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leka lekamyzi'e

Mi mansytcu leku leka lekamyzi'e ku .i mi tavla do lekamyzi'e jbobau .i mi simsa lo verba lonu tavla do .i mi djica lonu tavla do jbobau .i ta'einai .... srera ....srera srera.... it nandu u i'i ti lodi lo mi kumfa

mi jbovlazbakemsedycro ...no jbovlazbakamnandu.... jufra

ti banzu!

5 Comments
2024/03/26
00:47 UTC

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solresol speakers be like:

  • pro-sumti: you listener(s); identified by vocative.
  • digit/number: 2 (digit) [two].
  • pro-sumti: me/we the speaker(s)/author(s); identified by self-vocative.
  • sumti place tag: tag 1st sumti place.
  • x1 is the sun of home planet x2 (default Earth) of race x3; (adjective:) x1 is solar.
  • name descriptor: the one(s) called ... ; takes name or selbri description.
  • erase the last Lojban word, treating non-Lojban text as a single word.
0 Comments
2024/03/13
15:55 UTC

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lo botpi be lo se gleua

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2024/03/12
22:05 UTC

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Logical connectives

Is there a better explanation of logical connectives out there? I was reading about it in 'incomplete lojban'. I thought they couldd be used to ask about 'Coffee or tea" and "cream or sugar". and the answer would reflect which combo one would like. I went down a rabbit hole of learning about logic, if t then p etc... I have to clarefully chart everything. But after comparing the chart and the chapter, I couldn't quite see the same useage. Thank you!

7 Comments
2024/03/06
16:54 UTC

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Logical Basis of lojban

I have been reading through the complete lojban language book this week.

I understand that the grammar has a bunch of unnecessary cmavo for combining operators because at the time people thought single token lookahead parsers were the best possible solution.

What I am curious is what branch of logic was the basis for the "logical semantics" of lojban. It seems like a mix of Boolean algebra and hint of propositional logic, but it seems to have never met the fields of symbolic logic and the higher order logics.

As a result it seems like there is the typical confusion about what truth means in logic. And as a result, I find that a significant number interpretations in the examples are inconsistent with each other. In particular, chapter 15 is a trainwreck when discussing negation. The negation of "some bears are white" is "there do not exist white bears", but you actually cannot say either of those things in propositional logic so there had to be some basis that is a higher order logic for the lojbanic concept of truth to be logically.

So I guess this is a long forethought for the question

What background did the designers of lojban actually have? Did they have experience in writing logical specifications for anything in the real or imaginary world? There is a lot of really good structure like the selbri and sumti. But things like quantification and logical composition just drift into, "so what are y'all doing here?"

16 Comments
2024/03/03
01:56 UTC

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Lojban text-to-speech restored

https://huggingface.co/spaces/lojban/text-to-speech

Notice it was created a year ago, it's not perfect and as of now better models exist so knowledgeable people, please, look into the issue and which models can be used to improve text-to-speech generation for lojban.

4 Comments
2024/03/02
15:31 UTC

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Lojban Text-to-speech (TTS)

I am seeking a lojban text-to-speech engine. Open source is preferred. Any suggestions?

note: I see that u/la-gleki has created this lojban tts project, but it seems to have a build error now. is there an older version that works?

2 Comments
2024/02/25
02:47 UTC

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【Lojban】selyli'atcadu / 40mP - Torinoko City【Nekomura Iroha】

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2024/02/24
18:23 UTC

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【Lojban】kanji / JimmyThumbP - Calc.【Yuzuki Yukari】

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2024/02/20
04:07 UTC

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Apparently, Baidu Translate has Lojban

Not really sure what to write here. I just find it interesting, and it didn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else.

3 Comments
2024/02/11
03:10 UTC

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vajni se retsku

xu fu ku cu pu zu nu tu vu du mu ru .u lu gu bu ju su

mi'e la .lojbeb.
noi balja'a be lygygy.

2 Comments
2024/02/03
18:36 UTC

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Lojban layout

Does anybody know is there any lojban layout project? I seek some info about this but I haven't found anything.

5 Comments
2024/01/01
19:01 UTC

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"free will"

How would one express the idea of 'free will' in lojban? I had a very irritating discussion about the subject, and I realized that perhaps we were talking about different things. Maybe several different things might be under the concept of 'free will'. Also the topic very much has emotional weight to it. Perhaps lojban can cut through the crap, or maybe not, who knows. Might still disagree, but it might be useful towards at least identifying a particular topic, or set of topics.

I suppose it might also be difficult to learn the terms without weight of English. But i am curious. It might not help as the other person isn't interested in lojban, but at least it might help me. thank you

4 Comments
2023/12/31
13:48 UTC

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lo xacyce'a be lo pacpre

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2023/12/23
04:55 UTC

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Turning brivla into cmevla with an apostrophe

In Esperanto, you can replace the final -o in nouns with an apostrophe. I was thinking of doing this for the last letter in Lojban brivla (for example, viska -> visk'). I would call this apostrophe basti bu (because it replaces the final vowel) instead of y'y. So, has anyone ever tried this?

EDIT: The cmevla-brivla merger may not work for this one, and I don’t like using it for the broda-series because they are all the same except for the last letter.

EDIT: This is for poetic effect (for example "mi visk' do" instead of "mi viska do") like the Esperanto apostrophe.

10 Comments
2023/12/16
15:55 UTC

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Lojban to logic?

I found the tersmu semantic parser for Lojban. Do you know of other Lojban to logic converters?

2 Comments
2023/12/14
02:05 UTC

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Lojban's Rhyme

How were the pronunciations of the words lojban determined? Were there any references or criteria used to create the Lojban sound? Lojban's voice does not make me feel as aesthetic and enjoyable as it does in natural languages. The rhyming capacity seems to be more limited and difficult than natural languages. Can you inform me about this?

6 Comments
2023/12/11
19:27 UTC

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.i xu la .redit. cu xamgu (see r/lojban for details)

1 Comment
2023/12/07
17:21 UTC

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LinGo, a free and open source text-based language acquisition tool

LinGo is a terminal based language aquisiton application, which allows you to learn languages while reading texts. The application allows you to load texts, read them, mark words with different colors based on your knowledge of them, listen the pronunciation of words on the spot and get a translation of each word without leaving the application; all the words you marked will then be saved locally on your machine and can be easily imported into anki or memrise flashcards. The application is entirely keyboard-based, making it way faster to use compared to the other alternatives.

There are over 150 languages supported for insta translation and over 40 languages supported for tts; furthermore, even languages like khmer, thai, japanese, burmese , chinese and lao have tokenization support done via nlp models.

You can mark the words that you know and you do not know using 4 levels:

  • 1 --> Dont know the word

  • 2 --> Partially know the word

  • 3 --> Know the word

  • 0 --> ignore

The list of words you dont know can then be easily exported to anki or other flashcard systems such as memrise.

This is the link to the github repository

If you want to check the full documentation website, go here.

If anyone wants to try it out or contribute I'd be very happy.

All suggestions for possible future features are welcome and appreciated.

0 Comments
2023/12/06
23:37 UTC

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Just trying to bring Alphabet Lore to the Lojban community. Sorry for any mistakes.

2 Comments
2023/12/01
20:09 UTC

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pinci vs sumne

lai snozberis. cu se panci lo snozberis. selsumne

It looks to me like lo selpanciis the actual source and le selsumne is the characteristic scent. So, like, if I'm sniffing a rose I might say mi cu te panci le rozgu but if I want to convey that I observe the scent of roses without identifying a source I'd say mi cu sumne lo rozgu

Though looking at the English glosses again, I might have that backwards. la snozberis. cu se sumne lo snozberis. selpanci

1 Comment
2023/12/01
18:12 UTC

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JboSky, jbostodon

Is there a Lojban presence on BlueSky, like a feed? is it active? Lojnanists would seem to have a greater overlap with Mastodon, but I figure it doesn't hurt to ask

1 Comment
2023/12/01
17:50 UTC

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Where is Lojban at right now?

So, I noticed a couple of things that I've not yet seen discussed elsewhere, that I want to bring up here:

  • According to the Lojban.org Wiki, the LLG has a bylaw stipulating a yearly meeting of members (the LogFest, or jbonunsla) - yet, the last one mentioned in the Wiki was 2015. Is this still ongoing?

  • I have noticed many resources - including, shockingly, the Memrise course that used to exist a few years prior - are now nonexistent (albeit, still logged on the Lojban Wiki). Some Youtube resources (like songs), the video authors made private.

I guess my main question is, does the LLG still exist as an entity, and is the language still active? Is there still a language body moderating development?

Have LogFests (or other meet-ups) been operating, or has the practice mostly ceased?

I would ask about the unmaintained state of much of the wiki, but this is secondary to the other questions - if there aren't enough people of sufficient expertise actively involved, then it's understandable that the wiki will not be maintained. I am just curious to know where we are at now.

3 Comments
2023/11/30
00:01 UTC

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.i iu do klama mi .i oicai do klama fi mi

1 Comment
2023/11/26
02:36 UTC

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The cat wants what the other cat eats.

So other 'x' seems to be a weird concept in lojban in that at first it seems non-intuitive to say it. I think drata is probably that correct gismu, but I would like feedback on naturalness of the follow sentences:

le ti mlatu cu djica le se citka be le ta mlatu

le mlatu cu djica le se citka be le mlatu poi ri drata ke'a

le mlatu cu djica le se citka le datmlatu 

I think the primary lesson is that the function of quantification of sumti is orthogonal to the restrictive clauses attached to sumti.

13 Comments
2023/11/25
16:43 UTC

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Usage of tu'o

I think tu'o has only one official definition: a zi'o-like place in unary operations (li tu'o va'a xy = -x). However, some people use tu'o to mark sumti as uncountable. For example, i ti me lo tu'o plise - this is (crushed) apple, but i ti me lo pa plise - this is an apple, and i ti me lo su'ore plise - these are apples.

Here are two more ways that tu'o (could?) be used for (question: does anyone use these?):

  1. Floating point NaN. i li no fe'i no du li tu'o

  2. Deleting number from a sumti. For example, i ti me lo tu'o plise - this is (an) apple(s) (can be an apple, apples or crushed apple, it is irrelevant which) but i ti me lo xo'e plise - either this is an apple or these are apples (xo'e ~ zo'e, so must be countable). You may even use a word (ty'a?) to specify uncountability.

3 Comments
2023/11/24
16:25 UTC

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Seeking a partner to learn Lojban or Toki Pona

2 Comments
2023/11/16
04:36 UTC

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