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A place for the discussion of musical history, from Enheduanna to Led Zeppelin, feel free to discuss any important aspects of musical history!

A place for the discussion of music history, the history of theory, and anything else music history related! Feel free to post articles, ask questions, or raise discussions!

Also be sure to check out /r/BattlePaintings for historical art!

Check out /r/inceptions to see how a lot of things got started, including some music!

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That particular alt-rock infused hop hip made by white dudes with hangovers in the mid 90s. I call it Dude Hop

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2024/07/12
20:53 UTC

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Are there other musicians like Bradley Nowell who never knew they were successful?

It seems like a unique occurrence because of the absolutely terrible timing of his death.

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2024/07/10
05:32 UTC

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Like seriously why is nobody talking about it?!?

I wrote a paper about it for entry into my college's honors program (and got in!) But seriously, an organ in Germany had been playing one piece since 2001 and won't stop till 2640, and you expect me to not talk about it?

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2024/07/09
03:11 UTC

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Did European music use drums before the colonial era?

A friend recently claimed to me that prior to contact with African slaves in North America, European folk music (and especially both Gaelic and British music) did not employ drumming. Most particularly, my friend believs that the bodhran was not used in Irish folk music until the 20th century. This seems very unlikely to me, but when I google it I'm not getting much information either way, because Google sucks now.

Please tell me, did Europeans - and particularly Western Europeans - somehow manage not to use drums in their recreational music prior to the 1700s or so? I just can't imagine an entire continent didn't use an instrument every toddler invents on their own.

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2024/07/03
14:43 UTC

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First silly longform video of the Aztec death whistle.

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2024/07/01
02:31 UTC

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History of aztec death whistle, silly long form video

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2024/07/01
02:30 UTC

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High school music history curriculum

I'm teaching a music history class for 9-12th graders this next semester, and I'd like to find curriculum that doesn't just focus on western music, but many cultures and traditions. I am in america and will be given a stipend. Anyone know any curriculum that focuses on the decolonization of the music classroom?

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2024/06/29
18:47 UTC

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US Marines Train to Kill to the Sweet Folk Music of Liz Cotten

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2024/06/26
01:35 UTC

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Why Is the key of A minor and not Major?

Hi friends,

TLDR: Why is the key of C considered the all natural Major key and not A. For example, as in why is A Major not ABCDEFG and C Major being CD#E#FGA#B#?

Ok friends I went on a major rabbit hole and I could go down further but decided to just ask Reddit.

I understand that Guido of Arezzo was the first one to create the grand staff.

I understand that he haphazardly placed A as the bottom space of the Bass designating the middle note between staves as C.

I dove into Gregorian Hexachords to figure out if at anytime when they sang in the "key of A" whatever that was at the time, was there a semitone between re and mi, or mi and fa.

did they typically sing in minor or major? Listening to recordings of Ut Queant Laxis, I would assume major.

So then I tried to find my answer with the advent of the keyboard and this is where I just quit my search.

At some point, keyboards were all "white keys". Did they not distinguish between whole tones and semitones?

Was deciding if C was the all natural major decided at that time when they started putting in Semitone keys or earlier during the chant days and what was the reason?

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2024/06/24
20:06 UTC

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A Trip Through The 20th Century Spotify Playlist (1900-1999)

A Trip Through The 20th Century (1900-1999) (4 Part Playlist)

This is a project I worked on for 2 months, however the songs chosen are personal highlights over several years of my music listening life. The playlist is divided in 4 parts, covering 25 years of history, roughly 3-4 songs per year (5 for some exceptions). I hope this can be a good experience for a case study and just for discovering more music that maybe you haven't heard yet. Some songs are extremely famous and important others are more niche and obscure. I wanted the mix to be balanced in that regard. And overall take you through a trip in the 20th century. Here's the links to the 4 parts of my list.

Part I: The Grand Ol' Rag (1900-1924) uses a mix of modern recordings and original recordings since recording technology was just emerging at the time, all songs were hits at the time.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1lJEOshMw0dsJDyzN8S5Mp?si=k-AkiurUQ6OgIZBCol5bzQ&pi=u-8T776U3oQNuN

Part II: The Jazz Age (1925-1949) all original recordings, mixing mostly jazz songs but also combined with some blues, folk, RnB and Rock n roll recordings that pioneered those genres.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0bHLULZDnw7eEsnCgGwaL0?si=J3nY1itSQRCARgFNkWdzrg

Part III: Rock 'N Roll (1950-1974) all original recordings, mixing both popular and more niche and obscure songs that were very genre bending at the time.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0N2HjaG0E8RQ9xCKKV9MIZ?si=PPeC_J6GTN-Vlog71Pp04Q

Part IV: Digital Airwaves (1975-1999) All original recordings, mixing both hit songs as well as some more niche bands that over the years gained cult status.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/66IJM0MK0G5KNricnscZOG?si=eTAy6D4TRES5v70fd1Zy9Q

Thank you all for taking the time to read this post and keep on listening!

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2024/06/19
16:21 UTC

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Why did it take so long for singer songwriter music to be invented?

Don't know if this is the right sub for this, but I was listening to AM "The Story of Classical" and had a thought.

Classical music is very complex and although it varied over different periods, it did not sound as different to each other to a casual listener such as myself as modern music genres.

It seems to me, that blues, aka a guy singing lyrics over a guitar, is the foundation for modern pop music so I wonder why with all the complexities classical music had, why did it basically take centuries of western music culture to get to a point where we can have simple singer songwriter style music like blues?

Was opera music the only popular music with lyrics of those times 1500s-late 1800s or did other "singer songwriter style" music exist as we know it, but it just wasnt written down or preserved?

EDIT: opera, not orchestral

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2024/06/18
01:14 UTC

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trying to find recordings/videos of Florence Price

Google and the internet archive haven't been any help. I've been trying to find recordings of Florence Price, herself. Recordings of her talking, performing, just literally anything. She was alive during the era in which those things were fairly common, it'd stand to reason there'd be AT LEAST one recording of her performing. At least some sort of record that those things exist. Everything is coming up dry. Any idea where I might find those things?

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2024/06/10
15:40 UTC

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The Zombies Fake Band controversy of 1969

The Zombies' hit "Time of the Season" hit it big in the US (#3 on the Billboard) 2 years AFTER the band had broken up. So a promoter in Michigan put together a couple fake zombies bands to pretend they were the ones who released the album and toured as "The Zombies" in the US in 1969. One of those bands was made up of Frank Beard and Dusty Hill, who would team up with Billy Gibbons later that year to form ZZ Top. It's a crazy story. I have a podcast that delved into the story this week.

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2024/06/07
15:34 UTC

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1921:Paul Whiteman & his Orchestra - Bright Eyes

This week's #VintageVibes takes us back to 1921 with "Bright Eyes"! This classic song was written by M.K. Jerome, a prolific songwriter of the era, and Otto Motzan, with the performance made by the legendary Paul Whiteman and His Orchestra. Whiteman's band was known for its innovative sound, blending jazz with orchestral elements, and helped popularize the genre in the 1920s. This recording is Side A of Black Label Victor record 18735. "Bright Eyes" is a charming example of early 20th-century popular music. Stay tuned for the clip itself to experience this piece of musical history! What other musical eras would you love to hear about? Follow on Tik Tok to see the full recording! https:// www.tiktok.com/@jona_shop_?_t=8muKsJXbNeB&_r=1 Records like this one available in our shop: https://www.ebay.com/usr/jonashop

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2024/06/04
18:29 UTC

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Pure 1960/70s

Example: Yesterday's Papers. It's all about the 60/70s without anything after. I never liked channels of someone telling me what I already know. This channel - https://www.youtube.com/@YesterdaysPapers - also names the top 20 songs/albums according to a source of their choosing, but I like that there's nothing retrospective. A great way to discover music you never heard before, either, and to hear great musicians give their honest opinions through "Blind Date"

Thanks!

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2024/06/01
20:21 UTC

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Can anybody find History behind " Million Dollar Smile" Performed by Dinah Washington and Lionel Hampton?

Here's the song

https://youtu.be/jOhtwf2DbDM?si=EvGXXG2Oj82Yrf_y

I can't find anything about this song, other than it was recorded in the Jubilee session. I am looking for history on the composer

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2024/06/01
02:05 UTC

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What is the origin of the "Rocky Mountain High" song people sing in elementary school, not the John Denver Song

What is the origin of the "Rocky Mountain High" song people sing in elementary school, not the John Denver Song

Whenever I've looked into this there doesn't seem to be an answer, I would've thought it would've either been an old children/folk song from the 1800s or a relatively new one from the 1900s, but I can never find any information on it online, it's all about the John Denver song which has different lyrics recently, I think I used to be able to find a little bit more longer ago. I remember more stuff but don't have a lot of time right now. But anyway to summarize it quickly I usually don't find much or what I want about its origins and history and usually just videos of people singing it. Lyrics:

"Rocky mountain, rocky mountain, rocky mountain high.

When you’re on that rocky mountain, hang your head and cry.

Do, do, do, do, do remember me. Do, do, do, do, do remember me.

Sunny valley, sunny valley, sunny valley low.

When you’re in that sunny valley, sing it soft and slow.

Do, do, do, do, do remember me. Do, do, do, do, do remember me.

Stormy ocean, stormy ocean, stormy ocean wide.

When you’re on that stormy ocean there’s no place to hide.

Do, do, do, do, do remember me. Do, do, do, do, do remember me."

Thank you all very much! Also if you know any other good subreddits that would be good or better to ask this question, thanks a bunch.

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2024/05/31
18:54 UTC

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Need help for a music related history project about the Cold War

Need help for a music related Cold War project

Hey so for my final in history, I was assigned to select 10 songs about the Cold War that somewhat documents the history of the Cold War and that mentions key things about our unit. The things we discussed this unit where the following:

  1. Post world war 2 issues
  2. Containment in Europe
  3. Mao Zadong and the little red book
  4. The Korean War
  5. The Vietnam war
  6. The Guatemalan Coup
  7. The Cuban missile crisis
  8. Containment in the Middle East

I have a few ideas but I know people know more about the historical significance of the music in the Cold War or about the Cold War more than I do so I would like your help

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2024/05/28
23:39 UTC

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Recent music history

I love music history, reading books about it, listening to song in chronological order, exploring musicmap.info, listening to podcasts, et cetera.

One issue I hope y'all can help me with: the histories all stop about 20-30 years ago. Does anyone know good sources (books, websites?) on more recent music history?

For instance:

  • history of electronic music including 2010s EDM,

  • history of punk rock including a large chapter on the emo scene of the late 2000s and maybe even the early 2020s pop punk hype,

  • history of hip hop which features Kendrick Lamar about as much as 2Pac or Eminem.

  • history of rock that doesn't end with Nirvana and Oasis but also features Radiohead, Arctic Monkeys, Muse, and all the metal subscenes of the 21st century

  • a history of pop music that takes Taylor Swift as serious as Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley (though the Beatles still reign supreme) 😁

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2024/05/17
09:54 UTC

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How Music Became a Weapon in ww2

Hey everyone! I recently did a deep dive on how music was used during ww2. I researched the history of how the Nazis' tied music into their claimed proof of the Aryan race which they used to justify the holocaust. They used music as a means of torture in many ways to control everyone they occupied. The Allies also weaponized music with intelligence agencies in different ways as a form of anti propaganda that was very effective against the third reich.

I just made a video showing how it all played out. Feel free share any thoughts and feedback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrGrKGSvZ-I

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2024/05/16
18:40 UTC

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Making The Band 2 History (Diddy)

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2024/05/15
03:43 UTC

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