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Definitions:

Creation postulates that the universe, Earth, and life were deliberately created by God. It encompasses a spectrum of beliefs on issues such as the age of the Earth, the limits of biological evolution, and to what extent natural processes were involved with the development of the cosmos. Creationists typically reject most common descent.

Intelligent Design (ID) holds that some features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause and not undirected processes, and this design can be detected. This cause may be something like aliens, extra-dimensional beings, or God (the most popular). ID differs from creationism in that it's an attempt to study design through scientific inquiry alone and is not based on religious texts. Some ID proponents accept common descent while others reject it. Most ID proponents are religious but some are not.

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Memories are not only in the brain, human cell study finds

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2024/11/10
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Gods separation of light from darkness on DAY ONE means darkness interferes with ligyt and so light speed claims.

Having been researching certain concepts in physcios recently especialy on light i conclude there is many errors in the old Spacetime thing from Einstein and how is relevant to creationism on deep time.

The big point is how light speed/fastest speed they say changes physics into crazy conclusions in what is called spacetime. Aside from that however for creationists is the obvious biblical fact. On day one God created light and then separated the light from the darkness so it was again datk so as to make use of light. this means, as is shown in physics, light can be interfered with. I suggest the obvious. Darkness interferes with light. So when light is proboked out from behind the separation boundary it still moves througfh darkness with resistence. That empty space out there is resisting lightspeed. I say light speed is instant and crosses the universe in a instant if that long. so deeptime from light from stars on this point alone is not a demanding conclusion. light from stars is being slowed down. In some way on creation week os was not slowed down but its natural speed. so Adam saw the light from stars etc.

The darkness must be interfering with light and so a great option it interferes with light as it moves through space today. Thus helping toward a explanation of deeptime issues and fixing this stuff about spacetime and time dilation errors.

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2024/11/05
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Sal on Denver KLTT Radio/Video: The Downfall of Evolutionary Biology

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2024/11/04
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Dinosaur Figurines, Fact or Fraud

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2024/11/01
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Where are thehuman artifacts?

Dear community,

if everything was buried during the flood, where are all the human artifacts, like their housing, Tools & cuttlery? Im not asking about humans and mammals, but their artifacts. I did a Google search & read some articles, so I feel like I know of the common arguments, but I am not satisfied. Any contributions to this topic please?

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2024/10/31
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Biological evolution is dead in the water of Darwin's warm little pond

I don't know how influential this article might be, or if it's "rigorous" enough to warrant publication, but I find it interesting that it is published, recently, in a journal called "ScienceDirect".

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0079610724000786

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2024/10/29
02:20 UTC

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Fossil record : Fish

Almost all fish have an integrated system to balance themselves in the water and swim in 6 directions guided by waves controlled by the fin system.

Dean, Bashford. 1987. Fishes: Living and Fossil. p.1

The fin system is highly integrated with the streamlined body and the tail, which acts as a rudder. All of this integrates with the swim bladder that fish use to regulate their depth in the water, and the dense muscle system that makes up a significant portion of the fish's body to enable it to swim in another model of integrated complexity for multiple systems. Add to that the so-called "lateral line", which is responsible for converting changes in water pressure and waves into electrical signals to help the fish detect movement around it through the water, to determine the location of prey or escape from predators. According to evolutionists, this biological submarine was not created, but rather "randomness" did it.

Fish are extremely diverse, so it is expected that we would find the so-called "numerous transitional forms" required to produce all of these species among the millions of marine fossils discovered. However, this has not happened. Quite simply, aquatic organisms are highly diverse; some live in deep waters, while others inhabit shallow waters. Some crawl on the bottom of the aquatic flat they live in or even burrow into it, and some can crawl on mud, like mudskippers, or even lie in ambush in a manner similar to terrapins in the heart of the mud during periods of receding water.

Each of these creatures is equipped with features that suit and benefit them in their lifestyle, and this does not imply that their diversity indicates a transformation from one type to another. Evolutionists often draw the famous arrow between one type and another. For example, evolutionists often point out that some fish living near the water surface have a flattened skull and raised eyes like those of amphibians, claiming that this is a step towards quadrupeds and terrestrial life, and draw the famous arrow. In reality, these fish have a skull and eyes shaped like this because they need to see upward more than their counterparts living in the depths, both to catch their prey of insects and small birds that come near the water's surface and to avoid any attack from a land or aerial predator coming from above.

(Figure 1)

"Lost world: Invasive palms and WWII damaged an island paradise. Could fungi help to restore it?" Nature | Vol 618 | 21 June 2023

The contemporary fish in figure 1 is anatomically successful not because it is on the path to transitioning into a terrestrial organism, but because this anatomy is more suitable for the shallow waters in which it resides. You will notice that the same article in Nature, which is an entirely evolutionary article, acknowledges the existence of complex networks for food transfer from birds to plants, fungi, marine organisms, and coral reefs. Therefore, there is no need to impose an evolutionary interpretation on the data.

The presence of organisms in shallow and deep waters, each adapted to its own conditions, is not because these were evolving into those suited for land, but due to the creation for the interconnected food chain and the varying environmental conditions of different habitats.

Today, we also know of a type of fish with lungs and gills. When transferred to land, its body undergoes multiple morphological changes in the limb bones, muscles, and some organs like the lungs to adapt to terrestrial life. This occurs within a single generation and is repeatable... not over millions of years, trial and error, or step by step, but as a rapid, clear, and direct programmed transformation in the organism in response to changing environmental pressures. It is a programmed transformation in the organism's genes because its environment and lifestyle demand it.

“Emily Standen is a scientist at the University of Ottawa, who studies Polypterus senegalus, AKA the Senegal bichir, a fish that not only has gills but also primitive lungs. Regular polypterus can breathe air at the surface, but they are “much more content” living underwater, she says. But when Standen took Polypterus that had spent their first few weeks of life in water, and subsequently raised them on land, their bodies began to change immediately. The bones in their fins elongated and became sharper, able to pull them along dry land with the help of wider joint sockets and larger muscles. Their necks softened. Their primordial lungs expanded and their other organs shifted to accommodate them. Their entire appearance transformed. “They resembled the transition species you see in the fossil record, partway between sea and land,” Standen told me. According to the traditional theory of evolution, this kind of change takes millions of years. But, says Armin Moczek, an extended synthesis proponent, the Senegal bichir “is adapting to land in a single generation”. He sounded almost proud of the fish…”

Stephen Buranyi "Do we need a new theory of evolution?" The guardian (June 2022).

Now, imagine finding a creature like this as a fossil without any way to study it alive... Evolutionists would classify it as a “transitional form” on the path to transitioning from the sea to land over millions of years, while in reality, this organism quickly exhibits and disables these traits to adapt to the environment. Perhaps another sample of the same organism is found in the water with aquatic adaptations, and evolutionists draw an arrow between them without realising they are literally the same species. Hundreds of DNA sequences distributed across a large number of chromosomes are used by fish as building blocks for various adaptations that suit different environments and can be used to produce hundreds of adaptations - pre-equipped within the same organism to adapt to different lifestyles, not gradients from one type to another. Of course, if all this were found solely in fossils without studying the genes, many would confidently conclude that these are stages of evolution from one species to another, rather than all being the same species with a high capacity for adaptation to different environments.

“They found hundreds of distinct DNA regions strongly tied to different ecological niches and scattered across 22 chromosomes. “We think that’s the key to make hundreds of species and not just two or three,” Seehausen says. When the fish hybridize, they can rearrange these modular genes, “almost like Lego bricks,” he says, to build many possible combinations suited, for example, to a rocky inshore fish that feeds on insects, or one that eats the same bugs but lives in weedy lake grass.”

Amy McDermott "Inner Workings: Reeling in answers to the freshwater fish paradox" PNAS September 7, 2021 118 (36).

Structures highly specialised for feeding allow the same types of fish to switch between them repeatedly across generations based on the type of food... Once again, if these structures were found solely in fossils, evolutionists would confidently assert that they represent “transitional stages” from one organism to another and allegedly "evolved" in jaw structure, or a “transition” from jawless to jawed creatures, or any other evolutionary narrative. However, when viewed as mere adaptations that living populations easily shift between as they enter new environments, the group dynamics of life become more fluid.

“The pharyngeal jaw apparatus of cichlids, a second set of jaws functionally decoupled from the oral ones, is known to mediate ecological specialization and often differs strongly between sister-species...Analyzing the lower pharyngeal jaw-bones we find significant differences between diet groups qualitatively resembling the differences found between specialized species.”

Moritz Muschick et al., "Adaptive phenotypic plasticity in the Midas cichlid fish pharyngeal jaw and its relevance in adaptive radiation" BMC Evolutionary Biology 2011, 11: 116.

The point to be clarified is: there are many variations and adaptations that the same living group of fish can produce to adapt to different environments, and if found independently, they would seem and be treated as distinct groups and different “evolving” species. Now let's take a look at the fossil record of fish.

(Figure 2)

Evolutionists claim that fish evolved from the fossil Pikaia (figure 2), which resembles a worm, but they say that it is just a “reasonable model”, and there is no real evidence for that, as its classification is highly dubious.

“Determining the phylogenetic position of Pikaia is problematic.”

Benton, M. J. 2015. Vertebrates Originate. In Vertebrate Paleontology.

Bond Carl E. 1996. Biology of Fishes. Second Edition. P.78.

Regardless of their acceptance or rejection, the allegedly “evolution from a worm to a fish” is not as simplistically portrayed by the theory of evolution. Worms are soft-bodied, hindering their ability to achieve the necessary balance for swimming. Therefore, they would need to increase their rigidity while maintaining flexibility. They would also require fins, a head, a brain, complex sensory organs, and all the transitional stages necessary to develop these complex structures, which are not evident.

Moreover, reliance on lancelets, to which this fossil belongs, for explaining the “origin” of the vertebral column highlights the co-occurrence of vertebrates and invertebrates in the Cambrian explosion, where neither evolved from the other.

The Origin of Fins:

Theory of Evolution, as usual, presents us with vague stories and reductionist hypotheses..."maybe fins may have evolved from folds in the skin or mutated scales" and as usual, the only "evidence" is "evolution certainly occurred, so there must be some scenario to explain it". Fins are not just protrusions from the fish's body; they have a support system of cartilage, muscles, nerves, and bones that work in coordination with them. Imagination does not solve the problem of claiming that the origin of all these structures is through the so-called "DNA replication errors”.

Janvier, Philippe. 1999. “Catching the First Fish”  Nature 402: 21-22.

(Figure 3)

Evolutionists claimed that the conodonts (figure 3) were “transitional forms”, only to later ascertain that they are complex, not primitive or “transitional shapes”.

Shu, D-G, S. Conway Morris, L. Zhang, L. Chen, J. Han, M. Zhu and LZ. Chen. 1999 “Lower Cambrian Vertebrates from South China” Nature 402:42-46.

They also assumed that the fossilized calci-chordates were “evidence” of “transitional forms”, but they were contradicted by other morphological and anatomical evidence."

Lefebvre, Bertrand. 2000. Homologies in stylophora: A test of the Calcichordate theory. Geobios 33(3):359-364.

Agnathans:

They are the oldest types of fish in the fossil record. Therefore, even if we ignore the alleged claim that they "evolved", we should at least be able to observe this supposed "evolution" after their appearance. However, once again, the fossil record defies this, preserving consistent forms from their initial appearance until we reach their living counterparts today.

Colbert, Edwin H., Michael Morales, and Eli C. Minkoff. 2001. Evolution of the vertebrates: A history of the Backboned animals through time, 5th ed. p.24

Bond Carl E. 1996. Biology of Fishes. Second Edition. p.78

Repetskil, John E. 1978. “A Fish from the upper Cambrian of North America” Science: 200:529-531.

Cephalaspids :

Extinct jawless fish groups. Evolutionists assume them as ancestors, but later they admitted the absence of suitable ancestral forms. Their extinction was not due to evolution.

Colbert, Edwin H., Michael Morales, and Eli C. Minkoff. 2001. Evolution of the vertebrates: A history of the Backboned animals through time, 5th ed. p.50.

Romer, Alfred. 1966. Vertebrate Paleontology. University of Chicago press. P.22.

Jawed Fish:

Evolutionists consider the emergence of jawed fish a “great evolution” due to the significant differences between the ability of the jawless system to filter and absorb nutrients from the environment and the ability of the jawed system to consume prey. They claim that this is a great advancement and that it's supposed to have come step by step along the path of evolution. However, discoveries often bring unwanted surprises for them, as there are no traces of the required steps. Many samples assumed to represent transitional stages toward the jaw have been contested by other experts, who argue that they are specialised features for a specific lifestyle rather than "primitive traits".

“specialized rather than primitive upon phylogenetic investigation”

Brazeau, M. D. and M. Friedman. 2015. The origin and early phylogenetic history of jawed vertebrates. Nature. 520 (7548): 490-497.

(Figure 4)

Evolutionists assumed that Acanthodii (figure 4) were a "transitional link", but conflicting research emerged saying no evidence for that.

Barton, Michael. 2007. Bond’s Biology of Fishes. Third Edition, Thomson Brooks  p.130

The evolutionists then turned to Placoderms, which are armored fish with plates, well-preserved in fossils. As usual, the presence of an excellent fossil record hinders evolutionary imagination and interpretative scenarios to the extent that the chain built by evolutionists upon Placoderms was described as evolutionarily impossible, suggesting that the situation would have been better for the theory if they did not exist.

Romer, Alfred. 1966. Vertebrate Paleontology. University of Chicago press. p.24 p.33.

"When it comes to jawed fish, studies indicate that the jaw in fish relies on a mechanical mechanism used in engineering designs called the four-bar linkage mechanism. It consists of levers, joints, and segments to transfer motion from one part to another. This suggests that the issue has nothing to do with evolutionary imagination, which tells stories of a jaw that might not have functioned well initially and then 'evolved' over time.

In reality, the jaw requires multiple overlapping pieces in the correct shape to perform any function, and these pieces are not just bones with a simple four-bar linkage design but also involve muscles that will move all of this. What's fascinating is that research shows that the different jaw designs among fish adhere to specific measurements and controls.

"Skull mechanisms such as levers and linkages are subject to physical constraints (Westneat 2003), which may only be broken when a fundamentally new engineering system for feeding arises."

Mark W Westneat et al., "Local phylogenetic divergence and global evolutionary convergence of skull function in reef fishes of the family Labridae" Proceedings of Biological Science 2005 May 22; 272(1567): 993–1000.

So, even if we ignore the origin of the first jaw, there are no alleged gradual steps between it and others. Instead, it would require a radical change in the engineering design, and they claim that these changes have appeared multiple times without a common predecessor and without any intermediate stages.

"unparalleled higher-level pattern of convergence that is occasionally punctuated by major transitions in engineering design."

Yet, despite this, they are dogmatically attributed to the theory of evolution. They said that there are 14 distributors across classifications that lack a common ancestor.

“Mechanically fast jaw systems have evolved independently at least 14 times from ancestors with forceful jaws”

So basically what they are doing is when they encounter difficulty, they say “convergent evolution”.

Bony Fish:

Bony fish are divided into two distinct types: ray-finned fish and lobe-finned fish, each with different characteristics. There is no “reasonable evolutionary scenario” or “transitional forms” for them.

Shu, D-G, S. Conway Morris, L. Zhang, L. Chen, J. Han, M. Zhu and LZ. Chen. 1999 “Lower Cambrian Vertebrates from South China” Nature 402:607.

(Figure 5)

One of the unpleasant surprises for evolutionists is the discovery of bony fish (figure 5) with a spinal column in Cambrian layers, which completely contradicts the proposed evolutionary scenarios starting from the appearance of primitive chordates first, and then their gradual evolution.

Simon Conway Morris and Jean-Bernard Caron "A primitive fish from the Cambrian of North America" Nature (2014)

"Metaspriggina: Vertebrate Fish Found in Cambrian Explosion"

"Skeletal structure and camera-like eyes in the Cambrian explosion before the organisms from which these features were allegedly claimed to evolve. No consolation for evolutionary scenarios and images filled with arrows."

Elpistostege:

Only one fossil has common features with two groups, making evolutionists consider it a missing link between bony and non-bony fish. However, it faces two problems. The first one [a problem shared by many alleged “transitional forms”] is that it possesses fully developed characteristics and is not in a transitional stage.

Barton, Michael. 2007. Bond’s Biology of Fishes. Third Edition, Thomson Brooks p.131

The second problem is that it appeared simultaneously with bony fish, which negates it being a stage towards them.

Benton, Michael. 2005. Vertebrate Palaeontology. Malden, MA: Blackwell. P.62

Add to all this the discovery of fish, similar to modern fish, very early in the fossil record.

Botella, Hector, Henning Bloom, Markus Dorda, Per Erik Ahlberg and Philippe Janvier. 2007. “Jaws and Teeth of the Earliest Bony Fishes” Nature 448(2):583.

Because the richness of the fossil record of fish poses a problem for evolutionary hypotheses, evolutionists differ on whether fish “evolved” from a single ancestor or multiple ancestors. However, the fact remains that all major groups, from jawless fish to placoderms, cartilaginous fish, bony fish, and lobe-finned fish, appeared in close succession.

Janvier, Philippe. 2006. “Modern look for ancient Lamprey” Nature, 443(26): 921-924 October

Jablonski, David, Kaustuv Roy, James W. Valentine, Rebecca M. Price, and Philip S. Anderson. 2003. “The Impact of the pull of the recent on the history of marine diversity” Science, 300:1133-1135

As usual, evolutionists resort to their last line of defense: "The fossilization is rare it didn't preserve them" However, given its richness and the presence of all major known fish today, with detailed specimens showing bones, fins, and skulls, this argument is ridiculous.

Maisey, John G. 1996. Discovering Fossil Fishes. New York: Henry Holt. p.10

Benton, Michael. 2005. Vertebrate Palaeontology. Malden, MA: Blackwell. p.62

The excuse that the aquatic environment hasn't changed since the appearance of fish, so fish didn't evolve, does not explain the sudden appearance of all these diversities, as each group appears abruptly and without ancestors.

Strahler, Arthur N. 1987. Science and Earth History – The Evolution/Creation Controversy. Buffalo, NY: Prometheus books. p.408.

We will not delve into another evolutionary problem when discussing fossils, which is complex behaviors like migration that require a navigation system, data recording, and the ability to compete with modern analytical labs in analyzing water to determine the required migration path. The theory of evolution does not explain all of this, lacking reasonable functional "transitions" except for some hypotheses and stories that they imagine.

As a simple example, the transition of salmon from freshwater to saltwater during migration requires changes in kidney function rates and adjustments in the molecular pumps on the gill cell walls to expel sodium rather than absorb it (these changes are reversed upon re-entry into freshwater). The fish itself adjusts its behavior, starting to drink large amounts of water in preparation for the next stage, as it has been programmed. The cell walls of these cells contain Na+/K+ ATPase pumps responsible for regulating sodium and potassium. In freshwater (low in sodium), these pumps work to draw sodium inside, whereas in saltwater (high in sodium), the pump's operation reverses to expel it.

“Unless dealt with effectively, this NaCl influx could kill the salmon in a short time. In sum, a salmon in the ocean is faced with the simultaneous problems of dehydration (much like a terrestrial animal, such as yourself) and salt loading. However, if fresh water, the problem is basically reversed. Here, the salmon is bathed in a medium that is nearly devoid of ions, especially NaCl, and much more dilute than its body fluids. Therefore, the problems a salmon must deal with in fresh water environments are salt loss and water loading.... In the ocean, these Na+-Cl– ATPase molecules ‘pump’ Na+ and Cl– out of the salmon’s blood into the salt water flowing over the gills, thereby causing NaCl to be lost to the water and offsetting the continuous influx of NaCl. In fresh water, these same Na+-Cl–ATPase molecules ‘pump’ Na+ and Cl– out of the water flowing over the gills and into the salmon’s blood, thereby offsetting the continuous diffusion-driven loss of NaCl that the salmon is subject to in fresh water habitats with their vanishingly low NaCl concentrations.”

http://www.unm.edu/~toolson/salmon_osmoregulation.html

how molecular pumps and filtration systems in the kidneys and gills of marine organisms allegedly "originated through gradual changes " to expel salts and retain water in saltwater, while expelling water and attracting salts in freshwater to maintain the fish's internal environment ? Such examples in the intricate branches of living organisms (which are numerous, and we have just taken this as an illustrative model) indicate that the issue is not just the emergence of a specific body plan but sometimes the variations on this plan itself.

In this model alone, we have complex behaviors like migration that require geographical guidance and mechanisms to adjust the body's functions at times of entering and exiting saltwater, regulating the fish's behavior itself to stay for a period in the intertidal zone until adjustments are completed, and even drinking plenty of freshwater.

Of course, to support the processes of jumping and exiting the water, which reduces oxygen levels, the fish's heart is equipped with high levels of enzymes that help push hemoglobin to release more oxygen.

Sarah L. Alderman et al., "Evidence for a plasma-accessible carbonic anhydrase in the lumen of salmon heart that may enhance oxygen delivery to the myocardium" Journal of Experimental Biology RESEARCH ARTICLE| 01 MARCH 2016.

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2024/10/27
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The Robot Repairmen Inside You

Secrets of the cell ep. 9 feat. biologist Michael Behe

Every time I see the interdependent complexity of biology I'm astounded..

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2024/10/26
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Choose your weapon

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2024/10/26
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Refutation of the "Horse Evolution series"

There was criticism of horse fossils because they were a trend among the Darwinists at that time (2000), but it collapsed, and the Darwinists fled to the whales. Therefore, Jonathan exposed the falsification of the new icon instead of horses. However, this does not prevent reminding of the problems of the old icon with the evolutionists' own admission.

For decades, a "series" of horse fossils was presented as a solid model for "horse evolution" and was popular in textbooks and museums (just like the "whale series" today). However, evolutionists themselves were eventually forced, with increasing criticism, to admit that this series does not represent an evolutionary model because many of the "links" are not evidence that they are arranged in this chronological order. It turned out that they were contemporary that lived alongside each other and are not creatures descended from one another. One of the "links" turned out to be close to a living contemporary creature resembling a rabbit with no relation to the supposed horse evolution line.

"There have been an awful lot of stories, some more imaginative than others, about what the nature of that history [of life] really is. The most famous example, still on exhibit downstairs, is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps fifty years ago. That has been presented as the literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that is lamentable, particularly when the people who propose those kinds of stories may themselves be aware of the speculative nature of some of that stuff"

Niles Eldgridge, quoted in Darwin's Enigma by Luther D. Sunderland (Santee, CA, Master Books, 1988), p. 78

"The popularly told example of horse evolution, suggesting a gradual sequence of changes from four-toed fox-sized creatures living nearly 50 million years ago to today's much larger one-toed horse, has long been known to be wrong. Instead of gradual change, fossils of each intermediate species appear fully distinct, persist unchanged, and then become extinct. Transitional forms are unknown"

Boyce Rensberger, Houston Chronicle, November 5, 1980, p. 15

"The horse is often cited as the only fully worked-out example. But the fact is that the line from Eohippus to Equus is very erratic. It is alleged to show a continual increase in size, but the truth is that some variants were smaller than Eohippus, not larger. Specimens from different sources can be brought together in a convincing-looking sequence, but there is no evidence that they were actually ranged in this order in time"

Gordon Rattray Taylor, The Great Evolution Mystery, Abacus, Sphere Books, London, 1984, p. 230

"Equus nevadensis and Equus occidentalis: have been discovered in the same layer as Eohippus"

Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe: Where Darwin Went Wrong, New American Library, New York, 1982, pp. 16-17, 19

David Raul, “Conflicts between Darwin and Paleontology," Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin 30(1) (1979): 25

And perhaps one of the ironies in the "horse evolution series" is that some species that are supposed to be ancestors of others actually appear in fossils in the same period, such as Pliohippus, which is assumed to have descended from Merychippus, despite their appearance according to the fossil record in the same period together around the supposed period of 15.97 million years ago.

It's like your father and your grandfather being born in the same year. Of course, this is in addition to the fact that many fossils in this "series" are taken from different continents, which strongly challenges the possibility of them being the same species that changes. Some large ancient fossils are deliberately ignored because they would conflict with the presentation of the creature, which changes by displaying the series as if the species in it grows and then shrinks... that if it was one species to begin with.

There's also some analysis that challenges the possibility of the claimed first ancestor (the small animal Hyracotherium) being a suitable ancestor for the horse.

"CI 0.32...The results also suggest that "Hyracotherium" is not representative of the basal morphology of the perissodactyls, and no currently identified fossil provides a good candidate for that morphology."

David J. Froehlich "Phylogenetic Systematics of Basal Perissodactyls" Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology Vol. 19, No. 1 (Mar. 15, 1999), pp. 140-159.

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2024/10/24
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POV: You are an E. coli bacterium in the LTEE

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2024/10/22
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Creationist Stuart Burgess on Cover of Secular Peer-Reviewed Science Journal

This was the journal with the cover story:

https://www.mdpi.com/2313-7673/9/9

It did NOT promote creationism directly, but it showed that Dr. Burgess is a researcher and professor of Robotics and Bio-Mechanics knows what he is talking about and is respected in the field. This lends credibility when he speaks authoritatively against evolutionists who say biology is poorly designed.

Dr. Burgess has, without explicitly mentioning it in the recent flood of articles he's published, destroyed the "Bad Design" arguments of evolutionary evangelists like Nathan Lents, Jerry Coyne, Francisco Ayala, John Avise, and so many others.

Dr. Burgess put Nathan Lents in his place. See: https://youtu.be/KsTVUt8ayWI?si=L3zw0clJTRBM8zwr

There are other examples of evolutionists like Coyne and Ken Miller also saying things that are now falsified, but still repeated by committed Darwinists.

Burgess had been a professor at Cambridge, and is a visiting professor at Liberty (in the USA), where I'm a delayed-enrollment PhD student in Bio-Molecular engineering. So, technically, I'm a student at his school!

I spoke to Dr. Burgess today in a private conference, and I hope I can collaborate with him on some projects.

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2024/10/20
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My response to an exchange I had with Dr. Dan regarding my SpringerNature Reference Chapter

[many thanks to Schneule's research, I was able to put together a response to an objection Dr. Dan had to my "bonkers equation" in my peer-reviewed reference chapter]

The following video is HIGHLY technical, but it shows the level of discourse that is sometimes necessary to move the Creation/Evolution debate forward:

https://www.youtube.com/live/zEo_DFJND-M?si=dOhLBRA6MhI1Zqeq

Again, many thanks to Schneule for all his help.

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2024/10/14
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Convergent evolution in multidomain proteins

So, i came across this paper: https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002701&type=printable

In the abstract it says:

Our results indicate that about 25% of all currently observed domain combinations have evolved multiple times. Interestingly, this percentage is even higher for sets of domain combinations in individual species, with, for instance, 70% of the domain combinations found in the human genome having evolved independently at least once in other species.

Read that again, 25% of all protein domain combinations have evolved multiple times according to evolutionary theorists. I wonder if a similar result holds for the arrival of the domains themselves.

Why that's relevant: A highly unlikely event (i beg evolutionary biologists to give us numbers on this!) occurring twice makes it obviously even less probable. Furthermore, this suggests that the pattern of life does not strictly follow an evolutionary tree (Table S12 shows that on average about 61% of the domain combinations in the genome of an organism independently evolved in a different genome at least once!). While evolutionists might still be able to live with this point, it also takes away the original simplicity and beauty of the theory, or in other words, it's a failed prediction of (neo)Darwinism.

Convergent evolution is apparently everywhere and also present at the molecular level as we see here.

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Science Professor Canceled by Atheists Because He Exposed Students to Evidence of Intelligent Design

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2024/10/07
18:21 UTC

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Debate and Aftershow: Evolution on Trial, Salvador Cordova and Carissa vs. Max and Jen (Dr. Dan and Sal aftershow)

The actual debate was somewhat a dumpster fire, BUT it gave me practice in putting forward elements of a college-level anti-Evolution, pro-Intelligent design course.

It sadly highlights some degenerate aspects of the current culture where a drugged up musician with practically no science background is celebrated by his fan club as if he made compelling scientific arguments.

This is a comment by a viewer that describes our opponent named Max:

You can tell Max isn’t very good at this. He was out of his league. Carissa, Sal, and Jen are far more sophisticated and professional in their debate tactics. Max should stick to creating his drug fueled music for clubs. Way out of his wheel house here. Several times Jen looked uncomfortable to be on the same team as him.

Many many thanks to Carissa for being my tag-team partner. That said here is a link to the 3-hour debate: DEBATE: Evolution on Trial | Sal Cordova & Carissa Vs Jen & Max

https://www.youtube.com/live/ur-Qw67-GGU?si=1pHOqUoRF-frptqm

The 1.70 hour aftershow starring Sal and Dr. Dan was VERY nerdy but here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/live/R50z3iLA7F0?si=kxPhgzyvvJZmMGJd

So there you have it, about 5 hours worth of debate on evolution!

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2024/10/05
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Some questions about radiometric dating...

Could someone ELIF the problems with isochron dating? I understand the basic idea of isochron dating; I'm just trying to understand how it goes wrong.

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2024/09/27
19:49 UTC

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"Mountains after the Flood" full film is now released for free on YouTube.

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2024/09/27
00:25 UTC

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On the probability to evolve a functional protein

I made an estimate on the probability that a new protein structure will be discovered by evolution since the origin of life. While it might actually be possible for small folds to evolve eventually, average domain-sized folds are unlikely to come about, ever (1.29 * 10^-37 folds of length above 100 aa in expectation).

I'm not sure whether this falls under self promotion as this is a link to my recently created website but i wrote this article really as a reference for myself and was too lazy to paste it again in here with all the formatting. If that goes against the rules, then the mods shall remove this post. Here is the article in question:

https://truewatchmaker.wordpress.com/2024/09/11/on-the-probability-to-evolve-a-functional-protein/

Objections are welcome as always.

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2024/09/11
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The seeming obviousness that farkness separating us from perfect light is a resisting medium to light as it travels through it.

i say there is no speed of light and so its instant and so deeptime by starlight measurement is false. After watching lots of youtube shows on light and how mixrf up they are. I say its probably simple. On Day one god created light, then forced to seaparate from the darness to turn the light off to allow light as a tool only. so simply darness interferes with the light. Explosions knowc a hole through it, called the sun/stars/matches, and the light escapes. yet the light is still, i suggest, be resisted in the medium called darness. just as light is slower moving through the mediums of water, glass, air. Space is not a vacume but , even on probability curve, likely a medium that also interferes with light giving a false conclusion light moves and has a speed. So God creaying light on day one is the only light ever created. Deeptime is error of scholarship and imahination and evidence. Unl;ess someone can shed better light on this!

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2024/09/07
01:40 UTC

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DNA Code Has Grammar

The discovery of a “spatial grammar” in the genome could “rewrite genetics textbooks,” announced an article on SciTech Daily on August 23.https://crev.info/2024/08/dna-grammar/

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2024/08/29
16:10 UTC

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When an Atheist Professor’s Worldview Imploded | Evolution News

For 25 years, John D. Wise considered Darwinian evolution the most plausible explanation for life’s origin and development. But as he studied the latest evidence in molecular biology, genetics, astronomy, and other fields, he began to realize that modern science was confirming many of the predictions and arguments of intelligent design. On a new episode of ID the Future, I talked with professor and author John D. Wise about his surprising journey from atheism to Christianity. https://evolutionnews.org/2024/08/when-an-atheist-professors-worldview-imploded/

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2024/08/29
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The speed of light, veritaslum, says can't be measured one way and so questions accuracy.So deep time by light speed is suspect even by non creationists.

On a famous science blog called Veritasium, a episoe was done called" WHY no one has measured the speed of light" Its about how the one way speed of light is not measurable or not yet. If you watch it leads to a conclusion that lught speed could be instant that is someone looking at someone mars might see thier light instantly but they would see the earth guys light twenty minutes later. Anyways I say there is no light speed but its instant according to genesis read carefully. so its interesting and imnportant non creationist thinkers see a option that light speed could be instant anywhere without time passig. So this reasoning would be helpful to organized creationism in denying deep time by use of light speed. Everybodyt check it out carefully.

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2024/08/29
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Last Universal Common Ancestor is Anti-Evolution

If one postulates evolution, then the origin of LUCA must be evolutionary processes. To have LUCA, all evolutionary processes that resulted in LUCA must fail because, according to the postulate, you only have one LUCA after that point.

The last universal common ancestor (LUCA) is the hypothesized common ancestral cell from which the three domains of life, the Bacteria, the Archaea, and the Eukarya originated.

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2024/08/17
21:36 UTC

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100-200 million years to evolve modern bacteria?

I came across an article on evolution news referencing a new paper claiming that the LUCA (last universal common ancestor) had a genome of at least 2.5 Mb or about 2600 proteins, based on phylogenetic reconstructions. This is about half the size of modern ecoli... Apparently, the LUCA is estimated to have lived ~4.2Ga, thus there seem to be only 100-200 million years from the origin of life to the LUCA.

That's one new protein in the lineage leading to the LUCA every 77k years. Impressive!

Let's apply some real data to this: The LTEE bacteria gave a total genomic mutation rate of 0.00041 per generation on average. These populations evolved from 1988 and the corresponding paper from 2011 reviewed 40k generations, so there have been 40000/(2011-1988) = 1739 generations / year. Applying this to LUCA, there might have been 77000 * 1739 * 0.00041 = 54900 fixed mutations in 77k years. So one new protein every 55k (fixed) mutations? For comparison, the LTEE genomes shrank in size (63kbp loss after only 50k generations / ~1200 mutations)...

As a side note, the authors also claim "although LUCA is sometimes perceived as living in isolation, we infer LUCA to have been part of an established ecological system". For some reason all the other organisms existing at this time left not a shred of evidence for their existence though.

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2024/08/16
08:49 UTC

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Long Lifespans Before the Flood

Readers of the Biblical book of Genesis may have noticed that people living before the Flood of Noah lived to be about ten times longer than the current human lifespan.

Recent scientific research has indicated that some fossilized small mammals (which Young-Earth Creationists and Flood proponents believe were pre-Flood creatures buried and fossilized in the Flood) lived to be about 14 times their current lifespans.

https://www.icr.org/articles/type/9/

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2024/08/15
23:27 UTC

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