page. This is hilarious. They tweet about guilters all the time and things said on Reddit from guilters. It is a good laugh. Might go there more often if I need a laugh. Even that Moron i featured on my last post here tweets about guilters. Too funny.

If the term "truther's" ended up in the dictionary. Which one of these would be used as a picture/video reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvItQXG49UQ

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9caOPZLcqo

Feel free to add anyone else who might be up there with these two.

is this something in common with all steve advocates?

i don't think i remember any truther who didn't think Pam knew the RAV4 was there..

are there any that don't?

is it a letter like a character in the alphabet? a red one.

or is it like what you write to send in the mail?
a red envelope? red paper?

what does it mean?

there have been some ridiculous things along the way in this mam reddit journey.

a cult being led by a guy named 'prostitutes need food as well' is pretty ridiculous.

but i think the most ridiculous has been 'checkduhid' and 'sikikey'. these stupid words and the attempts to solve them like riddles will forever be a bright orange cringe in my memories, a sickly acid reflux taste in my mouth

so let me bring them up again

freeryankilgus

Had to put this up somewhere and call this fucker out. This is on the Island sub with the OP "Drizden tweet regarding TH being alive theories"

This is his comment

I know that I will be attacked for saying this but it needs to be said... These school shootings are staged drills that get passed off as real events. People need to understand that nobody got killed or hurt, this was a drill that the media presented as a real event.

This is someone who is a prolific commenter there as well.

Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

We have all heard of some excellent work KZ has done in the past with exonerations of innocent people. I believe majority of people here would applaud that.

Some questions for KZ groupies who believe she can do no wrong

1. Why did she take so long to take this case and why was it only after the success of MaM?
2. How many more times can she say "Stevie will be exonerated by (insert any future date here and keep changing the date)"
3. Why has she changed her original pursuit of exoneration to now just praying for a hearing from any judge?
4. Has she honestly presented anything that shows Stevie could NOT have killed TH?
5. Do you think she could be acting more professional and staying away from her twitter rants?
6. Lastly, do you think she has done an excellent job so far with THIS case?

Feel free to add anything else. Thanks for reading/replying.

I have come to the conclusion that self proclaimed fence sitters are actual SJW's. They believe Stevie is guilty, but believe he had his rights trampled on or something/anything was planted. Even though none of this happened. If any one of those had happened he would be out already.

If only they put that much effort in for the victim.

Also KK was sweaty.

Of Jason Z, reported elsewhere.

These people are idiots.

• One commenter thinks it may be related to the case, "with the latest [Zellner] tweets and all."
• One person says this "new information" makes previous posts about the car he'd listed for sale "interesting to look back at.*
• A bunch of idiots call it "interesting" because that's the word conspiracy idiots use to make accusations without making accusations. One wonders what was "going on" two weeks ago. Another speculates that he's named in Zellner's sealed document filing. "Oh the twists and turns."
• One commenter alleges a conspiracy where JZ is a patsy, killed by 'tptb.' Another chimes in to support the theory.
• One person says "the plot just keeps on thickening." Because it must be related to a 12-year old case, right?
• One person says JZ once said he planned to "come forward and tell what he knew."
• One person fully expects the case to "produce more deaths, illnesses, and suicides (because) karma is real." Another chimes in to indicate they are not surprised.
• One person accuses JZ of destroying evidence, says that since he owned a weapon he's clearly a possible suspect, and asks whether The Zelltard can "get ballistics" on the suicide gun.
• Perry Mason is on the case: "So the obvious implication would be that JZ was the perpetrator and committed suicide as the investigation closed in?"
• One person warns that the biased media and lying police may report that JZ killed Teresa, just to take the heat off The Real Perp™, and advises people to wait to hear from Kathleen Zellner, the only official source of info on ...well, everything, I guess.
• One person theorizes that he was "offed by police," just like his uncle Gene "the pencil" K.

I hope you're proud of yourself, Kathleen.

Here is an opening line from an OP from you know where

I was just reading the thread about 'was surveillance necessary'. There is some interesting commentary about 'the killer'. One person said it was awfully clean, leave no evidence behind, and above all - don't get caught! My head went to: hired killer, possibly a special forces type assassin.

WTF is this? Hired killers now? Special forces?

All to get Stevie... He must be important

A tweet from KZ with a #MoreEvidenceComing

How much more evidence is she going to bring? Who is she showing this new evidence too? When is it time to cut her loses and slink away? What has she got? Is it a bait call to BoD this time?

Unless she is going to start talking away the hard evidence against SA, then she is pushing shit uphill.

#giveItUpAlready

There is a post from the Island calling for more troops to go to battle on MaM. They believe they are losing great minds because the "guilters" bombard them with facts, before they get a chance to hear the fiction.

They are going on a recruitment drive. Check it out at you know where. Here is the OP

Man, I would have loved nothing better than to jump into those posts about the psychics and clairvoyants! I have great interest in that and would LOVE to explore that side of this case more.

But here's the thing - and this is only my opinion, so you can that for what it's worth - there ARE particular subjects that are hot buttons for longtime posters (okay, maybe it's just me):

*TH is still alive (for whatever reason)

*There were two RAVs

*Something to do with cows and GPS (?)

*Psychic and clairvoyants

I may think of and add more The reason I stay away from those subjects, no matter how much I'd like to join in the exploration is that this case is crazy & controversial enough without bringing in theories that are even more questionable. Please bear with me while I try to explain.

Y'all know that I've appointed myself a kind of batshit crazy activist against guilters. It's not because I'm fighting THEM, they are fools, either personally connected to the case or paid to denigrate anything connected to the case. They are to the point that they just outright LIE.

And WE know that. But the new viewers of the documentary DON'T know that they lie. New viewers have come to Reddit looking for further information about the case. And what is the first sub they hit?

The original subReddit. The one with the header that matches the documentary.

Guilters twist everything that we say, everything that Zellner says, they twist everything and they are so desperate that they've begun to outright lie. They also take anything that's discussed here and twist it. The more controversial and "out there" it is, the more they twist it and make us sound crazy.

I know, I know: they're nuts. We should just ignore them. They are everything we say they are and worse.

But they can't be allowed to run rampant without some sort of brake. If someone isn't over there to be the voice of reason, they may convince new people of their twisted version of the truth.

Why does that matter? None of these boards matter in the legal sense, but there is public opinion. And there's the truth ... and people need to know the truth.

So. That's my opinion. It's just an opinion.

Can we stop it already with the .."it could happen to you" mentality..Stevie hit that lottery once, and fucked up and didn't cash in for a few Mil..

Because I want lots of up votes. 😉

There was some rumblings going on over at the island and the Scott Peterson case was mentioned and some TV series that featured him. Kind of like a MaM. I will admit I do not know anything about the SP case and I do not know whether he is guilty or innocent.

However the comments went along the lines of "Just watched this TV show and now I think SP is innocent". Do we see a pattern here? One commenter said they lived in the area at the time of the murders and trial. They said he is GAF. They were then shouted down by the usual rabble. The rabble then went on and blamed the media for convicting SP, cops tunnel vision, not following up on leads.

Then we have people who say "statistically women are more than likely killed by a partner or somebody they know" when it comes to the SA case (so why didn't they investigate RH), but when it applies to the SP case it is called tunnel vision. You can't win with these people. They blame the media for making SP look bad, but are a happy when MaM edit it to make LE look bad.

Anyhoo I want anyone from the island if I am ever charged with something to be on my jury. It is impossible to prove something to them beyond reasonable doubt ever.

Rule One

• You DO NOT talk about Stevie being guilty

Rule Two

• You DO NOT talk about Stevie being guilty

Rule Three

• When someone yell's that TH is still alive, proof of planting, just wait till KZ brings out the real Brief, you up vote it and never question it

Rule Four

• Only 2 suspects can be named and it can't be Stevie or BD

Rule Five

• One Brief at a time, fella's and ladies.

While some rejoice over this tweet and click bait news. Keep in mind this works both ways. Do you know who the State talked to, did a story change? Did a witness for the state come forward? What about letters, what did he say in letters, was it damaging?

POLL TIME : What did you think of MaM

Hi All

There has been some debate about what MaM was really about and what it meant to each individual. Some say it was obviously about the justice system and had nothing to do with whether SA is guilty or not. So I am going to have some responses to what you believe MaM was about. You can pick multiple different answers.

I believe MaM was biased towards Stevie, believed he was innocent and now guilty. It was not about the justice system.

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Ok maybe the reason why TH disappeared was because she was a WEREWOLF! You never know when a werewolf has taken hold.