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The predental subreddit aids those who are looking into the field of dentistry. We give advice on how to: study for the DAT exam; apply to programs with AADSAS/TMDSAS; organize coursework; and more. Check out our rules, FAQs, and quick-start guides to begin or continue your journey into dentistry.

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Rules

  1. Be nice; no hateful language. This is a subreddit to share or seek information. Some of us are already in dental school, some of us need guidance on how to get there. We want this to be a friendly environment where everyone feels welcome and all perspectives are valid and appreciated. This includes all races, colors, national origins, creeds, religions, and cultures. This is not a subreddit for insensitivity.

  2. Keep discussion on topic. While this is a place for you to vent about the stress of being a predental student, this is not the place to post off-topic discussion. We do not allow political posts unless there is a good reason. Anything off-topic will be removed.

  3. Use the weekly discussion threads. To cut down on subreddit bloat, use the weekly discussion threads, FAQs, or search for previously asked questions. There have been thousands of posts about the DAT in the past; you are not the first to ask the question you're asking. We encourage posting DAT breakdowns. Flair them appropriately.

  4. No soliciting or self-promotion. If you want to sell/buy materials, do that on your own time and not here. Not only does it clog the feed for ours users, but we are not responsible if someone doesn't follow through with their agreement. This is a subreddit for pre-dental students, not a marketplace to hawk your wares. Additionally, this is not the place to link your personal websites or DAT application services. You can talk about these services, but this isn't the place to sell them.

  5. No soliciting medical advice. This is a subreddit for predental students. By definition, these students have not gone to dental school and are not qualified to give medical advice. Take your questions to r/askdentists.

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UDM politics?

I have been hearing a lot about UDM admin staff and how they do not care about students. UDM is very well known to create amazing general dentists due to the large patient pool and diversity but is it really true that it’s difficult for students to succeed at UDM?

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2024/06/13
01:43 UTC

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Guide into starting a club at my community College ¹

Hello.I am a student at FSCJ Community College. I have observed that there are no pre-dental clubs available, and I would like to gather some insights into starting one.

Many students interested in dentistry transfer to universities that offer more opportunities for dental students. My intention is to provide these resources within our college, eliminating the need for students to leave before completing their undergraduate studies.

I would love your assistance in providing information or key factors that I should consider when initiating this club.

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2024/06/13
00:46 UTC

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Science faculty LOR declined my request because “it’s summer break”

This professor already has so many red flags and a 1 star rating on RateMyProfessor so I shouldn’t be surprised but dang….. I didn’t think he’d say that considering I got the highest score in his class and participated the most.

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2024/06/13
00:00 UTC

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Achievements Section

What exactly do I put under the achievements section? I have received deans honor rolls twice and the same scholarship twice (like in different years though ao should i enter them all or is it repetitive)? But other than that, should I list things appreciation for volunteering certificates? No, right?

Also, I got selected for a stem indicum project at my university - it was a competition- I didn't win but got selected for it - ik that's not an award lol but I kinda wanna add stuff so it doesn't look bad lol

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2024/06/12
23:31 UTC

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How many hours is considered an Upward trend?

Basically the title. How many semester hours is an upward trend for DDS/DMD Admissions?

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2024/06/12
22:49 UTC

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Texas Schools OOS Chances

I'm from Georgia and I was just wondering if anyone has gotten into UT Houston Dental School being an OOS student. I know the chances are super low, but I love the area and have family there so I would love to attend and wanted to see if it was worth spending money applying there.

Stats are 24 AA, 26 TS, 3.96 overall and science gpa, 250+ hours shadowing and volunteering, and strong rec letters.

Thank you!

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2024/06/12
21:46 UTC

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If you've noted that you're taking the DAT later this month, will schools wait to review your application?

I'm worried that one of my subsection scores (PAT 16) will automatically get my application tossed by some schools.

Sorry if this question has already been asked!

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2024/06/12
21:39 UTC

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CLEP exam & non credit course

Hey guys. I was entering my classes from my transcripts into my application and I suddenly remembered that i took the CLEP exam for spanish but it’s not showing on my unofficial transcript and neither is my dental assisting non credit courses. Should i still add them in? I’m just not sure what the course code would be.

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2024/06/12
20:52 UTC

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Undergrad

Does it matter if I graduate uni with a bachelor of applied sciences instead of bachelor of sciences (Bsc) if aiming to apply to dental school? Haven’t found any direct resources online. Any help is appreciated

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2024/06/12
20:48 UTC

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If a school sends you a supplemental fee/app does it mean they accepted your prerequisites for their program?

Just as title says.

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2024/06/12
20:03 UTC

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Dental School Guide llc, thoughts?

Hi everyone. I am applying in this upcoming cycle and I recently got a consultation from the Dental School guide. They promise to match my stats to the specific schools and arrange a meeting with the deans of those schools. They also mentioned certain rubrics of each school and how to target them with lower stats which I unfortunately have.

Did anyone use those services? The fee is pretty high, but it does sound lucrative.

Any thoughts? Or experiences? Is it a scam?

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2024/06/12
19:47 UTC

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Columbia Letter of Rec requirements

I was thinking about applying to Columbias School of Dental Medicine but i looked at their 3 science letter of rec requirements. I have 2 science prof (one being my PI) 1 non sci prof and 1 dentist. I also have a 3.9 gpa with 24 AA and 24TS. Does anyone know if columbia is flexible about their letter of recommendation requirements and if I should even apply at all?

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2024/06/12
19:02 UTC

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Public school choices as Canadian

Hi all. I am Canadian I was wondering what public schools in USA accept Canadians. I would not mind taking American dat for it as long as the cost is manageable. I looked into 10 schools which accept Canadians but their fees are high. So please anyone let me know if you applied to some which also accepted Canadian not just American students.

Thank you

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2024/06/12
18:58 UTC

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School list

Should I apply to more schools to guarantee I get in this cycle?

4.0 gpa, 21 AA 21 TS 21 PA, 100 shadow hours, 100 community service hours, Biochemistry TA, pre dental club (Arizona resident)

Schools I am applying to so far: LECOM Midwestern AZ AT Still Roseman Texas A&M

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2024/06/12
18:33 UTC

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How to actually get a call back for my request to shadow a dentist?

I'm a rising junior in high school and I want to go into dentistry. I emailed multiple clinics asking if they were willing to let me shadow a dentist (I specified the dentist I wanted) but I got no replies back. Should I just call the clinic and talk to the receptionist about this or???

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2024/06/12
18:29 UTC

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Primary vs. Secondary Apps

Ok so I’m like a bit confused about the application process. When you submit your primary application, are there supplemental essays you still have to write even before turning in the first submission? Or do you get supplemental/secondary essays after you turn in your first application?? I feel like I see people already writing secondaries so I’m a little confused. Please help!!!

Also I’m planning on submitting my primary on June 22nd, is this still considered early?

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2024/06/12
18:17 UTC

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Applying this cycle?!

Hey guys need some help

I graduated undergrad in 2018 so since it’s been a bit I was gonna take some in person summer courses ( one grad level bio from a 4 year school and one anatomy and physiology+lab from community college) to show that I’m in touch with school. Additionally, was gonna ask these 2 profs for rec letters as science faculty so it’s more recent. I don’t think any of my undergrad profs remember me.

I was gonna take the DAT( first time) in August too and apply then. Am I putting too much in my plate? 2 courses +DAT prep? I am in crunch time cuz I was working full time as a DA and couldn’t really prioritize the DAT earlier in the year.

Would it be too late to send apps in September? My gpa is 3.5. Just trying to up my chances here pls advise🩷

Thank you!!!!!!

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2024/06/12
17:42 UTC

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cell biology = ?

I have posted so much on here that past few weeks lol. Does anyone know what classes are considered "cell biology" for a prerequisite? I have taken genetics and was wondering if that counts.

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2024/06/12
17:40 UTC

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does doing a masters help my chances into dental school

this is for canadian dental schools, did masters help anyones chances into getting into uoft dental or western?

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2024/06/12
16:31 UTC

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Verification & LOR's?

Hello, my application just got verified today.

However, AADSAS has not received my committee letter yet.

Will schools start reviewing my app, or will they wait until my letters are in?

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2024/06/12
15:29 UTC

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wouldn't taking the dat in mid july mean it gets processed by august...so the application will be ready by mid august? This is basically like applying in august right?

Or am I thinking about this wrong?

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2024/06/12
15:28 UTC

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People who got into UCLA

Anyone who got into UCLA, can you tell me how you answered the question "How to deal with failure?" Thank you so much!

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2024/06/12
15:27 UTC

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Is it okay to submit secondaries before my application is verified?

I recently submitted my primary application and was waiting on verification and/or emails from the schools to submit the secondary applications and additional fees, but was wondering if it’s okay to just go ahead and submit them right now anyways. I’ve just been a little confused about how secondaries work in general haha. Thank you!

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2024/06/12
14:48 UTC

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How to insert 0 credit Labs

Hi I’m trying to input my biology courses and two of them show up on my unofficial transcript but don’t have any credits do I need to put that into my transcripts entry section.

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2024/06/12
14:46 UTC

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so so scared for debt + applying to schools

ive been studying for the dat this summer and I know im getting WAY ahead of myself but I was just looking at the cost of attendance for some of the schools I wanted to apply to, and I don't even know if its worth applying to them anymore?

lm from CT so I only have uconn as an in-state school option which would be like 200-300k depending on what I want to do for living (if I want to live at home and drive an hour). every other school regardless of if its private is coming around to 100k+ every YEAR. thats 400k already at LEAST. I don't understand how dentists pay this off, I feel like I never hear stories about dentists struggling to pay their debts but idk I could just be pretty sheltered. I also wanted to really go into orthodontics potentially since i've shadowed at a couple of places but the extra 300k would make it 500-700k in debt if I did.

so basically I cant even focus on studying because these numbers are insane to me. im a first gen US college student, first and only ones in the US, no one in my family has a degree higher than a masters im so scared and my family makes ~100k a year. do people have family that pays for their dental school? is density a career for rich people and im just unaware of it? I don't want to just go into it for the money but this potential debt is actually making me have an anxiety attack fr.

at least I have no undergrad debt? I got a full merit scholarship so thats good at least. ugh i'm freaking out and a couple of my friends who are pre-dental have families that are a lot wealthier than mine. whenever I talk about how I hate working or how broke I am (I work 2 jobs in college) they always switch the subject, they go on 3 vacations a year, etc so um. I don't rly know who else to rant to this about.

I still have 2 years left of college but i'm already freaking out and I need to plan this ahead of time because this is just SO much money and I don't want to be unrealistic and be like i'm gonna make 300-400k a year because idk my luck with life is bad and i'm a great student (4.0 babyyyy) but idk i'm expecting average for my career and life, if I even get into dental school. anyways rant over! bye!

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2024/06/12
14:28 UTC

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Mistake Application

They found a mistake on my application. If i can get it resolved then does my application go back and restart to take the 10 business days to verify or it is quicker because they check the mistake?

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2024/06/12
12:53 UTC

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University of Michigan Letters of Rec

Hey ya'll I recently just applied to the University of Michigan and shortly after got an email stating that my application was incomplete because one of my science letters was written by a professor who's currently teaching me. I've done research with this professor all throughout my undergrad but just haven't received a grade yet for the course so on my transcript it's in progress. Should I call the school to solve this or try to seek some other alternative method? I also can't update the grade on the transcript even if I ask my professor to grade it, because it is under the spring semester which has already been verified.

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2024/06/12
12:24 UTC

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DAT Breakdown 20AA 20TS

I’ve gotten a few messages asking for a breakdown of my recent DAT scores. I’m going to start off by saying in no way are these scores ridiculously high. This breakdown is for those who struggle with tests and for those who are currently struggling with practice exams.

I started my studying the 2nd week of march and took my exam June 10th. My first attempt I got a 16AA 15TS shown below. Terrible. I felt awful, 0 motivation, felt like giving up. My 2nd attempt i scored a 19AA 17 TS. But I had a 15 in Bio. Again I felt defeated but decided to apply anyways but ended up with all waitlists. My 2nd attempt I used the Princeton review which I DO NOT recommend. I do not feel like the exams prepare you enough for the real thing and are not representative at all and for sure NOT worth the price tag. My recent attempt I used booster. I did not use anki or Quizlet for any sections. I’m sure if I stuck with anki I may have done better but my brain does not like to learn very well from those sources.

Bio(16->15->20): booster has an enormous amount of bio bits to which I only completed about 60% of. They were very specific and I didn’t have the time to complete every question. I believe the main contributer to my score was the fact that I read through the details notes and took my own notes along with taking notes through every video. I also used the cheat sheets to write my own condensed notes and I rewrote these 4-5 times. The practice tests on booster were very representative of the test. I no joke had 3-4 questions that were identical. I only had 1 taxonomy question so that may have helped me a little bit. I was scoring 18-19 on all my practice tests Gen Chem (15->18->20): I always struggled with chemistry and I am not that good at math so gen Chem was always a difficult topic for me. I was scoring 17-18 on my practice tests. For gen chem I made sure to memorize the formulas and make sure I fully understood the answer choices on the practice exams. Not just the correct answer but I took the time to research why the incorrect answers were incorrect. In this section I do feel like practice problems are your best friend. Orgo (15->18->19): this section I expected to do better in as I was scoring 20-22 on my practice exams. Unfortunately (TMI) I was having stomach issues during this section of the exam and had to leave the testing area and I came back with only enough time to review bio and gen chem. If I had time to receive my choices in Orgo I feel I could have gotten a better score. For this section I did the reaction q banks every day for a month or so as well as re wrote the reaction cheat sheet. I never did well in Orgo in undergrad so this section was an uphill battle for me. Overall, the exam was very surface level, my multi step questions comprised of MCPBA and friedel alkylation. I would highly recommend knowing hybridization, stereochemistry, and ranking acids and bases as I consistently got multiple questions on these topics across all of my tests. Reading comp(22): I feel like I may have gotten shafted on this section a little because I was scoring 24-26 on practice tests as I have always been a good reader. My passages were very dense. I never really “studied” this section because i read books on a regular occasion and I felt I didn’t need preparation for it. QR (18) I am not the person to ask about math as I am definetly not very good at it. I will tell you the math on the exam is by far easier than it is on booster. I regularly got 4-5 statistic questions as well as probability questions. This section I would recommend practice problems Perceptual Ability(19) I am disappointed in this score as I expected to score 20+. For this section I would recommend you find the sections your most comfortable with and complete those first so you have more time to complete the ones you struggle with. For me I struggled with TFE and pattern folding so I saved those for last.

Like I said before, I am not a genius. I am not a person whose on here making a breakdown of a 24 AA. This is for the people who have scored lower in the past and are happy with a 20AA. I really did not think I would be making this post. I studied for3-4 hours a day for 2 months and then about 6 hours a day for a month. I did not study for the 3 days leading up to my exam. The night before I was stressing out thinking I forgot everything but you have to trust that your hard work will pay off. YOU CAN do it. I really attribute my score to booster and being able to take an L on a regular basis and keep moving forward. A test score does not define you. Good luck everyone if you have any questions don’t hesitate to reach out! Reddit won’t let me post my pics except for the one I take with my camera so here are all my scores 1ST ATTEMPT (12/2022) AA 16 TS 16 GEN CHEM 15 ORGO 15 BIO 16 READING 20 QR: 15 PA 20

2ND ATTEMPT (4/2023) (4 waitlisted with these scores) AA 19 TS 17 GEN CHEM 18 ORGO 18 BIO 15 READING 25 QR 19 PA 21

3RD ATTEMPT (6/2024) AA 20 TS 20 GEN CHEM 20 ORGO 19 BIO 20 READING 22 QR 18 PA 19

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2024/06/12
11:52 UTC

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Should I postpone taking the dat?

Hi all, I am applying this cycle and was originally planning on taking the dat at the end of june and submitting my application around then as well. However, it is looking like one of the professors writing my LOR’s may need some more time as they have personal matters that just came up(I unfortunately do not have other professors to ask who could provide stronger LOR’s). Due to this, my application would be incomplete until maybe mid-late july but it could be earlier, I am not sure. I was wondering if it was worth postponing my dat to have some more study time(I am not getting the score I want yet on practice exams) and also have more time for polishing up my application. I have a gpa on the lower side(3.4ish) so I really want to do good on the dat, but I also know it’s really helpful to submit your application early.

Tldr: Should I postpone taking the dat on the off chance that my prof may submit his lor late so I can possibly get a better score at the price of not submitting my application early?

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2024/06/12
10:19 UTC

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What does mail out date mean?

I keep seeing it in the acceptance/ rejection section but what does it mean? Does it mean that is when the person submitted their app?

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2024/06/12
06:35 UTC

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