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How to make someone (gf) interested in stoicism ?

I'm looking for some advice today. I've been with my girlfriend for almost two years now, and it is someone who is very emotional.

She often gets annoyed, when things aren't going as she would like them to go, even knowing this is the way it works (for example at our work). Sometimes, she just is annoyed by nothing, she just is.

After some time, she will stop and then be happy, and I can't put my finger on what provokes this change in state of mind.

As a contrast, she often says that I don't show emotions, that I just don't care about things, and it is true that in my nature I show less emotions than her, and even more since I started studying philosophy and stoicism.

I accept the situation I am in now, and I love my girlfriend the way she is. However, I think she would feel better if she learned to control her emotions, because now they are too strong and not productive at all.

Often I talk to her about philosophy and sometimes about stoicism, but I know she's not interested. She told me multiple times she finds it boring.

Did you have such an experience before ? If yes, how did you overcome it ?

Thank you for your time

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2024/11/22
16:06 UTC

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Dealing with losing a business deal

I lost out on a business deal that I could of closed on that was literally right infront of my face for over 2 years and I never acted on it and then it got listed on the market and sold same day for more then I could’ve gotten it for.

Not only did I lose the deal but I also have a competing business that will get hurt from this! It was a complete lose lose for me and just feel like I’ve failed myself and my family by not acting on this. I don’t enjoy the business but it is profitable and has upside. I think I never acted on it bc my heart is telling me this isn’t my true passion but now looking back I have regret seeing someone else have it.

Is this a sign to get out of the business and possibly relocate as we have never been in love with where we live but the business has kept us here.

How would a stoic deal with this?

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2024/11/22
16:05 UTC

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When did people start reading Meditation?

Very minor Gladiator II spoiler (just a random line in the movie though).

I went and saw this movie last night, I love Marcus and have read a lot of his stuff. But at one point in the movie, a character was talking to Marcus’s daughter and said “I read his meditations….(some quote I forget)” and all I could think about what how historically inaccurate this was. The movie is supposed to take place maybe 20ish years after Marcus dies.

Were people reading his meditations that soon post death?? I am almost positive they were not, but maybe I am mistaken. Anyways not necessarily a stoic question but a Marcus question. Please let me know if anyone knows the answer to this, it annoyed me quite a bit as it felt so needless to the movie 😂.

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2024/11/22
15:57 UTC

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Marcus Aurelius on Sin...

Marcus compares sins committed by two kids of people, the one who commits a sin out of anger and the one who does so out of desire. Beautifully explaining how anger is actually mostly a result of victimhoood whereas desire being well thought/planned.

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"In comparing sins (the way people do) Theophrastus says that the ones committed out of desire are worse than the ones committed out of anger: which is good philosophy. The angry man seems to turn his back on reason out of a kind of pain and inner convulsion. But the man motivated by desire, who is mastered by pleasure, seems somehow more self- indulgent, less manly in his sins. Theophrastus is right, and philosophically sound, to say that the sin committed out of pleasure deserves a harsher rebuke than the one committed out of pain. The angry man is more like a victim of wrongdoing, provoked by pain to anger. The other man rushes into wrongdoing on his own, moved to action by desire."

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations.

P.S. - Would love to know your thoughts on this !!!!!

7 Comments
2024/11/22
14:30 UTC

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Weakness of will?

So, weakness of will (akrasia) and the stoics. Some time ago I read two articles^(1,2) related to this but they're from the same author and I wanted to get my ideas checked for understanding and then I have a question.

First my summarized understanding, please correct and explain where you disagree:

  1. Akrasia can be understood in the strict sense. This would mean that "one knowingly acts against ones own judgement". In stoicism, this is not possible since there is no division between an irrational and rational part of the mind, and no one errs willingly. So we can discard this notion of akrasia and move on.

  2. Akrasia can also be understood in a broad sense. This would mean "One fails to stand by a previous decision about what to do". That we have weakly held beliefs that change when we're met with a different circumstance. Quote: "Second, there is a broad sense of weak will, which occurs when ‘an agent fails to stand by a previous decision about what he will do or by some general plan or programme of action’. For example, suppose one decides to undertake a diet. However, when later confronted by delicious cake, the agent either has forgotten their previous plan or revokes their commitment to healthy foods, and eats the cake." (Tremblay, 2020)

  3. So the difference is that in the strict sense we hold the belief to be true and still act against it, while in the broad sense we have either dismissed the belief as false or forgotten it. The broad sense is possible in stoicism.

  4. An extra point just for interest: Tremblay (2020) then argues that there are two reasons a stoic prokopton would experience this broad weakness of will: precipetancy and weakness. Precipetancy basically means we weren't paying attention to our impressions (lack of prosoche and critical assent). Weakness could either mean we're suffering from a passion that is disrupting us, or that we have not really internalized the belief we're trying to follow.

Then a question for discussion: What is your process for combating this so called "broad weakness of will"

Suppose you are in the process of changing the way you behave you notice yourself going against this set out plan. This could be anything, like the diet example above. Or aiming to spend more time with your kids but deciding to watch TV instead. Aiming to treat your spouse better but getting annoyed and rude when she does something you dislike. Whatever it may be.

Do you have a set out method, strategies to course correct for future "weakness of will"? If you do I'm also curious to how you came up with them, are they from the stoics or somewhere else, how has your success been with them?

I set this flair so anyone could chime in.

  1. Tremblay, M. (2020). Akrasia in Epictetus: A Comparison with Aristotle. apeiron, 53(4), 397-417.

  2. Tremblay, M. (2021). Theory and Training in Epictetus' Program of Moral Education (Doctoral dissertation, Queen's University (Canada)).

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2024/11/22
11:35 UTC

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Unpopular opinion: Ryan Holiday's stoicism is healthier than William B. Irvine's

I've read about half of the Guide to the Good Life and listened to a podcast where Irvine was a guest, and I feel like his stoicism is less humane.

The weird thing that stood out for me from the podcast is how Irvine said something along the lines of "damn it, I let them affect me again, I promised myself not to let them affect me". What I'm getting from that is that he's trying to suppress his emotions and not feel the annoyance that a human being should feel when dealing with adverse people. Sometimes people are annoying and it's ok to be annoyed by them and defend yourself, but do it mindfully and in virtue, as a stoic should.

And a weird thing from the book - how he talks about sex. He's saying that sex is unnecessary and almost a waste of your energy. That you should hold yourself back until marriage. When talking about religion, I can understand, but overall having sex in a relationship is completely normal and healthy. It helps you build intimacy.

Overall, the vibe I'm getting from Irvine is of suppression. And I never got that from Holiday. Holiday is more about reframing and accepting that you won't be perfect and that being a stoic is something to strive for. Of course, Holiday can be critiqued for milking stoicism for money, but he spends lots of his time on it and gives lots of free and useful content. And I don't see a problem with that. It's not like a stoic should never try to make money. But he should be good with or without it.

Let me know what you guys think. Maybe I misinterpreted Irvine.

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2024/11/22
09:26 UTC

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What do I do

Hi guys, looking for any advice… I am a 32 M in a relationship with a girl I’m not crazy about. I broke up with my ex, who I now realise was the love of my life, 6 years ago. I desperately want children. I feel a little bit trapped at the moment. Worried to leave my current relationship. We get along, but I’m not sure if she is the one… this eats at me every day. I wish I could go back in time. I was so happy and I don’t want to miss my chance for children, family and great relationship…

11 Comments
2024/11/22
08:47 UTC

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Are people inherently bad?

"After friendship is formed you must trust, but before that you must judge. Those people who, contrary to Theophrastus' advice, judge a man after they have made him their friend instead of the other way round, certainly put the cart before the horse."_Letters from a Stoic III.

I've followed this quote while navigating friendships for the past 5 years and lately I've found it unsatisfactory. People wear "masks", have depth, layers and layers to their character. I've noticed things I would consider red flags in People after I've decided they are my friends, turned a blind eye to these, only for these people to later demonstrate clearly that they are enemies, wolves in sheeps clothes. In hindsight I tell myself, "yeah, I should've seen that coming."

We have Philosophies, religions and laws, all for the purpose of keeping us in check. Without these, what would we be?

Aurelius thanks the Gods in Debts and Lessons: 17 for his family but then adds.."And that I never lost control of myself with any of them, although I had it in me to do that,and I might have, easily. But thanks to the gods, I was never put in that position, and so escaped the test." He is saying he got lucky.

On Benefits, Seneca Book II. XVIII.."poison sometimes acts as medicine, but it is not on that account considered wholesome.." the man says. He writes that sometimes we do good when our actual intentions was to do bad, harm, for our own self interest. Says in such cases, whatever good results was done by chance.

We acknowledge the role of Fate, fortune and chance in our lives. I wonder if our being good is simply down to being delt and good hand in life. And that the exact same person, with all the philosophical knowledge at his disposal would actually do bad if really "tested".

I am trying to suggest that Epictetus was human, an incredible human based on his Discourses, but a human non the less. I am trying to suggest that he had a higher threshold for pain and discomfort than most of us, but that even he got lucky. He was tested, but, not to his breaking point.

21 Comments
2024/11/22
08:28 UTC

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Question about Seneca

In Dialogues and Essays, there is a passage about anger:

But how much better the course adopted by our own Cato! When he was pleading a case, Lentulus,* that seditious and turbulent man, as our fathers remember him, gathered as much thick saliva as he could and spat it in the middle of Cato's forehead. He wiped it off and said, 'If anyone says you have no cheek, Lentulus, I'll tell him he's mistaken.'

What does it mean when he says “you have no cheek”?

4 Comments
2024/11/22
07:50 UTC

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This particular statement by Seneca is quixotic to me - your thoughts?

“We must go for walks out of doors, so that the mind can be strengthened and invigorated by a clear sky and plenty of fresh air. At times it will acquire fresh energy from a journey by carriage and a change of scene, or from socializing and drinking freely. Occasionally we should even come to the point of intoxication, sinking into drink but not being totally flooded by it; for it does wash away cares, and stirs the mind to its depths, and heals sorrow just as it heals certain diseases.” by Lucius Annaeus Seneca

36 Comments
2024/11/22
01:24 UTC

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Help explaining human rationality

I was talking with 2 friends of mine when one randomly asked if I act rationally or emotionally (apparently, every guy she asks says rationally, and she wanted to check what I said). I said that, while I try to act with reason, I'm not perfect and sometimes act out of instinct.

They then questioned why I think it's better to act with reason. To which I used the Stoic idea that the capacity to reason is what differentiates us from animals, so we should use it, lest we be animals (I didn't mention that this logos is a share of the divine or mention stoicism at all, so I wouldn't alienate my audience, nor did I say it so eloquently lmao)

I never really opposed this view because it completely made sense to me: Animals act out of instinct, and humans, although also possessing instinct, have the ability to reason. My friends didn't really understand the point, though, and because I hadn't encountered anyone disagreeing with this idea before, I didn't really know how to explain it well.

I mentioned that the ability to create society and culture is uniquely human and comes from logic, the same with mathematics and science. To which they asked jokingly whether, because they suck at maths, they're not human. Obviously a misinterpretation of the point, but I failed to really clarify.

I also used the example of hunger. Animals instinctively feel hungry and seek food, while humans, using logic, invented agriculture to address this instinctive need.

In the end, we parted ways, and I failed to get it across well. Does anyone have advice on answering such questions in case the need arises again? Did the ancient Stoics use examples to justify this position, or did they, like me, not see any cause for disagreement?

Thanks!

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2024/11/22
01:22 UTC

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I wish I could start over somewhere new with different faces to see everyday, knowing all the wrongs I've caused to people (myself included), willingly or not, and given all the mistakes i've made throughout my journey. Maybe then, I would learn to live a life devoid of regrets.

How to cope with the fact that the sentence above cannot literally happen? That I had to continue living the way I do, seeing the people I wronged, living in the same spots i'm used to living and dealing with all the things i'm used do dealing?

8 Comments
2024/11/21
22:50 UTC

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How to Balance Stoic Principles When Others Take Advantage of Your Good Intentions?

Hi, everyone. I’ve been reflecting on a couple of Stoic principles and struggling with how to consistently apply them in challenging situations. Specifically:

  1. “Don’t waste time searching for malice in others’ intentions.”
  2. “When doing something good for others, don’t look for appreciation or acknowledgment.”

I try hard to live by these ideals, always striving to do what’s right. However, I often find that doing what I value as "right" comes at a cost—sometimes a significant one. What’s challenging is when others consistently take the easier path or avoid responsibilities, knowing I’ll step in and handle things. It feels as though their choices intentionally or unintentionally leave me with the burden of picking up the pieces.

While I don’t want to assume malice in their actions, it’s difficult not to feel a sense of imbalance or even resentment. How do you stay aligned with these principles in situations like this?

How can I:

  • Avoid seeing malice in the repeated actions of others when it makes my life harder?
  • Continue doing good without letting these feelings weigh me down, especially when people seem to take advantage of my values?

I’d love to hear your thoughts or strategies for dealing with similar situations. Thank you in advance for any insights you can share!

12 Comments
2024/11/21
20:30 UTC

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2024/11/21
20:00 UTC

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Is it against the principals of Stoicism to walk away from the things that are hurting you?

I'm in an extremely toxic work environment, and it's severely negatively impacting my mental health and changing my personality for the worse. Initially I was like "I should be strong and just bear it, who would I be if I just ran away", and honestly I did have some masculine pride in that I didn't want to run from the things that challenge me, but I learned that this isn't that.

I've been 7 months into this job, and I truly hate every day of it. I don't mind the work, I never do mind the work, it's always the people and in this case the people here are truly horrible and immoral and bring the worst in me I don't know what to do. I have nothing lined up, I keep looking for opportunities though but I don't know how much longer I can take this. Not even having something lined up, I'd set myself to work for another year from now, but then that decreased to 8 months and then to 6 and now to 3 months, because it just keeps getting worse for me. I struggled with depression before and depersonlization, but ever since I've entered this environment everything has been worse: had a mental breakdown where I shaved all my hair even though I hold it very dear to me and consider part of my personality, went to my first therapist then broke it off 'cause it wasn't going well, relapsed in several ways and went to dark places I haven't been to in a long time (trauma).rr

Appreciate your input.

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2024/11/21
18:41 UTC

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I miss him

I miss him today. I don’t know why it’s hitting so hard, but it is. I thought I was okay. Most days, I just go through life pretending like it doesn’t hurt anymore. But today, it’s like everything I tried to bury just came back.

I remember the first time I saw him. I went home and told my friend, “This is the guy I’m going to marry.” I prayed that night, asking God to keep him in my life forever. I had no doubt. None. I really thought he was my person.

And now? We don’t even speak. He’s not coming back, and I know that. I’ve tried. God, I’ve tried so much. I begged, I cried, I did things I swore I’d never do for anyone. I put myself out there in ways I never have before, all because I was so scared to lose him. And in the process, I lost myself.

He didn’t care. No matter how much I tried, it was never enough for him. And I hate myself for trying so hard—for throwing away my self-respect just to hold onto someone who didn’t even want me.

I don’t pray for him to come back anymore. I used to, every single night. I begged God to let us work it out, to make him stay. But He didn’t. And now, I’m just left here wondering why it had to happen this way. Why someone who was my everything can treat me like I don’t even exist.

I don’t think I’ll ever love anyone the way I loved him. And that’s the worst part. I know he’s moved on, probably not even thinking about me, while I’m stuck here missing him.

I did everything I could. Everything. And it still wasn’t enough. I hate that. I hate that I still miss him after all of it. I don’t know what to do with that feeling. I miss him so much today, and there’s nothing I can do about it.

21 Comments
2024/11/21
18:23 UTC

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Give examples of how stoicism helps in day to day life ?

Just curious about knowing how stoicism helps in every situation of your life.

13 Comments
2024/11/21
18:21 UTC

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"You were not made to wrap yourself in blankets". Marcus Aurelius

31 Comments
2024/11/21
17:09 UTC

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How do I let go of the desire to be accepted, find a sense of belonging?

I am 21M and throughout my life I have never truly found a place where I felt accepted or a sense of belonging. Everyone else found friendship or companionship but I didn't which made feel very inadequate and lonely I have been able to overcome this but there are days where I go back to feeling depressed about how alone I really am, how people don't understand me. I have always been an outcast and I really fit in anywhere, never made a lot of friends.

I am fairly new to stoicism but I like it a lot and some of the beliefs or practices have really helped me with my anxiety but this is something that has really troubling me for awhile.

23 Comments
2024/11/21
16:41 UTC

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Was an asshole to a friend and feel bad

Hey guys, I’ve been practicing stoicism for about 2 years now. I keep going back to Meditations, Seneca’s notes, and Epictetus’ Art of Living and Discourses. It’s been a tough journey, but it’s definitely helped me grow and be better to others.

That said, today something personal happened, and I ended up snapping at a friend. I was just a complete asshole for no reason. My whole friend group saw it, and they called me out. I already apologized, but I feel this overwhelming regret.

This isn’t the first time something like this has happened. It feels like there’s this darker part of me I can’t seem to control, and it just ends up hurting people. I hate it, and I want to stop it. If you’ve been through something similar, or have any advice on how to handle this, I’d really appreciate it. How can I be better to others? How do I deal with this part of me?

I just wanted to not hurt friend like this and be a good person towards people. I been meditating everyday i been training the stoic virtues but still there's something missing.

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2024/11/21
14:42 UTC

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I have an ego problem

That's it, as the title says, I take unintentional or intentional slights very deeply to the point i keep repeating and overthinking and over analyzing them meanwhile feeling so shitty. Plus it is time consuming for me aswell. I used to be people pleaser and so disconnected with my needs that i had no idea what was acceptable and what wasn't, i grew up and now I'm much better but i still sometimes randomly remember stuff from past which didn't feel disrespectful then but now when i see them i feel humiliated, the memory is hazy now but i still keep repeating them. Does stoicism have a way to make this syop and overcome this

7 Comments
2024/11/21
14:39 UTC

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Dealing with feelings of anxiety.

Hello all.

I really just need some sort of advice because I’m feeling pretty unsettled despite my efforts to self regulate.

College student here. Senior year. I have a test today that I’ve tried to study for but I’m definitely not prepared for. After that test I have a big presentation that I’m not prepared for either. This test and this presentation have an impact on whether or not I’ll be able to keep my job which provides me with food and housing.

My lack of preparation til this point is definitely my fault, but at this point of my college journey everything just feels so depleting. I’ve felt like this for a while, and it’s definitely frustrating since I’m almost done with school.

I want to be able to remain calm and collected even when things are stacked against me. I’m not sure what to do right now as I’ve been blessed to have never been through a period of life where I’ve been this overwhelmed by my circumstances.

Any type of advice or insight helps. Thank you.

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2024/11/21
13:58 UTC

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Did the Japanese in the time of the Samurai practice a sort of stoicism?

I was watching The Last Samurai recently and it got me wondering.

They practice a lot of acceptance and what seems like a lot of 'fate is what you make it.'

I don't know how true to life the movie represented it, but it seems like a lot of that mentality lasted until westernism took over.

I'm hoping someone more knowledge than me can shine some light on this.

22 Comments
2024/11/21
12:45 UTC

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Is ignorance a choice?

"One of the key principles of Stoicism is the idea that virtue is the highest good. This means that living a life guided by reason and virtue is more important than pursuing wealth, fame, or other external goods. The Stoics believed that by cultivating virtues such as wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance, we could live a fulfilling and meaningful life."

Therefore, why some people work with themselves and manage to fully understand the concept, yet others live in ignorance and superficially?

Or are we supposed to ask questions and focus on our development so that we can live in accordance with your nature, rather than applying them to others/outside world?

Is stoicism all about introspection and reprogramming ourselves to be compassionate rather than judgemental?

12 Comments
2024/11/21
09:46 UTC

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Broken heart

In my work, there's a girl with whom I got closer. She has MS, but I still wanted to pursue the relationship. Suddenly, she distanced herself and made it clear that nothing would come of it. I have no idea why, which really depresses me. Recently, I noticed she's talking to another guy from our work. Even though I know I can't control such things and that I should focus on myself, I can't help it. We weren't even in a relationship, and yet I still suffer a lot. We haven't talked in three months, but it still doesn't go away, especially when I pass her at work or see her talking to that guy. Do you have any advice?

10 Comments
2024/11/21
08:54 UTC

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“Think constantly, as a Roman and a man, about how to carry out your duties with strict dignity, human sympathy, freedom, and justice.” Meditations (6:30)

“Think constantly, as a Roman and a man, about how to carry out your duties with strict dignity, human sympathy, freedom, and justice.”

  • Meditations (6:30)

A battle weary Roman soldier at the edge of the empire reflects upon his conduct:

*"I march not for myself but for the glory of Rome—its gods, its people, for the eternal city. I am bound by duty, and my strength is found in endurance, not the sword sheathed, or drawn from my side. In times of peace, or war, I follow justice. Sharp and unyielding, I march forward swiftly in formation. My spirit remains free under any condition, under any order, even in the midst of war long drawn out and going against me. My glory is found in service, even in victory, mercy tempers my actions, I show love to all men, but above all, I love my enemy. 

We pave sprawling roads, and build towering fortresses, because no empire thrives without order, structure, and discipline. Though, I also know it’s inevitable that one day, maybe today, the chaos of death will engulf me and I will die. Nevermind. The city of Rome may fall a thousand times, but the idea of Rome will never die; its ideal is as eternal as the soul of every man I have ever known in this short and wondrous life. I am one with my legion as we march through the deserts of time; my single life has meaning, because it serves something far greater than myself. My mind, my body, my soul, my lover, my mother, my father, they may betray me, worst of all myself, but my soul will never die. Let reason and compassion guide me. I need brightness, and the warmth of light. I am but a grain of sand shifting in the sands of time.  I stand up straight as a soldier of Rome, I seek for peace, and ready for war. In health, I lead my people, in grave sickness, I prepare – and ready for death."*

These were the words a nameless Roman soldier reflected at his post.

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Commentary

The passage you've shared is a powerful and poignant meditation on duty, identity, and the Stoic resilience of a Roman soldier facing both the realities of battle and the inevitability of death. It blends Marcus Aurelius’s Meditations with the soldier's personal reflections, emphasizing the Roman virtues of duty, justice, and service, while incorporating Stoic ideas of acceptance, mortality, and the eternal nature of the soul.

Duty and Strength

The soldier begins by emphasizing his devotion to Rome—its gods, its people, and the eternal city—a powerful statement about the sense of duty that defines him. He acknowledges that his strength is not found in the sword, but in endurance, a crucial Stoic principle. This speaks to the Roman ideal of service: that it is not about personal glory but about fulfilling one’s role in a greater cause, often under hardship. The soldier does not seek fame or recognition; instead, he finds strength in simply fulfilling his duty to Rome, even when faced with adversity.

Justice and Freedom

The soldier’s commitment to justice is described as sharp and unyielding—a direct echo of Stoic philosophy, where justice is a virtue that transcends circumstances. His freedom is internal; though bound by external commands and the grim realities of war, his spirit remains free, reflecting Stoic ideas that one's true freedom is in controlling the inner self, regardless of the outer world. This reveals a deep inner peace and strength, even in the most chaotic or oppressive of situations. The idea that the soldier’s spirit remains free under any condition ties directly to the Stoic principle of accepting fate while maintaining control over one's internal responses.

Mercy and Compassion

In victory, the soldier demonstrates mercy, and most significantly, love for his enemy. This is a deeply compassionate reflection, suggesting that true strength lies not in conquering or destroying, but in showing compassion even to those who may oppose you. It also highlights the Stoic emphasis on maintaining equanimity in all situations, suggesting that the soldier sees humanity in his enemy, not as something to be defeated but understood and respected.

The Eternal Idea of Rome

The soldier acknowledges the inevitability of his death, but this acceptance does not diminish his resolve. Instead, it reinforces the eternal nature of Rome, not as a physical city but as an idea, a moral and cultural ideal that outlives any individual. The idea that Rome will fall a thousand times, but its idea will never die, reflects both the temporal nature of all things (especially human life) and the enduring power of ideals that transcend individual fates. This aligns with the Stoic belief that even as physical existence is fleeting, the virtues one embodies can live on through the legacy one leaves behind.

Mortality and the Stoic Approach

As the soldier faces his own mortality, he views himself as a small part of the grand desert of time, a grain of sand in the sands of time. Yet, he finds meaning in his life through service to something greater than himself. This is a classic Stoic reflection on impermanence—the acceptance that all life is transient and that the search for meaning lies in embracing one’s role in the world, even when that role is fleeting.

The soldier’s reflections on his death—his awareness that his mind, body, soul, and loved ones will eventually betray him—illustrate the Stoic acceptance of life’s inevitable end. The phrase "my soul will never die" hints at the Stoic belief in the immortality of the soul, even if the physical body perishes.

Balance of Peace and War

The soldier presents a striking image of duality: he is at peace, ready to lead his people in times of health and to prepare for death when sickness or injury comes. This echoes the Stoic practice of preparing oneself mentally for any eventuality. The soldier is at peace with the inevitable, understanding that war and peace are two sides of the same coin in the life of a Roman soldier. His readiness for both suggests a harmonious understanding of life's contrasting forces, a hallmark of Stoic wisdom.

Final Reflection: The Nameless Soldier

The nameless soldier’s final words—his reflections as he succumbs to death—echo the central Stoic concept of memento mori: the remembrance of death. His peaceful acceptance of his fate, combined with his undying commitment to the idea of Rome, shows the profound Stoic belief that one can live virtuously and meaningfully despite the inevitability of death. His life, though brief, has profound meaning because it has been spent in service of something greater than himself: the ideals of Rome and its enduring legacy.

In conclusion, this passage captures the essence of Stoic resilience and Roman virtue, blending the soldier's thoughts with the broader themes of duty, justice, mercy, and acceptance. The soldier, facing death, holds firm to the idea that life’s meaning comes not from personal glory but from serving something timeless, enduring, and greater than oneself. The reflection embodies the struggle to find peace in a world of chaos and the strength to live honorably until the very end.

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2024/11/21
07:21 UTC

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"Notice the feelings, like leaves on a river. Call them what they are, then let them go, let them float down the river past you. Don't judge yourself for having them, and don't engage with them. Simply acknowledge them, let them go, and move on."

Be an observer .

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2024/11/21
06:36 UTC

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Court tomorrow, gonna be hearing how long I’m gonna have to spend in prison, my stoicism will be put to the full test

I been on house arrest for almost 2 years studying stoicism, I read “How to be a stoic” 3 times and did a nice amount of research, i been slowing adapting to not reacting to bad news and lashing out to frustration, just understanding I have no control on what the judge says in my case and that my fate was caused by my actions. I also tackle things I can control everyday since I’m stuck in the house like, cleanliness, body health, emotions. Wish me luck 🍀

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2024/11/21
05:54 UTC

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Responding stoically to finding out I got played by the man I had feelings for

This is definitely a frivolous topic, but if stoicism doesn't help us through petty emotional problems as well as serious ones, then can it really help us manage our everyday lives?

Long story short: I met a man (organically for once, and not on dating apps), we got close, we went to a park where a busker was playing music, and he took me in his arms and slow-danced with me in public, told me how beautiful and unique I am, etc. Two weeks later I found out he had done the exact same thing with another woman, all while continuing to tell me sweet nothings. I guess I wasn't so unique after all.

Of course I felt hurt and deceived. I thought I had found something special and meaningful.

Then I questioned that thought: Why wasn't it meaningful? It may not be what I had thought it was, but that was the first time someone had ever slow-danced with me, the first time I had ever had an experience like that. And for the first time in a long time (I've been single for 4 years), I felt young and beautiful again. I can be grateful for that experience – not grateful to him per se, but grateful in general that that one moment had happened.

I'm not excusing what he did, nor am I going to let him fool me again, but now I also know what to look out for. The more I think about it, the more tiny little signs there had been that I should have noticed, all pointing to the fact that he is a bit of a casanova. So there lies my part in this whole thing: willingly overlooking worrisome traits just because life feels exciting again.

The most important thing I did was this: Do not say a word to him about it. Not yet, not while roiling in big emotions. I took a step back first to feel whatever i needed to feel, then to assess the situation with a clearer head.

Second thing was to stop wondering why he did it, what he had been planning, etc – and focus only on my intentions and no one else's. Did this situation align with what I wanted? No. Then the only thing to do is to remove myself from it.

I did not make a scene. I did not call him, or demand a meeting so I could break up with him, and I did not text him a long essay. I simply stopped responding until he asked me what was wrong, then I told him: "I recently learned that I'm not the only woman you've been pursuing, and while I understand that this is quite common for people to do these days, that's not a trait that I want in a future partner, especially considering all the things that you had told me before. I don't hate you and I'm not mad at you, but that's as far as we go." And I did not respond to any more of his messages.

Yesterday was his birthday. I wished him happy birthday, with a smiling emoji, and he said thank you and that he sincerely hopes I've been living a happy life. I said I have. And it's true. I have.

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2024/11/21
05:22 UTC

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How do you deal with people without values having the upper hand?

I know that from the point of view of stoicism you should have values because that is the only thing that is within your control and you can't do anything about other stuff, you can't control other people, etc.

But sometimes it feels like a losing game, I see for example guys that act like "bad boys", use negging, brag about having been with X girl, be the ones in demand for said girls.

And then a guy that has genuine romatic interest, that doesn't use stuff like negging (and other mind games) to get a girl, get rejected, and top of that ridicularized by said girls. Example: being negged after being rejected, like the rejection itself is not enough.

I know you can't control stuff like this, and it's not your fault that other people might not have values, nor can you change them, but...

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2024/11/20
20:25 UTC

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