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Omicron Ceti III- Health Planet

Been watching TOS from the beginning and got to one of my favorites, This Side of Paradise. So much to love about that episode, Spock being all emotional, Bones with a stronger southern drawl, and the Kirk-Spock brawl. Never remember thinking this before, but with the spores and the Bertol rays, it is the perfect place to recover from any injury or health problems. Stay for a week, have your scars be healed. As far as I know, this was never brought up again in Trek stories, how do you think this could have changed other Trek plot lines if this was capitalized on?

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2023/12/05
05:39 UTC

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Looking for help with con schedule

Hey y’all! I found a convention schedule from an old con in a vintage jacket I bought recently. It seems like a pre-Voyager con run by Creation, so I don’t think it’s Farpoint or Shore Leave in ‘93. I only think it’s ‘93, because the back of the paper mentions a future con being in ‘94.

If anyone has any ideas about what con it was, please let me know! I’m dying to know what this con was!

The attached Imgur link has the photos of the front and back of the paper so anyone can look at it for more information.

https://imgur.com/a/5qe4caz

2 Comments
2023/12/05
05:39 UTC

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Trek house

Here in my house we all watch Star Trek... but the dogs, they watch Andromeda.

1 Comment
2023/12/05
05:14 UTC

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Balance of Terror is a Top 10 Trek Episode of All Time: Change My Mind

It may not follow the Trek formula. It doesn't have that vibe, it might not have the ideals or the development, or anything else. But holy shit, it is a goddamn amazing episode.

The whole thing is on a blood knifes edge, with Kirk and Romulan battling what is basically their opposite equal. "In another time, we could have been friends". McCoy's "don't destroy the one named Kirk lines" It's a peak episode, writing and everything. The cat and mouse, the tactics, first face to face with the Romulans. The marriage, the death, the reality of service in Starfleet. It's everything.

I just fucking love every second of it, it's damn near perfect.

"I regret that we meet this way. You and I are of the same kind. in another time I would have called you friend"

43 Comments
2023/12/05
04:45 UTC

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Did Zephram Cochrane suggest the name USS Enterprise for the first NX Class ship?

I am sure this has been brought up before but in First Contact Zephram Cochrane hears the name USS Enterprise and also sees the general design of the USS Enterprise-E up close for a few seconds.

Then, over the coming decades Cochrane ends up designing a ship that looks vaguely like the E, and also has the name Enterprise?

Is it possible because of First Contact Cochrane suggested the name USS Enterprise for the first Warp 5 capable starship, naming it after the ship he credited with saving Earth and him, and also because he saw the Enterprise-E he got a general idea of what Starfleet ships should look like?

If so, would that mean the look of Starfleet ships in general, and the name USS Enterprise are almost a closed loop, something destined to happen because of the events of First Contact and the insights Cochrane got of the 24th Century?

Had the Enterprise-E not been there is there a chance the first NX Class would have been called something entirely different and Starfleet have entirely different design principles for their ships?

26 Comments
2023/12/05
03:01 UTC

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Where To Get Model Ships

Does anyone know of a reputable place to get high quality starship replicas? I want to get an Enterprise-D replica for Christmas but I’m not sure where I can get one without it just being a cheap plastic toy.

Help would be much appreciated!

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2023/12/05
01:26 UTC

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Who else thinks Tasha Yar was taken to Talos IV instead of dying like they thought she did well trying to get past Armus and her death was covered up?

I have a feeling that she was taken to Talos IV as well because the Talosians have a reputation for being able to manipulate reality with their telekinesis, after all, and could have brought Tasha back by manipulating the brain activity that was left and given her a new identity, perhaps even making her one of them.

Also what if they were the original inhabitants of Vagra II and they were all wiped out by a catastrophic event and the Talosians decided to preserve their memories and create a new race of people from them, using their memories as a template for their new lives.

So maybe Tasha Yar was brought back to life as one of them, living out a new life with a new identity, her old life as a Starfleet officer forgotten, but the memories still there buried deep within her new mind.

Probably the Vagrans left the planet to colonize other worlds and were indeed telepathic, so the Talosians could have learned from them and incorporated that knowledge into their society.

Tasha Yar might have been given the chance to join these other Vagrans as well, living out a new life among them, her past as a Starfleet officer forgotten but still present beneath the surface.

The Talosians could have helped her adapt to this new life, using their telepathic abilities to guide her and shape her into a vital member of their community.

Why would they kill off a beloved character without explanation?

I think they were drawn to that planet so Armus could use Tasha Yar as a means to get off that planet by killing her in hopes of taking over her body as a new vessel to carry out his evil plan.

Tasha, being the brave and loyal officer that she was, refused to let that happen and tried to stop him, leading to her death the Talosians, seeing the potential in Tasha's memories and spirit.

So they decided to save the brain activity within her and offer Tasha a new life among them, a chance to start over and live out her life as a part of their unique society and trick Armus or kind of mock him because of his bullying behavior.

They could have learned from the Vagrans about their telepathic abilities and incorporated that knowledge into their own culture, perhaps even enhancing it Tasha's past as a Starfleet officer, was hidden from her conscious mind, but the memories remained buried deep within her subconscious.

The Talosians could have helped her navigate this new reality and helped her find a new purpose in life, using their telepathic powers to guide her and shape her into a valuable member of their community.

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2023/12/04
23:34 UTC

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What If Apokolips and the Fourth World existed in the Star Trek universe?

I was thinking to start asking on the subreddit some questions which what could be the subsequent scenario if Marvel or DC aliens existed in the ST universe. I'm now starting with this (next i would do Kree and Skrulls, Lanterns, Viltrumites and some others).

What if Darkseid and the New Gods from Apokolips existed in the Star Trek universe? How the UFP would handle his forces? Could even have a chance of defeating him in a war? What Darkseid would think of the Klingon Empire, The Dominion, The Borgs etc...?

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2023/12/04
20:09 UTC

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Captain Saavik

I recently came across a fan made trading card of an older Saavik in a later DS9 era uniform. It would’ve been cool if she had made a guest appearance.

1 Comment
2023/12/05
02:36 UTC

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Star Trek episode list help

Hello my fellow trekkies I need your help! My buddy is getting deployed soon and he’s not gonna have any form of internet for a while. So im placing a 1tb loaded with Star Trek episodes onto it as well as other goodies. I need a comprehensive list episodes that I should place that form a cohesive plot for each series( all the episodic episodes can kick dirt). I’ve only got 1tb so a suggestion would be appreciated!

16 Comments
2023/12/05
02:33 UTC

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Need Quotes

Hello!

I'm in need of quotes for my father's board in the hospital. I try and update it frequently. The only thing I ask is it isn't like a full blown monolog, I don't have that much room for that.

I appreciate any quotes I get. Thank you!

Some quotes I've already put on the board.

Fun will now commence- Seven

Wake me up if it turns into something I need to care about-Beckett

There is coffee in that nebula-Janeway

Warp Factor in 5, 6, 7, 8.-Riker

Riker!-Bomiler

56 Comments
2023/12/05
00:10 UTC

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Do teenagers still like star trek?

Doesn't seem many people of this demographic are very interested in it.

276 Comments
2023/12/04
21:52 UTC

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All our yesterdays

For some reason this bit of Fridge Logic started in my head.

The Episode "All our Yesterdays"...if the people on Sarpeidon have the scientific knowledge to build a working time machine powerful enough to send their entire population to the past, why couldn't they build spacecraft to leave the planet before the end?

Doesn't that make their entire existence one big time loop?

12 Comments
2023/12/04
21:16 UTC

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December 2023 list of 99 cent ebooks from Simon & Schuster. Thoughts? Recommendations?

Star Trek eBook Deals (avail through Dec 31, 2023)

I'm glancing over the updated list of cheap Star Trek ebooks from S&S, and I confess to feeling a little underwhelmed. What gems am I missing here?

Ascendance

By David R. George III

The post-television Deep Space Nine saga continues with this original novel from New York Times bestselling author David R. George III!

Masks

By John Vornholt

The Enterprise journeys to Lorca, a beautiful world where the inhabitants wear masks to show their rank and station. There, Captain Picard and an away team begin a quest for the planet's ruler and the great Wisdom Mask that the leader traditionally wears. Their mission: establish diplomatic relations.

Ishmael

By Barbara Hambly

This unforgettable and suspenseful Star Trek: The Original Series adventure follows the Enterprise crew in a desperate rescue mission to the past to save First Officer Spock and stop the Klingons from changing the future forever.

Into the Nebula

By Gene DeWeese

The members of the Starship Enterprise™ must find the people responsible for destroying the planet before an entire civilization dies out.

The Eyes of the Beholders

By A.C. Crispin

The U.S.S. Enterprise is sent on a mission to find missing Klingon ships, but what they find threatens the lives of all those aboard the ship.

Rogue Saucer

By John Vornholt

The crew members of U.S.S. Enterprise™ face deadly threats when the ship's new experimental saucer is hijacked by dangerous forces.

Savage Trade

By Tony Daniel

The U.S.S. Enterprise under the command of Captain James T. Kirk is en route to the extreme edge of the Alpha Quadrant, and to a region known as the Vara Nebula. Its mission: to investigate why science outpost Zeta Gibraltar is not answering all Federation hailing messages. When the Enterprise arrives, a scan shows no life forms in the science station. Kirk leads a landing party and quickly discovers the reason for the strange silence—signs of a violent firefight are everywhere. Zeta Gibraltar has been completely raided. Yet there are no bodies and the entire roster of station personnel is missing…

Dwellers in the Crucible

By Margaret Wander Bonanno

Warrantors of Peace: the Federation's daring experiment to prevent war among its members. each Warrantor, man or woman is hostage for the government of his native world -- and is instantly killed if that world breaks the peace.

The Wounded Sky

By Diane Duane

An alien scientist invents the Intergalactic Inversion Drive, an engine system that transcends warp drive—and the U.S.S Enterprise will be the first to test it! The Klingons attempt to thwart the test, but a greater danger looms when strange symptoms surface among the crew—and time becomes meaningless.

The Joy Machine

By James Gunn

Timshel was once the vacation spot of the galaxy, full of culture, natural beauty, and friendly, hospitable inhabitants. But now Timshel has cut itself off from the universe. No one is allowed to enter or leave. Concerned, the Federation has sent agents to investigate, but none have returned.

Strangers From The Sky

By Margaret Wander Bonanno

The planets Earth and Vulcan experience a mysterious first contact in this fascinating Star Trek novel featuring the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise.

Years before the formal first contact between Earth and another planet’s inhabitants, a Vulcan space vessel crash landed in the South Pacific, forcing humanity to decide whether to offer the hand of friendship, or the fist of war. Complicating matters is a second visitation: a group of people from two hundred years in the future, who serve on a starship called Enterprise.

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2023/12/04
21:11 UTC

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Star Trek Book Deals For December 2023, 11 books for $0.99 each

Books in bold have not been on sale in a long time:

Star Trek: 13 The Wounded Sky by Diane Duane on 1983-12-01

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An alien scientist invents the Intergalactic Inversion Drive, an engine system that transcends warp drive, and the U.S.S. Enterprise will be the first to test it! The Klingons attempt to thwart the test, but a greater danger looms when strange symptoms surface among the crew, and time becomes meaningless. Captain Kirk and his friends must repair the fabric of the Universe before time is lost forever.

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Star Trek: 23 Ishmael by Barbara Hambly on 1985-05-01

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The Enterprise is on a peaceful mission at Starbase 12, and Spock is visiting aboard a Klingon vessel, when a mysterious phenomenon causes the Klingon ship to vanish. Spock's last message from the ship is cryptic, but frightening. It suggests that the Klingons are traveling into the past, hoping to kill one man who was decisive in the course of history, and thereby change it, destroying the Federation before it was born.

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Star Trek: 25 Dwellers In The Crucible by Margaret Wander Bonanno on 1985-09-01

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DWELLERS IN THE CRUCIBLE Warrantors of Peace: the Federation's daring experiment to prevent war among its members. each Warrantor, man or woman is hostage for the government of his native world -- and is instantly killed if that world breaks the peace. Now Romulans have kidnapped six Warrantors, to foment political chaos -- and then civil war -- within the Federation. Captain Kirk must send Sulu to infiltrate Romulan territory, find the hostages, and bring them back alive -- before the Federation self-destructs!

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Star Trek: 80 The Joy Machine by James Gunn on 1996-09-01

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Timshel was once the vacation spot of the galaxy, full of culture, natural beauty, and friendly, hospitable inhabitants. But now Timshel has cut itself off from the universe. No one is allowed to enter or leave. Concerned, the Federation has sent agents to investigate, but none have returned. Captain Kirk and the crew of the Starship Enterprise are shocked to discover the truth: the people of Timshel have succumbed to an insidious new technology that guarantees every citizen total pleasure, a soul-destroying ecstasy that has enslaved their entire civilization. Kirk and Spock have faced many threats before, but now they face the most seductive menace of all: perfect happiness. And the rest of the Federation may soon fall under the irresistible control of the Joy Machine.

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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Ascendance by David R. George III on 2015-12-29

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On the original Deep Space Nine, Captain Kira Nerys watches as the nearby wormhole opens and discharges a single, bladelike vessel. Attempts to contact its crew fail, and the ship is soon followed by another vessel of similar design. When an armada subsequently begins to emerge from the wormhole, it seems clear that DS9 is under attack. Kira orders her first officer, Commander Elias Vaughn, to board the U.S.S. Defiant and defend the station, and alerts Starfleet to send additional forces as her crew prepares DS9’s shields and weaponry for the onslaught to come. Meanwhile, on the lead ship, Iliana Ghemor considers launching an attack on DS9 and finally ending the life of Kira, the fountainhead of all the ills in her miserable life. Her vengeance demands more than mere death, though—it requires pain. Ghemor refocuses, choosing to follow her plan to mete out her revenge on the captain by first decimating the population of Bajor…

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Star Trek: Strangers From The Sky by Margaret Wander Bonanno on 1987-07-01

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In the twenty-first century: Years before the formal first contact that would be recorded in Earth's history, a Vulcan space vessel crash-lands in the South Pacific, forcing humanity to decide whether to offer the hand of friendship, or the fist of war. Complicating matters is a second visitation: a group of people from two hundred years in the future, who serve on a starship called Enterprise.... In the twenty-third century: A new novel called Strangers from the Sky reveals the truth about this heretofore unknown first contact. Reading the novel leads to nightmares that torment Admiral James T. Kirk -- dreams of his dead comrades, Gary Mitchell, Lee Kelso, and Elizabeth Dehner, from his earliest days aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise visions of a forgotten past in which he somehow changed the course of history and destroyed the Federation before it began.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation: 13 The Eyes Of The Beholders by A.C. Crispin on 1990-09-01

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After several Federation and Klingon ships disappear while traveling a newly opened trade route, the U.S.S. Enterprise is sent to investigate. Their quest leads Captain Picard and his crew to an eerie space graveyard full of ships of every size and description, all of them, dead in space. At the center of the graveyard lies a huge, incredibly powerful artifact, constructed by an ancient alien race. And as the crew struggles to solve the mystery of the artifact, they unwittingly trigger its awesome power, a power that threatens insanity and death to all aboard the Starship Enterprise.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation: 36 Into The Nebula by Gene Deweese on 1995-07-01

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While exploring an unknown region of space, the U.S.S. Enterprise encounters a strange nebular dust. Upon further investigation, they discover a planet called Krantin on which the plant and animal life, as well as the civilization are dying. A series of explosions and a ship that simply disappears into thin air lead the crew to believe another group is causing the devastation of the planet. The leader of the planet's society, however, is wary of trusting the starship Enterprise crewmembers, and has the away team arrested. With time running out, Data must find a way to save his crewmates or watch as two worlds are destroyed.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation: 39 Rogue Saucer by John Vornholt on 1996-03-01

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While its own saucer section receives repairs, the Enterprise tests a new experimental saucer that can, in theory, survive a crash landing on a planetary surface. Riker, Data, Worf, La Forge, and Starfleet's Admiral Nechayev will risk their lives to test this new sauce. But that dangerous test turns even more perilous when hostile forces seize control of the new saucer, and turn it against the Enterprise.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation: 7 Masks by John Vornholt on 1989-07-01

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The U.S.S. EnterpriseTM journeys to Lorca, a beautiful world with a feudal culture where the inhabitants wear masks to show their rank and station. Captain Picard and an away team don masks of their own to begin a quest for the planet's ruler and the great Wisdom Mask that the leader traditionally wears. Their mission is to establish diplomatic relations. But shortly after transporting, Picard and his party lose contact with the ship, and Commander Riker leads a search party down to the planet to find them. Both men, are unaware that their searches, indeed, the ship's entire mission are part of the plan of a madman, a madman who is setting the stage for a trap that will ensnare both U.S.S. Enterprise landing parties, and leave him to seize control of the awesome Wisdom Mask as well as the planet Lorca itself.

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Star Trek: The Original Series: Savage Trade by Tony Daniel on 2015-02-24

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An all-new Star Trek: Original Series novel from noted sci-fi author Tony Daniel, featuring James T. Kirk, Spock, and the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise! The U.S.S. Enterprise under the command of Captain James T. Kirk is en route to the extreme edge of the Alpha Quadrant, and to a region known as the Vara Nebula. Its mission: to investigate why science outpost Zeta Gibraltar is not answering all Federation hailing messages. When the Enterprise arrives, a scan shows no life forms in the science station. Kirk leads a landing party and quickly discovers the reason for the strange silence—signs of a violent firefight are everywhere. Zeta Gibraltar has been completely raided. Yet there are no bodies and the entire roster of station personnel is missing…

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2023/12/04
21:07 UTC

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Question about the changelings in DS9

DS9 SPOILERS BELOW

Doing a rewatch, and at the episodes where Bashir and other other are in captivity, while there is a changeling taking his place on DS9.

What I am wondering is, how would a changeling that recently took someone's place, have so much knowledge about the original's past, or even how to use complicated consoles and such?

18 Comments
2023/12/04
20:57 UTC

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Variants on different species like Andorian, Tellarite, Romulan and others

I get that the differences between some species across different series does come down to budget and prosthetic technology, especially if it's between TOS and any of the later series. Though there's some things I noticed.

Andorians - I assume that between TOS and ENT they're meant to be the same types, ENT is them simply with a better budget and techniques for Andorians. But there's an actual difference between Andorians in the modern series, in Discovery and Strange New Worlds, Andorians have prominent ridges around their eyes and brows, while in Picard and Lower Decks they don't.

Tellarites - There's the classic one that was updated in Enterprise. Discovery, Strange New Worlds and Prodigy they have roughly the same nose with some tusks outside their mouths. Then there's the type of Tellarite with a different nose and tusks who was with the news network crew that was interviewing Picard, and they reused that Tellarite makeup for a Tellarite officer on the Titan. And finally there's whatever Jankom Pok looks like, which is interesting since Nuom looks like one of the other Tellarites.

Romulans - They already addressed the differences between TOS and TNG with the V-ridges and Laris' comment about "Northeners" in Picard. But Picard also showed Romulans with wide nose-bridges like Nero from the 2009 movie, and some with ear shapes that are more bat-like or with ridges in them.

Klingons - There's been a lot of discussions on the differences on Klingons between TOS, the movies and Discovery, with the Augment strain or great houses looking a certain way. Even SNW with a return to the Klingons from the movies and TNG, had at least one Klingon with an elongated head that the ones in Discovery had.

Cardassians - There's a difference between Discovery and the other series, where Cardassians have rocky grey skin, Cardassians have not shown up in any other modern live action series yet.

Ferengi - Also different in Discovery with one Ferengi looking like the early concept sketch of a Ferengi, but Picard had a Ferengi dealer of the classic appearance.

Bajorans - It's a more subtle one, but some Bajorans have a pinch above their nose ridges and some don't, the differences being from TNG and DS9.

4 Comments
2023/12/04
19:34 UTC

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Is it sick to want 3D release of O.G Trek,

the simple sets, staging and blocking etc are perfect for it.

5 Comments
2023/12/04
14:44 UTC

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So exactly what kind of “commentary” was Neelix supposed to provide on the human condition?

In one of the most baffling decisions made by B&B, Neelix’s role in Voyager was to serve as their equivalent to Odo, Quark, and Data, as an outside looking in alien perspective on humanity and its various traits, as well as comment on “the human condition”. While Voyager would eventually receive this character in 7 of 9, and arguably already had this character down pat in The Doctor, what commentary exactly was Neelix supposed to provide? He’s basically a scavenger gremlin with a psychological equivalent to a standard con man, essentially just a dude in makeup, and unlike the Ferengi his nature is just that of a trash man, explicitly separated and on the outs with other Talaxians. Some rando cultural pariah is not a commentary on anything, and Neelix being both uninteresting narratively and obnoxious is not a recipe for an Ensemble Darkhorse. So what exactly WAS the plan?

96 Comments
2023/12/04
16:29 UTC

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How would Tom Paris do as a captain?

I think it would be rough at 1st but he'd grow into it but he would still be a bit of a loose cannon.

64 Comments
2023/12/04
19:14 UTC

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Who Mourns for Morn? - Spoilers

This season six episode is killing me 😂. Morn was always a background character who says literally nothing. Ever. He was just someone who you could count on to be sitting at the bar. The way they play off of that and build up his story that could be it's own ST spin-off, talking about how the guy never shut up, Worf saying he was a great sparring partner, Dax admitting she had a crush on him, then the massive turn out to his memorial service. Then later his scheming (but fake), hot ex wife hiding in his mud bath and the fake Mafia like loan sharks he was in debt to and the guy from the royal family and all the scandal surrounding the 1,000 gold-pressed latinum bricks that Morn stole from his heist partners. Every scene upped the 007-like past of this seemingly "nobody." Then to find out it was all a scam perpetrated by Morn, the genius! Not bad for a filler episode. I'm glad they didn't kill him off just for an unimportant story.

Is this the first time we find out that gold has no value in the Star Trek universe? When Quark finds the bricks and discovers that someone had extracted all the latinum he was mad that all he had was "worthless" gold.

33 Comments
2023/12/04
19:10 UTC

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DS9

I decided to go to sleep earlier than normal last night.... anyway, the dream I had seem to be a mix of TNG VOY & DS9. After all the odd placement of people places and things, let's just say I started the DS9 series from the beginning at 5am. Of course I only got 2 episodes in because I was being hailed to work.

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2023/12/04
18:10 UTC

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TNG: The bonding…

Very moving. Really good TV if you ask me.

I wish modern Trek handled difficult topics like TNG does.

7 Comments
2023/12/04
11:48 UTC

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I recently learned that there is a lost piece of music from the TMP soundtrack, and now you can hear it!

TL;DR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKjAB6mcB10


If you're a nerd for _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_ (best Star Trek film ever made, fite me!) or just for Star Trek music in general, then you're probably aware of the existence of alternate and unused takes for various pieces of music from the TMP score.

The most notable of these is the [original version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbdhC-OXXa0) of the iconic piece, "The Enterprise," which is completely missing the theme we know today despite sounding hauntingly similar to it.

Less well known, but my personal favorite, is an early version of "Inner Workings," which has a haunting piano statement of Vejur's theme in the middle that is completely missing in the final version. (But which got spliced into the revised score for the 2022 remaster when McCoy talks about capturing God! 💖) I tried to find a version of this on YouTube and couldn't, so feel free to provide a link if you know of one.

And there are a few other early versions of pieces. You can find all of them on the [complete version of the TMP soundtrack](https://lalalandrecords.com/star-trek-the-motion-picture-limited-edition-3-cd-set/).

However, what I didn't know was that the piece "The Meld" at the end of the film also has an early version. The [final version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIX3P6Whu4), which we all know so well, has its own standalone theme rather than drawing heavily from other themes in the film (though there is a brief statement of Vejur's theme in the middle). It strikes a rather cosmic, wonder-filled sound, and is one of the strongest pieces on an already very strong soundtrack. (Easily the best Star Trek soundtrack, and arguably one of the greatest motion picture soundtracks ever created.)

But it wasn't what Jerry Goldsmith originally intended!!

Originally, Goldsmith wrote a piece of music that was, essentially, the other bookend to [Ilia's Theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4z2Y1y2Ak) that plays as the overture before the beginning of the film. This early version of "The Meld" combines Ilia's theme and Vejur's theme in a logical yet passionate way (which is fitting, lol), and brings the entire score of the film to a natural thematic climax.

Robert Wise rejected it for being "too romantic," and sent Goldsmith off to try again—which he did, writing an almost completely new piece in its place.

This early version of "The Meld" was apparently never recorded by the orchestra, so there was nothing extant to include on the complete soundtrack when it was released a while back. Instead, it was collected only very recently, in 2021, in the [master sheet music for TMP](https://omnimusicpublishing.com/product/jerry-goldsmith-star-trek-the-motion-picture/) published by Omni, which I recently bought.

Upon seeing this, the contemporary composer Joe Kraemer created a synthetic "mock-up" version of the sheet music using sound libraries so that people could actually hear it. Until then, virtually no one had ever heard this music! Here it is on YouTube, loosely tracked with the events onscreen:

[Body Meld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKjAB6mcB10)

It has some rough edges that are understandable keeping in mind that the surviving sheet music was an early treatment of the piece. We can assume that Goldsmith would've fine-tuned it later to draw out a fuller potential. But even this early version, even performed by a synthetic orchestra, is very powerful! For me, it was like reliving this famous scene from Star Trek history for the first time, all over again! It really casts the scene in a new light, and emphasizes the message that, as one commenter put it, "love conquers all."

I don't fault Wise for rejecting this music. You can argue that it actually _is_ "too romantic" for a big pomp-and-spectacle motion picture finale. But if I were the director, I would have a really hard time making the decision. I think both pieces are very strong, and achieve such different-yet-powerful results in their own ways. It's almost like having two different endings to the film. Goldsmith was an absolute genius.

What do you think? Do you like the well-known final version better? Or do you like the lost early version better? I'm pretty sure I can't decide, but I've listened to the early version dozens of times since discovering it in the past week. It's so gripping!
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2023/12/04
06:34 UTC

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I Just Realized What the VHS Scene in “Spaceballs” is Making Fun Of and I Feel Like an Idiot

I’ve seen Spaceballs dozens of times since I was a kid and it’s always been one of my childhood favorites. One of the most classic scenes for me (and I guess a lot of people) is the VHS Scene, where Helmet and Sandurz watch “Spaceballs the Videotape” in order to get information and the scene shatters the fourth wall by having the characters literally just watch the movie.

Anyway, I’m currently watching Search for Spock and the scene where Kirk watches the security tape of Spock’s death came up. I’ve always chuckled at that scene because they’re so clearly just watching the full scene from the movie. So out loud I said to myself “well it’s a good thing Kirk had a copy of Wrath of Khan laying around…” and at that very second it hit me: this is what Spaceballs was making fun of. I’ve seen both movies multiple times and just never put it together.

Anyway, I’m not sure if this is well known or not but I’ve personally never heard anyone mention it and I laughed extremely hard once it hit me and figured I’d share.

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2023/12/04
03:16 UTC

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Who else is the most cursed member of Star Fleet?

We always joke about the O'Brien curse, over the course of DS9 he went through the wringer. But it made me think, who's the O'Brien of Voyager, TNG? Discovery?

If I had to make an argument, the first guess for Voyager would be Harry, considering all that and never promoted, but Tuvoc is coming in close with a genetic accident, various bits of mind-meld trauma, and temporary lobotomy. Thoughts?

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2023/12/04
02:51 UTC

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Star Trek Generations: The Nexus is so like an NDE account.

This was such an intriguing idea and like the films of Total Recall, it leaves the viewer wondering, is this real or illusion? On the Enterprise, Guinan explains that the Nexus is a realm of bliss and contentment that one doesn't care to leave and all cares and responsibilities seem meaningless there.

Guinan : It was like being inside joy. As if joy was something tangible and you could wrap yourself up in it like a blanket, and never in my entire life have I ever been as content....(later in the scene) If you go, you're not gonna care about anything. Not this ship, not Soran, not me. Nothing. All you'll want is to stay in the Nexus, and you're not gonna want to come back.

(SPOILER) When Picard later finds himself in the Nexus, He's enjoying himself very much, but see's Christmas tree bulbs with blinking lights, almost like they are attempting to wake him up, so he'll remember The Enterprise. Then Guinan appears within the Nexus.

Picard : This isn't right. This can't be real.
Guinan : It's as real as you want it to be. (what i reality?)
Picard : Guinan. What's going on? Why am I here?
Guinan : You're in the Nexus.
Picard : This is the Nexus?
Guinan : For you. This is what you wanted.

She calls herself an echo, but it's not becuase she had been there. For Kirk, Octavia is there, she is also an echo, but presumably has never been in the Nexus. The same would be true for Picard's nephew Rene. The Nexus is like a heaveny holodeck.

Picard : Guinan, can I leave the Nexus?
Guinan : Where would you go?
Picard : I don't understand.
Guinan : Well, as I said, time has no meaning here. So if you leave, you can go anywhere, any time.
Picard : All right, I know exactly where I want to go. To the mountaintop on Veridian III just before Soran destroyed the star. I have to stop him, but I need help. Now, if you were to come back with me, together...
Guinan : I can't leave. I'm there already, remember? But I bet I know someone who can. And from his point of view, he just got here, too.
Picard : [cut to him approaching a cabin in the woods and seeing someone chopping wood] Kirk. James T. Kirk.

Later "Kirk" realizes he is in The Nexus, because he isn't frightened to make a horseback jump that has always spooked him in the past. Being frightened goes against the contentment program. This is a good defense for the justification that Picard and Kirk leave the Nexus to return to reality. I wish that during the flight Kirk had made a comment about feeling fearful to confirm that he is back in reality.

Or has Picard really left his Nexus and joined "Jim's" experience or is he still having his own Nexus experience? Is everything that happens after Guinan's appearance still inside The Nexus? Like the film, (SPOILER) The Last Temptation of Christ, we see people given families who haven't had one, or is it just Picard?, who like Christ in the film, walks away from this vision of domestic bliss for a life of meaning through service.

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2023/12/03
23:35 UTC

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3D renders or Simulations or walkthroughs

I have a very vivid memory about a "playable" walking sim or some such of the Defiant... after spending several hours looking for it I can't even find any mention of it?

I also remember the Ent D one got canned by paramount?

There is also a WIP of Voy.

However I seem to remember the Defiant one was done? Can anyone help with this i think I'm going mental.

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2023/12/03
23:24 UTC

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