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I’m currently reading “Wicked” (#5) and was wondering about “Ali’s Pretty Little Lies”. I know the books takes place weeks before the incident and goes into depth of Courtney’s and Ali’s relationship. Technically it’s book 0.5 but I know that it’s the not the first to be read so I haven’t read it yet. When should I read it/ what books is it between?

Additionally, is the book from Ali’s or Courtney’s point of view? It’s advertised as Ali’s but I’ve seen people saying it’s from Courtney’s.

Genuine question

Bruh, I will never forgive Marlene for purposely villainizing Noel just so that she could push Aria and THAT man together 🤢. Noel is such a sweetheart in the books and in the show, he and Aria could have been Endgame like in the books if the writers just stopped being bored and throwing as many villainous traits at him, especially the really RANDOM reveal in season 7 that he was one of the A's, like what was that 😭 I will never get over just how ROBBED Noel Kahn was in the show 😭

What is your guys’s opinions on pretty little liars: original sin?? I just finished the main series and I’m curious if I should begin watching original sin, is it good or is it what you’d expect for a reboot of a popular show (shit)

First post !!

First time watching the show ever and I’m on season 3 and Ive been SO obsessed with Spencer’s and arias lip shades does anyone know what lip products they used for the show or any of the makeup??bb

2 questions here!

what would you do if you were in Aria position? would you tell your mom about your cheating dad or keep it a secret??

question number 2

what would you do if you were Ella? would you be mad at your daughter for not saying anything? would you understand where your daughter is coming from by not saying anything??

So since we all know who everyone hates. Who’s everyone’s favourite? This is my second time rewatching it and I still don’t know who’s my favourite😅

So, I just ended the episode where Maggie is planning to take Malcom with her to Washington so Ezra decided to go to a lawyer. The lawyer needed to establish paternity so Ezra could put his name on the birth certificate only to find out that Malcom isn’t his…

Now, where I’m going with this is Mrs. Fitzgerald. What was SHE thinking?! Why on EARTH didn’t SHE do this 7 years ago? Why didn’t she push for a paternity test as soon as she found out that Maggie was pregnant? I would want to know if the woman I’m sending thousands of dollars to, to keep quiet was actually having my grandchild…

Like, if I was her… that’s what I would have done. I wouldn’t have sent her a dime until she could prove that Ezra is the father. Now, I get that maybe it wasn’t possible at the time? But I’m pretty sure it was. I’m pretty sure they had that technology at that time. So, I feel like that was such a huge mistake. Mrs. Fitzgerald could have stopped a lot of emotional toll it took on her son.

The dollhouse was literally my favorite episodes. I wish there was an entire season dedicated to it but for this specific scene who was the best dresses? Disclaimer: they all look great

EDIT: idk why the photo isn't popping up but the scene i’m referring to is the dollhouse prom.

But I can smell a bitch from a mile away

One of my favorite Jenna lines

I like the details! Dates & times, street addresses/mailing addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses! Even if it's fake stuff! Anything from the Pretty Little Liars series, including any spin offs! Thank you!

I just remembered in the PLL book series that Ali had a devoted fan base known as ‘The Ali Cats.’ They idolize her, harass the liars, and take orders from her when it comes to her plans and schemes. I remember with season 5 thinking this was the direction they were going in with character intros like Cindy and Mindy. It’s too bad they didn’t go through with the Ali as A theory because it could’ve been everything. Seeing Alison leverage all of the secrets she knew about the girls to destroy their good grace and credibility (following Mona’s A reveal and stay at Radley), having people work under her emphasizing how manipulative and powerful she is, and reminding the audience why she struck fear in so many people before she went missing.

Especially towards the end of the series, it would’ve really hyped things up with Ali revealing The Jenna Thing to everyone (remember, in the show, it was revealed Ali told Jason it was Spencer’s idea so she could’ve spun it the same way), Spencer kissing Melissa’s boyfriend, Hanna being a shoplifter, etc. We could’ve even seen Alison blackmailing Jason with the release of the NAT videos if he didn’t do her bidding. It would slowly destroy the girl’s reputation more than before and ruin the lives of those around them. Would’ve been an amazing end to a show about a group of liars finally out of lies and having to tell nothing but the truth for once.

the suggestion that Mona is morally superior to Alison is crazy to me. Mona was literally the first villain of this show. She tried to murder every single liar except maybe Aria. She did murder Charlotte. She thought she was killing Alison but was attacking a random girl in Bethany.

Alison bullying was bad and inexcusable. Mona's bullying was just as if not worse. And yes she has a mental illness but Mona was not hamstrung by whatever mental illness the show made up. She like Alison is a bad person, but one with capacity for murder.

I’m watching s4 episode 12. A has sent the girls the child’s coffin with Mona’s doll body in it and it got me thinking, what do they do with all these “gifts” A sends them😭

I love how girly they are , when Ashley was in jail and Hanna tells Mona how the police took all their high heels. Mona responds with “ and left you with nothing but flats? how barbaric “

stuff like this is why I love girl friendships haha

Mona should be in JAIL or bare minimum locked away forever. I’m re-watching and at the end of season 3. Everything she did like hitting Hanna with a car and torturing and drugging the girls?? Trying to kill Allison the night she ‘died’ ?!?!

How did they let her out of Radley to begin with!! She just joins the girls back at school and everyone was okay with that? Where were the DOCTORS and ADULTS. I know it was for the plot but come onnn. And then she’s just free to live like normal in the later seasons in politics nonetheless after claiming the real A had been manipulating her.

okay so end of ep 14 s1 we have ella ( AriAs mom) getting a black leather jacket and gloves for number 32 as she was on jacket duty. i interpreted this as her speaking to A obviously oblivious but nonetheless as the general A attire is all black but when i went through the scenes afterwards number 32 definitely isn’t A i wont mention names as to not to spoil but !! thought this was interesting.

I'm still confused as to exactly what happened the night maya died. We saw that someone grabbed her outside the Kahn cabin but how did she end up in Emily's yard? Was it lyndon James who grabbed her? Or did he follow her to Emily's house? It was said she died in her backyard so did he drag her all the way to her house or exactly what was the timeline after she left the bus station. Did she go to the Kahn cabin after the bus station?

Genetically speaking, I mean. Spencer’s mother is Alison’s aunt, and Spencer’s dad is Jason’s father as well, which leaves Ali and Spencer cousins…but then there’s the thing of how much identical twins share DNA, and since both were born from identical twins, they’re like half-sister cousins? Just an interesting thought, I’m not like confused or anything just curious how other people see it

That’s all.

Recommendations???

Throughout the show there were a lot of times when I yelled at my screen “now why would you keep that a secret and lie? Do you want to be blackmailed forever?” And to be honest that was 80% of the time.

But there were other moments where I felt one of the girls’ lies were understandable given their situation and, if I were in their shoes, I probably would’ve done the same. Here’s some of my list:

1. Lying to the cops about seeing Alison killing Mona.

The list of reasons for why the girls believed Alison was the killer was huge. They know she lied to them constantly about what she was doing when she faked her death, they know she bullied Mona terribly for years, they know Mona was personally worried she was being watched and she was genuinely scared of Alison. The most damning proof was the video of a blonde similar height and build as Ali attacking Mona in her own house. Not to mention Alison didn’t have an alibi for where she was when Mona was killed and it was proven Jason and Ken lied when they said she was at home with them. They also knew Alison hired Noel to pretend to be her kidnapper and break into Ashley’s house while she was there and that Alison hired a man she told the girls was her abuser to turn himself into the police as her fake kidnapper.

On the flip side, they were wrong lmao but considering the circumstances, I probably would’ve done the same. They had all this evidence piling up against Alison and were scared she’d go after them next because everything pointed to her being A.

2. Hanna lying to the girls and hiding Alison’s journal in which she’s told a story about Hanna kissing Mike.

This was a hard watch because it was just so cruel. Every flashback scene of Hanna before her weight loss is just painful to see, from the girls being so insensitive towards her and never speaking up for her even in the present to the show framing overweight Hanna as some pathetic loser for the crime of not being skinny. If I were Hanna, I wouldn’t want the girls to know about a time when I was crying and got a pity kiss from one of their siblings either, knowing how little sympathy the liars had for her in general.

3. Spencer keeping almost anything from her parents lmao

Considering her parents had a solid history of preferential treatment to her sister and of victim-blaming their teenage daughter for being groomed by the 18372 grown men they let into their home, if I were Spencer I wouldn’t tell those losers anything either. Best case scenario they wouldn’t care, worst case scenario they would punish Spencer for being stalked lmao