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Lojban, the logical language.
coi lo vitke i mi'a gleki lo nu do tcidu lo ma'a papri pe la redit .i .e'u .e'a do jmina lo cinri notci lo dei papri
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tutorial: Lojban in simple phrases
tutorial: The Crash Course (work-in-progress)
tutorial: la karda (a rapid-fire overview of the grammar in small pieces)
dictionary: la sutysisku, can work offline
dictionary: la muplis, sentences with translations
grammar checker: la ilmentufa
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/r/lojban
Is there any large language model who speaks lojban fluently?
Lojban would do very well with transformer architectures since lojban's very easy to tell relations between words...
I have tested gpt and claude. They can explain lojban in English, but not using the language fluently.
Is there any attempt to teach lojban to LLMs?
Any thoughts
I was reading a grammar book, and it claimed it was important to be able to identify 'the verb' in a sentence quickly and easily. This does seem to be a thing.
I know technically there isn't 'a verb' in Lojban. So, how does one identify a selbri in a statement quickly.?
I started a project, and created the following sentence:
"ko catlu kau lo jipci cupra ra" How do you interpret this, and translate into English?
One cannot point at things in writing, so why is so much cmavo prefix space reserved for words that no one can use?
Okay, how should we say "Cheers!" it seems like it should be an attitudinal, but what are your thoughts?
Omniglot has a blank for "Cheers!"
I never understood why one would use ‘ instead of just using the only unused letter.
Why do Lojban babies look so curious? Because their first word is 'mama.'
* '{mama}' means 'What? What?' in Lojban.
In other news, the 'Learn Lojban' course has been translated into toki pona.
That's the most useful of all recent Lojban activities. The English version of the course will soon be deleted (because who needs English):
Mi mansytcu leku leka lekamyzi'e ku .i mi tavla do lekamyzi'e jbobau .i mi simsa lo verba lonu tavla do .i mi djica lonu tavla do jbobau .i ta'einai .... srera ....srera srera.... it nandu u i'i ti lodi lo mi kumfa
mi jbovlazbakemsedycro ...no jbovlazbakamnandu.... jufra
ti banzu!
Is there a better explanation of logical connectives out there? I was reading about it in 'incomplete lojban'. I thought they couldd be used to ask about 'Coffee or tea" and "cream or sugar". and the answer would reflect which combo one would like. I went down a rabbit hole of learning about logic, if t then p etc... I have to clarefully chart everything. But after comparing the chart and the chapter, I couldn't quite see the same useage. Thank you!
I have been reading through the complete lojban language book this week.
I understand that the grammar has a bunch of unnecessary cmavo for combining operators because at the time people thought single token lookahead parsers were the best possible solution.
What I am curious is what branch of logic was the basis for the "logical semantics" of lojban. It seems like a mix of Boolean algebra and hint of propositional logic, but it seems to have never met the fields of symbolic logic and the higher order logics.
As a result it seems like there is the typical confusion about what truth means in logic. And as a result, I find that a significant number interpretations in the examples are inconsistent with each other. In particular, chapter 15 is a trainwreck when discussing negation. The negation of "some bears are white" is "there do not exist white bears", but you actually cannot say either of those things in propositional logic so there had to be some basis that is a higher order logic for the lojbanic concept of truth to be logically.
So I guess this is a long forethought for the question
What background did the designers of lojban actually have? Did they have experience in writing logical specifications for anything in the real or imaginary world? There is a lot of really good structure like the selbri and sumti. But things like quantification and logical composition just drift into, "so what are y'all doing here?"
https://huggingface.co/spaces/lojban/text-to-speech
Notice it was created a year ago, it's not perfect and as of now better models exist so knowledgeable people, please, look into the issue and which models can be used to improve text-to-speech generation for lojban.
I am seeking a lojban text-to-speech engine. Open source is preferred. Any suggestions?
note: I see that u/la-gleki has created this lojban tts project, but it seems to have a build error now. is there an older version that works?
Not really sure what to write here. I just find it interesting, and it didn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else.
xu fu ku cu pu zu nu tu vu du mu ru .u lu gu bu ju su
mi'e la .lojbeb.
noi balja'a be lygygy.