Just watched Convicting a Murderer, and I have ?s!

In one jail call, Steven calls Jodi when she’s with Delores in Rollys trailer going through crap. At some point Jodi mentions being afraid of Chucky bla bla bla. Then Steve says something that caught me off guard.

He says to Jodi, if Chucky messes with you, say to him “at least I didn’t have sex with my sister” (it may have been sleep with my sister, but the point it’s obvious either way) Weird but not shocking.

Also , someone called about the van listed in auto trader after Teresa went missing. How did it get there.? That was in a convo from Delores & she tells multiple people. Is there anything you can add to this unjust shit show?

I was doing a deep dive again, I decided to go over the MSN Messages for the date 2/27/06.

I know it was a debate at some point , was it Bobby, but the time and location of the two other Dassey brothers are known.

Brendan Dassey

Barb Janda

Blaine Dassey

They stay at Fox Hills overnight. The conversations taking place, Bobby appears to be making those he is chatting with, that all 3 brothers are present.

https://foulplay.site/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/1-Steven-Avery/HelpfulResearchFilesmadebyMembers/MSN-chats-Dassey-PC-Joriz.xlsx

This a snap shot of the conversation on 2/27/05 as you would notice this conversation is taking place at around 2am-3am , which Bobby would be awake around ( Internal Clock) since his body was in tune with 3rd shift hours.

Also, as mentioned Barb, Brendan, and Blaine are at Fox Hills, they stay the night, because LE suggested the family may retaliate, for them speaking on SA.

The interesting thing is :

The message states " Call my brothers cell phone" this is Bobby's Cell , the other 2 brothers are at Fox Hills, in this section of conversation, he's indicating he's not Bobby.

The user replying to Bobby, appears to hit a nerve, and he shuts down and want's depart the conversation. Another observation , she says why do always lie, indicating she has spoken to him before about things, and he lied. Just an observation.

Interesting enough the Andy lolz, is an older male , well into his 50's possibly.

If Andy lolz in the chat, is who I think it is, He's connected to Griesbach family , a friend. Does the last name ring any bells? Why is this guy, sitting in a chat with 14/15 girls, and possibly boys? This wouldn't be the first time they were exposed to this, Blaine's boss as well.

Now the takeaway with this is, why would Bobby be impersonating his brothers? What this a ploy he used , so he can rope himself into the conversation, just seems Bobby used his brothers accounts, to talk to these girls.

Travis F does make appearances in the chat, just throwing it out there.

What's your opinion on this , fellow Web Sleuth's? I had to reformat the post because I couldn't put the chat snap shots physically into the post for some reason.

https://www.htrnews.com/story/news/crime/2024/08/05/manitowoc-man-53-investigated-for-child-pornography-stalking-drugs/74625087007/

The attorneys failed to review the Dassey computer, trusting Ken Kratz’s words instead. They didn’t need to name a Denny; it would have been obvious. Had they taken the right approach, the trial could have been completely overturned, putting the ball in their court. Even if it took longer to get the right software, two innocent men wouldn’t be serving life sentences now. It makes one wonder if this was done deliberately to stop something that could have proven their innocence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just had a few questions, still trying to go through old post but thought id ask.

I know avery is waiting for coa to rule but is there any updates in regards to dassey? Does he have any ootions left at this point.

Are bd and st still together?

Has anyone that is involved made any kind of comments or inteviews?

Is evidence to test still being withheld from kz

Thanks

Fuck kk, mw and tf

I decided to go over this, because more I dug into what Mark H was saying.

Someone else might have mentioned him, but I am exploring a possibility, so work with me here lol. Also, if you are good at finding information, I would appreciate whatever you share on this post.

Mark H: Oct 30th 2005: Approximately 9:30pm/10pm he said he spoke TH.

( He mentions: Teresa mentioned seeing SA in a file footage run on TV about his multimillion-dollar lawsuit) I found this odd, because I probably think TH knew of TH other than the lawsuit ( When he was exonerated? Avery made headlines prior to the lawsuit)

What stuck out to me, was this : TH username , said she has an appointment with Steven Avery on Oct 31st.

The strange thing is, SA didn't make the appointment till Oct 31st, and even so, SA had no contact with TH about this appointment prior to Oct 31st.

I don't find TH username mentioning an appointment, but adding (Steven Avery) It appears to add (appointment (with) Steven Avery)

Now, we all initially might of said, No way TH knew this information, and some dismissed it, but acknowledged it. I have a new take on it :

Mark H mentions we were suppose to resume speaking on Halloween at 8pm.

Mark H used 3 different usernames in the Wisconsin Chat Rooms, why 3? II don't find this mysterious , compared to what im claiming.

Mark H wasn't speaking to TH, She was speaking to someone who had prior knowledge of a appointment that was discussed and knew Steven Avery would be handling it.

It's as someone behind the screen ( TH Username) wanted to insure that TH went out to the ASY and had this appointment specifically with Steven Avery.

So when asked did TH have any type of plans for the day after work, Apparently to speak with Mark H.

Heres the kicker , Guess who is Mark H neighbor? D.Morrow ( an appointment she would had on Oct 31st, but was cancelled I believe by Morrow.

Why would someone pretend to be TH? For someone to have this knowledge on the 30th, it would be someone on the salvage yard. Feels, just a hunch, its like the MSN Messenger M.Avery were receiving. Someone pretending to act as SA, just as someone acting like TH.

So, Why would someone pretend to be her?

Other possibility :

Someone assumed TH had an appointment with SA, since someone looked at her planner a day before. ( I believe the planner was printed out Oct 30th)

(Ryan Hillegas was over Oct 30th, and stated TH was on the computer, and looked natural and nothing seemed wrong. )

This scenario is very low on my scale of possibility.

Did Zellner find photos of TH on the Dasseys PC?

Is it possibility, these photos were used to catfish Mark H? But why?

So the question , what do we know about Mark H? and what do we know about the information he shared?

SA Lawyers to raise questions on the evidence collected, So here it goes...

TH infamous Motorola Razor Cellphone was bought on 8/30/2005, Activation of the phone occurred on 8/30/2005. Exhibit-380-TH-Cingular-Contract.pdf

TH appeared not to be bothered by SA, this indicated by friends. They told her be careful going to the ASY. Friends said TH thought SA was a nice guy.

No Friends, LE, or any documents state that TH had a different phone prior to this date.

The phone found on Ridge Rd is it possible , this is TH old phone prior to the Motorola Razor Cellphone? Any documents indicating what was on the actual phone?

Interesting enough , TH with the new cellphone, also had a sim card included. Exhibit-379-TH-Cell-Phone-Receipt.pdf

So where was TH old phone? What kind did she have? And with a new sim, did she lose her contacts? Appears though the number remained the same.

They never questioned the documentation of TH's banking statements.

TH's photography business has her house address? According to her banking document.

TH's personal bank account had a Monroe Address, in Green Bay. Did her bank documents go somewhere else? or anything pertaining to her bank accounts would mailed to this address? It's never clarified. 2005-TH-Bank-Documents.pdf (foulplay.site)

I don't know how to read this, of course it's Chucks handwriting. 2005-11-05-Chuck-Avery-Written-Statement.pdf (foulplay.site)

He keeps saying " The Girl "

He says , The day The Girl came to take pictures of the Dodge Mini Van. Steven went down to the trailer house he is staying in with The Girl*. I don't know if Steven was in The Girls car or he took his own.*

Chuck says SA was gone for 10 minutes? He claims he didn't see The Girl who normally take the pictures before or after.

Why mention you don't if he was in The Girls car or took his own? Well, if you didn't see her before, it's clear he took his, correct?

Why referencing females by "The Girl" .

Is he calling Jodi The Girl in the first sentence? And TH the girl in the second? Read the report and give your opinion on it.

SA informed of an AT photographer , coming to the salvage yard ( implies he wasn't concealing the appointment, neither did he claim she never came to Chuck.

The above notion is even Chuck was aware someone was taking pictures on the ASY. He didn't know her name, which leads to me to believe SA never talked much about her.

Chuck states he was at the ASY all day on Oct 31st and Earl.

In an interview with SA in Crivitz, he clearly states TH hasn't been in his trailer.

SA also states he spoke to Bobby at 12pm, he stopped by Barbs house and spoke to Bobby. (LE never asked what they talked about, nor did lawyers present this to Bobby)

Why is the detail odd? Because Bobby had the chance to tell SA that TH would be there around 2. (LE never ask Bobby why didn't inform SA that TH will be there around 2.

In Crivitz he never implicates Bobby, he just says he doesn't know when Bobby left, he said might have been shortly after TH left or in the middle of the interaction with getting the Magazine from TH.

Notes taken from Crivitz Interview

Tues went to work as normal. Jodi on the phone around 7pm/8pm

Weds at work.

Thursday morning he goes to Fondu lac , WI, with Earl. 6am-2pm. They drove the flatbed/Auction.

( Thursday leaves SA trailer vulnerable, he is gone with Earl half the day , and the evening he goes to Menards.)

Thurs night Dad went to Crivitz.

Friday 8-5pm work. Loaded Flatbed, TV ( Ma's)

Earl and SA sighting at the pit , between 1pm -3pm. He estimates he did this for 5 mins.

11/9 Chuck interview ( Audio)

Why does LE tell Chuck there was no damage to the RAV? They said it was perfectly fine, nothing wrong with it. Why lie? Also Chuck seems a bit confused when they say this.

I will post more later and end it here for now!

Avery's Lawyers Failed To Debunk The States Timeline Errors

I made a typo on the Headline, My Apologies!

I glanced over some documents, and I think Earl actually disrupts the States timeline.

Earl states He helped SA with his TV on 10/31-11/1

Either date, leaves SA only the night of 10/31 to clean the trailer, move the RAV 4.

Earl NEVER mentions seeing anything odd in SA trailer, and Earl never mentions anything odd about the garage (Where the TV was stored)

People mention SA bedroom was rearranged easy explanations:

The TV being put in, maybe needed to set near a working outlet. Maybe this why things had to be moved around. (We all have been through this, we go and plug something, and a dead outlet, or the cord to the item is to short.

Avery is not mentioned missing any other day of work, just half day Monday, I don't see any other day he missed.

This limits Avery in daytime hours to a lot of moving around, He would had 5pm and on..

Brendan had a less than few hours, to commit crime with SA, Clean up of trailer and garage, before Earl enters the garage the next day/Trailer next day.

Avery barely called TH , he followed protocol , he called AT , ( This going back into TH call record )

So on OCT 31 , if he wanted to lure TH , wouldn't he call her directly? He called AT unblocked, and called back AT , which is on AT call record.

Misconception he called AT and make the appointment in Barbs name.

Avery explains this,

He didn't want to make the appointment; he was only there to pay.

He wanted Barb to make it, she has made appointment in the past, and Avery handled the appointment. Example: two cars photographed, was listed under Tom Janda's account.

This gets interesting, Tom Janda account was for those selling vehicles from Barbs house. Her house number was listed under this account. If someone was interested in the vehicle running the ad, the number listed would be Barbs. So, if the buyer had any questions, they could contact the seller directly, instead of SA.

The same would go for SA if he listed a vehicle, he had a account in his name, his number, and if the seller was interested, they contact him.

What is overlooked about this appointment? The Van needing to be jumped. If SA asked Bobby to jump the van, Bobby would have needed the van keys to perform the task.

This leads to the idea if she needed to check the odometer as SA said, she would of have to make contact with Bobby, didn't happen, but IF she needed to , So Bobby was part of this appointment as well.

Bobby states with Eric Loy, The van was set. (How would he known this unless he was part of getting the van ready for the appointment.)

SA lawyers failed to acknowledge, Chuck spoke with AT the week prior, He told Earl, he talked to her, the lady from AT, she was looking SA. (Implying if TH) Why would she call? If she didn't like SA or didn't want to go there?

SA lawyers failed to connect the shell casings from SA's gun , could have been easily collected from where he was sighting guns with Earl, someone could have been aware of this. (This might explain the shell casing didn't have concrete dust, from jack hammering the concrete, and not being found after 5/6 months, a half a year.

The lawyers failed, to show the jury, Bobby's alibi is not for hunting, he was seen on 147, not accompanied when hunting. Scott T same thing, his alibi could be collaborated with the hospital. CASO 2017 indicates they wanted to check CCTV for the hospital 12 years later.

( I have become critical of alibi's since people have been hard on SA's, but SA was on ASY, all others can't even provide a solid alibi for hours on end.)

Lawyers didn't fight these to connect to Brendan ( even though his confession wasn't used, Brendan technically could be mentioned.)

Lawyers could mentioned, Brendan has Hemophobia. He mentions passing out from a shot, for a school's field trip. He mentions seeing the blood, made him pass out I believe?

( Same guy who cleaned SA garage floor of TH's , and stabbed her in the stomach of the garage)

I will stop there, I will make another post in a few days on this!, Feel Free to Add any info!

NOV 4th :

Bobby drops Blaines off at his friends Jason house. ( Blaine slept over)

Bobby is informed about a Deer on the road, and he goes to get it tagged. Date correct?

But...when did Bobby leave for Crivitz? or he didn't go? SA went with his mom right?

Bobby and SA were together on Nov 4th right at some point? Chuck calls about lights, and SA and Bobby hop into the F-150 to go check it out.

Nov 5th SA is in Crivitz correct?

So I'm confused, Barb didn't go to Crivitz? Because she said, she was with Bobby when he got the Deer, and was with him when he skinned it, right?

So on Nov 4th, who left for Crivitz?

Anybody have the Aug 29 calls ? TH phone records indicate nothing for that day. I was wondering anyone could explain that to me? ( Please)

It's been a while now sense any news on the Avery case ! Dose anyone have any up dates.Or is the state still stalling ?

I get it, there are certain words that triggers certain people in that sub, so the mods in there had to pander to these certain groups to make sure they don't get hurt and get offended. So they censor these words and it gets deleted automatically to ensure these groups doesn't get their feelings hurt.

I would just like to know what these words are in advance to prevent my post from getting deleted automatically.

I know you can't say the following:

• Flowers - because that triggers a certain group.

• Trump - I guess that triggers them as well so the mods had to make sure the other group are safe and sound . I just found that out today.

What else are banned there to ensure the other group feels comfortable and safe?

Puppies?

Kittens?

Tom Hanks?

Oh god the horror of Tom Hanks! That's gotta be in there!

The sign is between Manitowoc and Two Rivers along Lake Michigan.

I was in Manitowoc the other day and there is a billboard supporting Steven Avery.

I was reading Jason’s Mothers interview about Nov 4th.

She states Blaine stayed over her house , Friday night. She found it odd but she knows her son is good friends with Blaine.

She states , she believes Bobby , his brother was the one who dropped him off.

Was he questioned about being in Bobby’s vehicle ? Was it confirmed it was Bobby was the one who dropped him off?

Nothing’s changed.

After 10/10 TH gets calls from 1882, traces back to a Delores H. Im going with the number was under DH cell phone plan.

DH to my knowledge has no connection to TH, vice versa.

DH relative is Courtney S, and she is linked to RF, I don't see her having any other connections.

DH location in 2005 puts this area in a prime area of interest.

Any ideas or theories?

Does anyone remember this case? I’ve been searching and I can’t find anything. All I can see is the murderer is living in a fancy house on Lake Winnebago.

https://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2024/05/07/manitowoc-county-facing-6m-budget-deficit-may-raise-taxes/73415614007/

Chairman Bob Z. The person who can look in the eyes of Steven Avery and determine guilt-but isn't intelligent enough to realize the costs of funding government operations WILL rise every year. Holding back on tax increases for over a decade is as ignorant as claiming Avery is guilty because of the look in his eyes.

Edit; I mistook Bob Z for Jim B. I'm guilty of a wrongful accusation-but nobody was convicted and sentenced to prison as a result of my error. 😉

I hope everyone has better government leaders than what this clown has shown himself to be.

Here are some of the questions that have no satisfactory answers.

When Ted Perry of Fox 6 News asked Dean Strang how he felt about sexual predator Kratz's forced resignation Strang replied, "I was really sad about it. Really sad about it. Ken is not a bad human being at the end of the day. He made mistakes."

Why did Dean Strang vouch for Ken Kratz's good character in spite of Kratz's unethical prosecutorial conduct and his history of sexual assault?

Why did Dean Strang queer Avery's venue change in favor of Manitowoc county?

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting select an MTSO deputy juror and another juror who was the spouse of a Manitowoc County clerk? Seven other potential jurors without conflicts were available.

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting fail to ever visit and interview Brendan? Brendan was an eyewitness to Avery's innocence. He should have been interviewed and supported instead of being thrown to the wolves. Disgraceful and infuriating.

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting sit on Bobby Dassey's hard drive for 7 weeks and never bother to look at it? The drive was in the form of an Encase image file. Free software available on the Encase website was all that was needed to mount and read the volume.

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting fail to object when Kratz closed with "reasonable doubt is for innocent people?"

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting fail to introduce the information that three piles of cut and burned human bones were discovered on Manitowoc County property?

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting never demand the unedited flyover video?

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting fail to subpoena anyone's phone records? Or anything else? No subpoenas were issued.

Why did Dean Strang & Jerome Buting never hire a blood spatter expert?

Why did Dean Strang open with the statement that, "the police didn't kill her, obviously?"

When circumstantial evidence keeps piling on top of circumstantial evidence, at some point, it becomes overwhelming. It should be obvious to everyone. Dean Strang & Jerome Buting were ringers for the prosecution.

https://youtu.be/0a-SJ_vfSis?si=Juy6NAqn8Fn0h7_f

I don’t put much faith in psychics or mediums, but I came across this vid the other day and it gave me chills. The psychic reveals what TH told her about her murder, claiming that a Dassey brother (NOT Brendan) and another guy (was it MO?) assaulted her after signaling for her to pull over. She was r*ped, punched in the face and knocked out. In and out of consciousness, she heard one of the guys say they should call his dad’s friend who is a cop. Hmmmm….

I emailed KZ with concerns about certain 2RAV theories this morning and within 90 minutes she posted this on Twitter.

https://preview.redd.it/pspsw0lsqi0d1.jpg?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f84501b5fb63d6a09ec15d4c3ef2494bec5a42af

Breakdown :

GZ was a drunk , so crazy behavior was nothing new out of GZ.

GZ had was or had an investigation about illegal part/stolen and something where paperwork didn't match the vehicles info. ( AC says this in his Netflix Case paperwork)

AC was told not to engage but he was scoping what vehicles were at GZ, AC might have not engaged due to the fact they knew GZ was armed and was a drunk. He was known by LE.

( ASY appt first or GZ?)

Well, according to cell records, Ex.072 TH cell records, She received a call from a Elton G. ( He speaks Spanish and German) He's educated , and appears to be African and American, or Spanish mixed with German. This call is around the Zips call.

( The phone call is just observing someone who speaks Espanol and German)

Zips to ASY is 13 mins. Phone call with Zips apparently was at 2:12/2:13..

SA says the call at 2:25, which is about the time TH was taking a picture in front of the van. Indicating she was their a little earlier than 2:25.

First thing is, directions to ASY from Zips has her going from CTH BB all the way up to 147 and make a left. If she called Zips, she would ping at CTH BB, but may have been heading to ASY. ( With this, it would explain how she reached ASY before 2:25)

The directions from ASY to Zips, has her taking a left ( which SA stated) onto 147 and down HWY Q, back on HWY 310 etc)

It's possible she went to Zips last, and the correct ( more clear) address of Zips was given by AT , this is the phone call , the context of the call what changed to be about SA, but was about Zips address.

TH when arriving to ASY she already hops out the vehicle and starts taking pictures of the van. ( Something indicates she already knew what vehicles she was taking pictures of )

This is vital because, Why would she need to ask Zips wife where is the vehicle, when LE notes indicate you can see Jason Z vehicle from the road.

Her ping hits at HWY310/End of HWY 310 on her way leaving the area.

Things to consider :

A Bag of pamphlets was found at Zips ( This was TH last day with AT, she would given Zips the rest of the pamphlets since she wouldn't need them anymore)

AC states in his Netflix Case , a note was found on Jason Z vehicle, from TH.

This note might indicate TH was saying who to contact from then on if interested , since she wasn't going to be covering the area anymore. ( another photographer would have taken over)

I long suspected TH wrote something down because Zips mag, if you invert the photo , you will see handwritten impression on the cover.

TH receives a phone call from Color Labs, this VM appears to be about a mix up of her getting the wrong photos. Color labs ask if TH can come by , the customer is there, saying something about wedding photos.

( Always gives the impression she got the photos that day but just could never return them...)

Photos not in her car nor mentioned anything of such coming from her residence.

TH trunk door seems consistent with a back splatter, from someone striking and making the instrument back.

TH was taken down by one swing to the side of the head ( explains lead found on the skull bone ) I say one swing because nothing indicates TH handprints with blood, or blood smear from a hand that touched the side of her head )

If TH trunk door was open when hit, She wouldn't see the person coming from the side of the door open ( Back windows tinted)

Why would TH be opening her trunk? Bobby nor SA indicate her opening her trunk during the appt. SA couldn't attack her back of the RAV, with Bobby taking a quick shower.

Why do Bobby and ST appear sketchy?

I think Barb asked ST to be Bobby's alibi, I think Bobby was interviewed before ST, so there was time to connect stories which is why :

Bobby said ST will know the exact time we passed each other.

I think Bobby went left that day, he didn't need a deer stand to hunt birds. I think he went by HWY Q. Barb when asked she gives that direction, and says thats where Bobby always hunts.

I think TH left slighly after Bobby, Bobby saw her behind him , He was simply heading out to hunt. ( if we don't prime him as a suspect)

I think when he turned left, He passed ST, I think ST was on his way home when passing Bobby.

I think ST left his house at 3:25/3:30 ( He indicates in all 3 interviews he gets home at 3:15, and goes in to change into hunting clothes and loads his hunting gear into his vehicle. 3:15 arrival at home negate Bobby heading there after ST leaving his house)

Who should be looked into?

Rob F

Travis F