I skimmed through some old United States Marine Corp manuals around World War 1 and noticed a lot of the kicks appear to be moves from Savate and the same with a video I saw about the training for the OSS on Youtube (which was the predecessor to the CIA and the premier espionage agency during WWII from America). Just for a quick comparison I skimmed some Army and USMC FMs (what they call manuals for soldiers in the US military) and I don't see any Savate specific movies beyond using the toecap and heels for generic kicks in modern army stuff (though I have spotted some really Savate specific moves in the recent marine stuff like the coup de bas).

So I ask before the Cold War was Savate the biggest influence to the American military for hand to hand combat? Well at least for kicks and other leg strikes? If I want to give a specific detail for context almost all the techniques I seen across fight manuals from the American Civil War all the way to the first VE day focus primarily on boxing mixed with wrestling and common sense leg techniques like stepping one someone's foot during grappling. So even in the old stuff I come across, Savate still isn't used much. What I do notice is that when more advanced legstrikes that shown beyond kneeing someone in his private areas and Spartan kicks, is stuff like chasse lateral, coup de bas, fouette, and other Savate basics are taught but modified for the general soldier who aren't flexible and fore more practical realities (example the USMC manual shows foutte focused on the calf).

So I'm wondering can anyone give their input on this? Was Savate a major influence on the American military?

Afterall its quite famous that Sherlock Homes' style Bartitsu was famously taken from Savate and contemporary British military systems such as Defendu heavily used a number of specific Savate moves. Especially the version taught to commandos, spies, and other elite agents. So I'd assume its the same for the American military?

As a bonus question why did the American military practically completely abandoned any Savate influence in systems after the Korean War beyond the common sense "use the heels and steel toes of the boots to break bones" maybe perhaps except for the USMC? I can't find anything in army combatives outside of striking with heels and toecap in army combatives that looks Savate specific but I have seen the coup de bas in demonstrations on Youtube for higher levels of MCMAP and at least one instance of a reverse crescent kick (forgot the French word for the Savate specific equivalent). And even strategies that seem more associated with Savate such as throwing straight punches than sweeping someone with with a similar looking but different move to coup de bas but done from behind. So why did the Corps decide to leave some of the most pragmatic Savate moves in MCMAP unlike America's army who disposed all influence completely other than using specific parts of military boots to increase the destructiveness of the more MT and Japanese influenced kicks in modern combatives?

What makes me even more perplexed is that spies, secret agents, and other field agents in the American government who aren't military-based actually do learn Savate moves.Granted its indirectly from other systems like Krav Maga, Sambo, and Defendu and other Western military martial arts putting their influence into the stuff the CIA and other civilian agencies but the simple fact you can find modified variations of the fouette within them really makes me wonder why the US military except the Marine Corps completely abandoned any Savate fundamental 100% despite army experts like Matt Larsen supposedly going out to study different styles to develop the Modern Army Combatives? Why did the Marine Corp not follow this trend at least enough that I can still see stuff from WWII and even World War 1 era manuals in modern MCMAP that looked Savate specific?

Years ago I saw a martial arts debate which self-defense instructor Marc MacYoung (who has a degree in history) participated. Basically the debate was asking about working manual laborers beating martial artists and used a clip from a fictional TV show of a butcher who was overwhelming a trained soldier who was well-versed in martial arts (in fact he took out a bunch of bandits who held an entire train by hostage in prior episodes). to the point the soldier who was making movements to defend against the blow panicked at some point and the butcher was able to put some nasty cuts on hi arms because he fell down and was unable to continue proper defensive movements because he got overtaken by fear. Though in the end the soldier survived.

The person who asked the question said his relatives come from Algeria as a bonus point and were far more effective their cutting techniques when preparing for food (including cutting chickens heads off and preparing animal meat from the slaughterhouse) and also pointed out about the Algerian Revolution and rebels ambushing police and even a few military police with knives.

MacYoung made a point that being a soldier is different from fighting skills and a sa the debate continued it went off tangentially into military and history. From what I remembered MacYoung was telling the poster that the reality is that insurgencies never win wars and its the conventional army that wins wars and points out many examples like the Viet Cong getting demolished when they confronted a military force and made a mocking statement about multiple guerrillas like the French Resistance, Filipino bushwackers against Imperial Japan in WWII, and the FLN in Algeria not being able to beat the enemy until they get help from a conventional army like the American military battling the Japanese in Manila or the Allied forces commencing D-Day and other operations to force the Germans to retreat from France or alternetely the government decides its not worth spending money to occupy the territory (which he used for the FLN example)?

He adds with a comment asking the other person who sent the question that I remember going something along this lines.

What if the French decided to take Algeria for themselves and settle the country? They decided to start killing Algerians in every territory they send their own people from France into and rebuilt the new place for themselves with French infrastructure? You see for all the talk about all's fair in love and war, there are actual rules of engagements. You don't fight a people you seek to conquer and enslave the same way from stabilizing a country where most people don't really care about foreign occupation and just want to live their lives. In the same way an army's policies are completely different if the government's intention is to take new land for their citizens' benefits. Think the FLN will still be able to win if the French decides to goo hands offhandle Algeria as a new settler colony? While we are at it, people remember the 6 million Jew s who were killed in WWII. WHat people don't remember is the over 10 million Poles, Ukrainians, and other Slavs along with other unwanted peoples in the Eastern Front of World War 2. If the French decided to copy what the Nazis did in Eastern Europe, do you honestly believe Algeria would win? They only could operate the way they did because of French hesitancy to do genocides in the aftermath of WWII and fear of being associated with Nazi Germany's shadow.

THen he writes the other details I posted earlier about French Resistance being saved by the Allies, etc which I didn't write in this quote because I don't exactly remember how he said it. Even the quote above is just my recollection and not the exact thing he wrote but because I remembered it much better I did the best to my memory to rewrite it.

So I'm curious. What if the French became less restraint and decided to go more brutal in Algeria. If they take it to "wipe whole towns and cities level" or possibly even genocide? Would the FLN be unable to win the war? If avoiding outright genocide and preferring to avoid slaughtering whole towns and cities just not being white French and being "desert savages" as a racist French politician from the 19th century called them during the final years of complete conquest of Algeria , say they left it to Soviet style reprisals in the 70s and 80s in Afghanistan.

How would it all turn out in any of these 3 approaches? Would it lead to the complete destruction of the FLN and absolute victory for the French as Marc MacYoung claims? Or would none of this work and Algeria was bound to independence no matter what even if FLN and followers were systematically exterminated without any hesitation akin to Nazis and gassing entire populations they saw at subhumans? Is MacYoung wrong despite being so sure about his takes when he posted these resposnes in the martial arts discussion?

Hello everyone,

I am doing a research about the Siege of Acre for my school homework. Can you help me with how Fourier and Napoleon are related and do you know any information about Fourier and the Siege of Acre.

I really appreciate any help you can provide.

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--- 1885: Joseph Pulitzer, the owner of the New York World, one of the largest newspapers in the country, published an article in his own newspaper to persuade the people of the United States to raise money to build a pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. The statue was a gift from France. The people of France paid for, and built, the statue but America would have to build the pedestal. Surely the statue is the most significant part, but the pedestal is not a token element. The Statue of Liberty is 305 feet (93 meters) tall in total. The statue itself is 151 feet (46 meters) tall and the pedestal is 154 feet (47 meters) tall. So, the pedestal is half of the structure. The French were more enthusiastic in paying for their share of the project. But the U.S. had a little trouble raising the funds for the American share. So, Joseph Pulitzer argued in his newspaper article of this date:

"We must raise the money! The World is the people's paper, and now it appeals to the people to come forward and raise the money. The $250,000 that the making of the Statue cost was paid in by the masses of the French people- by the working men, the tradesmen, the shop girls, the artisans- by all, irrespective of class or condition. Let us respond in like manner. Let us not wait for the millionaires to give us this money. It is not a gift from the millionaires of France to the millionaires of America, but a gift of the whole people of France to the whole people of America."

The money started pouring in. In a brilliant move, as donations came in, Pulitzer published the name of every single person who gave money, no matter how small the amount. Besides listing their names, Pulitzer included details that the contributors sent to him about why they were donating or how they had come up with the money. Five months later, by August 11, 1885, approximately 125,000 Americans contributed over $100,000 to the New York World. Most of the donations were one dollar or less. As a result of Pulitzer's efforts, the pedestal was completed.

--- "Iconic American City Landmarks*".* That is the title of one of the episodes of my podcast: History Analyzed. Everybody is familiar with the Statue of Liberty, the Washington Monument, the Hollywood sign, the Gateway Arch, and the Space Needle. But do you know the stories behind these landmarks and how they tie into the histories of their cities? You can find History Analyzed on every podcast app.

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Hello, I'm interested into ancient orders and found this Order of the Holy Spirit. Established in 1578 and during the French Revolution, the Order of the Holy Spirit was officially abolished by the French government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Holy_Spirit

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This was headquoters of the order - Couvent des Grands-Augustins.

Part of the convent's outbuildings was purchased by Louis IV de Gonzague-Nevers, who built his mansion (the current location of the Hôtel de la Monnaie).

The rest of the convent was destroyed during the early years of the French Revolution. The land and buildings were sold in 1797 partly as a national property on which the Rue du Pont-de-Lodi was opened and the Vallée Market was established larger plot (currently, at this site there is a hotel residence "The Citadines").

Only one sundial at the bottom of a garden, and two tombstones remain from the old convent.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couvent_des_Grands-Augustins

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I wonder if there are some information left about this order, if something was saved or some texts or some knowledge?

Ideally one that's friendly to beginners and doesn't require much knowledge going in. This has proven surprisingly difficult to find!

I just found out married and not related by blood queens or kings are called consorts and dont hold any power? Was Marie a consort or that title is just a british thing? If she didnt hold any power and just agreed with King Louis XVI decisions she shouldn't be blamed for any political and law actions then no? And what would happen if Louis were suddenly to die in the middle of their reign? What would of happened to Marie?

As title states. My 12 year olds history class is making a mock trial of Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette, and their entourage. What line of questioning would you go for if you were trying to convict?

--- 1793: During the French Revolution, King Louis XVI is executed by guillotine at the Place de la Révolution in Paris. Fun fact: he was the last king to live at the Palace of Versailles.

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What books about the Gallo-roman period can you recommend?

(I'm looking through this list, but it doesn't review the books listed).

Hi! I’m starting to get interested in French history and I was wondering if anyone had any good books focusing on daily life? I prefer medieval period but I’m pretty new to French history so any would be appreciated.

Dreyfus was charged guilty of sending confidential military information to the German Embassy.

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The church of Notre-Dame-de-Bonsecours was built on the battle site itself, while church of St-François-des-Cordeliers was built in city of Nancy to commemorate the victory. The city adopted the motto of non inultus premor and the heraldic device of a thistle as its coat of arms . It also ended the Burgundy wars, and led to dissolution of Burgundy state.

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If I remember properly this guy was a favorite of the French royal court in the 18th century (he might have been a flutist or comedian unless I'm conflating him with someone else) but for some reason or other was exiled and ended up training cavalry for a local monarch in India only to fall off his horse and die. Can anyone help me out?

I made a new sub on French military tech and its history, it is called r/Berthier, enjoy!