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    2

    What is the reason behind Mega ‘Zam’s ban remaining in Natdex?

    I could honestly just be missing something obvious but I feel like, especially now after the other recent unbans, Mega Alakazam wouldn’t be too much for the format. In Gen 7 OU viability rankings Mega Zam has been consistently around A, which isn’t bad but it is below things like Landorus Therian, Heatran, Gliscor, and Ferrothorn, all staples of the tier. But maybe it has access to something from a previous generation I’m overlooking, or something about the tier just plays to its strengths more? I have no idea.

    8 Comments
    2024/12/25
    05:46 UTC

    2

    Wish mechanics

    Could anyone clarify how this move decides if its gonna work or not? Half the time I'll switch out my alolamola into another mon and it'll just decide it doesn't want to do that. Are there certian circumstances where the wish won't pass?

    6 Comments
    2024/12/25
    04:53 UTC

    5

    New to doubles, thoughts and what replacements?? Roaring moon has been pretty bad, I lead with incineroar and roaring moon

    2 Comments
    2024/12/25
    02:34 UTC

    70

    why has DPP seemed to age so poorly compared to other past gen OU tiers?

    Back when I started to get into older metagames instead of spamming current gen ladder back during the dark ages of pre dmax ban SWSH, DPP was held in extremely high regard as one of the greatest past gens to pick up and play. However, since then everything has seemed to deteriorate rapidly over the course of 3 years. The council has gone rogue and banned Frosslass without consulting the community for no reason, the forums are a mess with everyone squabbling over iron head rachi, and the Machamp suspect has completely broken Jimothy Cool, the Youtuber most known for his completely cool and collected persona. Even BKC has completely lost it and started posting sub 10 minute videos. What is happening? Has the ADV renaissance made DPP look bad in comparison even though nothing has changed? Has DPP always been like this? Is anything real anymore?

    27 Comments
    2024/12/25
    01:38 UTC

    204

    Jimothy Cool thinks Gen 4 OU is beyond help

    40 Comments
    2024/12/25
    01:00 UTC

    4

    Need advice for my trick room pu team

    I wanna know how I can improve it:

    Hattrem (F) @ Eviolite
    Ability: Magic Bounce
    Tera Type: Psychic
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk

    • Trick Room
    • Mystical Fire
    • Psychic
    • Healing Wish

    Banette @ Clear Amulet
    Ability: Cursed Body
    Tera Type: Fighting
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Brave Nature

    • Poltergeist
    • Swords Dance
    • Tera Blast
    • Trick Room

    Bellibolt @ Leftovers
    Ability: Electromorphosis
    Tera Type: Water
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk

    • Discharge
    • Chilling Water
    • Parabolic Charge
    • Protect

    Mudsdale @ Leftovers
    Ability: Stamina
    Tera Type: Dragon
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature

    • Earthquake
    • Body Press
    • Stealth Rock
    • Protect

    Hariyama @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Guts
    Tera Type: Steel
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
    Brave Nature

    • Belly Drum
    • Drain Punch
    • Knock Off
    • Bullet Punch

    Appletun @ Petaya Berry
    Ability: Ripen
    Tera Type: Steel
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature

    • Apple Acid
    • Dragon Pulse
    • Tera Blast
    • Recover
    1 Comment
    2024/12/24
    23:33 UTC

    1

    Returning Player | [Gen 9] UU Team

    0 Comments
    2024/12/24
    21:45 UTC

    2

    2-Part Video Series on last Smogon Premier League Finals

    https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-premier-league-xvi-hype-thread.3754968/post-10380865

    The Smogon Tournament Director team teamed up with tempt6 to hype up the upcoming Smogon Premier League season (auction draft starts Jan 5). The two videos show the 2023 SPL finals between the Dragonspiral Tyrants (managed by reyscarface and blunder) and the Circus Maximus Tigers (managed by z0mOG and Genesis7) and the story of their match contested across all nine generations of OU.

    0 Comments
    2024/12/24
    20:45 UTC

    2

    How should I put together a Bulky Offensive team in Doubles?

    Hello, a few days ago I made some posts without understanding much about team architectures in Pokémon Showdown, I watched some videos and now I understand more about the team types in Showdown, the one that interested me most was Hazards Stack Bulky Offense, but it doesn't It works a lot in Doubles from what I analyzed in Posts and Videos.

    I really wanted to build a team around Gholdengo, and I thought this was the best Moveset for him on this occasion, I also saw the Offense Iron Valiant style and I was very interested in it, it's a really interesting Pokémon, I don't have much idea which ones Pokémon to put on the team from now on, after all, Pokémon Showdown content in Brazil is very difficult to find, and as English is very difficult to understand (particularly), it was very complicated to understand which Pokémon should I put and which moveset to put on the Pokémon (and also how I should put it in Doubles, or if it even worked), please give me advice and be apprehensive :)

    https://pokepast.es/1da0a8eec61ec894 this is The base Team

    3 Comments
    2024/12/24
    19:40 UTC

    102

    What made DPP OU so well liked in the past compared to now?

    I first “got” (watched youtubers talk about the game) into competitive Pokémon in 2015 and back then most people seemed to agree DPP was the gold standard for competitive Pokémon. This could’ve been because of explosion of new mechanics and online that propelled DPP to stardom but even asides from that people seemed to hold it to a high regard compared to gen 5. Now just like with the games they come from, gen 5 is seen in a more positive light compared to gen 4. Unconsciously I knew gen 4 was getting worse overtime but since I didn’t play the tier, I just assumed it was still held in a high regard, just with some annoyances with Machamp and Jirachi and a few unfortunate moments. In your opinion what were some of the primary causes to this shift in perception? Was it the people talking about it, how people played the meta game, just more people playing it recently which caused more people to see the problems, or was it time and distance that made DPP less appealing?

    31 Comments
    2024/12/24
    17:15 UTC

    304

    Can palafin be used with assault vest?

    I use this in ou doubles but is it possible to use palafin as a bulky mon?

    33 Comments
    2024/12/24
    17:14 UTC

    1,029

    Ursaluna won Overrated Wallbreaker. Gen 9 OU Day 24- Who’s the most UNDERRATED Wallbreaker?

    179 Comments
    2024/12/24
    17:06 UTC

    10

    LBPPL Draft Team Team Review

    2 Comments
    2024/12/24
    16:47 UTC

    808

    Jimothy Cool Gives Up on DPP

    https://preview.redd.it/fq5z5eqslt8e1.png?width=1700&format=png&auto=webp&s=e9e973924aa32bb35a38ae1129a94083b7792439

    Jimothy Cool has finally come to the conclusion I and many others have realized over the years, which is that DPP is a "variance madhouse." In most instances, it is a glorified coinflip, a fact which most Smogon Premier League managers have recognized over the years. When I was first starting on the site, DPP was worshipped, and you would routinely see DPPers cross the 15k threshold with ease. Nowadays, hardly any DPPer even goes above 10k, and those that do are usually overpriced. Many people have been convinced that the tier is much more playable and competitive than it really is due to BKC; while he is in fact one of the best players ever, his unabashed love of DPP has stopped him from accepting and recognizing the truth. I personally do not watch Jimothy Cool that much but I respect his content, and I find it refreshing in a way to see someone that normally comes across as quite tame have a complete break down due to the horrors inflicted upon him by the madhouse. There are countless problems plaguing DPP OU, and just banning Machamp because you hate the RNG aspect of the Pokemon seems like a dumb idea. It was used 5 times total last SPL and there would still be way too many luck-based elements in the tier such as Gyarados's Waterfall (which BKC also wants to ban, by the way) and Jirachi as a whole. At this point, the tier just needs to be accepted for what it is: a very luck-based metagame. Ultimately, I am just glad that it seems like this suspect test is opening people's eyes to the true nature of Gen 4 OU.

    240 Comments
    2024/12/24
    16:04 UTC

    1

    Need help with teambuilding

    So, background info, i play a Pokémon game where the meta is this:

    https://preview.redd.it/du10oo4oct8e1.png?width=1038&format=png&auto=webp&s=2be94e622fb967d6d09600830db7410218b4a400

    https://preview.redd.it/v9mo8nbpct8e1.png?width=915&format=png&auto=webp&s=9867752602095c1230e5a6b16b3cf01a9e33e3ac

    I want to create the strongest team possible. Meaning that i can use any of the Pokémon here. These are the pokemon i currently have access to:

    https://preview.redd.it/emow461yct8e1.png?width=826&format=png&auto=webp&s=6be3a4b778a98cb2b5ca9e599038925c8453f9c8

    Salamence, Scizor, Gengar and Metagross are megas.

    Scolipede, Toxapex, Gliscor and Mewtwo are Hidden ability.

    Mew and Scolipede are baton passers.

    I want to counter the meta, and the most common meta pokemon are these:

    Darmanitan (Galar)
    Dracovish
    Marshadow
    Mewtwo
    Greninja (Ash, and HA)
    Salamence (Mega)
    Gliscor (HA)

    My current team is that bottom row, consisting of Marshadow, Gliscor, Mewtwo, Scizor, Toxapex and Shaymin (Sky).

    What weaknesses does my team have? What strengths? How do i beat the meta and create the most unstoppable team? What should i add to my team?

    I appreciate any answers! :D

    1 Comment
    2024/12/24
    15:25 UTC

    17

    Best competitive English-speaking poketubers

    What are your favourite competitive Smogon youtubers? I wonder who are the most popular ones. Reddit only allows 6 options, so please don't blame me to not have included your favourite poketuber.

    View Poll

    33 Comments
    2024/12/24
    07:04 UTC

    23

    How would you fix my Regulation H team? (Not sure if this is the right place to ask)

    7 Comments
    2024/12/24
    05:38 UTC

    5

    Team Bazaar Tuesday - Post the teams you've had recent success with here!

    Welcome to Team Bazaar Tuesday! This is a platform for you to post the teams you have built in a more casual setting than RMT posts, similar to the Smogon Bazaar Threads.

    #Rules:

    1. Your team must be posted in either pokepast.es or pastebin.com
    2. Your team must be posted as a comment reply to the corresponding metagame comment (OU, VGC, Other)
    3. Please add a short description about your team/teambuilding process.
    4. Don't hesitate to respond to other people's teams to ask questions or share your experiences with the team!
    3 Comments
    2024/12/24
    05:01 UTC

    219

    To the ones making sets for randbats singles

    Whoever came up with the Cosmic Power Arceus Fighting stall set, I hope you burn in hell and never find peace in your life ever again

    28 Comments
    2024/12/24
    03:57 UTC

    0

    Question about Mono RandBats

    Before I ask this, let me clarify that I’m not crying or whining about anything, I’m just curious.

    How are the teams chosen in Monotype Randoms? I’m asking this due to the fact that it seems like more often than not, the teams that I face are super effective STAB against my own mons. I don’t mind the disadvantage, because it promotes creativity (yk, until my team gets completely shutout by like turn 8 lol), but why is this the case? I think it’s evident that each player’s team is chosen based on what type gets generated first, and then whatever type has a good matchup against it. Am I wrong about that? Is there something more to it? Would it be more competitive if each type was randomly chosen with the same odds as any other, regardless of the type chart?

    7 Comments
    2024/12/24
    02:10 UTC

    45

    Is Scyther usable in DPP OU?

    My newest target for a weird Pokémon to use in DPP is scyther. Right now I’m trying it out on a team with lead Aerodactyl to try and stop opposing rocks from going up and Starmie to spin in case they do get set up.

    The main stars of the team are banded Scizor and scarfed Scyther. The 2 of them come in and click u turn but the idea is that Scyther is just a faster backup Scizor whenever speed it a big concern.

    Scyther is pretty much a worse Scizor but I think it’s maybe a little bit underrated. I’m curious on the general opinion on Scyther is.

    20 Comments
    2024/12/23
    23:13 UTC

    38

    Mega Charizard Y Nat Dex team. Peaked at ELO 1812, ranked #42

    My best placement yet in National Dex OU. With Tera now gone, there's no more guessing games with potential KOs with Charizard Y (screw you Garganacl).

    Zard Y is really shining in this meta however it's harder to check certain threats without Tera now like Ogrepon who pretty much trucks through this team barring switching in on a Toxic and hoping it doesn't have Sub or Play Rough to get around Raging Bolt. Even then, Ogrepon is neutral to Thunderclap and Raging Bolt doesn't appreciate getting hit with a +2 Ivy Cudgel. Kingambit is more manageable without Tera. It having access to pursuit though makes it really dangerous throughout the game now, instead of just late game. Luckily Great Tusk can handle it perfectly fine. Mega Diancie is a huge pain in my ass and requires a bunch of stuff to go right to deal with. Dragapult DDance and Z move sets are problematic sets. I don't really know why this Pokémon was brought back when the Z Move set was what got it banned. What do I know.

    18 Comments
    2024/12/23
    19:54 UTC

    5

    Noob question: where to OU teams made by others?

    I see in blunder’s videos he often takes teams from smogon forums and uses teams that others have made. I’ve never really used smogon forums and haven’t been able to find where these are. I’ve found the sample teams, but I don’t believe these are made by randoms but just staff and there’s only a few. I’m looking for inspiration on how to build around a specific pokemon too, so if you can somehow search by pokemon that would be cool. Sorry if this is a noob question but I wasn’t able to figure it out with my digging.

    8 Comments
    2024/12/23
    18:02 UTC

    1

    Suggestions for a singles (OU) team

    So I just came back to the game after a while, and have had some experience with comp but still fairly new, especially to gen 9. I was wondering if anyone could offer suggestions/or advice on other mons to add for this balance team I'm trying to make. So far, my core is Gholdengo, Ting Lu, and Dondozo.

    Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
    Ability: Vessel of Ruin
    Tera Type: Ghost EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Impish Nature

    • Spikes
    • Whirlwind
    • Ruination
    • Earthquake

    Dondozo @ Heavy-Duty Boots
    Ability: Unaware
    Tera Type: Grass
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish Nature

    • Waterfall
    • Rest
    • Curse
    • Sleep Talk

    Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
    Ability: Good as Gold
    Tera Type: Fighting
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk

    • Nasty Plot
    • Shadow Ball
    • Make It Rain
    • Focus Blast

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    0 Comments
    2024/12/23
    17:37 UTC

    1,378

    Iron Hands won Bum Wallbreaker. Gen 9 OU Day 23- Who’s the most OVERRATED Wallbreaker?

    126 Comments
    2024/12/23
    17:27 UTC

    60

    How is Palafin? Will it get banned again?

    Or is it more manageable now?

    28 Comments
    2024/12/23
    09:02 UTC

    188

    What happened to all the showdown salt content creators? I was out of the game for a year.

    In 2022 and 2023, pokemon showdown content on youtube was basically gimmicks and noobs with full Uber teams getting salty in the chat. Temp6t and similar youtubers were very popular.

    Now, it feels like actual teambuilding and laddering are much more popular (and I love it). What happened in the meantime?

    47 Comments
    2024/12/23
    05:26 UTC

    2

    Mega Monday Megathread

    Hey everyone! Welcome to Mega Monday!

    This is a thread for focused Theorymon discussion. Today, we’re focusing on Mega Evolutions! Check out our Theorymon Thursdays for less regulated discussion.

    Make-A-Mega Rules:

    • All Megas must be posted within this thread
    • Give us a complete breakdown of the Pokémon
    • Tell us how the 100 extra base stats are distributed
    • Do not alter the HP stat when adding the extra 100 stats
    • Don't move around more than 40 total BST in a single stat
    • Tell us what types and abilities work best for it
    • Try to avoid broken or over used abilities like Huge Power, Speed Boost, or Shadow Tag/Arena Trap on Pokémon that don't need that large of a boost.
    • Do not change the primary type, but you can add or change a secondary type
    • You may teach the Pokémon up to two new moves that it does not already learn
    • Give us its best move set in Showdown! export format
    • Please include artwork if you're feeling artistic!
    • If you downvote a comment, please provide feedback by leaving a response to the original comment

    That's all she wrote! Happy Mega Evolving! Tune in next Monday for the Gigantamax Monday Megathread!

    4 Comments
    2024/12/23
    05:00 UTC

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