What would your ideal INTP retirement look like? I’m about 5-10 years away, and it struck me recently that I might soon have 20-plus (hopefully) years of kicking back ahead of me.

Like a place for myself/retiring is my end goal in life (living with parents at mid 20s still) and even then it sounds kind of lonely (your family can't break up with you at least).

I couldn't care less about owning a really expensive place/car, traveling, or owning expensive things to impress others in general (the people who you do impress only see you as someone to be used). I could live frugally my entire life.

I find myself having trouble replying back to text messages in a timely manner. Unless it’s work related or unless it’s something really urgent or unless the text is from my family, I usually ignore and reply back after a week or even few weeks. It’s so exhausting to me.

I have already lost some friends because of this, including my best friend. Yeah it’s kinda sad but oh well….. 🙄😐

I have had the opportunity to partner up with a couple women, that being said they seem to get angry / upset for often irrational reasons.

I remember when my gf called me crying at 5 am to tell me that her dog had died and she was along and thus I rushed over, I built her a coffin out of wood in their garage, told her that I thought that she gave her dog lovely life and I’m certain she’s grateful for her and then we burried her dog together. I felt like I went above and beyond but the next day she called me upset that I never said “I’m sorry for your loss” like people were replying to her on Instagram DMs.

If she asks me how I think about her dress, regardless if I reply with distaste, neural, indifferent, or positive she will find something to become offended by. Today she sent me a pic of a dress I assumed was for her graduation but it was a dress she was going to give to her sister so I told her it looked lovely and very flattering on her. Yet she was upset and unsure she could give such a good dress on her to someone else now. I told her if she already agreed to then she should probably follow through but that’s not what she wanted to hear.

I feel like they initiate tension to see if I care enough about to reconcile it. Yet it’s really draining to feel like I’m stepping on eggshells. I do care about them but I don’t want to have to prove myself after dating for more than multiple years. I’m certain they don’t do this consciously but it has been my experience with many romantic partners.

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I’m looking for outside perspectives and insights regarding how to manage time and energy when there are seemingly too many interests and curiosities within me. I’ve never been good with math I always skipped steps trying to rush through making the dumbest fucking mistakes but always loved science, especially physics/meta-physics. Im super fascinated with the so called “spiritual” world and the explanations behind these unexplainable phenomena that occur consistently throughout time. For example I’ve been diving into a combination of renown theoretical concepts..For reality as we experience is a matrix of compressed light waves vibrating at varying frequencies/wavelengths, creating material of various densities…Which led me to the ancient wisdom of the many scattered cultures throughout our world history, trying to find the correlations of them all to determine the supposed truth and interconnections of their knowledge. This led me to the Hebrew Bible… “God said let there be light.” Very strange how this knowledge has been known thousands and thousands of years ago by those who came before us. “For in the beginning was the word, and the word was made flesh,”-this claim started to appeal to me logically and took me much much deeper in contemplation regarding what everyone believes, for words are sound and sound is vibration traveling through air. This would imply that the incarnation event would be way more valid and scientifically accurate than we think. Besides my fascination with such abstract concepts, I’m really struggling implementing my curiosity into something truly beneficial to the world, my family, and the generations to come. I want to learn as many languages as possible, start a side business while I work, get into gardening, learn about programming, astronomy, even more history and science lmao, so much random shit. I know I should prioritize and not be so chaotic just struggling with navigation. I’m 19 years old about to be 20 and just had a son 4 months ago with my fiance and work a janitor job for a trades company in means of getting an apprenticeship position for a trade…since I didn’t go to college. I’m glad I’m not gonna get student debt but I hate it and I do not want to do anything involving the trades. Electrical would be cool but too many people are trying to get in to that department, electricity intrigues me but the work turns me off ngl. I’m trying to work for a place to live with my family so I can move out of my parents place and be with them always and I know that requires sacrifice of self. I just don’t want to be a slave and I feel selfish for entertaining all this chaotic crazy bs in my head 24/7. I’m also not looking for an answer entirely, just people to resonate with me and help give some insights from an outside perspective, I don’t go out much lol

I feel like im very dumb basically failing exams but doing well in some exams. I excel in some areas but i just suck in education. I may know why due to lack of motivation and effort i put also how i get bored so fast. Im still curious to know why and would like to hear some thoughts.

I would like to know some study methods(visual learner).

TL;DR: I need help building a team that'll complement me as an INTP in business, kick ass, but also be a pleasure to work with. You can skip to the bottom to see the personality types I'm considering and you can share your opinion on whether you think it would work or not, especially if you have any personal experience with any of them, or just a deep understanding of functions.

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So. Lately I've been trying to "hack" or reverse-engineer success from complete understanding of my basic ingredients. Like some (maybe even many) of us here, I've been going round in circles for years not really figuring out what exactly to do with my life. INTP potential that just stays potential, and it's gotten me quite restless of late.

For context, I've also realised that the way I am is not only influenced by my INTP-ness, so I've also started to try to analyze past and present behaviors and thought processes through the correct lens, i.e. ADHD, attachment style, cultural bias, childhood environment, etc. so that I can pinpoint exactly why I might have done what I did in a specific moment.

Anyway, the issue of potential for success is something I truly feel like I have, and again, like many of you I have stories about childhood brilliance that I can tell for days, but somewhere along the line we kinda just slowly fade into mediocrity. For years the self-sabotage and constant unexplained failures that happen anytime I started something new have bothered me. I've decided that I wanna figure out how to make myself truly successful, so this post is part of that process.

Now, back to my topic. I've been bouncing my ideas off of ChatGPT and it's been giving me some very interesting responses. One particular one I got today was to my question about what an ideal team would look like that could complement me and help me do the things I'm terrible at, so that I can concentrate on the things that I'm excellent at. Part of that were specific job descriptions according to the needs of the specific business, but also personality traits that would work best with mine. I'll list few below, and I'd like to hear your take on these:

1. Operations Manager. For organisation, time management & implementation. ISTJ or ESTJ.
2. Content Producer. ISFP or ISTP. Assistant Content Producer. ESFP or ESTP.
3. Post Production. INFP or INFJ.
4. Sales & Marketing. ENFJ or ENTJ.

If any of you have any experience working with these types, would you agree with the suggestions? I know I haven't given you a lot of information on the particular business, I don't really think it's important, I'm just curious about those personality types in those roles. And yes, I know there are many other things to consider, but... yeah, please, let me hear your thoughts and experiences.

I have finals common in less than weeks and I’m cooked. I don’t have motivation or passion to sit still and study for long time, so not long ago I tried pomodoro method. It’s goo tho. Anyone have other tricks for reading and remembering better?

I've got three days left without school and I don't know what to do. There's a lot of things that I want to do but too lazy and don't know which one I should do at first... 😵‍💫 Do you guys have some ideas?

(Well, most of you, anyway. Some of you are straight up stupid, but that’s a small sample pool of people considering the internet.)

Short version:

You’re a problem solver. You want to express your thoughts with your introverted thinking and different ways to solve that problem from lame to creative/novel ways that have extra “you never know” scenarios with your extroverted intuition. But people who you try to help shut you down.

People are stupid, and you’re amazing and creative.

Long version:

I wanted to break down what I’m seeing in my roommate and what I love about INTPs. For reference, I’m a person on the internet with nothing but a tin foil hat and my dreams. I’m typing this in one shot, so ignore my rambling and shit talking

My roommate is an INTP. Him—and for the most of the INTPs in my life— are downright depressed. He has never come to me in times of extreme stress, but he reached out to me on dis cord (lol, our rooms are 15 feet away from each other, but we mostly talk on dis cord chat [wtf we can’t type ‘dis cord’ with no space?]) and asked if he could tell me about what’s causing him to be severely distraught.

To make the long story short, everyone survived, but it was money and family related. He told his family not to do X and Y and to follow his instructions for this and that years ago—multiple times, and they told him he was stupid and a child for thinking so oddly. But he’s not stupid. He saw everything on the board, and he could see the connections and patterns that would have them fuck themselves over. What he warned them about happened yesterday—almost in the exact same way as he told them they would. Now, they’re coming to him for money.

If you’re INTP (TiNeSiFe), your first function is introverted thinking. When someone calls you stupid, it usually rolls off, right? But when you’re super stressed, you fall into a Ti-Fe (introverted thinking—extroverted feeling) grip. You start caring a lot about what other people think (Fe)—particularly people you care about a little more. You might even withdraw and distance yourself because by thinking about what has happened and using that to make more connections (Si), you can’t keep everyone happy (Fe) when you want to do what YOU THINK is the best (Ti). It’s just that others force you in a position that causes you to doubt yourself, even though you’ve already considered all the scenarios and outcomes that will and could take place. Way more than they have.

Another thing is. What’s the point of trying. What’s the point of trying when you express your thoughts, and people shut you down and go against what you say when you’ve already considered everything way more deeply than they have? You saw it coming from a mile away. But they didn’t care and thought your ideas (Ti) to mitigate problems (Ne) were stupid. (Keep in mind that people can be fucking stupid. You can be too, but you’ve already heard it before from them. Which doesn’t matter because you know they’re stupid.)

I know many of you have started opening your mouths to say something, only to hesitate and close it. You think, “this person is an idiot”. But there’s something inside you that feels like melancholy. Maybe you’re withdrawn or have already given up on trying.

But you’re stupid.

I love INTPs. I love them so much. I get along with them so, so well. I call you stupid, and you’ll just take it because you know I don’t mean it because you know I know you’re intelligent. I know you’ve considered all of the connections and patterns and theories and what if’s and contingencies. Everything. Way more than I would’ve with my heart. You’re some of the only people who can understand my roundabout ways. You’re one of the only types that are fast enough to see what I say isn’t really random. I don’t even have to explain anything because you already know.

If I was your friend, we’d talk about something stupid. At some point, we won’t agree because of our dominate functions differences. Bickering about some small, insignificant detail. We’ll look it up on google and end up on a wiki page and debate on how we’re both right but using different logic. But well. We are both TECHNICALLY right if you REALLY think about it from different perspectives. We’ll get tired of debating, and scroll up and down on the wiki page until we click something random. And then the rabbit hole begins. Suddenly, we’re learning anything and everything about something random, like how goldfish evolved from carp or something. Remember, we share extroverted intuition as our second. This is what we love to do organically. I, too, have insomnia and have a thousand ideas that go through my mind when I’m trying to sleep.

As an INFP, I follow my heart. As an INTP, you follow your mind. And if only I could articulate how much I’d love, love, love to throw a grapple into your mind and freely tether myself off of it to enjoy the mind show—I would. I’d love watching because I know I love to listen. When I finally break through your walls, seriously, you guys don’t shut the fuck up, but I love it and I’d follow you down any rabbit hole.

I’m sorry for any of you who has ever been shut down by people in your life. They don’t understand you because they don’t have the same insight. Please remember that there are way more sensors in the world than there are intuitives. A lot of people you interact with have trouble seeing what we see. They see with their senses, and sometimes at a very surface level. They don’t see people who manipulate them. They will tell you you’re on the spectrum. They will tell you they think you have adhd because they can’t see connections fast enough. They may even tell you to look into medication because your mind is a little TOO fast for them. They will cut you off because they’re too stupid to follow. They tell you you’re overanalyzing or overthinking people’s intentions. Just let those people fall into the traps. We can tell when people are lying, and it annoys us when they’re bad at it. To make it worse, with extroverted intuition, your eyes are in the abstract, dream world. Some people have trouble seeing that. You’re not crazy. You’re not wearing a tin foil hat. It’s just that others can’t imagine anything out of the realm of possibility or see past the stars and into different dimensions like some of us can.

If you guys can start with not beating yourselves up for not being understood or listened to. Someone out there cares. It’s just that the people you want to meet are listening to music alone in the dark cause they’re so withdrawn from society and feel misunderstood. /projection

Okay, hope you get the point. I’m tired of typ

Hi. I just joined this group, so forgive me if this point has been brought up a hundred times already. I think as with many of you, I have ADHD. I've known it forever, but was clinically diagnosed a couple years ago. When I read about all the symptoms and consequences of ADHD, I can't help but notice the wide overlap with INTP traits. I suspect that ADHD might just be another term for INTP/ENTP. Maybe INFP/ENFP as well. I haven't really looked too deep into the NFs' attention deficit struggles. What are you guys' thoughts on that?

Like how you learn new things ?..

Have you ever been suicidal before ?

Say it's Monday and you're right on time to work, but then Tuesday comes around and you're late, this seems to throw off my entire week and I'm 30 seconds to a minute late every day after until I recharge over the weekend and I'm good to go again Monday morning..

What are the differences between an extroverted intp and a regular entp?

I'm a math head. not even a good grade in math. I still do it though. the likelihood as a child of saying I'm smart and being recieved with warm reception is absolutely fucked.

so I've been saying for years to myself saying I'm not smart, and I'm dumb, playing the dumb game, and that was a statistical guess, you wouldn't look further into my direction. that was off of fear?

I don't know why I feel such an epiphany today but, I've been downplaying my lack of empathy and overrating my statistical probability all this time. I've been fucking around and being lazy because that was probable to avoid conflict.

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Then they look at me as the crazy one! I'll scowl at you all I like. Why are so many dog owners so irresponsible and entitled?

Hihi so I’m an INTJ and when I look back at my crushes, all of them were INTPs. This was before I even knew mbti, I would always gravitate towards and resonate with INTPs since I was 13. It wasn’t love but obsession. It was borderline obsession like cyber stalking and privacy invasion kind of obsession haha.

I liked them a lot especially when I was younger. Now that I’m older I try to look back and ask why would INTPs bring out that side of me? And it’s kinda a sad truth. I’m a very very VERY curious person. Since I’m a Te user and INTPs are lead Ti, I seeked out personalities like them because honestly as a Te user I couldn’t think for myself. And because INTPs display such confidence in their opinions and reasoning (even though they’re heavily biased because of it), I would seek people like them to validate my thoughts.

As I grew older, I now have so much more knowledge and reasoning skills compared to when I was younger. I may not have Ti but I majored in science and it helped me think scientifically and logically and detect logical flaws.

And now when I talk to the same kind of INTPs I used to when I was younger, I see right through all their bias in their Ti which I would fall for when I was more young and impressionable and heavily reliant on their thinking.

I do still love INTPs because I absolutely loveee picking their brains apart and ask their opinions about everything but it’s so hard for me to meet INTPs that are not biased and too stern in their opinions that they think they’re always right and don’t validate it.

So I was wondering if INTPs sees the same thing in play but with Fi in INTJs?

Also do INTPs hate it when a Te user picks their brain apart constantly? My INTP ex would sometimes get annoyed by it but it would make me sad because I’m just a curious person and I want to know more.

I'm INTP and I've been dating an ENTP woman for two months.

We met on Reddit when she sent me a private message. We actually live in the same city, so she proposed to meet the same day at a bar, and i said yes. That's how happened our first date.

Since then we've been on three dates, the last one being particularly hot but without any real sex. Each time she was the one who took the initiative to have more "heated" moments by putting her thigh on me for example. Maybe i should precise that i'm virgin and she's not. Beside that, we text everyday.

But it has been more than a month since we haven't seen each other. Each time that we plan something, she says at the last minute, or she doesn't even say that she can't and that it's cancelled. By the way on our first, and fourth date she was late of 1-2h and on the second she didn't even come, rather she told me to come at her place instead when i was already at the place we should have met. She said she had exams and stuff so i was okay for not seeing each other for a while. But each time she said she could come, in the end it was cancelled, but she wouldn't say it outright. Rather she would let me discover. I thought it was okay because she had her exams and it was difficult to manage her time and maybe she thought she could but she wasn't as productive as planned. But now all her exams are done, and she found yet another excuse to cancel our date that was planned yesterday. She said she has a headache.

On top of that, since a few weeks we've been chatting less, because i thought she was busy with revising. But since May the 2nd, she barely answer me anymore. She answers hours, half a day or even a day after i sent a message. We exchange a few messages each day.

I asked her if she's still interested, and she hasn't answered for more than a day. Even though we have two days of holidays here in France.

Tomorrow she will leave for Colombia to see her family for one month. She said we could meet today but i'm sure she would find anotjer excuse. The fact that she hasn't answered shows that something is wrong and that she probably don't care if we see each other or not before she leaves. Maybe she just wanted to have fun because she hadn't sex for a while. Maybe she just wanted to play with me. She always seemed so interested in me. Now i feel like it was all mischief. It's driving me crazy honestly.

What are your thoughts? Has she lost interest? Or is she still interested but she's taking her time to think? Or something else?

I know it's a lot to read, so thanks to anyone who reads this and answers me seriously.

EDIT: she answered and looked shocked when i said she was ghosting me. She said she needed alone time.

I always feel like I'm living in a distant world looking at things happenning in my life

I tried posting this on the main Mbiti sub for a more general opinion but It got filtered so I'm trying here now.

I realised fairly recently that I'm an INFP 5w4 after mistyping myself as 4w5 for a while, and I'm trying to understand the difference between it and INTP cuz I saw the question quite a lot when researching my Ennegram but the replies were always kinda vague/inconclusive so it got me wondering.

From what I've gathered, INFP 5w4 defaults to acting on logic but will switch to emotion when acting on logic could hurt others due to their empathy... and that's all I've gathered :p

If I'm flat out wrong on that lmk, I'm just trying to understand the differences.

lets take public forums, lets take reddit, lets take this sub, what do you think is the biggest enemy or risk standing between you and truth if truth happens to be exposed here?

PS I am starting to load the karmic system with the decision for discerning truth.. seems less like an individual capacity

Other then the implications of ego/hubris it has and the introspective analysis that you would/should do on something like that, is there really issue with believing or intuiting yourself to be capable of giving 'gifts' to humanity? That are unique and momentous to the domains you work in.

Art, science, philosophy etc..

Isn't that what the intp is in a nutshell?.

Anyway, maybe I'm in need for a reality check or I'm just missing perspective.

This is how my life has been so far:
Completed my BBA in Finance --> Joined a company as a math teacher--> next job as an HR generalist --> moved on to quality analysis in Target (isn't as fancy as it sounds) --> did a 6 months course in Data Analysis --> shifted to another job as an HR SAP coordinator(not at all related to the course i did or my degree specialization) --> and now finally I am pursuing my MBA.
I still have time to choose my specialization in MBA, but there are so many! I feel like I still do not have a clear image of what I want to do in life. which Direction do I even go in.
People have told me to ponder on what I personally like to do and what my interests and hobbies are. If i found my answer doing that, i probably would not have made this post lol.

Looking back on myself, I think that people used to see me as a huge attention seeker. I was always the one that thought different-- E.g. If people pick option 1, I'd definitely pick option 2 for whatever reason that stood out to me more than the politically correct answer. But the thing is...

I actually wanted that option. I was not some stupid preppy. That I can confirm.

Am I the only one that had this problem? Like just thinking different, and people don't like you for it?

Thanks...

As the title suggests i don't have any motivation like what do I want to do in the future there are so many possible paths that I have no idea what to do I tried looking into many things that I think that I am stuck in my head all the time and school is not helping at all so how do I do that

Hi, I'm having a hard time finding intp Yotubers that talk about mtbi/intp personality. A lot of search results are the ai voice generated surface level stuff. What I want to see is content that dive deep into different topics. Stuff that I'm looking for are content similar to the infj Youtuber Clay Arnall (I reccomend checking him out). I really enjoy his deep discussion videos regarding infjs. Any suggestions for intps? I'm also open to other forms of mediums like podcasts.

INTPs are said to have a preference towards Physical/"Hard" sciences but that's never been my thing. Or rather, I don't feel like I have the brains for it even if I do find Physics, Astronomy and Biology very interesting.

However, I've always been quite good at subjects like art, any language learning courses, literature and I've always had a "talent" for memorizing history as well.

Currently I am a Linguistics major, which I am really enjoying, but it is very, visibly obvious that other majors - and really, everyone in general - deems our faculty less important or outright useless. Ours is like decades behind on renovations compared to the other buildings and we are hardly ever advertised as heavily.

I get this mindset and honestly I do think as well that we are somewhat less "important", but at the same time, I genuinely do think that Linguistics and other Humanities are very important as well.

I don't know, what do other INTPs think?

I saw this question on the INFP's thread so I wanted to know for INTPs.

Personally I have an ENTP brother... 🥲 It's not that I don't like him but sometimes I just can't bear him.