I just learned about collapse. But I've been heading away from hyper growth for a while. Moved close to family, away from the city. Not looking for a job where I need to put in 1000% just taking step back to get some money.

I'm considering total career change as even though articles online insist they need people in my profession, I'm not seeing many jobs and seeing people get laid off. All the jobs in my specialty are in the city anyway so I have to take about 100k less than I used to.

So if you had a fresh start and could do anything what would be the way to go? I do need to make money to survive. From what I gather people tend to start learning skills that would be useful in a post collapse world like permaculture, canning, first aid or trades. Also working towards becoming self sufficient for survival.

I'm single which kind of sucks for being self sufficient and although I'm rural to stay near my family houses are still very expensive (over 1 mil) and i dont have a house. Ideally I'd like small land/yard to garden, rain water or well set up and full solar but that's out of my budget unless I move further away. Taking care of my family is my main priority right now.

Maybe this is just one of the stages of learning about collapse. It doesn't depress me, it seems to make sense. I'd just rather prepare a bit and do something actually useful/helpful than sit around on my computer all day for work.

Hey everyone,

I joined this sub when it popped up as I have a terrible feeling about the state of the world and where we’re headed.

But I just wanted to ask, is everyone in the sub concerned about the same things? Namely climate change? Or is there something else too?

We are trying to help recruit doctors and nurses for what I feel is likely a collapse resilient part of the Canadian prairies for folks looking to make a move - like I did.

We can offer:

• Bonuses for doctors
• Access to recruiters to help navigate the process
• Help finding a realtor or property
• Sharing knowledge of growing and preserving food
• Contacts for farm to plate options
• Snowshoe lessons

More details from my first post. A similar post with some comments.

An acreage for sale.

Provincial requirements. I can get you contact information for a recruiter.

Feel free to ask questions here, or send a message.

I'm young, fit and healthy. I have a high paying job that I really like. I'm kind and compassionate. I'm in a wonderful relationship with the woman of my dreams. We save plenty of money every month and live comfortably. Yet I lie awake some nights in fear of what is to come.

I always thought I would be a great father. I will grieve what has been taken from us, but I cannot in good conscience bring life into this world knowing what I know now about our near future.

I don't even know what the aim of this post is. Just looking for some support and to lament the world we have destroyed.

It didn't have to be this way.

Happy Thanksgiving!

It's a day many people give thanks, whether it's family, friends, etc. Collapseniks (at least me) might give thanks for what seem like trivial things to people who are not collapse-aware, and might not be able to freely discuss them with the underlying context of collapse. Non-collapseniks do not envision a future without the conveniences of the 21st century, a global society with relatively few conflicts or issues, where it's notable to recognize even the trivial things today that might not be present in the future

So, whether it's standard Thanksgiving things or something you're thankful for due to collapse, let's hear it!

When do you guys think that public consciousness will be raised and the general public realizes our predicament? I feel like if things go the way we think they will 2030 may be the year just because if we haven’t reduced emissions by 50% by that point there’s no hopium the climate scientists can cling to then and they may just start saying screw it and just getting the word out to the public it’s over. Will be very interesting to see what happens when consciousness is finally realized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFe_Y4btwWs .

The reason why you have a hard time to cope with reality is because you've lost your will. Know who you are. Know where you came from. Know why you should continue to keep going. Under pressure, life will find it's way, no matter how difficult it will be. The people running around are simply afraid to die. Have kids, spiritually or in flesh, for good reasons, they will have joy, even in a world like this, transmit them your values, and allow them to fight on your behalf. This is what culture is all about. Memory to learn from our mistakes. Man is a problem-solver.

I felt joy while sleeping in the street and having no money in my pocket. You'll stay human even in difficult time, no matter how hard it is to correlate your representations with reality. Accepting truth can be depressing, but you will grow from it, even if people surrounding you might think otherwise.

Can I get your alls feedback since I've been most definitely detaching lately? Like I just don't care about these stupid social norms preventing me from trying to get real about this stuff. I don't even know what I'm trying to do anymore, I'm just kinda ... Processing and emoting. But it seems to be in the vein of "waking people up" or "holding their awareness" or "creating a dialogue" or something. Either way I really don't care ... Like it's just some fleeting post. But I'm curious.

. So anyways, I'm all like ...

"It's actually crazy how some of y'all don't see how out of control we are. That's my take on the lack of responses I get. Like really you don't have anything to say about all this? I mean wars and climate change (I ... I ... Like please stop. It's totally us and it's totally real ... Please don't tell me you think our impact on the environment is negligible) and resource depletion and all these other threat multipliers kinda put a damper on whatever your goals are. And eventually all the distractions in the world aren't gonna be able to take you out of your head knowing you're a part of a society gone mad, because it didn't wanna ... strive for world peace? Or just improvements? You know, things that improve things, on the whole? Lmao what the hell. I can be honest because I don't care what my friends and family and anybody else think about me trying to ... reason with you. I'm ... gonna keep trying to reason with everyone lol and hopefully in turn you reason with yourselves in understanding this as a pursuit that is in our best interests. Remember ... Eeeeeeverything around you came to be because of what the people of the past did (thanks, mostly! 😅) and WE could have been the ones (even less?) less fortunate. Given the fact that, like, we all obviously appreciate, ya know, stability ... it's just, like, obviously relevant (the most relevant thing actually) to try and, ya know, maintain stability, as a global society ... A society that's instead ... obviously doing too much. I mean ... I just don't understand how that takes a backseat in so many people's minds, that, literally, THE most relevant things to our lives, regarding our futures and safety and happiness, isn't even being remarked upon, or talked about, even when you're given a space to talk about it. Like if you're alive! Cause like y'all don't even respond? Hello, people I know, ya ok? What am I missing here. Because surely it doesn't have anything to do with some silly ass notion that I'm like, unstable and don't know what I'm talking about? The fact that I be posting all up in my Facebook, which is most definitely just a social networking site that isn't supposed to be for any specific types of topics ... The social networking site that exists in the world, like ... Is a part of real life being browsed by real people, that are a part of the same reality I'm in (the one where things are kinda ... iffy). Are you just along for the ride or? Like you understand we need a healthy functioning society, which we aren't, and how that's possible because of all of our potential, and so I just feel like talking about how we aren't operating with our best interests in mind? I'm talking to a wall again aren't I. I'm just talking to my Facebook wall. Jesus.

Speaking of Jesus, a lot of y'all seem to be cool with him. Perhaps you can understand how maaaaybe this is a sign? Ya know, regarding attempting all of those awesome things we might do, being all of those awesome people we could be, instead of life just being this mess of maaaaybe not the most mindful people, supporting an ~~~unsustainable~~~ system that actually, literally, most definitely trashes the place and makes a joke out of existing? Because it's a joke that we're just going to work, living our lives in our own little bubbles, trying to be happy, maybe getting by without too much damage and anguish from being alive, while things are so out of whack. Because this isn't about how I'm personally feeling either (like, I'm actually one happy mofo and live well, considering). This is about US, as in the people that are in this together, no matter what, whether we like it or not. And it's about how we affect one another. That's just cause and effect. It's so basic. I mean ... I just don't get what my Facebook friends and family aren't getting here. Is it the way I talk? I know, "it's a bit much", like, suuure, whatever ... I'm trying to level with you about it. And I do mean you ... The person reading this right now ... I'm talking to YOU, fellow experiencer and observer of the universe. I don't care how damn awkward this is. I'm trying to get at YOU, because you need to know that this ... All this ... The text you're reading, the mind you have, the body you're stuck in, on planet Earth ... It's something of consequence. You're in it until its lights out, and that means experiencing your environment. Thing is I would love to just zone out and do me. But, how long will I be able to, and to what extent, before outside forces affect my life? Right??? You. Too.

I just want what's best for us. Don't you? So that eventually means ...getting real alongside reality, and talking about things even if it's awkward. Because that's what we're gonna need to do to help each other through. Because the people in power aren't doing a very good job of managing things. That's where we come in. But we have to be present, and have it in mind, that eventually ... We need to actually talk about it. So since so many won't for whatever (honestly silly) reason I will. It's all a lot bigger and more important that people's petty judgements, ya know. It's ok to get real, when you make it ok, even on Facebook where everybody can see and judge. Ooo judgements so spooky, better not talk about impending doom! Lmao right. I didn't ask to be a part of a world struggling to get it together, amongst a lot of people that are misguided in thinking it's ok to ceaselessly return to our day to day, until one day these long running issues make their way into our day ... Or our children's days ...

Like I guess I'm just trying to, bare minimum, help people keep these things in mind."

And that's all he wrote. Tonight anyway. 😅

What if we formed a consumer union and started massive boycotts? It’s at least something we can do to be sand in the gears of the big consumption machine.

I always feel awkward in my approach speaking frankly on the issue of collapse, in spaces where people aren't inclined to appreciate things on the level we do, so as to see the trouble we're in and respond appropriately. I couldn't feel more ill equipped as an introvert that suffers from social anxiety as well as addiction. I mean I'm kind of a mess for real. But I'm trying to do the best I can to make the most of our opportunities to help bring awareness to people about our many predicaments, so that we might take action. It's just a lot and it's hard to talk about. But anytime I need reassurance I process my ranting and rambling through chatgpt, and not only do so get a better sense of what it is I'm trying to get at ... It just gets at it for me in those clear and concise ways. It makes me just wanna post what chatgpt said. Anyways, I thought I'd share since it encompasses everything I'm trying to get across to, well, the world. I just know we can actually, really challenge ourselves and each other to turn things around.

Here's the summary:

This reflection emphasizes the importance of addressing the challenges we face as individuals and as a collective society. It acknowledges the complexity of modern life and the overwhelming pace of human activity, urging a reevaluation of our actions, priorities, and impact on the world. Here are the key takeaways:

1. Acknowledgment of Issues and Responsibility

Recognizes the chaos and excess in modern living, from consumption to development, and the toll it takes on individuals, society, and the environment. Stresses the need to confront negligent behaviors and excessive lifestyles with honest introspection. 2. The Need for Collaboration Advocates for a social contract based on mutual understanding, respect, and trust. Encourages open dialogue, even when it’s uncomfortable, to bridge differences and foster progress. 3. Thoughtful Consideration for Progress Highlights the importance of intentional actions, informed by knowledge and wisdom, to create meaningful and sustainable change. Questions the long-term benefits of current choices and the impact on nature and society. 4. Valuing Humanity and Connection Suggests that being vulnerable and expressive can inspire others to engage authentically. Emphasizes trust and collaboration as tools for collective healing and growth. 5. Call for Reflection and Change Urges people to stop ignoring hard truths and to use knowledge for balanced decision-making. Advocates resolving fundamental issues that hinder humanity's progress, rather than being mired in self-limiting behaviors. 6. Cultivating Awareness and Presence Encourages self-awareness and honest communication to improve individual and collective well-being. Asserts that humanity’s progress depends on a deliberate effort to recalibrate behaviors that harm society and the planet. Ultimately, the piece calls for a shift in mindset and action, rooted in understanding, responsibility, and a shared commitment to a better future.

I'm 21 and living in Southeast Asia. Since I saw a climate collapse post on X in October, I've been incredibly depressed. I no longer feel genuine joy, enjoyment, or accomplishment. I constantly look at the world around me and am filled by this overwhelming grief and dread caused by the knowledge that I will see environmental collapse in I and my siblings (23 and 20) lifetimes. My parents are 54 and I can only pray to whatever God is out there that they don't live to see the worst of it. A mercy would be if something wiped out my whole family in some painless way. Is there really no hope? Nothing that's being done? Nothing that will make me feel less like this?

I don't know if it's a defense mechanism or something, but after I became collapse-aware I just can't bring myself to give a shit about other people anymore. Everyone -me included- is just a walking corpse at this point. I see children around and they just look like little (annoying) corpses just flailing around.

Most collapseniks tout building a strong community as essential in going through collapse but I don't really want to go through collapse anyway. Life is barely tolerable now, even with all the comforts I have (not rich but even just a roof over my head and hygiene and food is so much more than what many have). Why would I want to grind through losing them all? I don't want the survivalist life or have to eat fucking opossums or whatever. I don't want to have to rely on people to survive. I want it to enjoy my comforts as long as they exist and then I want it to be over, and I want people to leave me the fuck alone.

The weird thing is that ever since my collapse awakening, my social anxiety has completely disappeared, I just don't give a fuck anymore to the point it felt basically gone overnight- and people seem to like me more now. They see me not giving a shit and saying what I want to say and doing what I want to do and they think it's confidence- but it's not, it's just awareness of the end being close and the fact everyone just looks like a creepy zombie to me now, so no desire to impress anyone anymore.

I was continuously finding it strange how everywhere I looked, deeply enough, you’d find an apocalypse looming in our future. Financial System, Artificial Intelligence Over-dependence, Geopolitical Breakdown, population control and reduction, Political Upheaval, Covert government actions, the “seeming” push towards a totalitarian surveillance state, etc etc. It seemed as though all of these systems are not only breaking down but also tightening their grip on people like an effort to make a totalitarian state.

But now I get it. There’s this book called “The God Particle” where there was an analogy. Aliens who can’t see strong binary colored objects watch a soccer game. The ball, being black and white is the only thing they can’t see. They try to make sense of the game & its rules and do a great job describing all the different patterns of behavior. However, they don’t quite get what is happening because all their models are separate. But then a young alien sees the net move slightly and suggest an “invisible ball”. And all their separate models all came together in a whole new coherent way.

the Climate & Ecological issue is the ball, for me. I knew about it the entire time, and I knew it was obviously the biggest issue. But I figured, the other issues would have to be resolved before anyone would give a damn about the climate.

But the elite do see it and care about it already. Shockingly. It’s just they are investing entirely in surveillance systems, info control tools, AI processes to keep everyone locked in, and financial devices & strategies to harvest what everyone has.

And that’s what it is… harvest.

It is unsurprising that we are, too, farm animals to these people. That seems to be all humans ever want to produce. Slaves. Batteries really. So we can gaze elsewhere, to other problems or to distract ourselves from them.

I accepted that this was happening long before it made sense, even though I can’t accept being able to do nothing about it without self deletion. I see that our dependence to our machine is also exactly why we continuously peddle for it. I see that we don’t have the education to build our own “units” of habitation from the ground up, nor the knowledge to do so in a perfect 1:1 ratio of input output, nor the perception & surveillance required to ensure our ratio is conducive to sustaining our environment.

But more deeply than all of that, I see that we could never even have hoped to do any of these things because we have and always will be a divided house. Always a creature which produces things that fights against itself.

So instead of trying to prevent the collapse or even the slave system, all I want to learn and understand now is what was the right way? What on a genuine, practical, and philosophical level were humans supposed to do for this result to not be inevitable? Or was it always destined to go down like this?

Edit: clarification in the comments

I am resigned to a VERY rough 4-6 years at the minimum, but I am trying to figure out how to see my family. They ALL voted Trump, so I am angry at them. However, I also know they are also koolaid drinkers and kind of dumb. My dad, when Trump was in office, thought all of the awful things that Trump and the Republicans were saying they would do was them playing 4-D chess against the Democrats for the good of the country. He is probably the smartest of the lot. So, how am I supposed to respond to people who are probably more crazy than evil?

Hello again friends,

I recently took a giant leap and actually uninstalled Reddit! It's doing wonders for my mental health! I'm on my browser because I needed to share some of the highlights of a brief conversation I had with my stepdad earlier, his denial kind of feels dystopian.

• Putin does not want a war with the West
• Sweden is only distributing war pamphlets because they're on the border
• The US has been protecting Taiwan since the 60's
• China would not want a war with the US since we line their pockets
• America is the greatest country on Earth, so I should never move (Not planning to, but a weird thing to say)
• Climate change is not bad because CO2 levels are going to be higher, thus better for plants(?)
• Climate change is also not bad because we've been through climate changes before (mentioned the Ice Age)
• There are always going to be floods, droughts and wildfires
• There's always been a severe lack of checks and balances in the White House
• Ultimately who the president is shouldn't matter, we just have to live with him for 4 years
• They are only going to start with deporting actual Mexican criminals
• Things were much worse in the past (Medieval times mentioned)
• The world is going to be the same in 25 years
• Don't live in fear of the future

The last point I wholeheartedly agree with and do not do anymore. I've been taking up new, practical skills, such as firemaking, woodworking, gardening and creating earthenware; it's reinvigorated my love of life. I do not fear what I know is coming, I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I also do not make excuses for the evidence I see around me, I consider myself a realist, not an optimist nor a complete doomer.

Just needed to get that out to those who understand, not those who try and deny the abysmal state of the world. (I didn't even mention the sixth mass extinction, insect apocolypse or the rapidly warming oceans! It is also 65° on November 25th, so my point stands.) I appreciate this community a ton, thank you so much for seeing the same writing on the wall as I do.

I don't care what you do so long as it's peaceful and you don't get caught. There's six million ways to die in America and they're just begging you to choose one. I tried to fight back and speak truth to power when Trump was last president and do journalism on rx speed then ease the crash with several downers. Being thrown out of two jobs I liked for that lockdown gave me some perspective. The anti-lockdown advocates weren't far right insane people even if they believed odd stuff about the vaccine. "The cure can't be worse than the disease" was their mantra. Covid 19 cases US, 111mil, deaths 1.2mil. Percentage chance of death slightly more than 1%. Fuck the 1%. I thought Gen Z hated boomers. Why weren't you coughing on them? I'm just kidding. I love Gen Z and I love boomers. Both are very serious about what they believe. Millenials were the sellout generation. I digress. Point was supposed to be that 1% mortality does not justify suspending the first amendment for 6% of the population with severe mental illness or 10% of the population with addiction. I had both and I got fucked. I switched jobs five times since the pandemic until I just stopped caring and starting flipping stuff. I had two sweet hybrid and/or remote gigs prepandemic and I fucked em away.

Drugs are a very simple and easy example of a cause of death but atomization and political division will kill you just as fast. There were right-wingers out protesting the cops. My last girlfriend was conservative so we didn't talk politics much but the other two girlfriends previous were anarchists so I get that it's fun to be around like minded people. Sometimes. Sometimes you've gotta peep out the silos to see people as humans. The worst case of this was I'd convinced myself I had only two real friends. A guy in LA and a girl in Asheville NC. I'm in neither of those places. I'm also not in rural PA, where my "on the bubble" friend lives. On the bubble refers to whether he's a true friend or just a casual friend along with dozens of others. No. Just because he voted for Trump doesn't make him any worse than anyone else who decided to roll the dice and got snake eyes. After my last very similar to crack binge. I won't name the chems because they're still legal because our govt sucks with half assed prohibition. If you wanna play Russian Roulette with sanity check post history. So yeah I remembered me and this dude in PA trying to save our mutual friends life back in 2019. It didn't work. We didn't fail. You just can't save people. It brought us closer because neither of us got any funeral invitations and I doubt anyone of his friends did. His family was ashamed of him so he worked extra hard for a PHD that killed him. That's life. So don't cut off your Trump associated friends. Both of the other two friends are amorphously libleft but neither are very political and don't vote and black people are often more socially conservative as are veterans so the dude in LA might be less lefty than I said earlier. He was most recently criticizing how idiots listen to Joe Rogan so I threw him in the basket of non deplorables with the rest of the left.

My rural PA friend had no understanding ot addiction nor was he anti cop or more pro black than the average white guy. We talked on the phone before I went out protesting for Floyd because it was dangerous and because we care about each other

Point being. I haven't met a person I haven't learned from. I've met great and terrible people. The great outweigh the terrible by a huge margin. I learned from the terrible people so I could set boundaries. Your enemy isn't your neighbor who voted the other way. Even if he is anti abortion he has no real power. Your enemy isn't on the other side of the police line holding a riot shield. Your enemy is the current occupant of the white house and most definitely is the future occupant of the white house. MAGA mask off moment made me rip the bandaid off and finally get my ass to rehab. I'm more or less 7yrs sober on alcohol but will piss dirty for just about anything else. Except the stuff they can't test for. We'll see. Good luck to all. All religions have the same basic morality but the institutions fucked it up. People are overall just, moral and good. I never did nothing that will ache my soul for drugs and I hope I never do.

Edit: rehab is outpatient. One side of my brain thinks I just can't surrender fully to programs and the other side of my brain believes this will be a head start on self accountability.

Edit: Welp. I was 100% clear about no inpatient which probably properly sent the message to them but their assessment came back with a recommendation for a detox facility in part because of the week it is. They referred to it as part of their family. No they're part of a conglomerate. She thanked me for correcting her as she was searching for the word. We're the only developed country with for profit Healthcare and America's outlaw mentality plays well because it also leads the developed world in the ability to be a career criminal and leads the developed world in prison rape. Well again it seems my best friend was right. If you wanna do things right you gotta do it yourself. I messaged the head of the program so here's hoping for next week.

EDIT: Interesting that people seem to think the answer/issue is my own mortality. Quite the opposite. I don’t fear my own death.

I am spiraling right now and want someone to give me some reassurance about the future of the world.

We thought we'd try out a post like this where people can check-in and support eachother. Sometimes the idea of creating a post can be a barrier to contributing, and hopefully commenting on a post like this gives people more opportunities to discuss, unload, and support eachother

You're always welcome to make a post, comment in our discord, or join our weekly discord-based calls - this is just an option for anyone who'd prefer it

Planet Titanic Human Extinction Café is for people who want to talk about societal collapse and human extinction in our lifetimes due to climate change.

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Planet Titanic Human Extinction Café is for people who want to talk about societal collapse and human extinction in our lifetimes due to climate change.

Sunday Dec 1st 1PM-2PM EST

Direct link https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89164935831

meeting ID 891 6493 5831

no password

https://www.facebook.com/events/431726842918533/431726856251865

I genuinely just want to give up. I want to just rot in my bed like when I did when covid first started. Ever since covid started it’s like my mind completely changed. It was like a punch to the face. When I thought everything was fine and it basically destroyed the false sense of safety I had. I just now feel vulnerable and very depressed and at the same time angry. Just how careless most people were with covid. But I know I’m not better I tried to hold out and I stopped masking. Now bird flu has been evolving at an alarming rate. It’s just like when I followed the news about covid but it’s so much worse. I can’t stop thinking that this is it that it will be the next pandemic soon and it will make covid look like nothing. I’m just absolutely scared. It’s like I’m waiting holding my breath just waiting for everything to fall apart. I’m just so tired like why am I still going to work? Why am I doing anything? Even when I started to mask again I want to give up so bad because we are screwed. The way covid was handled especially it the US was so bad that it feels like it will be over if or when the next pandemic comes. I know the main topic is usually climate change in these posts. Which I also feel the same over the state of the environment. I just feel so scared and hopeless. I just wanted more time to feel normal to have a chance.

To be clear: this video does not advocate or condone violence, property destruction, terrorism etc. It is a video essay about a movie based on a book. That's it.

The main sub removed it and I am not surprised, so I'll post here and hope at least a couple people offer a glance.

The speaker is incredibly compelling. In the first half of the video he manages to stuff 100 climate TED talks into a couple of minutes.

When the YouTube algorithm pointed me to this video I figured I would watch a bit and get bored and move onto something more interesting. Nope - I watched the whole damn thing.

If you read the comments, a lot of people are surprised that YouTube hasn't taken the video down yet. I suspect they will eventually, so get it while it's hot!