/r/short
Welcome to /r/short: Celebrating being FUN SIZED for 10 years!
WELCOME TO /r/short
What is 'short'?
For the purpose of this subreddit, 5'7'' and less is considered "short" for men, and 5'3'' and below is "short" for women.
However, everyone is welcome; we don't care as long as you're polite, respectful and a positive member of our community.
How to use 'flair' on this subreddit
There's also a chat-room, everyone is welcome!
For our non-metric friends, a handy height conversion table
Useful links:
Short Discord: The affiliated discord server where you can chat to fellow users. All heights are welcome.
Support Thread: A List of users willing to listen and help out for those who are having a tough time.
Will I grow?: A collection of thoughts on the issue. There's really no need to rehash this.
Don't forget to check out our sister subreddits: /r/tall, /r/dwarfism, /r/XXS, and /r/shorttwox.
Looking to meet some other people of limited stature? Check out /r/shorty4shorty or /r/shortmeetshort for all your shorty friend finding needs!
Looking for some short fashion advice? Try /r/shortfashion
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Hi, I just did a bone scan and they determined my bone age to be around 17, whilst my actual age is 15 (turning 16 in January). I’m asking this cause i’ve literally only gotten a growth spurt up to 5’2-5’3 in 4th-6th grade puberty, and from then I have literally grown 2-4cm MAX in 4 YEARS till 10th grade. I look EXACTLY like my father, who was 5’10 but I’m stuck at 5’3. My doctor told me according to my bone age and that I got puberty early, i’m most likely cooked but I just literally don’t understand wtf caused me to just stunt, as my hormones and everything were all good, only besides naturally having a above average testosterone level. Only hope I have is that I don’t have a beard, only having 1-4 straggler hairs that just popped up a couple years ago, which means i’m not completely done with tanner stage 5 puberty. Any help would be appreciated
I've seen a few people mention having trouble dating because of height. I can definitely relate but something I'll say is much of the trouble (nor really any to be honest) was my own doing. I've always attracted more women from outside my race than my own. Being black and 5'6" as a man isn't really sought after by black women. I would always get approached by Asian and White women especially when I lived in San Diego. I also always had a thing for Alt black women and darker black women. And they typically had a thing for white men or just not me. I was honestly reminded of this by my Dentist who I was medical tech with 17 years ago. She said her and her roommate at the time one Filipino and the other Loatian really liked me and I just chased around the black women, lol. Couldn't argue, she was right.
My point is there are probably women around you who like you and you'd probably like them too if you got rid of the preconceived notions of the package you thought they'd come in. I'm living in Asia right now and I can say my height has not been an issue. I just had one of the Pharmacists at our luncheon say she swore I couldn't be single and she has an amazing friend she wants to hook me up with. I laughed it off and didn't think anything of it. We all hit a bar after and boom this friends shows up. Awesome woman but again not the package I ever envisioned. My exact height in flats, from Poland and not someone I'd ever really approach because I'd doubt she'd be interested. But she apparently was sent a picture and is very interested.
Go out there with confidence fellas. Or just come to Asia 🤣
When I around 8 years old, I remember being one of if not the most extroverted person in every room I step foot in. I loved attention — and I made sure that all eyes were on me — either for a good or bad reason.
I won’t say it’s the sole factor, but my confidence faded gradually over time seeing my friends tower higher and higher over me.
Just the other day, someone that had known me then pointed out how much more quiet and boring I have become. And added that “I did not follow the trajectory he expected”.
I am so hilariously soft-spoken nowadays that it is no wonder he said what he said. And it is not like I don’t want attention. Deep down, I still am that attention-seeking 8 year old. But when I imagine drawing attention to myself, and thus my height and appearance in extension, I just lose all desire to do so.
I know that this is mostly all in my head. And that this has become somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but this sucks. No shade to introverts but introversion isn’t for me as an attention-hungry person.
Due to taking a gap year, I have had so much time with just me and my thoughts alone, and still, I have yet to come to terms with my insecurities. All I want to do is to be confident and fearless and loud-spoken again. I am so sad.
im 5’5 and if i had the money i’ll definitely pay more then 50k
Hi everyone,
I’m a mama to two toddlers who are very, very small for their age. I know they might grow out of that, but I wanna be as prepared as possible to raise them to be happy and healthy people as they will likely be under 5’4.
As a short guy, what did your parents or what did you want your parents to do to help you be a happy and healthy individual?
I’m a 5’6 guy and I want to wear shoes that will make me taller but I don’t want to hide that the fact my shoes give me extra height. Elevator shoes seem cool but I’d rather wear shoes that don’t hide the extra height feature. I feel like hiding the fact the shoes make you taller is a bad idea for many reasons. (Mainly because having someone find out you lie about your height is super embarrassing)
So far, I really like the converse run star hike shoes because they give almost 2 inches of height because they are stylish and can be worn casually. I also like the Creeper Platform shoes; however, I’m not going to wear them because they have a goth aesthetic that wouldn’t match the rest of my outfit. (I’m not goth. I dress like your average white guy in college lol)
I’d greatly appreciate any shoe reccomendations.
I’m a girl that’s 14 turning 15 next year and is 5’1/2 at that age short for tall? I’ve been seeing a lot of people online saying it’s not short.
Everywhere I walk I feel like a giant too! I see 4’7 people walking back my view even the men are short and I’m sooo confused, I keep getting these comments from family member of friends of family members saying “WOW your getting tall!” Even though it’s been 2 years since I’ve seen them sometimes it’s less.
I’m confused asf rn, is being 5’1 and 2 not viewed at short anymore? Why is everyone shrinking.
Last week my girl admitted that she grew to love me as she would normally go for taller guys.. would you guys say that she settled for me. I'm 5'6?
I'm a 25 y/o male who thought I was super super ugly, because of never having any women talk to me or be interested in me ever. I've used dating websites here and there, and not once have had any luck... ever.. I'm 5'5 and it sucks. I honestly still do think that I must be pretty unattractive, because I just can't believe that my height is the only reason for never finding anyone. But after posting few pics of myself in reddit, i learned that I'm not as ugly as I thought I was. And so now I blame my height, for everything. Like I cant believe even the shorter women are not interested. lol. It freakin sucks man.
Edit: Thank you for the response, guys ! I was just feeling down and decided to vent a little, lol. So yes, my self-esteem is pretty bad lately because of this. I just feel really horrible about myself sometimes. And no, I'm not really ready for a relationship because of my self-esteem. I'm just seeing what's out their, and getting of sense of how it is. I need to work on myself before ever really dating. But it still hurts to know that my height really still affects me a lot.
I always read 5 7-5 10 is average and 5 5 and below is short. But no one ever says anything about 5 6.
Firstly I wanna say everyone has the right to have a preference to date including height. Now regarding my main point, it’s so often that I see women in real life just not give a shit about height. Yeah of course a lot of women do care about height but definitely not all of them. I feel like if most your interactions with women come from tinder or tiktok or places like that instead of the actual world then you’ll probably run into more women who prioritize superficial things such as height. Is it just me who thinks that isn’t as common in the real world like people on this sub make it out to be?
I'm looking to purchase dining room chairs where my feet touch the ground when I am sitting fully back against the chair. I understand this is dependent on a mix of seat height and seat depth. With an 18" seat height chair (standard), my feet can't be flat on the ground. Annoyingly, "seat height" isn't a filter on most websites. What chairs have you found that work for you?
spent years working on every aspect of my life, became good looking, confident, charismatic, funny, in shape, yet found out the other day that the most beautiful girl I know would have been with me, but the only thing stopping her was my height. Very frustrating that I have absolutely no control over it, and theres such a thin line between me attracting beatiful women and me being single, with purely platonic relationships with women and very little respect from a lot of them. none of the work mattered, none of my attractiveness mattered. Why bother?
I am 5’8 and I dont feel short if someone is not taller than 6’0.
This is a response to the "hot trending post" here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/short/comments/1ghzp0w/short_men_and_short_women/
I felt I had to make this thread because that post is gaining a lot of attention and people are swayed by that poster's standpoints because she ended her "reasonings" with:
"Btw, I'm a woman. I'm just not blind."
As if that is supposed to define how every short woman feels. I would even bet the woman who made that post is a 5'3 or above girl that doesn't have it as hard as someone who is 4'11 and below. And this is me SPEAKING as a woman who is entirely in disagreement with that other poster who claims she "is a woman and not blind" thus has some "right" to judge how ALL short women feel. No she does not. A 5'3 and above woman certainly has their disadvantages (I'm not even sure what the height of that other poster is, she never even states her height, which really makes me question what she's even DOING in this subreddit). But a 5'3 woman, or male for the matter, does not have to deal with many of the struggles faced by women 4'11 (or even 5'1) and below. Let me reclarify, I'm not saying they don't deal with struggles, I am speaking of the "struggles" someone 4'11 or below has to deal with ON TOP OF the struggles dealt with someone 5'3 and above. That is literally double the amount of hardships we have to put up with. And btw, I am 4'11. A shorter than average person on the female side, so yes, I do have a right to speak on this subject.
To further explain the subject line. The other's posters argument was that "shorter men have it worse than shorter women." First of all, that other poster isn't even short, as she never states her height herself, and doesn't once mention her "short struggles". So she can't argue for something that she has no experience or knowledge of. If we look at the average "short male" on the r/short and r/shortguys communities, you'll notice that a majority of the short males lie in the 5'3 to 5'7 range. There are even guys on there that claim their 5'9 height is short. Think about that. That says a lot. But let's take the average "short male" and now compare it to an average "short female". The shorter females in the r/short and r/ShortGirlProblems are in the 4'5 to 5'3 range. The gender is besides the point. The actual issue lies in the disadvantages of someone being a whole foot to half a feet shorter than the "shorter males." Do you all realize what that shorter height disadvantage does to a person? This is why I find myself constantly in disagreement with the users at the r/shortguys community because they'll always, and I mean always, use the excuse that "shorter women will always have it better because they can date unlike shorter men." This is an absolute BS statement and I can attest to that being a woman who has never dated nor was on the receiving end of being attracted by any of my male crushes or just men in general. In fact, I have even seen "shorter men" 5'4 make remarks about my height out in public. And yet these are the same "short men" who expect validation from women? You'll also be surprised that most of the short men in that community prefer taller women (usually in the 5'6ish range) as opposed to shorter women. So is that not... hypocritical in any way?
But let me explain the disadvantages. I'll compare myself to my 5'4 brother who inarguably fits in the category of "short men". He has been in dozens of arranged dates, has gotten rejected by most, yet has several women in his workplace and college who've expressed romantic interest in him. I am a 4'11 female, been in zero dates and never once had a man approach me or expressed interest in me. Do I consider that as a disadvantage, since that's what most of the men in r/shortguys argue for? No. I do not. It has caused me tremendous mental harm to be seen as an "unwanted" person. But I'll tell you what does cause me more harm as a shorter person. The physical factors, on top of the mental. The physical factors? Many. How do you think it feels to be someone that's 4'11? Well, every "normal" activity becomes a chore. And when something becomes a "chore" it means you have to put in extra effort just to get the task done. This is not a "problem" faced by people 5'4 in height. An example: washing dishes. The countertops are at the height of my chest. This causes me to scrub dishes at a very awkward and uncomfortable angle, to where it feels like the dishes are at eye-level, resulting in both arm and eye strain. This would have not been a "problem" nor struggle had I acquired 5 more inches to be at the height of someone 5'4 and gotten the task done in a breeze. But rather, I'm forced to struggle with it because I'm 5 inches shorter?
Another example: going shopping. This is seen as a leisure activity, and yet as a short person, it's seen as a chore. Imagine: what's seen as a "leisure activity" becomes a disadvantaged person's second job. Example: I'm at the same height of a grocery cart so I have to strenuously use every last energy of my body just to push the cart and turn it at an angle, appearing as a laughingstock to other customers and employees in the store. Not to mention carrying groceries becomes a problem as my legs are so short and my bones much thinner and weaker, that my grocery bags drag on the floor damaging my groceries, alongside taking a huge toll on my body weight. Driving cars becomes dangerous. A shorter person has a smaller waistline and leg-length, giving them more time on the road to stretch just to see their blindspots or not push the accelerator/break peddle on time which can result in an accident. This list goes on. Now does a 5'4 person face these same issues? Mostly they don't. The "only" issue they seem to face is with dating and of course the bullying, which btw, we shorter women face as well. We even face that same kind of "rejection and height bullying" by the 5'4 males btw, which I find ironic.
I'm not going to further extend this, but also felt the need to include s*xual assault. I've been s*xually abused by a male relative who has never done the same to my short 5'4 brother. The man in question is 5'3 himself, and believed he could assert his dominance over a woman less advantaged than him at 4'11. It's another issue to delve into, but I know you all don't want to read this as this post was long enough.
TL;DR: Know this post was long, but had to call out an obviously biased (and invalid) poster about a topic she has zero knowledge of. Feel free to share your perspectives on this.
I think most if not all of my male friends and cousins are taller than their fathers.
In my case is the opposite. My dad is shorter than his father. I am technically the same height as my father, but considering the average height of our generation, I think I am shorter compared to my generation than him to his generation.
What about you guys?
Let's say my feet are broken and they need to be amputated, which means I need to start wearing prosthetic feet. If I have a prosthetic foot, can I adjust it to the length I want?
Today I was walking in the city centre of my city and saw a celebrity walking past me. He was not as tall as he is on screen (looked bulky) when I looked at his feet he was wearing black boots of sort which I could not clearly figure out what they were but easily gave him 1.5-2 inches. So what stylish black winter boots/shoes can you recommend for extra height?
So I’m meeting a woman later, older chick(she’s like 20 years older), and so far she seems excited but I don’t think she knows my height. This is kind of those “damn if you do damn if you don’t” situations but I would rather not waste our time. How do I ask or tell her with sounding insecure?
I’m 5'2" and never saw my height as an issue. It never mattered to me if a guy was tall or short. Yes, I’ve had tall men show interest in me, but it wasn’t something I focused on.
Then I started dating this toxic, avoidant guy. One day, I decided to look at who he followed on Instagram, and it was mostly tall, model-like women—5'8", 5'10", and taller. It hit me that I wasn’t his type. Ironically, he wasn’t even 6'0" himself—just average height. But shallow people are shallow about everything: height, income, where you live… He was a prime example.
After that, I became fixated. I started questioning my own height, comparing myself to those tall, long-legged women. I even looked up statistics, which suggested that men might prefer shorter women for dating but seek taller women for marriage. It took a long time to shake that insecurity.
Now, I’m dating a guy who’s around 5'4", and he treats me like a queen. The only time I even think about his height is when I remember that arrogant ex and wonder, What was I even worried about? The labels of 'short' and 'tall' only have power because of people who judge others so superficially.
So, this is just to say: short women can face discrimination based on height too. But there are so many 10/10 guys who happen to be “short.” What’s truly disappointing are short men who will only date tall women, potentially missing out on amazing people over a few inches. Like, really?
Society tells men it's not okay to be short.
Society tells women it's okay to be short.
All the issues women have with being short, men have those same issues, but worse because society dictated it's okay to look down on them both figuratively and literally.
Imagine being a man who is 2 standard deviations below normal height. Now imagine being a woman who is 2 standard deviations below normal height. Which has it worse? If you say woman, you are absolutely delusional.
Acknowledging that short men have it worse is an objective truth and is not invalidating short women. It's just fact.
Btw, I'm a woman. I'm just not blind.
To begin off. I am not trying to discredit anyone's experience with having been rejected due to being too short.
Anyways, I'm 4'11 and I'm 18F. There was a guy I was talking to online who claimed to be 5'11 20M. It was nice, we were talking about some of our common interests and there was overall a friendly atmosphere. Out of nowhere, he asked about my height. I gave it, and in return he told me he was 5'11. Without a word from me, completely unprompted, he started talking about men like him who are under 6ft are vermin to society. I was kind of stunned, unsure how to respond because what the heck am I supposed to say to that? When he was done, I just kind of said something like, "well I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't think 5'11 is short but either way you are what you are." He didn't really react to that post and we got back to talking about our interests, and eventually the conversation and the connection just died.
Turns out, this isn't even a rare occurrence. My friends have all reported similar instances, some of my friends are quite tall and have been interested in men shorter than them, but the men they're interested in end up self sabotaging by complaining about how 'women never want to date them because they're oh so short' when a girl is right there trying to.
Another thing I noticed is as a short girl, short men aren't typically interested in me. Which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own preferences. Side note here, there was a guy who was really tall that I know of but he never had a girlfriend, or any woman interested in him because his personality was straight up horrible. Anyways, all the men who have shown interest in me have been taller than average to just, really, really tall. Looking through this sub reddit, and from the shorter men I know, most of them are exclusively interested in taller women.
Which then brings the question, if you can exclusively have a preference for those who are taller than you, why can't women? Of course, you may claim that the way women go about it is dehumanising, it makes you feel bad. But the way men talk about women has never been any better either. If you were tall and still couldn't get a girl, would you blame it on not having enough money? I'm not trying to discredit the experiences that have made you feel insecure. But the persistent victimisation in this sub reddit is tiring, and it's not benefitting anyone. At what point does it stop? If you want a girlfriend, maybe start working with what you have, and instead of just working on yourself physically, why don't you work on yourself mentally too? Because do you really just want to be tall so you can be able to conform to this shallow dating culture you talk shit about and match with someone who only likes you now because of your height, or do you really want a connection? You're going to be with a person, not a painting you can admire and vice versa.
At the end of the day, you are of course allowed to feel insecure. That's natural, that's part of being human. But when you let your insecurity fester and swallow up your entire identity and life as a result, then you start to become hollow. Working on yourself mentally would not just benefit your dating life, but you as a person too. Please, learn how to decenter your appearance and stop putting other people's perception and validation of you on a pedestal. Life is more than this rush to be partnered up and validated by someone else.
I don't say any of this to be mean, and I hope it doesn't come off that way too.
whenever i see a short girl on tiktok complaining about her height, the comment section is full of “pick me” “what about short men” “imagine how tall girls feel” i’ve even seen this irl