Hi folks! Was wondering if anyone know when the phone call between SA and his mother Dolores where she ask him «who was the one that did the cat» and «who did the throwing in» ? It’s from CAM episode 2. And while i’m here, is there any other phone calls you guys find very telling or anything?

Thanks!

Not one single person outside of SA and TH (or possible other killer) knows what happened, so we can not operate in 100% certainty. Yes, there is substantial evidence when you look at each piece isolated. When you try to piece together the totality, that is when the questions arise.

My big issue with this case is the obvious due process violations and prosecutorial misconduct. Lenk and Colburn had no business being anywhere near that crime scene. Absolute 6th amendment violation.

Kratz's press conference was an abortion of proper conduct. Prior to voir dire and he is preaching from a pulpit about specifics of the case that should have never been put out in public.

These two issues alone would be enough to make a solid argument for a new trial. Yes, in our justice system there is evidentiary burden, but there are also procedural rules that protect our constitutional rights.

I can find reasonable doubt in almost ever facet of the states case and narrative.

It is a case that is definitely worth healthy debate.

Anybody tried using ChatGPT to parse info from this case? I find it entertaining because I find that it is decently well-versed in all the facts, but clearly is already being trained to buttress claims of innocence.

Here I asked it about alternative suspects, and I asked it specifically to indicate which of them could have had verified contact with TH EVER, and particularly ON THE DAY OF HER DEATH:

Among the alternative suspects in the Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey case, **only Steven Avery** can be definitively proven to have met or had contact with Teresa Halbach on the day of her death, as she visited the Avery Salvage Yard to photograph a vehicle Avery had for sale.

Here’s a breakdown of the alternative suspects and their connection, if any, to Teresa Halbach:

1. **Steven Avery (Convicted)**

• **Proven Contact**: Teresa Halbach had an appointment to meet Steven Avery on October 31, 2005, to photograph a vehicle at the Avery Salvage Yard for *Auto Trader*. Phone records, work logs, and witness testimony from Halbach’s employer confirm that she was scheduled to meet Avery on that day, making him the last known person to see her alive according to the prosecution's case.

• **Key Evidence**: Halbach’s remains and belongings were found on Avery’s property, and her vehicle was discovered in the Avery Salvage Yard.

2. **Bobby Dassey**

• **No Proven Direct Contact**: There is no concrete evidence that Bobby Dassey ever met Teresa Halbach or had direct contact with her. However, Bobby lived on the Avery property and testified that he saw Halbach’s vehicle arrive at the yard on October 31, 2005, around the time of her disappearance. He also claimed to see her walking toward Steven Avery’s trailer but did not see her leave.

• **Points of Interest**: In a recent affidavit (uncovered during post-conviction motions), a delivery driver alleged that he saw Bobby Dassey pushing Teresa Halbach’s vehicle onto the property. This claim, however, has not been definitively proven in court, and Bobby denies involvement.

3. **Scott Tadych**

• **No Proven Direct Contact**: There is no verifiable evidence that Scott Tadych, Brendan Dassey’s stepfather, had any contact with Teresa Halbach on the day of her disappearance or at any other time. His involvement is speculated based on his presence around the area on that day, but no evidence links him directly to Halbach.

• **Points of Interest**: Tadych gave conflicting statements about his whereabouts and timeline on October 31, 2005, but he has not been shown to have had any direct contact with Halbach.

4. **Mike Halbach**

• **No Proven Contact**: Teresa Halbach’s brother, Mike Halbach, had a familial relationship but there is no indication that he had any contact with her on the day she disappeared. His involvement is purely speculative, with no evidence linking him to the crime or placing him near Teresa or the Avery property on the day of her death.

5. **Unknown Third Party**

• **Speculative Contact**: The "unknown third party" theory, suggesting a person or persons who may have killed Halbach and framed Avery, has not been proven with any evidence. There is no confirmed individual in this theory who had direct contact with Teresa Halbach.

6. **Law Enforcement Involvement (Planting Evidence)**

• **No Proven Contact with Halbach**: The theory involving law enforcement planting evidence does not suggest that any law enforcement officials ever had direct contact with Teresa Halbach. Instead, this theory focuses on the idea that Manitowoc County officials planted evidence after her death to frame Avery.

Summary:

Of the alternative suspects, **none can be definitively proven to have ever met or had direct contact with Teresa Halbach**, particularly on the day of her death, except **Steven Avery**. Bobby Dassey claimed to have seen her vehicle arrive, but there is no verified evidence of contact between them. Other suspects, like Scott Tadych and Mike Halbach, have no proven links to Halbach in the context of this crime. The strongest theory of contact remains with Steven Avery, based on her scheduled visit to the Avery Salvage Yard.

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Anyway...I had to ask specifically about contact before it stopped indicating that all those are actually VIABLE alternative suspects.

So, share your AI experiments relative to the case here. Can you get it to build a credible theory of an alternative suspect in Bigfoot or the Chupacabra, or maybe get it to identify Santa Claus?

Just look at the nightmare over there. It's literally Carrie, they're claiming women bleed all over the place and god forbid I've had thirty years of periods without making it a crime scene.

Speaking of crime scenes, this is their most recent argument although nobody has answered why Jodi didn't bleed. It's so gross I don't have words.

I recently saw some minor political scuffling in here, and I also see regular accusations of we sub denizens that we're "all right wing" or "love LE" or whatever. However, my suspicion is we're a reasonably diverse group, united by one thing -- our belief that Steven Avery is guilty AF and should rot in jail before he rots in the fires of hell* where he belongs.

So...here's this quiz, full of super interesting insights. Take it and tell us where you stand on the case and in the Political Typology. I'll start -- Outsider Left.

*I don't believe in hell because, you know, outsidery. But if there is one and you can go there, SA is going there for what he did to TH and his ongoing lifelong lying about it.

Here is the message that his supporter posted.

Steven called me today. He is very upset 😭 and says that the Wisconsin Department of Corrections are putting him in danger. There is a corrupt committee comprised of DOC staff at Fox Lake Correctional Institution who are denying him the right to the bottom bunk. They are targeting Steven by making him climb up a bunk when he has documented issues with his wrist, knees, back and tailbone. Also, he told me he fell down off the top bunk at Waupun a few years ago. The medical department in the Wisconsin Department of Corrections in Fox Lake Correctional Institution should investigated much like there is an active investigation at Waupun Correctional Institution.

I sure hope, the guy in the bottom bunk gets wind of this and gives him a good beat down! Now that would be funny!

Anyone in here read the latest edition by John Ferak? I’m about half-way through right now. Amazon reviews made it appear to be un-biased but I’m not sure I agree.

What are your thoughts?

Edit: It’s incredibly one-sided, but gave it the benefit of the doubt at first, I guess. I just want some new information!

It has screen shots if sites get taken down, screenshots of images and transcripts of videos

If there is anything I should add let me know please ! I want this to be as comprehensive as possible.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-UnDdluw8cAvmXjcDPWqqJxKShGD0Z07-3LwuIliSUc/edit?usp=drivesdk

Just watching “Convicting a Murderer” for the first time. Do they have any new facts about the case, or is it pretty much just a character assassination of Avery? We all know he was a bad guy, but is there anything relevant to the Murder Charges?

Howdy Guardians of Justice! Was just reading on the 'main sub' (finally a new post) that the Avery Salvage Yard has been closed. For those unfamiliar, the ASY was a multiacre auto salvage yard, where TH was abducted, raped, murdered, mutilated and incinerated by Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.
https://imgur.com/PbnHgpX

The ASY was a festering cesspool of child rapists, sexual deviants, and low IQ troglodytes. I'd wager that the ASY turned out more miscreants than the Spahn Ranch did with the Manson Family.

I've been there - and it's super duper creepy. I hope no one is stupid enough to buy the property. The whole place should be bulldozed like the house in 'Carrie'. https://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16600000/Carrie-carrie-1976-16643669-853-480.jpg

Anyone else ever been to the ASY?

Wow - I think I just saw a tumbleweed go by on the 'main sub' and the clock sub. Did they run out of things to bitch about? Or maybe the most obnoxious posters have been banned, and possibly sought psychiatric help.

Not a whole lot of news on Zellner's gigantic bank case that may eat her. She's still staring down a hearing date on cross-Motions for Summary Judgment filed by her and the Bank. She recently filed a Motion asking for a few days' delay in filing some pleadings - the reason is that she is 'lead counsel' on a case set for arbitration. The case title caught my eye: "Castro Law v. JGW Debt Settlement, LLC," a matter pending before the American Arbitration Association in Cleveland, Ohio. I think JGW is J.G. Wentworth, the litigation lending outfit with all the TV commercials.

Could it be that Kathleen Zellner has now developed a new specialty? Is she now an expert at helping law firms avoid paying back high interest rate loans secured by litigation proceeds or settlements? AWESOME!

Hearing on the Bank's Summary Judgment Motion is still set for Sept 5.

Hi everyone! I am someone who don’t live in america, and was just wondering if there is somewhere online to find information about the case ? ( I have watched the convicting a murderer documentary and really hope they make a season 2!)

Thank you for response!

Only listened to ones that think he’s innocent.

How's it hanging? About the same time that Kathleen Zellner, noted boastful failure, picked up the Steven Avery case, a sure loser that she had turned down multiple times until it got its own TV show, Zellner also picked up the Melissa Calusinki case, a newsworthy case of a babysitter who confessed to murdering a child by hurling the child to the floor in a fit of anger.

Like the Avery case, the Calusinki case got the full Zellner treatment. Hysterical screeching, made up evidence, snarky tweets, and faux righteous indignation (but not shockingly, zero compassion for the victim or the victim's family). Unsupported and wild allegations were flying. However, like the Avery case, despite all of Zellner's promises to fight on, etc etc, the case has withered on the vine like the rest of Zellner's cases. It's hard times for Zellner's clients it seems.

But despite all the snark, all the pledges and all the promises to litigate the case to the ends of the Earth to achieve 'justice' for Melissa Calusinski, Zellner has now dismissed all of Calusinki's pending legal activities attacking her murder conviction.

Instead, Zellner has decided to beg the Governor for clemency. From a roar to a whimper. Another humiliating defeat.

Filed today in the Circuit Court 07-02-2024 Request Additional text: Request that the court dismiss defendant Avery's Second Amended Motion for Scientific Testing.

Happy Friday! I was looking over the Summary Judgment Motion filed by Kathleen Zellner and her law firm. As you might remember, a bank is suing Zellner and her firm to recover more than $21M which is owed pursuant to a series of loans Zellner took out at 39-45% interest rate.

Boy did I have it wrong! Zellner's not some white collar deadbeat. She's crusading for justice! From Zellner's Motion for Summary Judgment:

"Suisse Bancorp, Inc. (“SBC”) is a predatory lender. For over 20 years, SBC has been
engaged in lending money at exorbitant – and illegal – interest rates. Most of SBC’s loans are
directed at people of limited means who often lack the ability to repay the loan and the
resources to defend a collection lawsuit. Indeed, SBC’s business model is premised on the
reality that many of its borrowers will be unable to challenge its unlawful practices. Unlike most of SBC’s victims, however, Kathleen Zellner has the resources necessary
to challenge SBC’s unlawful practices. She now seeks an order from this Court �inding that
SBC’s practices violate Illinois law, that SBC’s claims against her fail as a matter of law, and
that Zellner is entitled to millions in damages from SBC.

Between 2007 and 2009, SBC made thirteen loans to Zellner totaling $841,000.
Zellner repaid SBC over $2 million on those loans. And yet, SBC is now before this Court
seeking an additional $16-21 million from Zellner and her law �irm, KTZA. Let that sink in for
a moment: SBC loaned Zellner $841,000; SBC was repaid $2 million; and now claims an
additional $16-21 million is required to pay off the $841,000 in loans. That type of
predatory lending is illegal. The interest rate on SBC’s loans to Zellner was 45%. That violates
the Illinois Interest Act, which caps interest at 5% per year (or 9% if the parties agree to that
rate). 815 ILCS 205/4. SBC tries to avoid that cap by pretending its loans to Zellner were
either: (1) authorized under the Illinois Consumer Installment Loan Act (“CILA”), 205 ILCS
670/1 et seq.; or (2) commercial loans to KTZA (and thus excluded from the Interest Act).
However, t ry as it might, SBC cannot legally enforce loans that were illegal at their inception
and remain usurious. Indeed, SBC’s former owner (i.e., the person who made the loans to
Zellner) now admits the loans were (and remain) illegal."

In conclusion, Zellner asks the Court:

"For the reasons set forth herein, Defendants respectfully move this Court to grant
summary judgment in their favor on SBC’s claim, and grant summary judgment in favor of
Kathleen Zellner on her First Counterclaim, award damages of $39,443,118, and allow
Zellner 21 days to submit a fee petition. Defendants also ask for such other relief as the Court
deems appropriate and just."

Wow - did I have it wrong! She's not a pathetic deadbeat with no integrity, she's fighting for everyone! It's not that she doesn't want to pay the $21M back, it's that the Bank actually owes her $39M!!

Ever heard the phrase that some people ruin it for everyone? Kathleen Zellner is that person. Rather than pay back money that she was lent and keep her promises like an honorable person would, instead she plots and schemes and does her lawyer thing to not only try and not pay any of it back, but actually to seek damages from the Bank that lent her money when she needed it. She's the one people mean when they say they hate lawyers.

PATHETIC.

Greetings fellow muppet kickers! I've been seeing A LOT of press conferences in the last few days about all the murders committed by illegal immigrants. In every case, the local prosecutor has a series of press conferences detailing the crime, the investigation, the suspect, and the fruits of searches of the suspect's phone and possessions.

SAY WHAT? I thought it was muppet law that if a prosecutor, let's call him Ken Kratz, has a press conference about the details of a crime, that's jury tampering, the suspect can therefore not get a fair trial, and all charges must be dismissed.

WOW - guess the muppets were wrong!

Shalom! Hearing on the cross Motions for Summary Judgment in the collection case where Zellner and her law firm are getting sued for $21M+ is set for September 5, 2024. My prediction is that the bank's will get granted, Zellner's will get denied, and a very large judgment will be entered against her and her firm shortly thereafter.

I also see that the Judge lifted the page restriction on the Motions. He may regret that! :)

Howdy peeps! I was strolling through the tire fire that is the 'main sub'. Someone posted an article about Melissa Calusinski, noted very bad babysitter, getting a clemency hearing. The post was titled:

'Making a Murderer 2' Super Lawyer Kathleen Zellner Secures Clemency Hearing for Melissa Calusinski.

So when you open the article, it does indeed specify that Melissa Calusinski will get a clemency hearing, but NOWHERE in the entire article is Kathleen Zellner even mentioned. And this is the same rag that employs noted Zellner fanboy Jonathan Freak.

But what also amused me is what the spider said - he said "Huh it's almost as if Guilters who say she is an incompetent attorney are completely full of shit."

Just to be clear, there is no lawyer required to get a clemency hearing. EVERYONE who files the right paperwork gets a clemency hearing. Apparently Zellner did indeed file the paperwork, after having let the case sit for 6 years or so, but anyone, including pro se convicts, automatically get a hearing if the paperwork is correct. Actually now that I say it I'm surprised she didn't find a way to mess it up.

The doofus continues: "She just won a big step towards winning the Melissa Calusinsky case."

So sorry spider - it doesn't prove anything about Zellner's competency as a lawyer. This is not a 'success' of any kind. She didn't 'win' anything.

I really wanted to try to understand the timeline but it seems like everyone is a liar so nothing makes sense. Both making a murderer and convicting a murderer seem to show very vague and confusing timelines. I read an article online with various evidence sources and that’s just as confusing. It even shows Steven’s call records to be totally different to what was shown in both documentaries.

I believe Steven is most likely guilty but I think the story of what exactly happened remains to be hidden and I don’t understand why, it bothers me having so many unanswered questions. It bothers me even more than everyone just seems to be constantly lying for no apparent reason.

If there are any good videos or articles with this sort of information please do share!

Howdy peeps! It's getting close to Summary Judgment Motion filing time in Zellner's $21M+ loan collection case.

It occurred to me that if the Bank gets a large judgment against Zellner, one of the things that the Bank will attach would be any legal fees received by Zellner or her firm from working on the Avery case. So even in the unlikely event that Zellner or her firm would ever receive money from the Steven Avery case, it would be taken by the Bank and applied to the judgment she owes.

So why would Zellner even continue to bother? Her conduct in taking out these loans has made her a person who cannot make a penny off the Avery case. Sounds like a problem to me.

IS WHAT WE WOULD BE SAYING had Kathleen Zellner, noted minimally educated carnival barker, elected NOT to prematurely file yet another ridiculous PCR Motion. Had she not done so, she would be free to request additional testing all over the place for the RAV4.

Instead the RAV4 sits in an evidence lockup. For a few more years. It can't be tested now because Zellner can't file a Motion requesting the testing - because she chose to put her case in front of the appellate court instead of asking the trial level court for the additional testing she wants and has told all of us is so vitally important.

She'll likely get her testing, after the Appellate Court is finished with the case.

Make good choices Kathleen! LOL.

Hey Hey Hey! Was walking past the insane asylum recently when I noticed a post touting an article from a WI "professional" journal for lawyers which had a poll to see if Steven Avery should be given an "evidentiary hearing". Overwhelmingly, the respondents said that he should, which was immediately used as proof by the muppets that Steven should get an "evidentiary hearing".

I have a lot of suspicions about this 'professional journal'. I have seen a few comments it made about Kratz that were anything but 'professional'. Basically, it was muppet level rudeness and ignorance.

That being said, I couldn't help but notice the rehabilitation of Wisconsin lawyers! Muppets have spent almost a decade now bashing Wisconsin lawyers as stupid because they don't need to pass the State bar examination if they graduate from a WI law school.

But now they use these same "diploma-privileged morons" as proof that learned and scholarly professionals all agree that Steven should get an "evidentiary hearing".

Interesting how the muppet standards change depending on their current temporary positions.

Congrats on the promotion WI lawyers!!!

So I had an exchange with Muggins this week on the main sub where he called me a liar. So I thought I would just share this exchange with all of you to see what you think.

So this is what Muggins is saying this week on a post titled “A Guide To Determining When to Trust a Court” on the main sub. This is the exchange I had with him there.

Me: But aren’t you the same guy who thinks Chad Daybell was also framed??? Using the very same poor logic. Maybe this is just a big conspiracy in your head.

Muggins: You shouldn’t be surprised that a Guiltier alt account is a liar. I have no idea who Daybell is.

Muggins: No I don’t have any clue who Chad Daybell is.

Me: OMG! 😆 you were just talking about him 36 days ago! And now you’re acting like you don’t even know who Chad Daybell is ….do you need me to show you the comments?

Muggins: Yes please do.

Now this is what Muggins said just this last month. On the post titled “Firepit identification” this is what that post says: I would strongly encourage anyone who claims to have doubts about this to watch the testimony on Tyler Ryan’s remains in the Chad Daybell trial. It’s heartbreaking.

Now this is what Muggins said in the comments of this post just 36 days ago.

Muggins: How many days of searching the same area before the bones in that case miraculously appeared in 2-5 locations?

Me: So you believe the police and the FBI planted the children’s remains on Chad’s property???

Muggins: If they had a warrant searching the area every day for months then absolutely. Any reasonable person would come to that conclusion.

Me: Now that’s funny!

Someone please get this man some help. He can’t even remember people or what he says anymore.

'Sup fellow defenders of the truth - I was just taking a trip to Muppetland when I ran across a very simple and straightforward point I'd never considered - in light of all the difficulty in obtaining, storing, transporting and planting Steven's fresh blood in the RAV4, why didn't the planter just use his hair?

In philosophy, Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor; Latin: novacula Occami) is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements.

Steven's hair is far more accessible than his fresh blood. Someone wanting to plant evidence against Steven and who broke into his trailer to do so would certainly have gone for Steven's hairbrush instead of looking in the sink for fresh blood. A few wisps of hair from the hairbrush and you've got everything you need!

So, to believe the Zellner/Avery narrative, you'd have to believe that the evidence planter chose to use blood rather than hair for evidence planting. Given the difficult and complexity of using blood, coupled with the reality that at most times Steven's blood was inside Steven's body and no guarantee of being able to find any blood outside his body (and fresh at that!), it make NO SENSE that an evidence planter would not instead have used Steven's hair, which would have been readily available from his personal hairbrush inside his trailer.

Hail and Well Met! Noted attorney and likely owner of a lower 5th percentile credit score Kathleen Zellner has asked the Court in her bank case (you know, the one where the bank is suing her for more than $21M because of loans she took out at 39-45% interest, and she refused to pay she said because the interest rate was illegally high) to seal the Exhibits submitted in support of the parties' Summary Judgment Motions, and thereby keep them from outside prying eyes like us. She says that the materials will include confidential financial information and deposition transcripts. No decision has been made on that request yet (which was made jointly with the bank), and the case is next in Court on June 24 to set some dates for Summary Judgment Motions (which Zellner will lose).

The Judge should refuse to grant it, but probably will because it's a joint request. The public has a right to know about what's being litigated in its Courts. If/when Zellner files for bankruptcy (I got $20 that says it happens within a year) her bankruptcy schedules will be available for all to see, so why not now?

For those who were waiting for this to be available somewhere other than on Daily Wire, Convicting A Murderer is apparently now available to purchase on Amazon and AppleTV/iTunes:

https://www.amazon.com/Convicting-a-Murderer/dp/B0CKBLCTVG/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

https://tv.apple.com/us/show/convicting-a-murderer/umc.cmc.1tm7uwo4nydih5ngxf2vy3mc7

Asking for a friend. Thanks!!!

DEMAND for Kathleen T. Zellner to withdraw PERJURED AFFIDAVIT

As you will recall, Kathleen T. Zellner, noted licensed Illinois attorney and insolvent individual, has tendered an additional affidavit to the Court and has asked for leave to make it part of the current PCR Motion. This is the affidavit of Tom C. Buresh, who came forward on May 10, 2023 to claim that he personally witnessed Bobby Dassey driving the victim's car.

Dogs has done a magnificent job of documenting Tom C. Buresh's twitter and internet participation in the Free Steven Avery movement, and has uncovered proof right out of Buresh's mouth that he is lying.

Buresh's affidavit, at Paragraph 14 - "I do not know any of the Avery or Dassey family members personally..." [emph. added].

Dogs has uncovered a tweet from Buresh on his own account from 5 weeks ago that says:

"We all love you Steven. You have the best in your corner and will never stop until your freedom is restored. Your strength is inspiring. We will go fishing again in Amberg." [emph added]. The message is followed by a smile sunglasses emoji, which is described as being used to 'express a confident attitude'.

So looks like fanboy Buresh took the next step and submitted a false affidavit in support of his friend Steven Avery, a guy whom he swore in his affdavit that he didn't even know but says in his tweet 5 weeks ago that he knows him, has gone fishing with him in Amberg, and hopes to go fishing with him again.

Kathleen T. Zellner now has actual knowledge from the affiant's own mouth that his affidavit is perjured. As a licensed Illinois attorney and familiar with how disciplinary proceedings work, I demand that you withdraw this perjured affidavit.

By tendering this perjured affidavit, at least now with full knowledge that it's perjury, Zellner is violating several Rules of Professional Conduct:

1. RPC 3.1 states: "A lawyer shall not bring or defend a proceeding, or assert or controvert an issue therein, unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous..."
2. RPC 3.3(a)(1 and 3): (a) A lawyer shall not knowingly: (1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer;
3. (3) offer evidence that the lawyer knows to be false. If a lawyer, the lawyer's client, or a witness called by the lawyer, has offered material evidence and the lawyer comes to know of its falsity, the lawyer shall take reasonable remedial measures, including, if necessary, disclosure to the tribunal. A lawyer may refuse to offer evidence, other than the testimony of a defendant in a criminal matter, that the lawyer reasonably believes is false.

Ball's in your Court Zellner. If you want to keep your law license you will withdraw Buresh's perjured affidavit, apologize to the Court and opposing counsel, and run a curative article with Ferak. If you fail to do so, expect an ARDC Complaint and a criminal referral. You've been warned.

Some things I've noticed "truthers" say to and about "guilters" the past 6 months.

1. a truther told a guilter to volunteer their self to be the body in a fire to get a sense of the smell a burning body makes

2. a truther told a guilter the guilter likes to be raped by Kratz.

3. a truther called a guilter a moron.

4. a truther called a many guilters brain dead clowns.

5. a truther called a guilter a Kratz clone.

6. a foul play staff member flipped off a guilter live on air.

7. a truther told a guilter to provide a source stating Colborn did not rape Teresa.

8. many truthers deny the fact that Marie was raped because Avery wasn't arrested for it.

9. a truther called a guilter a raping c**t.

10. a truther told a guilter to "die bastard"

Does this help their cause of getting Avery and Dassey out of prison?