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A place to discuss all things rowing! Please keep the discussion civil and centered on rowing. Erg screen posts and form check videos should go in the weekly pinned threads.

Welcome to /r/Rowing!

First, a few resources so they don't get buried:


The single most commonly posted question/discussion: I'm thinking of buying an indoor rowing machine. What should I buy?

This or a variant of it is the THE most common, repeated topic of this sub-Reddit. Before you post, read this: Erg Shaped Objects (ESOs)

Your post will be locked if it's clearly addressed in the above discussion.

TL;DR: Concept2 is the gold standard and despite supply chain issues with the pandemic, you can get one in under a week if you put in some effort. Rogue Fitness USA & Canada gets new stock once or twice a week, usually 150-250 rowers at a time. They sell out in about 45 minutes.


If you want a Concept2 Model D, follow /u/lyothan's advice (here) to use a page monitoring site: https://visualping.io/


Other machines of value: legit "WaterRower brand" water tank rowers, RowPerfect RP3, Oartec DX and Slider, older Concept2 Model C, possibly Model B. See the ESO post for more.


I'm trying to improve my erg times. How do?

"You do not rise to the level of your goals. You fall to the level of your systems." - James Clear

First, get your form down.

  • Row Australia has GREAT videos on technique and setup:

  • And C2's video is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWu1yuJ0_g&feature=emb_title

  • Dark Horse Rowing's YouTube channel is a great resource with videos that demonstrate proper rower setup and technique and more advanced workout videos.

  • Use the force curve on the Concept2 PM3, PM4, or PM5 as a feedback tool on form: https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/training/tips-and-general-info/using-the-force-curve

    We have a weekly, judgement-free form critique thread where you can post a video if you'd like feedback. We STRONGLY suggest using a tripod-type selfie stick at about shoulder height, 90-degrees to the side with the full slide in view so we can clearly see your entire technique. Don't move the camera - this isn't a dynamic artsy video, it's a technical one. (the Row Australia videos linked above are good guides)

    Have a plan.

    The Concept2 workout of the day is a good start, as is the Pete Plan for Beginners. (skip the optional workouts in square brackets) You'll eventually be thinking things are too easy - then you can add intensity, duration, or volume. (and that could take months)

    Steady State Results: 2 months in. The Hype is REAL!

    Use tools to help track progress automatically.

    Use an app that syncs to the Concept2 online logbook so you can track progress. ErgData, ASensei, ErgZone, and KREW all do that and present data differently. ErgData is the most basic (freebie from C2) where the others offer built in guided workouts and premium subscription options. (links below)


    What's a drag factor?

    The lever on the side of the fan of a Concept2 rower changes how much air is allowed in/out of the fan assembly and affects how quickly it slows. Rowing is a cardiovascular exercise, not weightlifting. A common mistake is setting drag too high.

    Credit to RowPerfect UK for their comprehensive article on drag factor (which you should read), we're cribbing some recommendations:

    C2 Drag Factor for Children

    • Year 7 – below 100 to 100 (girls & boys) (use the speed strap to go below 100)

    • Year 8 – 100 (girls) 110 (boys)

    • Year 9 – 105 (girls) 115 (boys)

    • Year 10 – 110-115 (girls) 120-125 (boys)

    C2 Drag Factor for Adults

    • Male heavyweight (over 75 kg) – 125-140

    • Male lightweight (under 75 kg) – 120-135

    • Female heavyweight (over 61.5 kg) – 120-130

    • Female lightweight (under 61.5 kg) – 115-125

    There is specific advice for Masters Rowers C2 Drag Factors

    To give masters specific rowers parameters for setting the drag factor, I asked various masters and coaches to share their experiences. Here’s what I learned. A 45+ male lightweight rower told me he rows with a drag of 115-120. He used to row around 130, but as he ages, he’s discovered that he has to watch the stress he puts on his back. A 35+ lightweight male told me he likes to row with low resistance of 100 because it feels more like being on the water and is easier on his back. A 60+ lightweight woman rows between 100 and 110, and a 50+ heavyweight woman rows at 120.

    Further reading/watching:


    Connected Apps

    Erging is great for physical fitness and it's low-impact once you determine optimal drag factor and get your form right. Unlike cycling, however, your hands aren't free to poke at things like tablets, phones, newspapers so using connected apps helps pass time and make it more engaging.

    /u/gigimarie90 was kind enough to post a review of several rowing-centric fitness services, here:

    Questions about virtual rowing class options? Here are my thoughts!

    ...and here are links to most of the available erging apps:

    • ErgData by Concept2, for Android & iOS - the most BASIC but functional app, acts as a second data-screen, giving you the option to display more and different data fields from those on the PM3/PM4/PM5, and displays live drag factor. Syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • ErgRace Online by Concept2, for Android & iOS - live, online, multi-user lane racing. Feel free to organize your races right here on /r/Rowing - one person needs to host and others join with a code.

    • EXR Rowing - in beta but available for iOS, Android, and PC. syncs with Concept2 online logbook, as well as Strava. Graphics have been upgraded, it features structured workouts, challenges, and seems poised to become "Zwift for rowers."

    • KREW (Android) - guided workouts, auto-programs the PM5, free, subscription service adds audio feedback and a few other features, syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • ASensei (iOS) - similar to KREW, syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • Regatta (iOS) - subscription service that seems like an alternative to closed ecosystems like Peloton or iFit, syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • ErgZone (Android, iOS), syncs with Concept2 online logbook.

    • Kinomap - actual video footage of rows. (Android, iOS) - can be cast to a big screen or used on a tablet or smartphone.

    • CityRow Go - think "spin class but with rowers", supports the WaterRower with comm module as well as Concept2 PM5s running three-digit firmware. (green logo)

    • ErgMonkey - Analytics platform.

    • Float - iOS and Android, detailed stroke analysis.

    • ErgWorld - web-based online racing. Massive caveat: CPU requirements grow exponentially as you add rowers. (someone joked that if you have more than two people trying to connect, it would melt a Cray supercomputer)

    • Zwift rowing is dead. (though you can hack it to work, with your avatar being on a bike)

    More apps: https://www.concept2.com/service/software/apps

    Putting a phone in a cradle on top of the performance monitor is the cheapest way to add some interactivity. If you have a bit more money to invest a TV or even a thrift store LCD monitor with an AppleTV on the back attached via some kind of mounting arm or a separate stand would give you a bigger screen experience for the apps above.

    Concept2 sells a plastic phone cradle that fits the PM3, PM4 and PM5. There are 3D printed options, and Vapor Fitness makes a reinforced silicone cradle in several colours that fits the PM5.

    God-Tier Coxing (NSFW language)

    Top comment sums it up: "This makes me want to run through a brick wall."

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Rowing/comments/aues8c/just_a_friendly_reminder_to_the_coxswains_that/

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    Coaches!!!

    I am developing a platform that connects coaches with athletes.

    What are some struggles people have with connecting with new athletes and finding new clients?

    I would be very grateful for any information!

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    2024/11/14
    13:33 UTC

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    Million Meters Record Attempts

    Hi everyone,

    Fairly new to Erging still but wanted to hear some opinions from people a lot more experienced on this matter. Basically, I’ve done a couple longer rows recently to raise money for charity (62k, 100k) and I’ve found it to be an awesome way to engage my local community, people really get behind it and want to donate for the cause.

    As I continue to look at longer and longer distances, I was wondering if anybody knew of any good coaches or plans online that catered towards training for ultra distances? I’d love to do a million metre attempt (currently preparing for a 24hr next year) in a couple years time but I’m still so inexperienced I really want to find a training guide or coach who knows how to prepare for this sort of thing.

    EDIT: I’m aware that the million metres is a multi-day endurance event, more so if anyone is experienced or knows of plans which help develop appropriate endurance for an event like that

    Any advice welcome, cheers.

    10 Comments
    2024/11/14
    12:17 UTC

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    How to compare workouts?

    Lets say one day I have 60min 150W steady state.

    Next day I have 30min 200W interval workout.

    I want a formula that takes into account both duration and intensity. Simple multiplication (W = F * S) does not seem to be appropriate. Rowing 2k all out is much more demanding and requires more rest afterwards than 4 hour steady state. So, 2k all out should be "more" than 4hour steady state.

    I want to track the WORK done - to create graphs and track progress. As in "increase by 10% a week" - increasing only time obviously not exactly what I need. Increasing watts? Same. Am I missing something obvious?

    5 Comments
    2024/11/14
    11:49 UTC

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    UT2 time split up

    Is there a difference if I do 60' straight on the erg or if i break it up into 3x20' or 4x15' (with 2min rest in between)?

    2 Comments
    2024/11/14
    04:41 UTC

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    How to improve endurance outside of erging

    Erg 5-6 times a week at winter practice and workout 6 a week. How can I improve endurance most optimally, especially to lower 2k times drastically

    7 Comments
    2024/11/14
    04:24 UTC

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    Watts or splits for the ergo?

    Which option best describes how you like to see your power when you're erging?

    I'm curious to see what people use. I have recently switched to 100% watts for everything; most of my club uses 100% splits, but increasingly more people are using watts for easy stuff and splits for tests.

    View Poll

    9 Comments
    2024/11/14
    03:20 UTC

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    Three weeks out from 2k test. How should I train?

    Hi. I am currently three weeks out from an important 2k test. I have been training on the erg two times a week for the past three/four weeks. One of the sessions is Zone 2/low intensity 2 x 20 min. The other is a Zone 4/high intensity either 4 x 4 min, 3 x 6 min or 4 x 6 min. I am looking to add two additional weekly sessions. What should they look like to ensure I am in the best shape possible for my test? Thanks!

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    2024/11/13
    10:44 UTC

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    Harvard Heavies HOCR 2024

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    2024/11/13
    21:22 UTC

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    Unorthodox improvement techniques?

    For context: I go to an Ivy League school and I’m on the men’s heavyweight team. Male, 6’3, 205 lbs. Current 2k pr is 6:08. I feel like I’m at my genetic limit, which sucks because my Olympian teammates are getting ~6, sub 6 2k times. I’ve talked to my coach, other staff, etc. and all I hear is keep doing steady state and the regular same old same old. However, I’ve been rowing my entire life and I’ve done steady state (practically) every day since sophomore year of prep school. Does anyone have any unorthodox things they’ve done to cut down their 2k times??

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    2024/11/13
    19:53 UTC

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    Aviron rower not providing resistance during the drive?

    Hello all, hoping to get a little assistance with the start of my rowing journey. I just bought an aviron rower off of Facebook marketplace, and it seems to be functioning strangely to me. I am by no means an expert on rowing, so I'm hoping to get some insight into whether what is occurring is normal, or if I myself am doing something wrong or if there may be something wrong with my machine itself.

    What is happening is that my machine seems to provide little to no resistance during the drive step of my row. I push with my legs while keeping my arms extended, and I fly backwards so easily without the fan making any noise. Once my legs are fully extended, I pull with my arms and only then does the machine make the noise I expect from the resistance. This is causing my arms to get exhausted very fast, way before I am close to getting much cardio. I understand that my arms are probably extremely weak, but it seems like there is almost no workout being provided to my legs or core at all, and that this is only going to beef up my arms.

    Does anyone have any insight into what I may be doing wrong, or if there is something I can adjust/fix with the rower to change how early the resistance is engaged? Thank you in advance for any help!!

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    2024/11/13
    19:16 UTC

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    If my 2K time is 7:51 right now, what should I aim for next and how should I achieve that?

    (This was brought down from 8:49)

    7 Comments
    2024/11/13
    18:59 UTC

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    Is it possible to add more tension on the machine ?

    I have a stamina rower ( 1110 magnetic ) (Ik I cheaped out) but the resistance isn’t too hard anymore even after minutes of rowing and Ik it’s not supposed to to be super hard either. But my question is. Is it possible to replace the return spring for one that has more tension to make it have more resistance. Or is it a bad idea. Another idea I had was maybe to cut the spring a bit then hook it back on to make it shorter basically. Would that add more tension? Has anyone ever either of those things ? What are my options. Other than buying a better one? Thx in advance.

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    2024/11/13
    11:39 UTC

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    Need to get in contact with boat manufacturer for University Research Project into rowing shell physics and design

    I'm a mechanical engineering major, as well as a rower, and I am currently doing an independent study with a professor into the advanced physics behind rowing shells, and we are specifically researching innovative ways to design riggers and other components of the boat for weight savings and structural integrity, as well as aerodynamics. I also have some ideas regarding new designs for seat tracks that would get rid of the issue of track bites and possibly make it so that you wouldn't have to adjust the length of your slides. As part of our research, we need a 3D model of a carbon rowing shell to begin our modeling and simulations, as well as to design many different rigger iterations around. It doesn't really matter if it is an older model, but we need a model to start out with as measuring and creating a 3D model that is an exact copy of one of my teams boats will take a very long time and really eat into how much research we can get done. I've reached out to a few companies asking if they'd be willing to share a model with me, but it seems my messages have disappeared in the void. My hope was that someone on the subreddit would either work for a boat company, or know someone they could get me in contact with that would be able to help me. I'm more than willing to sign an NDA when it comes to the models and to share my results and findings.

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    2024/11/13
    16:47 UTC

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    How the F do you row 120km daily?

    35 Comments
    2024/11/13
    16:06 UTC

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    Please share your sweaty erg handle solutions?

    Annoyingly have to stop multiple times to wipe the damn thing. Trying to do long distance tests and cant afford to lose momentum. What do you all do? Update: I found these on the UK amazon store https://amzn.eu/d/4JAFC6w.

    38 Comments
    2024/11/13
    15:36 UTC

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    Three weeks out from 2k test. How should I train?

    Hi. Complete beginner here. I am currently three weeks out from a 2k test. I have been erging twice a week for the past three/four weeks. One session is a Zone 2/low intensity 2 x 20 min. The other is a Zone 4/high intensity either 4 x 4 min, 3 x 6 min or 4 x 6 min. I am looking to add two more sessions a week to be in the best shape possible for my test. What should they look like? Thanks.

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    2024/11/13
    10:50 UTC

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    Selling Unis IG

    Does anyone has experience with the selling unis 2024 page on Instagram?

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    2024/11/13
    07:48 UTC

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    Which Pete’s Plan after first million meters?

    I bought a Concept2 in February and completed my first 1 million meters last week (the day before my 42nd birthday). I've mostly been rowing steady state, 8 or 10k at a time without rests, and sprinting the final 1k. Five days per week has been easy to manage (aside from finding the time.) But I'm not especially fast, nor has that been my focus. (I'm the lightest I've been in years, though.)

    I'm trying to stay motivated for the next million meters and discovered Pete's Plan(s). Between the standard and beginner plans, what's recommended if I want to get stronger/faster without burning out? My job is already mentally demanding, so sustainability is most important.

    I'm leaning toward the beginner plan, but want opinions on if this is just for absolute beginners, and whether people who've tried it were able to stay motivated, stick with it, and get faster.

    And let me know if there are other plans you would recommend.

    7 Comments
    2024/11/12
    22:47 UTC

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    Melbourne Head Predictions?

    mainly looking at school age rowing

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    2024/11/12
    22:41 UTC

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    Video: Cal Men’s Rowing 2024 Season Lookback

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    2024/11/12
    21:37 UTC

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    38M. Not a novice to rowing but was lazy and didn’t get in gym for 2 years. Just started back again in September. This wasn’t my all out but wanted a consistent stroke. Trying to get down to 7:30. So far shaved about 30 seconds off.

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    2024/11/12
    20:22 UTC

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    2K Season Training

    So I joined my schools rowing team this year. I’m a freshman who has been lifting weights on my own for about 2 years now. I currently stand at around 5’9 with a weight of 175Lbs. 5k season just ended and 2K season is up next. I went ahead and did my first 2K today on my own. Here was my finishing time. I ended the 2K at around 7:20. Again, I have only been rowing for a half a semester. Any tips or workouts anyone recommends? How’d I do for my first 2K? Feedback is greatly appreciated!!

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    2024/11/12
    19:18 UTC

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    Need to cut off 1 min from 2k

    20M 6ft 174lbs novice

    Fastest 2k 7:36.4 @189lbs (rate cap 28 first 1500, open final 500) Most recent 2k 7:55.6 @174lbs (absolutely terrible. Worst 2k ever pulled. Need to work on pacing, staying focused, and pulling harder).

    I have around 8mo to a year to meet my goals (Sub 6:30 by next year) and I’ve been a rower for about 2 months now. I’m not sure how realistic my goals are, but if it’s possible, I’m willing to put in the work.

    I know I need to work on:

    • Getting my weight back up (lost 15lbs unintentionally in a little over a month)
    • Increasing cardio & endurance (steady state)
    • Strength training
    • Diet & recovery

    Any specifics though? Any tips that helped you all improve?

    More context: I take concerta daily to help with my adhd. Quit smoking since starting to row. Resting HR went from 80/90 on average to 50/60. I’ve made pretty good progress I feel, but I want to keep on going.

    14 Comments
    2024/11/12
    18:40 UTC

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    Speed Difference in Racing Shells vs Recreational Shells vs Coastal Rowers

    Anybody know what speed or pace differences can be expected between rowing a top end racing shell versus some of these recreational or trainer shells/boats, or a coastal rowing boats? Looking for ball park numbers, so like if someone could row a real 2:00 min/500 m pace in a racing shell what might that translate to pace in a more recreational style shell or coastal rower, all things being equal.

    17 Comments
    2024/11/12
    17:39 UTC

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    What do people do to the gym row machine to make it feel like you're dragging the chain through gravel?

    I've had this several times on different concept 2 rowers. How do people ruin them so fast?

    20 Comments
    2024/11/12
    16:40 UTC

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    Rowing clothes?

    Hello. I am new to rowing. It is currently autumn where I live, about 14 Celsius degrees outside. What should I be wearing for rowing on the water? I am scared to be cold but I also don’t want to sweat too much because of heat.

    12 Comments
    2024/11/12
    16:17 UTC

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