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Don't know if it was a Black Friday sale or what but I think there's still a $50 off coupon on there anyways these were 190 with tax they would have been close to 250 without it.

Anyways my question is to specifically Ayo users.

How long did you use the glasses per day and how long did it take to shift your sleep time?

Also if anyone uses it for seasonal affective disorder how long did it take you per day and for how many days?

Thanks

Hey i hope it's ok me posting here, i am not diagnosed but im pretty sure i have DSPD. So from since i can remeber i always sleep around 1/2am no matteer what, i can do 2-3 shifts in a row of 12 hours, waking up at 5/6am and still not sleep tell 1/2am. This last like 14-15 months ive become self employed and since then it doesn't matter really when i sleep. However i've noticed in winter my sleep schedule goes completely wack, last decemeber i would sleep around 6am and wake up at 4pm, then jan/feb i was sleeping around 8am and waking up at around 6pm. This kinda went back to 3/4am ish in June-September Now for the last two months my sleeping pattern has been totally wack, first id sleep at 6am, but the last two weeks ive been falling asleep around 10-2pm, and this has caused me to have problems waking up most days i dont wake up tell 8pm, no matter what alarms i set what alarms i use (Tried alarmy just do the task and turn it of or i unistall it) i always end up turning them of and going back to bed cause im so exhausted. Ive tried pulling all nighters mutiple times but then end up back in the same pattern, i try and sleep and can be laying in bed for 2 hours and not sleep even though im super tired, does anyone have any tips? winter just seems to ruin my pattern

My neighbors constantly make a lot of noise during the day and wake me up. Often. Noisy MFers. And they know I hate it.

I’ve got a full music studio but since I’m not awake during the day much I can’t play during the day loud. I haven’t played my bass proper in probably 5 years. I hate my neighbors. One of them is a musician, too and hasn’t always been considerate in spite of me asking.

I’ve always had a fantasy of just cranking up my 800 watt bass amp at 3am 🕒 lol 😂 which is extremely loud and will shake the other condos. Even the ones not connected.

You can call me an asshole if you want but at 6am on Thanksgiving Day I was super drunk and wanted to play my bass for the first time in 5 years. Loud. So, I did lol.

The musician neighbor who was probably the only one who even realized what this ungodly violent bass funk sound was came knocking. I told him to fuck off and that he’s woken me up many times with his drums and bass and keyboards and guitar. He said he’d call the cops. I said ok. I never opened the door. I went back to my bass and played about 20 more minutes. I used an effect that made the bass normal plus an octave lower for extra housequake.

Been wanting to do this shit for like 5 years.

Revenge is sweet!!!

Edit: Anyone got any good revenge stories for noisy inconsiderate neighbors? For those downvoting. That’s fine. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do in life. This has been a long time coming. I can afford the downvotes. Believe me.

I fell asleep around 4:30am, so I was dead asleep when he called. He knows I have DSPD and we're in the early days of treatment. I hate this disorder so much.

(for those who sleep following their natural cycle) After trying treatment multiple times I'm finally starting to give up on trying to fit into the conventional schedule.

The biggest thing that has kept me from taking the leap and just live according to my natural cycle (7am to 4pm) is that I have no idea on how to live this way, I have never met of anyone who lives like this. All people around me tell me that's it's a miserable life, like how my social life will suffer, but my social life already does, because I'm always to tired to do anything either way.

I also live in a country where most things are closed at night, I don't have a driver's license or a car and rely on puplic transportation (daytime), so I'm very limited when it comes to going out for errands, appointments or getting a job, which is one of my biggest concerns, if I can't find a night time job in my city idk what else to do

I have tried staying up many times and not going to bed to try to fix myself. I’ve gone through this many times and lost a lot of sleep and it does work temporarily but it’s miserable. I wondered if I might try just sleeping as long as I possibly can like I’m sick And then not let myself get up till dawn. I never thought of doing, this anybody else ever tried it?

I've always been a heavy sleeper, but I feel like things are getting out of control now. For a while I'm not able to ever wake up on time. I felt like I was getting better at this, but today I slept through all of my classes. I usually sleep around 5-6 hours when I have classes, because I can never fall asleep, it usually takes me at least an hour or two. On days when I don't have classes my body will sleep for 12+ hours and if I don't sleep that much, I won't feel well rested. Waking up in the morning is so ridiculously hard for me and everything that's been working for some time eventually stops. This is what's attempting to wake me up each morning:

1. interactive alarm clock app- the alarm is extremely loud and I have to do a few tasks to turn it off, but I just started uninstalling the app in my sleep
2. regular alarms- I set about 10 of them on my phone- close by, my tablet- a bit further and my watch, but I either turn them off and go back to sleep or sonetimes I don't hear them at all
3. my mom and my friend calling me in the morning. This one usually works great for me, but sometimes I sleep through the call or just pick up saying I'm awake and then go to sleep right after

I feel like this is all getting out of my control, I keep skipping classes like this and I feel so terrible about it. There are some days when I have to wake up no matter what and each one of those days terrifies me. In one of the classes you can only be absent 3 times and for each of them you need a doctor's note- 1 more absence and they kick you out. I just used up my last one today. If you have any suggestions for me, please share them. I'm willing to try everything

It’s midnight where I am and I’m about to start making the two dishes I’m bringing to Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. I’m making my kick ass mushroom rosemary gravy and also Armenian green beans.

This way I can have a less stressful time getting ready to leave tomorrow and just reheat them.

Hi all,

I wanted to start a thread to see if folks have any advice on how to adjust (psychologically) to your natural circadian rhythm. As some background, I’m a mid 30s male working in academia. I was diagnosed in 2019, but have had sleep issues since my teens. I’ve never committed to living according to my natural rhythm, but the older I get the more it seems like a good idea and academia is about as flexible of an environment as you could ask for. . If you’ve done it, how did you adjust?

A few examples:

• I like seeing sunlight, and if I follow my natural rhythm all my daylight waking hours would be spent at work which feels odd.

• I feel a weird compulsion to try and be done at work and head home around 6 because that's the end of the "normal" working day? How do you change that?

• If half the working day is when your colleagues are gone, how do you deal with the isolation?

• What strategies do you use when most businesses start to close around 7?

DST is such a relief for me getting more sunlight in the evening hours. I was dismayed to discover there is a concerted effort to make Standard Time permanent. https://savestandardtime.com/

I find with my DSPD I can flex my wake up by 2 - 3 hours and DST that extra hour forward helps so much for me feeling fresh in the morning.

Anyone else notice a big difference Standard Time vs DST?

You MUST be able to travel to Ann Arbor in order to participate.

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Does anyone with bipolar take modafinil? How has it worked for you? Any side effects?

Just wondering if anyone has success with cheaper ones, or can provide a link to some tets of them? Not finding much out there for anything, but tests of Luminette 3, and AYO.

Also anyone had any problems wearing glasses with the Luminette 3, or AYO? I wear glasses, and dont want to buy ones that wont work. THANKS

Does anyone here experience their natural sleep wake times scalloping constantly? Like it makes no difference if I'm trying to advance my sleep so I can work a normal job or if I've given up and let it do what it wants- my sleep still jumps around. Right now I've forced myself into a 2am-10am average, but the time I fall asleep jumps around from 11pm to 4am in a consistent sine wave pattern. Before I started advancing my sleep, if anything, the amplitude (like the range of times I fall asleep) was even bigger. Sometimes I fell asleep at 10pm, sometimes at 8am, but averaged around 4-5am.

Does anyone else have this by constantly having to wake up earlier than their natural circadian rhythm wants them to? I always thought that it was just a natural feature of my skin until I recently managed to sleep to my natural schedule of 2am to 11:30am, where I was reminded that my under eye circles were significantly reduced and my skin was orders of magnitude better. I’ve observed this on many occasions but was reminded of this again recently. My under eye circles are generally significantly more prominent than 99% of people I know, unless I can sleep to my DSPD schedule!

i have been going to sleep in the early hours of the morning for years. i can not go to sleep at a “normal” time unless i have not slept for more than what my body can tolerate. i used to not care but i hate it now. i am seventeen and i have been living like this since i was twelve. it could be that i am young but i do not know.

Lately Ive been going to sleep anywhere from 7am- 2pm its driving me mad. I love sleep so much yet its betraying me. I keep staying up and pushing it till night time which just leaves me shaky, and exhausted. And then the next day I'm still tired so I nap repeating the daytime sleep pattern. How do I get on a normal schedule?

3-5am when "attempting" to not let It run free, if that makes sense. Much worse when no obligations Next day. Does anyone know if tasimelteon/ramelteon are worth a try? Any experience with orexin antagonists? I think i was basically misdiagnosed with insomnia like, yeah i might have It but i actually sleep no problems if It goes deep enough into the small hours. Just not at a normal waking time.

Im basically desperate, and wanting to understand how what should try in my Next appointment basically. I refuse to take antipsychotics due to how they basically fuck you over metabolically and cardiologically even at low dosages but this seems to be the go to prescription for some reason. Pls let me know what your experiences have been and What worked for you guys

Some of these glasses out here claim 100% 50%, but how am I supposed to know that they're actually going to do it. I can't trust these companies especially Chinese ones. I wear eyeglasses so I'm looking for ones that can be put over them or possibly clip-on,butclip-ons would be better but I'm worried about possible light coming in the sides? I guess I'll just list some questions if anyone can answer them that would be great.

1-can I use clip-on lenses or does it need to cover the whole side?

2-anyone know a specific glasses I could use that they have tested or somehow know blocks a very high amount or 100% of blue light? They need to be pulled over glasses like the ones that you can put over the top of regular glasses or clip-ons if those are usable for blue blocking

THANKS

After I was diagnosed and we decided that I would not be pursuing medication to moderate my sleep cycle, I have been much more present, productive, happy, and energized since working with my natural sleep cycle of 2 AM - 10 AM. It’s now months later and I’m finally no longer in a years long sleep deficit.

I pack my kid’s lunch and backpack the night before. I pick out their clothes. I basically make it easier for my husband to do the morning school routine. And then I sleep.

All my work is scheduled no earlier than 11 AM. I’m unavailable before then. No need to explain why, unless I want to. I eat on a schedule that works for me. I work on a schedule that works for me. No shame. Just normal functioning.

And if I absolutely have to wake up early every once in a while? It’s not a big deal anymore. I’m no longer chronically sleep deprived. One early start isn’t derailing my entire sleep schedule.

Deciding to work with my natural sleep cycle has been one of the best decisions of my adult life.

I've been seeing a sleep specialist for many months now, I didn't not get a sleep study but did have to answer a lot of questions and talk about my experience, the specialist seems confident its dpsd and not something else and I fully agree. I was under the impression I got diagnosed with it

I asked them to write a letter so I can get accomodations for school, when they gave it to me they referred to it as being about my diagnosis but when I later read it, it says""we identify a pattern of complains consistent with DSPD" which doesn't sound like a diagnosis to me.

I've never been diagnosed with anything so I don't know how it's supposed to go? Looking back I never got any papers or anything so I really feel like I didn't actually got diagnosed

Maybe I'm over thinking this but if Im undergoing treatment for something shouldn't I be diagnosed with first? And if they're unsure they shouldn't be treating me? I fear I won't get accomodations because of this

Does anyone happen to have any idea what the latest possible ages would be for someone who is affected by adolecent DSPD to shift into a more standard schedule? I've heard early 20s being thrown around a lot. I know everyone is different, but just wondering if there are any general cutoffs to be aware of. Thanks.

Melatonin works to advance my sleep onset closer to what I need for my work schedule (but definitely nothing like normalcy) along with luminette in the mornings and blue light blocking at night However, I can't take it anymore. I've been using a small amount-300 mcg. The next day melatonin makes me feel groggy, irritable, almost angry and snappy feeling. I don't feel like myself. I am withdrawn, foggy, hazy. Normally I am a lively bubbly person. It doesn't wear off until it's time to take the next dose. It also gives me nightmares. Sometimes I can sleep through them, other times I sleep for 2 hours and I wake up from a nightmare and stay up all night. Does anyone have an alternative that works for them? Or something that reverses the effects in the morning?

I currently work morning hours. I adore my job but it is killing me. 2nd shift would be a really good fit for me. Overnights would be easy to do but would wreck my sleep phase even more. I don't see many 2nd shift career options.

I don't feel like I am suited for blue collar work. I don't know much about it, so maybe there is something out there for me. I could not handle nursing. I would really enjoy hotels, but I worry about it not paying a living wage-unless there is a way to move up and make a career out of it? That may be harder if I'm not open to mornings or overnights. I could enjoy an administrative position at a hospital if they have all hours, but I worry about the living wage there too. I am a people person and I am an office job sort of person, but offices are usually more in the 8-5 range. I enjoy aspects of healthcare, but I have found that hands on patient care isn't for me. Healthcare adjacent I am open to. I am considering pharmacy tech if I can get certified and work hospital (assuming better pay and working conditions). I have considered polysomnography. I worry the job isn't/won't be in demand as much with the home sleep studies and technology changing, and also I'd be working overnights which would not be the healthiest choice for my sleep. I have considered dispatch but I am quite emotionally sensitive so I would be traumatized by the job probably. I have heard logistics can be all hours? I know very little about logistics if someone can point me in a direction. Thank you!

So I was diagnosed with DSPD as part of my ADHD diagnosis, but I'm only now actually thinking about it. I'm not sure it's correct, though?

My sleep has had MAJOR impacts on my adult life. Like, I've completely changed my entire career and made many job decisions in order to have work that doesn't require me to be up and awake every morning by 7/8am.

But it's not the 7/8am that's the problem, it's the every day.

My sleep cycle just seems to be totally uncontrollable and all over the place? Like I'll sleep 10pm - 6am one night, then 2am - 8:45am the next, then 1am - 9am, then 11pm - 8am, then 4am - 9am...

I have an alarm on my phone at night, so I get in bed between 11pm and midnight every night. I don't drink caffeine at all. Bright white lights in the morning. All my lights are super warm toned at night. No computer use after 7pm. I can't pinpoint any reason why, my brain just wants to sleep at different times each night it seems.

If I don't set an alarm in the morning, and can just wake up naturally, I feel completely fine. The only thing that ever made this disabling was having a job that required me to be there at the same time each day.

Do you think this is DSPD or something else?

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