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A place to discuss all things rowing! Please keep the discussion civil and centered on rowing. Erg screen posts and form check videos should go in the weekly pinned threads.

Welcome to /r/Rowing!

First, a few resources so they don't get buried:


The single most commonly posted question/discussion: I'm thinking of buying an indoor rowing machine. What should I buy?

This or a variant of it is the THE most common, repeated topic of this sub-Reddit. Before you post, read this: Erg Shaped Objects (ESOs)

Your post will be locked if it's clearly addressed in the above discussion.

TL;DR: Concept2 is the gold standard and despite supply chain issues with the pandemic, you can get one in under a week if you put in some effort. Rogue Fitness USA & Canada gets new stock once or twice a week, usually 150-250 rowers at a time. They sell out in about 45 minutes.


If you want a Concept2 Model D, follow /u/lyothan's advice (here) to use a page monitoring site: https://visualping.io/


Other machines of value: legit "WaterRower brand" water tank rowers, RowPerfect RP3, Oartec DX and Slider, older Concept2 Model C, possibly Model B. See the ESO post for more.


I'm trying to improve my erg times. How do?

"You do not rise to the level of your goals. You fall to the level of your systems." - James Clear

First, get your form down.

  • Row Australia has GREAT videos on technique and setup:

  • And C2's video is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWu1yuJ0_g&feature=emb_title

  • Dark Horse Rowing's YouTube channel is a great resource with videos that demonstrate proper rower setup and technique and more advanced workout videos.

  • Use the force curve on the Concept2 PM3, PM4, or PM5 as a feedback tool on form: https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/training/tips-and-general-info/using-the-force-curve

    We have a weekly, judgement-free form critique thread where you can post a video if you'd like feedback. We STRONGLY suggest using a tripod-type selfie stick at about shoulder height, 90-degrees to the side with the full slide in view so we can clearly see your entire technique. Don't move the camera - this isn't a dynamic artsy video, it's a technical one. (the Row Australia videos linked above are good guides)

    Have a plan.

    The Concept2 workout of the day is a good start, as is the Pete Plan for Beginners. (skip the optional workouts in square brackets) You'll eventually be thinking things are too easy - then you can add intensity, duration, or volume. (and that could take months)

    Steady State Results: 2 months in. The Hype is REAL!

    Use tools to help track progress automatically.

    Use an app that syncs to the Concept2 online logbook so you can track progress. ErgData, ASensei, ErgZone, and KREW all do that and present data differently. ErgData is the most basic (freebie from C2) where the others offer built in guided workouts and premium subscription options. (links below)


    What's a drag factor?

    The lever on the side of the fan of a Concept2 rower changes how much air is allowed in/out of the fan assembly and affects how quickly it slows. Rowing is a cardiovascular exercise, not weightlifting. A common mistake is setting drag too high.

    Credit to RowPerfect UK for their comprehensive article on drag factor (which you should read), we're cribbing some recommendations:

    C2 Drag Factor for Children

    • Year 7 – below 100 to 100 (girls & boys) (use the speed strap to go below 100)

    • Year 8 – 100 (girls) 110 (boys)

    • Year 9 – 105 (girls) 115 (boys)

    • Year 10 – 110-115 (girls) 120-125 (boys)

    C2 Drag Factor for Adults

    • Male heavyweight (over 75 kg) – 125-140

    • Male lightweight (under 75 kg) – 120-135

    • Female heavyweight (over 61.5 kg) – 120-130

    • Female lightweight (under 61.5 kg) – 115-125

    There is specific advice for Masters Rowers C2 Drag Factors

    To give masters specific rowers parameters for setting the drag factor, I asked various masters and coaches to share their experiences. Here’s what I learned. A 45+ male lightweight rower told me he rows with a drag of 115-120. He used to row around 130, but as he ages, he’s discovered that he has to watch the stress he puts on his back. A 35+ lightweight male told me he likes to row with low resistance of 100 because it feels more like being on the water and is easier on his back. A 60+ lightweight woman rows between 100 and 110, and a 50+ heavyweight woman rows at 120.

    Further reading/watching:


    Connected Apps

    Erging is great for physical fitness and it's low-impact once you determine optimal drag factor and get your form right. Unlike cycling, however, your hands aren't free to poke at things like tablets, phones, newspapers so using connected apps helps pass time and make it more engaging.

    /u/gigimarie90 was kind enough to post a review of several rowing-centric fitness services, here:

    Questions about virtual rowing class options? Here are my thoughts!

    ...and here are links to most of the available erging apps:

    • ErgData by Concept2, for Android & iOS - the most BASIC but functional app, acts as a second data-screen, giving you the option to display more and different data fields from those on the PM3/PM4/PM5, and displays live drag factor. Syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • ErgRace Online by Concept2, for Android & iOS - live, online, multi-user lane racing. Feel free to organize your races right here on /r/Rowing - one person needs to host and others join with a code.

    • EXR Rowing - in beta but available for iOS, Android, and PC. syncs with Concept2 online logbook, as well as Strava. Graphics have been upgraded, it features structured workouts, challenges, and seems poised to become "Zwift for rowers."

    • KREW (Android) - guided workouts, auto-programs the PM5, free, subscription service adds audio feedback and a few other features, syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • ASensei (iOS) - similar to KREW, syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • Regatta (iOS) - subscription service that seems like an alternative to closed ecosystems like Peloton or iFit, syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • ErgZone (Android, iOS), syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • Kinomap - actual video footage of rows. (Android, iOS) - can be cast to a big screen or used on a tablet or smartphone.

    • CityRow Go - think "spin class but with rowers", supports the WaterRower with comm module as well as Concept2 PM5s running three-digit firmware. (green logo)

    • ErgMonkey - Analytics platform.

    • Float - iOS and Android, detailed stroke analysis.

    • ErgWorld - web-based online racing. Massive caveat: CPU requirements grow exponentially as you add rowers. (someone joked that if you have more than two people trying to connect, it would melt a Cray supercomputer)

    • Zwift rowing is dead. (though you can hack it to work, with your avatar being on a bike)

    More apps: https://www.concept2.com/service/software/apps

    Putting a phone in a cradle on top of the performance monitor is the cheapest way to add some interactivity. If you have a bit more money to invest a TV or even a thrift store LCD monitor with an AppleTV on the back attached via some kind of mounting arm or a separate stand would give you a bigger screen experience for the apps above.

    Concept2 sells a plastic phone cradle that fits the PM3, PM4 and PM5. There are 3D printed options, and Vapor Fitness makes a reinforced silicone cradle in several colours that fits the PM5.

    God-Tier Coxing (NSFW language)

    Top comment sums it up: "This makes me want to run through a brick wall."

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Rowing/comments/aues8c/just_a_friendly_reminder_to_the_coxswains_that/

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    Smart watch suggestions

    I'm looking to buy a good smartwatch, focusing more on OTW rowing (since I just use the ergdata app for erging), since I'm not too comfortable taking my phone into the boat.

    I've read a lot about how Garmin is the best watch for rowing, and I was looking at the Vivoactive 5 because that seems to be within my budget.

    However I also did a little more research into Coros watches and I thought the Coros Pace 3 and Apex 2 seemed pretty economical for where I live, and tracked the same if not more metrics than the Vivoactive. (I'm currently leaning more towards the Apex 2)

    Just wanted to get some more feedback from rowers here before I make a decision! Thanks in advance.

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    2024/12/20
    17:31 UTC

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    Is 4:02 1k good as an 13 year old?

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    2024/12/20
    16:29 UTC

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    10 km feedback

    10.02 km in 34:50 minutes. Rowing for 17 months, on average four times a week. Male, 34, 73kg, 1.80 cm.

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    2024/12/20
    15:12 UTC

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    How recruitable am I?

    I am a 17 year old from Europe with international racing experience at the U19 Europeans in the single. I rowed a 6:19 2k and a 20:38 6k this year, but I fear that I am too small at 6ft 166lbs. How high should I be aiming?

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    2024/12/20
    14:13 UTC

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    Rate the plan

    I have nothing better to do and I want to maximise my time to improve the 2k(summer break), understand ppl don’t really care about these posts but I wanna know if this is the best use of my time or if I can make it better. Thanks 🙏

    Info: I’m a decent hs rower, I have no friends so next 4 weeks are free, I am struggling with keeping high rate and sprinting at the end of 2k, and bad mobility. 2 sessions a day except Sunday is 1 SS session.

    Intervals 2-3x: 2 tough ones, 1 “easy” session (aim to rate high)

    Heavy weights 2x: Back squat, deadlift and all the rest

    Lighter weights 1x: Same routine it just excludes exercises that pressure my back.

    SS everyday: 2h bike or 60-90min erg

    Core + stretch everyday

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    2024/12/20
    13:51 UTC

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    10k feedback

    PR’d my 10k row today. I need to get video to post sometime, but judging off of 2k splits, 500m pace, and stroke rate - how is this? I’ve never received actual coaching on rowing technique or anything, just some YouTube videos. I’m 6’3”, about 255 lbs.

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    2024/12/20
    13:46 UTC

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    Oxford college rankings

    Any of those rowers at Oxford able to shed some light on who’s going to be quick this year? I (M) will be at Oxford starting Sept. 2025 and have applied to Keble. Curious how different crews are shaping out and whose M1s have a good shot to be top 5 over the next 1-2 years. Cheers!

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    2024/12/20
    12:57 UTC

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    My heart is bleeding

    So in my hometown McFit Gym they threw two totally fine working Concept two ergs along with other old cardio machines in a garbage container. They replaced them with three Matrix rowing ergs. They suck by the way... iam sad.

    3 Comments
    2024/12/20
    04:42 UTC

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    Holiday Season 6k

    177,023m of 200,000m Christmas Holiday Challenge! 🎄💯

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    2024/12/20
    07:29 UTC

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    how fast should I want to be by the end of the year?

    15, sophomore, 160 lbs

    7 Comments
    2024/12/20
    04:41 UTC

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    Why is my C2 at home so slow

    I purchased a Concept 2 over the summer and for some reason the splits on my erg are super slow relative to the ergs used at my high school club last year and the ones on my college team this year. I called Concept 2 and they made me check the drag factor settings (which they said were okay), and I keep it pretty well maintained. I promise that this isn't psychological: I have to SS at a 2:06 to have the same heart rate I would have steady stating at 1:59 on another erg, and my peak power on this erg is 1:15 (around 800 watts) while my peak power on other ergs is closer to 1:11 (978 watts). This disparity is also reflected when I try to do 2K or 6K pace work. Has anyone else experienced this problem, and if so, what should I do?

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    2024/12/20
    03:24 UTC

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    2k help

    Did an 8 by 500 peice with a 2 min rest (may be longer idk fs) below is my pacing. How shld I go into the 2k tmrw and what shld my avg be? Avg: 2:06.3 i. 2:08.7 (Went lighter than I should've) ii. 2:05.3 iii. 2:06.1 IV. 2:05.5 V. 2:06.2 vi. 2:05.3 vii. 2:06.4 viii. 2:06.5

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    2024/12/20
    02:05 UTC

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    20-Minute Workout for Rowers – No Equipment Needed

    Away for the Christmas period and don't have your Erg? Follow this simple and short workout.

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    2024/12/19
    23:28 UTC

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    OTW trend part 5

    Rowing in Seattle is not for the weak. Rowing with your friend makes it easier though. Go outside with your friends! (Video was taken a couple of hours ago)

    6 Comments
    2024/12/19
    22:51 UTC

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    Panic Attack Problems during pieces

    I am in my freshman year of rowing and I am 5 6 115 lbs. In my past few pieces I have been having panic attacks for example during my 12x250m I started by pulling around a 201 split on avg but around my 6th I started having the panic attack. I felt like my throat was closing and my splits dropped by like 15 secs.

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    2024/12/19
    22:25 UTC

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    Exercises for stroke length

    I erged next to a mirror for the first time in a long time recently, and I noticed that I am just plainly not reaching full compression at the catch. It is not easy for me to tell where my length is going. I'm 6'1/185cm and my stroke length ranges anywhere from ~117cm at the lowest to ~132cm at the absolute highest, both on a Concept2 and an RP3. When I erg next to other people that have their stroke length on display, I row with the same amount of length as people who are much shorter than me. Up until now, I've always attributed it to poor calf mobility (which I've been working on for a while), but when I was erging with the mirror, I realized that whether or not my heels were in contact with the footplate at the catch made no difference to my stroke length. Does anything immediately come to mind for any of you, or should I provide pictures/video to try to figure out the issue? I'll continue working on my calf mobility for the sake of my squat form, but I feel like it is not the only issue I'm having with my rowing technique. I've tried asking coaches about it in the past, but I've been brushed off, given information that didn't help me, or told to "pay attention to your own monitor."

    14 Comments
    2024/12/19
    18:33 UTC

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    2k pr sophomore 6’0 175

    I did this 2k a while back, how good is it for scholastic rowing?

    8 Comments
    2024/12/19
    17:13 UTC

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    Documenting a 2k Improvement Plan: It's Over Already

    The plan started at 1000m at 1:50 (my goal pace for a 2k) on day 1 and added 50 meters a day, all the way up to 2000m. I did the first 5 days up to 1200m, and already felt confident enough to try the 2k again. Hit my goal time down to the tenth of a second. 12 second PR achieved, from 7:32 -> 7:20! Thanks for the idea u/Specific-Rise2527

    It seems obvious I was being held back by lack of confidence and mental toughness, not fitness or strength. The day I did the 2k would have been the 1250m day, so the first 1250m was mentally quite easy, and I was only really hurting from 750m left through ~300m left.

    The plan was a good confidence builder and got me comfortable at race pace/rate. It's hard to overstate the value of that confidence for this piece. Anyway, I intend to do it again sometime in the new year, targeting a 1:47 pace, but next time I will try for 100m increments, and plan to get to 1500m before going for the 2k. For now back to the typical strenth training and wolverine plan.

    Sorry to all the OTW folks, but here's a link with 6 erg screens (sorry for the dirty monitor, I cleaned it off before the 2k):

    https://imgur.com/a/W6IzkgU

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    2024/12/19
    15:10 UTC

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    UK university womens rowing programs

    I am looking to take a year and row at a UK university and get my masters in business, after rowing womens D1 in the US for the past four years. I want to go to a fast program that has winning potential, can anyone give me any insight into UK rankings on the womens side? Where does Brookes fall for women? Are they as dominant as they are on the mens side?

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    2024/12/19
    13:24 UTC

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    Just used the Concept II for the first time.

    Did my first workout on Apple fitness+ 20 min session. Obviously I have a lot to learn but didn’t seem to difficult. I had some sweat dripping but not as much if I was on my bike. It was enjoyable.

    How do I make it harder? The fly wheel has a turn dial that goes 1-10 (I think). Is 10 hardest and 1 easiest? I was expecting more of an upper body workout too. I know that the legs do 60% of the work and the core does 30% and the arms do the last 10% and I feel that’s what I got. With that said my heart rate was about 125 which is high for me. An indoor bike, outdoor run or a HIIT exercise can get it up to 145 - 150.

    Am I doing this right? Am I doing this wrong? I am a heavy sweater and was surprised at how little sweat was pouring out of me.

    Let me know your thoughts. I know there is limited info. But just looking for general advise/pointers.

    Edit: Thanks for all of the reply and input. I’ll try to record my stroke and compare it to some with knowledge of what they are doing. I appreciate the feedback and not kicking my butt for not knowing what I’m doing yet.

    34 Comments
    2024/12/19
    14:26 UTC

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    Used rower

    Hi All,

    I’ve been offered a waterrower S4 and 40-% retail cost. It’s ten years old though with 7500km on clock. Otherwise, In great condition and manual and pump available. Do you think this is too expensive and risky given age of rower (thinking tank seal/risk potential) ? Not sure whether to just save a bit more and go for a C2 given metrics appear to be more accurate (from what I read). The sound is mainly what attracts me to the waterrower…thanks!

    3 Comments
    2024/12/19
    13:19 UTC

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    Undergrad Research Opportunity

    I will be applying for the STAR Scholars program at Drexel University, which would allow me to perform faculty-mentored research. I will be studying Exercise Science.

    It is my understanding that there is more research that has been done on other endurance sports (running, cycling) as opposed to rowing. I am looking for any ideas on topics that people believe should be more heavily studied. I, being 17, have only read so much literature, thus my post. I am passionate about performance and would really like this opportunity, any help is appreciated.

    15 Comments
    2024/12/19
    12:54 UTC

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    Issue With Erg Slides

    More recently, I noticed that my seat has a lot higher tendency to become more "bumpier" (iywim). I also noticed that even when i get off the seat, the seat sounds bumpy, like it sort of skips, and no amount of cleaning with glass cleaner can resolve this. It doesn't necessarily impede my ability to row, but it is unbearable to experience a bumpy seat in the middle of a 20k ss. I looked closer at the slides itself and noticed a bunch of small surface level cracks, which I fear came from my use of Pino Sol to clean up the slide. Can i easily fix this at home, or should i contact c2? I have been rowing on this machine for 1 ywar, and i have encountered bumpiness here and there after a few concsecutive session, but it became way more often now.

    5 Comments
    2024/12/19
    12:09 UTC

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    Oceania Teams Rowing Championships?

    Does anyone have any info on this new regatta? Theres a vague instrgram page for it, apparently its the u22 regatta, for some reason they are being very cryptic about it " get us to 100 followers and we will tell you when it is".

    I only know about it because rowing WA shared their insta story. My contact at rowing WA has never heard about it as well as my contact at Rowing Australia. The only person that knows anything about it is a friend from Tas that's only seen the insta page.

    I get building up hype for something but if this goes ahead athletes and coaches need to know in when and where the regatta is as soon as possible, holding it to get instagram clout just seems really unprofessional.

    6 Comments
    2024/12/19
    10:58 UTC

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    All I have is a Planet Fitness Erg… Please Help

    Hi everyone,

    For winter break, all I have access to is one of those planet fitness ergs. Does anyone know how I might be able to adjust it, like the drag and all to feel like a concept2. I want to do erg workouts and idk if they will be as effective on this.

    7 Comments
    2024/12/19
    01:26 UTC

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    OTW

    old video of my double. Been working on the catch and entering in. Last few months have gotten better but coaches rarely record us

    8 Comments
    2024/12/19
    01:09 UTC

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    OTW - czech club champs winning U17 8+ in this years Primátorky race final

    2 Comments
    2024/12/18
    19:16 UTC

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    Erg workouts for winter season

    Hey, I’m looking for any workouts to do for this winter season because I’m in between rowing season and I still wanna get some rowing done. I’m 140lbs 6ft if not just under I just did my first 2k last week and got a 7:12 a time I’m pretty proud of but I’m honestly not to sure where to go right now to improve

    2 Comments
    2024/12/18
    18:55 UTC

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