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WGTOW is a community of women supporting other women who wish to live independently from men and relationships with them.

Our users may be asexual, aromantic, or just generally happy single women. Please read the rules before you post or comment.

Welcome to WGTOW!

WGTOW is a community of women living independently from men and relationships with them. Please read the FAQ before posting.


Content Guidelines

  • The content you submit doesn't always have to be about going your own way! Here's some ideas:

  • Details about single living, including but not limited to:

  • Tiny houses! Your ideas to build one, other's projects, etc.

  • Experiences/articles living in female only communities

  • Your experiences buying a house alone, living alone, etc.

  • For many, their separatism also encompasses living childfree, which is a great topic:

  • Your experiences as a childfree woman

  • The awesome things you get to do because of your independence

  • Overcoming roadblocks as a childfree woman (finding doctors, birth control, etc.)

  • Anything related to feminism that you find interesting:

  • Current events

  • News articles you find interesting

  • Feminist theory

  • Inspiring women:

  • News articles/videos/anything detailing women doing something remarkable

  • Body positivity:

  • What do you love about your body?

  • Your experiences with fitness and empowerment

  • How you take care of your body, reduce stress, etc.

  • What do you love about being a woman?

Community Rules

  • Rule 1: Community purpose: First and foremost, WGTOW is a feminist, female-centered community. Any comments or posts not conducive to that end will be removed at the discretion of moderators and users may be banned. It is to be encouraged to report rule-breaking posts. You do not need to be a feminist to join, yet it is the expectation that women's rights and support is at the forefront in discussion.

  • Rule 2: Advocating violence: Any post/comment advocating violence against men will be removed. We're all fed up, but encouraging violence will get this community banned.

  • Rule 3: Support women: Women come first in this community. Do not gaslight women, belittle them, or attempt to invalidate their experiences or beliefs.

  • Rule 4: Linking to Other Subreddits & Vote Brigading. When linking to posts in other Reddit communities use a no participation link. Do this by replacing the "www" in the url with "np" so that it reads http://np.reddit.com/. This helps decrease brigading.

  • Rule 5: Don't Come Here to Debate. Productive discussion and healthy disagreement between members of our community is encouraged. However, this is not a place for men to come here and debate whether or not we're misandrists, whether or not WGTOW is a valid philosophy, or proclaim "not all men!".

*Rule 6: Don't Talk About Dating Here. We are not a sub to discuss dating or even rant about dating. You can talk about your personal experiences in relation to other topics, but the focus of this sub should be wgtow.

*Rule 7: No New/Low Karma Accounts. Accounts must be at least 1 day old and have at least 50 karma to post in wgtow.

*Rule 8: No FDS bs Don't post anything related to FDS or try to make this sub into FDS 2.0. Read more

*Rule 9: Don't Bash Men. We are a wgtow sub, so we want to keep content about men to a minimum. Please read the talking about men post for detailed rules. In short: Writing about personal experience and venting about sexism is okay, links to incel sites or sites like r/relationships and posts that would be better suited for r/nametheproblem are not.

*Rule 10: No traumatic content outside of the Trauma Thread. Please post all traumatic content in the Trauma Mega Thread. If you want to talk about trauma in a comment, post it in the Mega Thread instead and link to that comment.

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Wednesday: Project day

Wednesday is Project day!

Do you have any projects you are working on right now? Do you have any ideas or are you looking for inspiration?

Today we want to hear about how your garden is doing - or if you don't have one, your house plants :)

We also want to hear about your art projects! Share them with the community!

Are you doing any crafts? Are you building a new desk? Did you get into knitting? Did you finally spoil yourself and get that 3D printer you always wanted?

Post about it below or share some pictures!

0 Comments
2024/12/04
13:00 UTC

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WGTOW vs 4B

I'm fairly new to both of these things, (not new to being completely fed up with men to the point of incandescent rage at times)

I'd just like to get it straight in my head how the two communities differ. I've read comments from Korean women that they think the Western 4B groups are missing the point of how it all started, and they'd prefer the Western 4B to be given a different name.

Which is why I decided to see if WGTOW exists and to my happiness it does! I kinda feel it might suit my needs a bit better.

To my annoyance I've lived in households with all males ever since I left home. First with my now ex, then with my 3 sons, and now my elderly Dad lives with me. I've felt pretty lonely and unheard most of the past 12 years being a solo Mum, and definitely don't want to bring a male into the mix.

So I just want to get my mojo happening, as my kids are starting to leave, and my Dad has dementia and won't be around too long. I want to build up my confidence and independence and have the de centreimg of men at the forefront of my life. Cultivating the wonderful relationships with women I already have is a big priority to me, as well as meeting other kindred souls.

I'm hoping I'm in the right place here. 🙂

10 Comments
2024/12/03
22:46 UTC

257

Are you friends with men? Yesterday I decided to also get rid of all my male friends

I’m 4B for a while already. Longer than I even knew anything about 4B. Started it almost 5,5 years ago, was going strong more than 4,5 years, then fell into the illusion of meeting a good guy, spoiler: he wasn’t a good guy at all and after being in an emotionally vulnerable place I fell for a guy that didn’t even put an act of being a good guy, but after this ended badly again, I discovered 4B and since I have a whole name and community I’m hopeful that that were the last slips, because when I feel like falling for a guy I can always be backed up by the community here and in other subs.

But the other thing is, I was still friends with men. Some of them were people that I’ve met this year, but most of them are friends I know for a few years or even decades. But yesterday one of the closest friends did me so extremely dirty that I decided to also get rid of all my male friends. I started with deleting contacts that didn’t message me for months, I got rid of the men that I’ve never met in real life and only know online and I’m planning on phasing out the contact to the rest of them. I just can’t take their egoistic, egocentric and completely lacking any empathy bullsh*t anymore. Not even in a platonic way. Sure not everyone of them did something bad to me, but that’s also probably because we just weren’t close enough. But I just can’t trust any man in any relationship anymore. Not even in a romantic one. Recently I started feeling so uncomfortable in their presence, even if it’s a guy friend I know for 10 years. What about you? How are you doing it?

50 Comments
2024/12/03
17:32 UTC

158

Women as pets

Are women seen as human beings-worthy of equal rights to men or are they more like domesticated pets (that you can have sex with)?

Think of how women interact with the world.

Think of how males dominate MOST outside space, capital, land and realty.

Think of how daughters are reared (raised to obey) vs sons (raised to lead).

I know it may be harsh, but ponder the relational comparisons …

28 Comments
2024/12/02
17:18 UTC

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Monthly Goals Megapost

What are your personal goals for this month? Some ideas could be:

- What do you plan to further go your own way this month?

- How do you want to strengthen your bonds with your female friends?

- Fitness/Health goals

- Planned projects

- Self care

- Political activism plans (if you feel confident to share)

- Career relevant goals

- What areas of your life did you improve compared to last month?

3 Comments
2024/12/02
13:00 UTC

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Monthly Suggestion Post

Welcome to the new Monthly Suggestion Post. Here, we collect new ideas to help our sub grow and thrive!

Please post your suggestions below.

0 Comments
2024/12/01
20:00 UTC

87

What is an alternative sub to female separatism ?

I enjoyed this sub for a while and now it is gone. Ii need some place.. ANY place for some kind of female separatism / wgtow content. No offense but this place is dead. Anybody have any ideas ?

27 Comments
2024/11/30
21:44 UTC

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Saturday: Music day

Saturday is for music lovers! Share music of your favourite female artists here.

Have you found a new song this week? Anything you listen to on repeat?

Is there an old song you just love to listen to?

Did you finally find the perfect song with great lyrics that does not talk about dating?

Share them with the community below!

4 Comments
2024/11/30
02:00 UTC

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Wednesday: Project day

Wednesday is Project day!

Do you have any projects you are working on right now? Do you have any ideas or are you looking for inspiration?

Today we want to hear about how your garden is doing - or if you don't have one, your house plants :)

We also want to hear about your art projects! Share them with the community!

Are you doing any crafts? Are you building a new desk? Did you get into knitting? Did you finally spoil yourself and get that 3D printer you always wanted?

Post about it below or share some pictures!

1 Comment
2024/11/27
13:00 UTC

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Saturday: Music day

Saturday is for music lovers! Share music of your favourite female artists here.

Have you found a new song this week? Anything you listen to on repeat?

Is there an old song you just love to listen to?

Did you finally find the perfect song with great lyrics that does not talk about dating?

Share them with the community below!

0 Comments
2024/11/23
02:00 UTC

216

Why do we always have to explain ourselves?

It is so irritating and frustrating how WGTOW, virgin women, celibate women, women who refuse to romantically engage with men always have to explain ourselves. "But you're pretty, why not? That's such a shame!" Um... Why the fuck not?! Because I don't feel like it? It just shows that they really view us as human fleshlights that should be used by men regardless of what we want for ourselves. What they're basically saying is "It's a shame you're not letting me or other people use your body for their sexual gratification".

When a guy says they're not interested in dating, people are like "Oh wow, you're so disciplined and focused on your hobbies and career. Good for you!" but when women say the same all of a sudden we are weird aliens who have issues and have to divulge our entire life stories. As a virgin I've never felt the need to ask non-virgins "Oh wow! How come? Why did you have sex with x amount of people? Like what drove you to do such a thing? That's so interesting and surprising!" but when the shoe is on the other foot I'm suddenly bombarded with stupid questions. "Why are you a virgin?", gee because I can be bozo, why are you NOT a virgin? And it's women too sometimes, the pearl clutching when you say you don't want to date men. Um, the same way you CHOOSE to date, I CHOOSE not to date. What is so difficult to understand? Why do you choose to be a sex-doll house maid for a man-child who will never be able to fulfil your emotional needs?

I will always refuse to introduce something into my life that would simply be a net negative. The pressure to engage with men romantically as a woman is ridiculous and has zero foundation in logic. How other women can turn a blind eye to the way men treat and view us, talk about us online anonymously and then reward them is shocking to me.

How do fellow WGTOW women deal with people trying to get you to divulge your entire life story because you say you don't date? I usually just use the vague response of "I don't feel the need to date and I am a shy person" (deep down I want to use much more strong language lol). But usually people are still very pushy. How do you ladies deal with such inquiries?

42 Comments
2024/11/20
13:42 UTC

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Wednesday: Project day

Wednesday is Project day!

Do you have any projects you are working on right now? Do you have any ideas or are you looking for inspiration?

Today we want to hear about how your garden is doing - or if you don't have one, your house plants :)

We also want to hear about your art projects! Share them with the community!

Are you doing any crafts? Are you building a new desk? Did you get into knitting? Did you finally spoil yourself and get that 3D printer you always wanted?

Post about it below or share some pictures!

0 Comments
2024/11/20
13:00 UTC

366

r/ female separatists just got banned

MAJOR EDIT: I am happy to announce 📣 that r/femaleseparatists is back!!! 🥳 🎉 as of November 26th, 2024😎I saw the subreddit in my feed, so I believe the mods were successful in lifting the ban 😁 I’m feeling happy now😊

Title says it all. It might be that those we refuse to acknowledge spammed it and got it banned? Anybody know the details?

Oof 😓 all the focus on and enthusiasm for 4B seems to have had the effect of putting fire ants down their pants and made them hopping mad.

I had posted a response to a post in that sub asking about women philosophers. Got a message that I had some response but I couldn’t see it because the sub was banned. 😠 I’ve been hearing rumors that certain groups are trying to get the 4b movement subreddit banned too. Sheesh! This freaking sucks!

132 Comments
2024/11/16
07:56 UTC

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Saturday: Music day

Saturday is for music lovers! Share music of your favourite female artists here.

Have you found a new song this week? Anything you listen to on repeat?

Is there an old song you just love to listen to?

Did you finally find the perfect song with great lyrics that does not talk about dating?

Share them with the community below!

0 Comments
2024/11/16
02:00 UTC

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Mid-Month Pet Megapost

It's this time of the month... we post about our pets! Of course, you are always welcome to post them, so don't let this new format stop you from posting about your pets any time of the month.

However, today, we encourage you to absolutely spam the sub with pictures, anecdotes and little tales of your pets. You can either create your own post (don't forget to use the pets flair!) or comment on this post. Please remove any identifying information to protect yourself from getting doxxed.

6 Comments
2024/11/15
13:00 UTC

303

Japans attack on women

So there’s a leader of a Conservative Party (naoki hyakuta) who wanted marriage to become illegal for women over 25, and to sterilize women over 30.

To apparently increase birth rates Which is an entirely ass backwards and a direct assault on women

And ofc he wouldn’t put this on men instead.

Nor give incentives for childbirth but only give punishments.

If only he was aborted, he wouldn’t have the literal audacity to speak. There’s a war on women. And I hope it points back on them

And with this I say, Hexes on the sexists

Edit: in hindsight I should’ve written the title as “attack on japans women” fml 🤦‍♀️

42 Comments
2024/11/15
09:07 UTC

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Wednesday: Project day

Wednesday is Project day!

Do you have any projects you are working on right now? Do you have any ideas or are you looking for inspiration?

Today we want to hear about how your garden is doing - or if you don't have one, your house plants :)

We also want to hear about your art projects! Share them with the community!

Are you doing any crafts? Are you building a new desk? Did you get into knitting? Did you finally spoil yourself and get that 3D printer you always wanted?

Post about it below or share some pictures!

0 Comments
2024/11/13
13:00 UTC

5

New Members Introduction Post

We welcome all our new (or old) members on wgtow. Do you want to introduce yourself? Please do so! Just be careful to not share too many personal information and keep yourself save.

Some introduction prompts (which you can, but don't have to answer):

- What is your age-range?

- What made you go wgtow?

- What are your hobbies and projects?

- What do you love most about being a wgtow?

- What does going your own way mean to you?

- How do you want to contribute to this sub?

- Are you new to wgtow or have you always been a separatist and just didn't have the word for it?

2 Comments
2024/11/09
14:00 UTC

225

What are your thoughts about the rising interest in the 4B movement?

Hi 👋 everyone! With all that’s been happening after the election here in the USA have you seen the dramatic increase in women’s interest in the 4B movement? What are your thoughts on this? Impressions? Worries? Hopes? Do you think that this rising interest in 4B will translate into a growth in WGTOW life? Do you think this will simply turn into an online fad that will co-opt the 4B feminist movement and undermine its legitimacy in the eyes of the public? Could this change people’s perceptions about women’s rights, self-sufficiency, and independence for the better or worse in mainstream society?

I’m curious about everyone’s thoughts and am looking forward to seeing your comments

77 Comments
2024/11/09
06:39 UTC

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Saturday: Music day

Saturday is for music lovers! Share music of your favourite female artists here.

Have you found a new song this week? Anything you listen to on repeat?

Is there an old song you just love to listen to?

Did you finally find the perfect song with great lyrics that does not talk about dating?

Share them with the community below!

2 Comments
2024/11/09
02:00 UTC

89

Pamela Anderson and Drew Barrymore ditch make-up.

Lovely to watch. And soooo relatable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxar7fpuPYo

4 Comments
2024/11/07
23:51 UTC

111

Making a decision to be childfree

A month ago I made a post on whether or not I should have kids. I’ve made the decision not to. Even though I think motherhood is worthwhile, I don’t see the U.S. getting safer for women and girls. For women who made this choice even somewhat reluctantly, do you have any advice? I feel sad about this, and I feel stupid for being sad.

On the other hand, I’m glad I learn toward asexuality, I don’t really get involved with men, so I face less danger from them (it’s never nonexistent, however).

I think I want to engage more with children, so I may volunteer in some capacity. If you have any ideas where/how, please share!

This was the post by the way.

12 Comments
2024/11/06
16:41 UTC

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Trauma Megathread

Welcome to the monthly Trauma Megathread. Please post all traumatic content here. Traumatic content outside the megapost is no longer allowed.

Rules:

  • All traumatic posts are to be posted only in this thread.
  • Posts about traumatic content elsewhere will be deleted.
  • If you're replying to a comment on a non traumatic post with something traumatic, please write it in the trauma thread instead and then link to it in your comment. This way, only users who follow the link will have to see it.
  • Traumatic content must still follow the rules about talking about men.
  • Detailed descriptions of traumatic incidents are not allowed and will be removed (this is to keep our community safe from creeps).
  • Some resources for dealing with trauma are linked in this wiki post.

We are taking these steps to ensure the safety and well-being of our community. Please be cooperative in the implementation of these new rules and report traumatic content outside the Trauma Megathread.

1 Comment
2024/11/06
13:05 UTC

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Wednesday: Project day

Wednesday is Project day!

Do you have any projects you are working on right now? Do you have any ideas or are you looking for inspiration?

Today we want to hear about how your garden is doing - or if you don't have one, your house plants :)

We also want to hear about your art projects! Share them with the community!

Are you doing any crafts? Are you building a new desk? Did you get into knitting? Did you finally spoil yourself and get that 3D printer you always wanted?

Post about it below or share some pictures!

4 Comments
2024/11/06
13:00 UTC

8

Monthly Goals Megapost

What are your personal goals for this month? Some ideas could be:

- What do you plan to further go your own way this month?

- How do you want to strengthen your bonds with your female friends?

- Fitness/Health goals

- Planned projects

- Self care

- Political activism plans (if you feel confident to share)

- Career relevant goals

- What areas of your life did you improve compared to last month?

3 Comments
2024/11/02
13:00 UTC

6

Saturday: Music day

Saturday is for music lovers! Share music of your favourite female artists here.

Have you found a new song this week? Anything you listen to on repeat?

Is there an old song you just love to listen to?

Did you finally find the perfect song with great lyrics that does not talk about dating?

Share them with the community below!

1 Comment
2024/11/02
02:00 UTC

4

Monthly Suggestion Post

Welcome to the new Monthly Suggestion Post. Here, we collect new ideas to help our sub grow and thrive!

Please post your suggestions below.

0 Comments
2024/11/01
20:00 UTC

196

I no longer like romances

I am cleaning my movies watchlist because I have hundreds of titles some of which I added years ago. After reading the synopsis and maybe watch the trailer, I found I no longer like romance movies. They are boring, the plot is fundamentally always the same. Now if its tagged as romance but in fact then ends up being a mystery because someone dies or is kidnapped or is hiding a secret, then I keep it... I like mysteries plus somehow seems more realistic that there's something dark behind the pink façade.

Action movies are also mostly gone. Again the plots are boring, predictable and always the same and crafted to the male audience. Can't stand them anymore.

Seems my brain is naturally decentering from patriarchy constructs which I once was fond of. Good news!

30 Comments
2024/11/01
01:57 UTC

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Wednesday: Project day

Wednesday is Project day!

Do you have any projects you are working on right now? Do you have any ideas or are you looking for inspiration?

Today we want to hear about how your garden is doing - or if you don't have one, your house plants :)

We also want to hear about your art projects! Share them with the community!

Are you doing any crafts? Are you building a new desk? Did you get into knitting? Did you finally spoil yourself and get that 3D printer you always wanted?

Post about it below or share some pictures!

0 Comments
2024/10/30
13:00 UTC

4

Saturday: Music day

Saturday is for music lovers! Share music of your favourite female artists here.

Have you found a new song this week? Anything you listen to on repeat?

Is there an old song you just love to listen to?

Did you finally find the perfect song with great lyrics that does not talk about dating?

Share them with the community below!

0 Comments
2024/10/26
01:00 UTC

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