What can I eat that will be safe? I am guessing this is a REALLY good time to go vegan, but what else? Will even vegetables be safe, or will they be grown with human feces? Can I drink soy and almond milk? What can I eat that will balance out a meatless diet?

Edit: My father insists that Trump is going to put RFK in charge and he is actually going to improve the FDA and bring a lot more regulation to it and get rid of chemicals that are harmful to us. What can I say to counter that? Can I have some sources? I want to make a bet with my dad that ends up with my family going vegan.

I'll start

Everybody Knows - Leonard Cohen

Wise Up - Aimee Mann

Bizarre Love Triangle - New Order, but I like Frente's cover

We have about an acre of land, nearly all of it damp and shaded. Trump is getting rid of the FDA so any store purchased food is going to become horribly unsafe to eat. I've already stopped taking medication. I live in Michigan so can't really grow anything in the winter. How do I prepare? What can I do? Raising animals isn't an option, we live just within village limits so not allowed to have farm animals.

I'm an environmental science student who volunteers with local restoration efforts, and I see first-hand how hopeless it is. It gets worse every single year. The point of no return was in 2017. This ridiculous foreign election and the complete rollback of any climate protection policies were the final nails in the coffin for me.

I had dreams and a drive to somehow navigate this rat race, buy a house and start a family. This will never happen. It's too late. I feel cheated of happiness, knowing that I will probably die in the next 5-10 years. If I don't die, I'll live in a world so ruined that it would be immoral to bring a child into it.

I have thoughts of suicide every day. I struggle with the motivation to brush my teeth, shower or exercise. I either forget to eat or I overeat to feel something other than despair. I no longer play video games or do community theatre - these used to be my favourite hobbies. I can't connect with friends and I avoid them. When I'm not working, I watch TV or stare into space. I cry almost every day.

I cannot afford a therapist. Life is too expensive. I'm so tired. There is nothing a therapist can say to me that will remove the reality anyway. What has killed me is beyond everyone's control.

Every time I drink water, I wonder when the time will come when no water comes out of the tap. When I walk down the street, I wonder when temperatures will become too hot to set foot outside. I feel myself shutting off emotionally from people I care about in preparation for their deaths from untreated sickness, dehydration, heat stroke, hunger, extreme weather events, etc.

I look around at all the things I used to love, and everything that is familiar to me. This is all going to disappear. Nothing means anything, there's no hope.

I'm a wreck and every day is pure darkness. I don't know how to cope. I've got an active plan of suicide, I just haven't decided when it will be done.

Considering sterilization after seeing the results of this election

I’m a young adult man who’s been browsing the collapse sub since 2020, and I’ve been on the fence about the possibility of having kids for a few years now. I’ve always maintained some degree of hope that things might be good enough for long enough that I could have kids without regret. Seeing the republican sweep we just had and knowing the consequences it’ll have in the coming decades, I can’t confidently say we have much chance of a stable society lasting long enough for my potential children to enjoy it. Throw in my preexisting mental health issues and I don’t know that I’d ever even have the bandwidth for raising kids anyways. Given this, is it not better to just get a vasectomy and not have to worry about the risk of pregnancy? My partner still wants to keep the option available (although she’ll support me either way), and I’m just not sure. I feel the risk of accidentally bringing a kid into a world where abortion may soon be outlawed outweighs the potential harm of getting sterilized.

Just like so many of us I am scared. And I hope this doesn't sound stupid but one of my biggest fears? Loosing myself. Loosing who I am as a person, I don't want everything to break me and I hope that it won't do that to you either. I hope you are able to hang onto who you are as a person, I think that is so so important. But I'm also quite lost, I feel out of breathe before I've even started running. And I feel overwhelmed with what to do? Where to start? I hope there can still be moments of joy despite it all. I hope that we can still find ways to push forward. I'm sending you all lots of love, you've all helped me so much and for that I am grateful. I hope that no matter what you all stay as safe as you can, take care of yourself and those you love as best you can and keep going.

I live in America, and we're a fascist nation now. Arguably have been for a good while, but it's gonna get so much worse. I'm fucking terrified. I'm terrified for my openly trans brother's safety. I'm terrified for the safety of countless other vulnerable people. I'm terrified about the climate. I'm terrified that we're at a point as a society where this can happen. And to be selfish for a minute, I feel like my future has been stolen. I'm a senior in high school. I'm supposed to have my whole life ahead of me, but my nation is fascist, my planet is dying, and I am fucking terrified.

Recent statements from California’s Governor Newsom and the general political trajectory of Washington State are the only things that have even remotely instilled any hope for the future in me, and now I am seriously considering making a plan to get to Cali or the PNW, as I see them as viable in scenarios ranging from basic political resistance to the complete collapse of the US. I am already aware of the economic concerns in those states, it is the climate prospects I am looking for some realistic advice on. I know that the Great Lakes region is generally touted as the most viable region for water access and climatic stability, but as of right now that’s absolutely out of the question. Setting aside the election results in those states, they are open land, prime territory for government crackdown. The west coast seems more secure to me.

I have frankly never seen conclusions on how survivable the west coast will be in the coming years. I know California has wildfires and water problems that will likely worsen, but in terms of livability I’ve seem much more reporting about AZ and other inland parts. Its the PNW that I’m more certain about, as I’ve always understood the coasts to be traditionally very wet, which I would imagine would be a boon for climate survivability.

If my conceptions are generally foolish feel free to destroy my self-esteem, but if this is a legitimate question I would really appreciate some realistic information on this regard. I’m not looking perfection, just a sliver of hope.

I've noticed the last couple days several threads on the front page full of comments about how young men are demonised by 'the left' so its no surprise they voted for Trump. Is this narrative now entering mainstream "common sense" opinion?

I guess I never realized just how successfully young guys have been propangandised to by right wing media forces into assuming a victim status. The absolute loudest voices right now in identity politics are clearly on the right. These kids are being taught that everybody hates men, wants them to die, thinks they are evil, etc etc.

It's such a recipe for disaster, particularly that none of these kids are likely to EVER engage with the principles of feminism and will maintain the toxic aspects of masculinity potentially their whole lives. Makes me sad, and worried about how it'll be weaponised.

Keen to hear others' thoughts on this.

I know a lot of us already do things like this, but many of us are new to this group and prepping. I wanted to create a simple list for those feeling like they need to prepare for this new administration, but don't know where to start.

My advice to those who have actually read Trump's planned policies, understand fascist history and rhetoric, and are afraid of where things are heading is to start preparing now. You realistically have two months before some of these changes will begin being implemented. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership...

1. Download all media and articles that are relevant to your life or you view as crucial to knowing. This is also something that is especially crucial with AI making the web basically unusable, too. Project 2025 is planning on gutting internet archives and libraries. Banned books and acceptable school materials will be outlawed and criminalized. Fun fact: Downloading all of Wiki is actually not hard, and without media can fit on an external hard drive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
2. Buy all the books, banned, reference, and medical you can find. Get social and minority history books. Slave history. Native history. The like. These will go away if Project 2025 is implemented in full. I love Thriftbooks for this, and unfortunately, Amazon has an enormous used books offering. https://www.thriftbooks.com/
3. Start buying DVDs with a DVD player. Digital media is already very vulnerable, so the time is now to get DVDs and players for media that you love and need. Thriftbooks and Ebay are great places to get these cheaply.
4. Start doing disaster preparedness. Make a "bug out" bag, and rotate it accordingly. Have a plan to go somewhere else in case you need to leave your home quickly. Form a preparedness group with your closest neighbors. https://bugoutbagacademy.com/free-bug-out-bag-list/
5. Have at least 2 weeks of food and water for everyone in your family (including pets). Look into how to properly store these items. Figure out a way to get longterm medicines. (Jasecase is expensive, but great for medical storage needs.)
6. If you are a woman, stock up on contraceptives, Plan B, or get an IUD now. Schedule that sterilization consultation. The longer acting the better. You can get the abort** pill online and shipped to your door. Justthepill.com is a great resource for that. DELETE your period tracking apps, use a paper calendar instead.
7. Get armed and trained, look into your state's regulations and processes for doing so. Women, you should definitely consider doing this. It is the ultimate equalizer. If you're squeamish about guns, get over it. Seriously. https://www.reddit.com/.../got_my_first_gun_any_advice.../
8. Understand your energy needs. Do you need a generator? What kind? How will you store and manage gas? How will you charge your phone on the run? Trump's has plans to withhold federal fundings to states that do not agree with him, this will impact infrastructure. The energy sector might be greatly compromised.
9. Join a local mutual aid group with the same philosophies as you. Ask what you can do to help, and ask how they plan to deal with things like political and police violence.
10. Consider deleting social media posts and accounts that can get you hurt or accused of something. There will still be a digital footprint, but it will be harder to find.
11. If you have children, read about what a removal of the Dept. of Education will look like for you and your child. FASFA will be gone and sold to private holders. IEPs and 504s will not longer exist or be implemented. Positions like paraprofessionals, reading specialists, and the like might be first on the chopping block because there will be no need for support positions. If your child has many needs, how will you counteract these changes?
12. Lastly, read Project 2025. You cannot fight against something you refuse to know or understand.
13. Acknowledge that things are about to get very dark for most people. Do not let this make you check out. Be a source of radical love to all who need it.

It's insane how effective disinformation is. It's pretty clear that the AMOC is collapsing right now, yet certain news outlets are acting as if we have decades before it's a problem. Same thing goes with other climate change related events, multiple natural disasters going on in the world yet climate change is frequently framed as a problem for the future. Billionaires sell bullshit future tech and eventhough engineers and scientists are constantly pointing out the bullshit people still throw their money away. The meeting of world leaders (COP) to address climate change is supposed to be where we try to solve the problem, instead it's been coopted by oil billionaires to spread disinformation and strategize.

Lastly the US elections, I feel sorry for the people who put so much faith in them, who dumped so much energy into them. It's clear to those who see past the BS that the election wouldn't solve anything that both sides are bought and paid for. Imagine if we put that much human emotion and energy towards real action, but isn't that the purpose? To channel revolutionary action away from the ruling class towards infighting and disharmony? I've been saying this for over a decade now yet here we are still playing pretend, still engaging with the system that oppresses us, like this time it'll be different. We're still yelling at our neighbors, coworkers, and family members as if they're the ones who are consuming the world for profit.

Can you really be mad at people for not knowing the truth when there's a billion dollar propaganda machine, with decades of information on each one of us, with think tanks, celebrities, and influencers bombarding us constantly, that actively censors the truth and replaces it with lies? Ask yourself are you an acception, do you really think you're immune to this highly sophisticated propaganda machine? If you put that much energy into the presidential election you need to do some self reflection.

We need a genuine revolution, the fear of death and consequences needs to be beaten into the ruling class. As long as they feel untouchable things will continue to get worse. As long as we keep buying their bullshit they'll keep destroying the world. "It ain't over till the fat lady sings" keep fighting, keep pushing forward, sometimes our backs need to be against the wall for us to be motivated enough to fight our way out.

"What is it like to be so uncaring? I wish I could spend a day being as unempathetic as them." (Unspoken: "What's the point of having empathy anymore?")

This is a sentiment that I've seen so many others express, and myself have kinda had to work through too, in the past 24 hours. And it's a damn good question, isn't it? The people who care for no one but themselves- and worse, who actively want to hurt others not like them- won. They got everything they wanted. Meanwhile, good, kind people lost, and are now being mocked. "Triggered, liberals?"

So what's the point, then? Why should we care anymore?

It's one of those questions where you really have to be your own guide with that. We live in a world that punishes kindness and tries its best to beat it out of people, and sometimes it's tiring to do so. But I answered that question myself and maybe my answer will help some of you.

1. In a world like ours, kindness is an act of defiance. Becoming cruel/callous/selfish feeds in to the reality they peddled to steal American democracy for good. By being kind, you remind them that not everyone is like them. And believe me, under their taunting, under their cries of "own the libs", this unsettles them. Kindness is an act of resistance. Love is an act of resistance. You are telling them that they will never change who you fundamentally are, they won't take away the things that make you better than them. And there is nothing evil people hate more than reminders that not everyone is evil!!! Do you remember that scene from The Dark Knight where the Joker had a group of prisoners and ordinary citizens on two ferries with bombs to blow up the other's ship, expecting them to hit the button- but no one did, because they wouldn't take the others' lives? And how utterly baffled he was? Your continued compassion enrages fascists.

2. You are gaining so much more from remaining kind and empathetic than you can understand. Yes, the ones who lack it won and will get to abuse people, but they lack human connection, and most of theirs are shallow. Alpha male types don't enjoy close friendships; Matt Walsh himself said he never had a friend say he loved him, Tucker Carlson's mom hated him so much that she left him $1 in her will, and Donald Trump's wives only ever married him for his power and status. The few connections they have lack depth and care and genuineness. Sure, they have families, sometimes, who love/care for them. But it is a very different kind of love because it is conditional. That's the only kind of love they know. "Be like me, espouse my values, and then I will love you." They disown their queer children, they fear their wives being independent or their husbands being 'soft.' The instant they become "wrong" in some way, they'll be discarded. You, in seeking relationships with people who genuinely love you for you- and offering that in turn- are never going to know that terror.

3. You deserve to be loved. You deserve to get to continue to feel the full range of human emotion, which does and should include compassion and empathy and love. You don't deserve to have to give that up just to survive this dystopian hellscape. You deserve better and if this country has failed too much to give you better, you should still at least hold on to what scraps of better you can find.

4. Things are about to get worse in nearly every aspect; financially, socially, geopolitically, I could go on. Staying your authentic self- loving and compassionate- is one of the only ways you are going to be able to survive what's coming, because you'll need support, and so will those around you.

5. Not going to numb to what's happening is the literal only way we can fix this. And I'm going to be blunt here, no fix is coming in our lifetimes. We're going to try and salvage something in the future we aren't ever going to see here. But that makes retaining your fundamental kindness even more important, because when there's nothing in it for you, the only way to keep going is to retain a love of humanity, no matter what flaws it has, because otherwise you'll get discouraged and give up. We won't get out of this, even in a few generations, without radical acts of altruism for people who are going to live here after us. They deserve your help even if they're not here yet. They NEED you.

Don't let this change who you are. Who you are is good. Who you are is perfect. You're a normal person in an utterly insane world, and this insane world won't become sane again without people like you.

No need for hopium or forced optimism here. Bring all your feelings to our zoom events. Tune into your self. Witness what's true for others. All of you is welcome here.

https://www.deepadaptation.info/index.php?page=acymailing_front&ctrl=archive&task=view&id=344&userid=2756-tH3d5dOwybB620&noheader=1&noheader=1

Once again, the American people have proved that we can’t listen to reason, we can’t accept equality, we can’t make progress. To those of us who have not been blinded by hatred and greed and shortsightedness, it seems incomprehensible. How have the majority of people in one of the largest, most developed, and most powerful nations on Earth been so easily brainwashed by a felonious, lying, racist, rapist of a dictator? How can states that were just ravaged by climate change-fueled storms vote for a candidate who has dismissed it as a hoax? How can people who preach “love thy neighbor” on Sundays show such hatred for different cultures and identities? How can we still be treating women as inferior and controlling their bodies? How can we, a society of supposedly the most intelligent beings on the planet, fall, willingly, backward? The answer to all of these questions lies in a disturbing reality that neither party has recognized. That we are, all of us, caught now in an inescapable whirlpool of collapse. Whether they publicly state it, or even if they explicitly recognize it in themselves or not, the ecologist and conservation scientists know it. The climate scientists know it. Anyone who cares to look at the actual data and facts knows it. We are absolutely fucked. We have irreversibly damaged the planet, our own life support system. And nothing that Kamala or Bernie Sanders or Al Gore could have done would have stopped it anyway. Even if all human activity, all emissions stopped today, the consequences of the past 200 years of reckless fossil fuel use will inevitably be borne out in the form of catastrophic heating and climate disruption, and an associated loss of biodiversity that will render the planet, if not uninhabitable to human life at all, at least unable to support any semblance of our current civilization. The reality lies in the data, and it paints a pretty clear picture. It won’t be immediate, but we are already beginning to witness the unrelenting onslaught of climate change and biodiversity loss. And as ecosystems and climate systems destabilize, so too do the societies that are tied to them. The world is increasingly being battered by the consequences—pandemics, fires, storms, heatwaves, food shortages—and the global populace is feeling more and more uneasy. People can sense the impending catastrophe. Unrest leads to extremism, and opens up opportunities for fascist dictators to take control. This election is just another symptom of that pervasive, relentless, inevitable collapse. And it’s another nail in the coffin, proving that we won’t actually do anything to stop it. Even if we had one at all, we’ve lost our last chance now anyways

I just feel as though wishing pain death & suffering upon us is not good, at all.

Because if we do that, we aren’t that different from the MAGA people who wish for pain death & suffering upon those that are different from them.

I just hate the idea of losing a loved one to a pandemic, much less multiple. I hate this in general.

I just wish that this wasn’t a thing.

From YouTube to social media, I am scrolling past thousands of comments expressing genuine shock about Trump winning. If you are one of the few people who woke up today and weren't surprised in the slightest, just know you are not alone either.

I was a truck driver during the pandemic. I spoke to people all across the country. The last few years I've been an Uber driver and I've spoken to customers from all walks of life, from liberal college students to drunks going to a rodeo. I know what this country is, behind the shallow guise of freedom and equality, there lurks a quiet majority that hate the human race, hate their fellow citizens, and most of all they hate themselves. This decision was a result of a nation of adult children that are constantly rewarded and praised for their viciously cruel and criminally stupid behavior.

Churchill summed it up perfectly - the best argument to be made against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.

I’ve posted here on another account that I deleted to better my mental health, but the election set me back to day 1. I’m terrified and there’s no other words for this. I’ve taken as much advice as possible, but it’s still terrifying. Of course I’m concerned with what’s going to happen politically, but I’m more afraid of climate collapse. It was hot today. It’s November. I don’t have a future. And I’m afraid. I’m only 15, and this is tearing me apart. I know my only option is to just live, be happy as much as I can until the end, but it’s very hard. It comforts me knowing the planet will recover once humans are gone, and death doesn’t scare me. It’s just the pain leading up to it. And even if this planet is done for, the universe is infinite and likely has plenty other planets full of life that are thriving like our planet may be in thousands or hundreds or millions of years. I’m just scared, and I don’t know how to deal with it. I can’t really protest, so that’s not a big option.

I would like to say thank you all for being so supportive in the wake of all of this madness that has happened.

But…even with all the support, I cannot help but feel helpless and hopeless no matter what.

God it sucks. It really really does.

I think I should unplug and tell myself that for the sake of my sanity, that perhaps there is much more good in the world than there is bad, and that maybe we will survive this.

I just wish that this didn’t happen.

It’s just that…everything just seems to be so negative nowadays.

Thank you all, again, for being so supportive of one another.

God help us all.

People look for strongmen to fix the unfixable. Anyone agree.

Farewell to our last era of any climate mitigation. I’m in DC waiting to see Kamala and it’s as balmy as summer. So many reasons to be destroyed today, and the acceleration of climate collapse is impending.

A friend who is not a friend anymore. She posted stories bragging about voting for Trump. I called her out. She poses on social media as a cottage core, medieval, earth loving girl. But now is bragging about voting for the party openly willing to destroy everything for profit.

Her response was "you're always posting your moronic stuff about climate change and being a crybaby about it and I never say anything about it."

Sure, I cry over the climate. It deeply upsets and affects me. But it's her planet too. And she has a 1 year old child. We've even had conversations about mutual feelings regarding it being 80 degrees in autumn. And now I'm a crybaby for constantly posting about climate change? I'm trying to educate and inform people, including her.

She is a 21 year old uneducated housewife. I'm a 25 year old naturopathic medical student. Idk if that sums anything up.

...just know you're not alone. I am absolutely, utterly devastated by the results of the presidential election. I am just blankly going through the motions at work. Later today, I am planning on smoking a huge amount of weed, but that's not gonna help much.

Here's my message to any American who feels the same - take the time to mourn. Feel your grief. But when you're feeling a little better, we HAVE to keep fighting, and the way we do that is by continuing to support the ideals that we believe in - climate action, women's rights, equality for all. Half of this country might be full of of racist pieces of shit, but I'm not going to bow to them or their supreme leader.

A lot of bad things are going to happen in the next four years, and even after that. But I take solace in the solidarity I find with the people who I CHOOSE to surround myself with. There is no room for racism, bigotry, hatred, and division in my house and family, and there never will be.

If you want to chat...I'm here for you. Good luck to us all.

Well, I suppose I'm not really trans. I recently turned eighteen and I was planning on transitioning but I haven't yet. I was even in my way to HRT but that likely isn't happening now.

When I woke up this morning to the news my mother tried to comfort me by saying that no one here is among the targeted demographics. That it likely won't effect our family. I've been out to her for almost two years now, and when I brought up trans people were likely to be persecuted she said that it's a good thing nobody we know is trans.

I wanna fucking flee. I like history and reading about conflicts and shit but I don't wanna be a part of it. I wanted to live a normal fucking life damn it. And yet I can't see any outcome where my life isn't completely uprooted. If I don't transition I actually might fucking go insane but there's no way I'm going to be able to now. Even if Trump acts more moderately and doesn'tdo anything bad himself, Trump is still an enabler. Right-wing groups and hyper-conservative officials will be the ones in power and I dont see any outcome where they don't use that power to harm people like me and my friends. What the fuck do I do?

My last post was deleted and I’m not sure why. I’m coming here for support. It’s like the final dinner in Don’t Look Up where Leo says “we really did have everything didn’t we”. My eyes have been open to collapse for some time but I feel it’s only going to speed up now. I feel totally helpless. How do I protect my children? I wish I didn’t laugh at preppers years ago. I wish I had a homestead and could live off the grid. I don’t know what to do. And it’s not like leaving the country will help, many countries are going far right and if Trump pulls us out of nato, if war rages there will be little protection without America. He’s going to destroy education and public health, the two things we would rely on most as collapse gets closer. I don’t know what I need to hear. I know it’s not going to be ok. And I don’t know how to prepare.

Trump is going to put RFK, who has signaled his interest in banning vaccines, in office.

Once vaccines are banned, in a best case scenario, I will have a choice between being forced to spread propaganda that will kill people- mostly children- or committing career suicide. In a worst case scenario, the same risks jail or worse.

What do I choose, especially if it's the latter? Will it even do anything if I risk jail anyway?

This is worse than I ever thought was possible and that is say an awful lot seeing as I had a panic attack a month ago over possibly losing my right to vote as an AFAB person.

I've known I've been in it for the last 20 years, and I'm sure you've noticed it now too at this point. So just wanted to say welcome to the darkest timeline sadly there is no getting off after this point. So buckle up and "enjoy" the show. Next thing to watch out for is how trump handles bird flu, stay tuned!