/r/HistoricalWhatIf
For your historical what if needs!
Have you ever had a question about what would have happened if history had gone a different way? Ever wonder if a historical event had gone differently? Here's the place to ask!
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I'm no biker but I feel like that having motorcycles would have played into their style of warfare, how would their invasions have played out with motorcycles and the fuel to run them?
Would the country still be a monarchy? Would there be an afgan civil war? What would modern Middle Eastern politics be like?
The Ming Dynasty, around 1370, had requested that Japan submit to the Ming Dynasty as a tributary state, or at the very least stop Japanese pirates from raiding the coasts. Japan responded by basically telling the Ming to screw off and deal with it themselves. Ming responded by saying that the ''subjugation forces would be ready'' if Japan doesn't comply. Japan didn't respond and Ming never followed up on it's threats. While the Ming didn't seem to seriously consider invading Japan and simply tried to intimidate them, what if this wasn't the case? Say Japanese pirates were even stronger than in our timeline and the Japanese sent much more insulting response letters to the Ming, so much so that they decided that an invasion would be necessary.
Suppose in this timeline their ideology is to create a Hindu state in the Middle East, with some support from India and the United States.
Disclaimer: For the record, I'm not pro or anti Saudi, but ever since I discovered a scenario in the For All Mankind timeline where Saudi Arabia falls into disarray it got me wondering.
So if Saudi Arabia ever did fall into Civil War, in the 90s or 2000s, who would come out on top? Would Al Sauds still rule Saudi Arabia in the end? Or would someone else take power in Saudi Arabia like the Hashemites or the Ulama? Or would Saudi Arabia transform into a republic instead?
And given the significance of Medina and Mecca to Muslims around the world, how would this affect the Islamic World?
Let's say that in this timeline Alexander Lukashenko prefers Yevgeny Prigozhin over Vladimir Putin for some reason and decides to side with Yevgeny Prigozhin during the start of the Wagner Group Rebellion. Although his Advisors try to presuade him from staying neutral, they're overruled by Alexander Lukashenko since he controls Belarus and not them. All Russian Servicemen not connected to the Wagner Group are instantly arrested, and the Belarusian Military heads towards Russian territory in coordination with the Wagner Group. What would come of this?
Let’s say Wilhelm II. is born with a healthy arm and grows up to be a massive Anglophile and takes a Bismarkian approach to foreign policy. So doesn’t antagonise Britain with Naval arms race and prevents World War I.
How would women’s rights be different without war pushing women into the workforce?
PoD: Austria-hungary doesn't annex Bosnia, meaning Ferdinand doesn't go there and get killed.
When Henry V died, he controlled a large chunk of modern day France. For many reasons those lands were lost by Henry VI. If Henry V hadn’t died so young, would England have been able to keep their gains in France?
Would world history have turned out any differently if those missiles were better disguised? Or would everything have been about the same?
Here is scenario i had written for 1940-1941 ww2 i wonder what would happend if that happend. So everything goes the same unitl fall france. Than italy and Germany launch operation to capture Malta which was little defended at that time, This operation turns out sucesfull and now Med Sea is efectivly cutted since axis not only will have easier time supplying Libya but can bomb from there british ships passing nearby. Than Luftwaffe with some armies are send to north africa to achive victory there.(no battle of britain if anyone had not noiced yet). Axis armies which are getting supply from Luftwaffe and Malta corridor are marching through egypt capturing it by october 1940. Than Continue offensive into middle east helping iraq coup. and kicking allies out of entire middle east. While royal navy facing with loss of suez and Malta retreat from Eastern med sea along with most of west since they have only gibraltar left which means med sea had becomed axis lake. It is currently Febuary 1941.
Will Francoist Spain and Fascist Italy fight the newfound Protestant threat, or will they ally with it and form one unified far-right axis?
If there is a split between Fascist Catholic and Fascist Protestant countries much like the Sino-Soviet split, Will there be a 3-way war?
With pressure from Zionist parties in the British Empire, will the Holocaust never happen? Will a soverign State of Israel, or atleast a British Mandate Israel form?
Does Japan still get involved with the Anglo-German axis?
I would imagine the powers would be : The US, resistance movements in France, the USSR, Israel? Ireland, the numerous Baltic states, Ethiopia, Australia, Brazil, India, China, Indonesia, numerous African independence movements throughout Africa fighting two independent wars against
The British Empire, Third Reich, Rhodesia, Japan? the pro-British colonial governments, a partitioned and controlled Western and most of central Europe and Finland
And Fascist Italy, Portugal, and Spain
Who wins this war? Who are the powers? And how much of Africa and South Asia becomes independent?
Does Iran or the Arab states get involves? On which side?
What happen to People’s Republic of China if Mao Zedong only served as Chairman/General Secretary of China for two terms (October 1st 1949 to October 1st 1959) and was succeeded by Premier Zhou Enlai in the first place?
It was a big factor in the Vietnam War. But what if it was never created by the militaries?
Suppose that the Dutch fleet had attacked and occupied southern China, how useful would this territory be to the Netherlands?
Let's say they need the resources and the Chinese military is weak at the time, so they think it's worth taking over.
Franklin Roosevelt loses the popular vote. Would this affect America how would this affect the world? How would this affect the Democrat party?
So supposedly one of Xerxes Naval Commanders Artemisia advised him to adopt a fabian strategy, keeping the Greeks in Salamis bottled up until their supplies ran out, forcing them to sue for peace. If had listened to her instead of sending his forces to Salamis and assuming her strategy, how would they deal with Sparta? And how would the Greco-Persian Wars turned out differently?
Who would be the republican nominee ? What would the election results look like ? How would his supporters react ? How would the people who dislike him react ? How would the media react ? What would be the future of our country, world and society be like ?
On 9/11, President George W. Bush and other officials, on the Air Force One plane or not, were worried about AFO being a target by a midair collision between 2 planes. What if this was true, and the terrorists were successful?
Japan makes a nuclear program similar to The Manhattan Project After multiple tests the first nuclear bomb is created by the Japanese, then a second nuclear bomb and they make the aircraft to drop these bombs
Germany surrenders quicker than OTL in, the USSR turns towards Asia, and Japan surrenders before the Nuclear bomb could be dropped, avoiding the public shock of the bomb that happened IRL, would Truman approve McArthur's plan to nuke the Chinese-North Korea border? are small scale nuclear bombs still used in conflict after the creation of ICBMs? how does this impact the Vietnam war? is the Pentomic army more successful? Is there a Korean version of Godzilla?
In the ending scenes where Dorothy wakes up from her dream, Toto is not seen. It goes as similarly as possible up to the point Dorothy says "there's no place like home."
Then, in a final piece of dialogue, Auntie Em says: "Oh, I'm sorry Dorothy but Miss Gulch came back for Toto before the storm, and took him when we found you, and, well, being a Christian woman I just couldn't deny her shelter from a storm."
And then the screen cuts to text that says: "Remember, it was her SISTER who got crushed by the house. Dorothy was DREAMING by the time she saw Miss Gulch caught up in the storm. What did you expect?"
And then the credits roll.
What would have happened in the immediate aftermath? And what historical and cultural changes would that lead to?
Yeah, we're assuming all these actors and crew members just went along with it. They all thought it would be hilarious. Maybe an electrician really DID "hang himself" on set when everyone else found out he was planning to spill the beans. These people, in particular and completely independent of the wider public, all happen to go with it.
For the purposes of discussion, we'll assume that the Ukrainians are able to either get the "activation codes" or find an equivalent workaround.
Have at it.
In our timeline, Russia was one of the Major Countries that was against the Iraq War alongside France and Germany, but what if it were different? Back when Vladimir Putin became the Russian President during the 2000s, he was quite supportive of the United States and the West until they decided to sanction Russia after the Annexation of Crimea in 2014. Let's say that Russia officially joins the US-led Coalition in the Invasion of Iraq under the orders of Vladimir Putin in an attempt to make the United States respect Russia. What would come of this?